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volthrunthru#658770 writes:

Saw this written:
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Martin screwed up the coaching in last 3 min and in OT.

Golden once more scores but gives more than half his point production back with T/O's.

Hall is still big and clumsy.
McBee is still not the sharpshooter that got him the scholarship.
Richardson is no offensive threat.

Really this is a horrible team. Not bad: Horrible.

We need to be in the OVC or something with this bunch.

They played over their heads in LOSING to KY, and the Knoxville media and doofus UT fans were ready to talk about the NCAA.

And amazingly Martin was there encouraging that kind of phooey.

Martin got out coached the last part of the game---and that has happened in several other games.

He is like a Black Dooley, but with much smaller severance pay.Dooley is always being outcoached in-game, tool

And I bet Martin is VERY glad for Doodley's being such a weak head coach, so that Doodley has to give HUGE severance and overpayments to anybody he brings in, because Doodley is not long for Knoxville, so any coach who comes wants 3-5X what the job is worth, just to absorb the risk.

So Doodley's being so weak and coasting so much additional money with his assistant coaching salaries...

means the Athletic Department cannot afford to send Martin home for a couple of years after Doodley is fired.

And...once again...Mike Hamilton leaves manure all over the trail he laid down as he left.

Thanks...

Uh...just WHO is minding the store in Knoxville????

Oh...you mean the guy from Alabama? The guy from Alabama who works for the guy from Florida?

Got It!....

Thanks for firing Phillip Fulmer, Trustees.
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Clueless Coachws; Awful Athletes; Frustrated Fans; Absoslutely Asinine Athletic Directors; P'-poor President; Crappy Chancellor(s); Troubling Trustees.

Pretty soon it will be a generation since Dickey retired and UT Athetics went to hell in a handbasket. If you see Hamilton, tell him to tell his agent---and the agent of all these coaches---the same guy, by the way---

Go Vols. Well done...

oldster writes:

in response to JimmyJoe:

Come on man golden didn't play good... He is the point guard and we scored how many in the first half? He kept us from having about a 15 point lead because he can't move the ball around and get decent looks...

I will agree that Golden did not play "good." Neither did he play well in the second half, especially. I would also point out that even though I am a 64 year old arthritic with an artificial hip and shoulder, I could beat McBee off the dribble to the baseline. Coach should have started substituting defense/offense with Richardson and McBee long before he did.

BR_549 writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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I have not said one thing negative about the team's coaching tonight you idiot. I actually think they are improving, from the Austin Peay game performance.

tapeworm writes:

I continue to be amazed that UT doesn't have anyone, perhaps other than Golden, who can shoot. When I played college basketball, the price of admission was the ability to shoot. If you couldn't shoot, you didn't make the team or play. Guys who got scholarships were expected to be able to shoot. Nowdays, shooting is considered to be a specialty. Kids are recruited because they're "athletes."

Tennessee needs "shooters." Period. Why don't we have any?

oldster writes:

in response to troken:

I am puzzled why SOOOOOO many people hate/blame Tatum/Mcbee/Golden??? Wake up people, they are playing basketball and some just aren't that good, BUT the coach is the one playing them, so direct your attention toward the millionaire and not the spaghetti eatin' player!!!

I'm with you. He should be playing Chris Paul and DeWayne Wade. Oh, wait! They are not on this team. You mean he has to play someone actually on the roster - most of whom he inherited? Well, maybe now I understand why the millionaire plays these three guys, even though he would probably rather play someone, almost anyone, else.

Couchdummy writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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Where are you man! Even Sneedville and Surgoinsville get ESPN3???

govols1981 writes:

well i drove down to the game,once again disappointed again.im sorry,but these moral victories will just not cut it.they had this game in the bag just they cant close.it's the truth.does anybody remember the movie "we are marshall''does anybody recall what coach red tolley said to the team before they died on the plane crash:he said that people remember you for one thing AND IT AINT HOW WE PLAYED THE GAME,WINNING IS EVERYTHING!!!!! so go ahead and say what u want,that im not a real vol fan if u want if it makes you feel better..i will always be vol fan just upset after the loss,we have plenty of games left and we always got next year..

oldster writes:

in response to tapeworm:

I continue to be amazed that UT doesn't have anyone, perhaps other than Golden, who can shoot. When I played college basketball, the price of admission was the ability to shoot. If you couldn't shoot, you didn't make the team or play. Guys who got scholarships were expected to be able to shoot. Nowdays, shooting is considered to be a specialty. Kids are recruited because they're "athletes."

Tennessee needs "shooters." Period. Why don't we have any?

While one can improve one's shooting, it is bascially a talen with which one is born. Defense, on the other hand, is 90% want to. I can make a shooter who wants to play defense, a good defender (might have to use zone, but still ...). I have seen a lot of great athletes neither I, nor anyone else, could make into great shooters.

One_in_West_Knox writes:

One thing CAN be said...
The Vols have won MORE games and lost LESS games than the WONDER Wall's Wizards!!

underthehill writes:

in response to kiffinsux:

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He made the 2 free throws.

Theo writes:

in response to TNORANGEDOGDAD:

Tatum dribbles off his knee at one end ,then plays no defense on the other end. Pitiful for 5th yr. Sr.

The defender on Tatum reached around and slapped the ball out of Tatum's hands and on to his knee.
But I guess the actual play didn't fit in with your analysis.

Theo writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

Boy I can't wait for those coveted two star recruits to come in next year and make us better. The Cuonzo-bot will casually explain this embarassing loss away and his minions will talk about the bang up job he's doing. Next year, with Stokes more mature, we might win a couple of more games, but then he's gone, and he'll be replaced with more A-Sun All Stars, and Martin will be gone after his third year. His coaching decisions during overtime demonstrate he is clearly in over his head.

You can't stand it can you. BTW, happy MLK day!

oldster writes:

in response to lakindofguy:

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This team cannot score that many points in two games.

Theo writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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Well said.

Theo writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Saw this written:
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Martin screwed up the coaching in last 3 min and in OT.

Golden once more scores but gives more than half his point production back with T/O's.

Hall is still big and clumsy.
McBee is still not the sharpshooter that got him the scholarship.
Richardson is no offensive threat.

Really this is a horrible team. Not bad: Horrible.

We need to be in the OVC or something with this bunch.

They played over their heads in LOSING to KY, and the Knoxville media and doofus UT fans were ready to talk about the NCAA.

And amazingly Martin was there encouraging that kind of phooey.

Martin got out coached the last part of the game---and that has happened in several other games.

He is like a Black Dooley, but with much smaller severance pay.Dooley is always being outcoached in-game, tool

And I bet Martin is VERY glad for Doodley's being such a weak head coach, so that Doodley has to give HUGE severance and overpayments to anybody he brings in, because Doodley is not long for Knoxville, so any coach who comes wants 3-5X what the job is worth, just to absorb the risk.

So Doodley's being so weak and coasting so much additional money with his assistant coaching salaries...

means the Athletic Department cannot afford to send Martin home for a couple of years after Doodley is fired.

And...once again...Mike Hamilton leaves manure all over the trail he laid down as he left.

Thanks...

Uh...just WHO is minding the store in Knoxville????

Oh...you mean the guy from Alabama? The guy from Alabama who works for the guy from Florida?

Got It!....

Thanks for firing Phillip Fulmer, Trustees.
========================================
Clueless Coachws; Awful Athletes; Frustrated Fans; Absoslutely Asinine Athletic Directors; P'-poor President; Crappy Chancellor(s); Troubling Trustees.

Pretty soon it will be a generation since Dickey retired and UT Athetics went to hell in a handbasket. If you see Hamilton, tell him to tell his agent---and the agent of all these coaches---the same guy, by the way---

Go Vols. Well done...

Waste of oxygen and reading time.

flatrock writes:

Not one Vol has a clue on how to make a post-entry pass...May be worst passing Vol team in 50 years!

Ttown writes:

So was this coachs name picked out of a hat cause this is going to get bad and quick

drum56 writes:

fire them all! dooley & martin are turrible! can we at least change coaches every 2 years until we get a coach that knows what they are doing!!! MY GOD!!!

samvol writes:

no excuse for this loss

maxvolfan#217855 writes:

Stokes bring some more help from Memphis Please!!

FanNotSheep writes:

Well, Hamilton said he hired Martin based on a close loss to UT in Pearl's last season. So maybe that's what he excels at: close losses. They do seem to be piling up.

Looking at the remaining schedule it is hard to see UT making even the NIT but maybe the team that beat Florida is hiding in there waiting to make some noise. Sure hope so.

But the last time the Vols were this hard to watch was under Kevin O'Neill. It's going to be hard to sell tickets if this keeps up.

VOL75ga writes:

I never played the game but there were many times the ball was lost where there didn't seem to be a Ga. player touch it. I think the Vols should win a couple of more games but I no longer feel any excitement when watching a game.

TheFuj writes:

Terrible game to watch. GA not very good, but guess what, TN not very good as well. Thought after FL win and Miss St./Ky decent games we were putting it together. I guess not.
20 TURNOVERS. I would say half unforced. Just not smart basketball.
Tatum is just horrible. I think he scored 6 points, but had about 3-4 turnovers and for a Sr just does not make plays.
Golden just cannot do it at the end of the half and game. How many games now has he missed the last shot or lost ball at the end of the half/game. He does score getting us there most of the time, but find another end of game guy.
50% from the free throw line!!
So much for what Martin said about defense and hustle. That is exactly how we lost in OT.
2-15 3 pt shots. My 11 yr old son said--why do we keep shooting them if we cannot hit them?
Last point-Richardson,Woolridge,Mcrae,McBrick combined for 4 POINTS!!!

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

in response to born2ride:

Martin cost us the game by fouling at the end of OT instead of playing defense and getting the last shot. We were only down by one. Conzo's inexperienced showed again. He could get away with these types of mistakes in the MVC but not in the SEC.

It was a good effort but another disappointing loss. Some people say they see improvement but the Vols are at the bottom of the SEC and 1-4 in our last 5 games. The only road game we may win this year is at South Carolina. We will not even make the NIT.

Lets hope we can pull another shocker and beat UCONN.

Go Big Orange!

Sounds like a Grand Ole Opry act instead of the story of a major college basketball team:

Conzo & the Tennessee Turnovers.

SummittsCourt writes:

This is a bad loss, really bad.

No excuse for losing this game. How do you play so well against the top teams and then continue to lose to bad teams or mid majors?

At this point, I can't even see the NIT for this team.

One_in_West_Knox writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Saw this written:
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Martin screwed up the coaching in last 3 min and in OT.

Golden once more scores but gives more than half his point production back with T/O's.

Hall is still big and clumsy.
McBee is still not the sharpshooter that got him the scholarship.
Richardson is no offensive threat.

Really this is a horrible team. Not bad: Horrible.

We need to be in the OVC or something with this bunch.

They played over their heads in LOSING to KY, and the Knoxville media and doofus UT fans were ready to talk about the NCAA.

And amazingly Martin was there encouraging that kind of phooey.

Martin got out coached the last part of the game---and that has happened in several other games.

He is like a Black Dooley, but with much smaller severance pay.Dooley is always being outcoached in-game, tool

And I bet Martin is VERY glad for Doodley's being such a weak head coach, so that Doodley has to give HUGE severance and overpayments to anybody he brings in, because Doodley is not long for Knoxville, so any coach who comes wants 3-5X what the job is worth, just to absorb the risk.

So Doodley's being so weak and coasting so much additional money with his assistant coaching salaries...

means the Athletic Department cannot afford to send Martin home for a couple of years after Doodley is fired.

And...once again...Mike Hamilton leaves manure all over the trail he laid down as he left.

Thanks...

Uh...just WHO is minding the store in Knoxville????

Oh...you mean the guy from Alabama? The guy from Alabama who works for the guy from Florida?

Got It!....

Thanks for firing Phillip Fulmer, Trustees.
========================================
Clueless Coachws; Awful Athletes; Frustrated Fans; Absoslutely Asinine Athletic Directors; P'-poor President; Crappy Chancellor(s); Troubling Trustees.

Pretty soon it will be a generation since Dickey retired and UT Athetics went to hell in a handbasket. If you see Hamilton, tell him to tell his agent---and the agent of all these coaches---the same guy, by the way---

Go Vols. Well done...

Is Dooley a White Martin??

One_in_West_Knox writes:

in response to Indian_Bill:

We would have beat Kentucky and Georiga if Kenny Hall could just make a dunk.

...if he could just make a layup (a word spelled M-I-S-S-E-D is NOT just before that last word).

StuAberdeeneFan writes:

in response to oldster:

Well, he is known for taking long shots.

I happened to turn on the TV when there was a timeout with 13 seconds left in regulation. When I saw it was tied and we have the ball, I told my daughter,"Who ever catches the inbounds pass is jacking it up." With nothing to lose (with a miss and go into OT) and everything to gain (with a hit), everyone wants to be the hero. We would have been better off being down one so we (the team) would have a sence of urgency to take a good shot. Just as they threw the ball in, my daughter yells,"Hey, it's a 1-3-1!" Even she knew to attack the elbows(corners of the free throw line). He dribbles to left elbow, draws 2 defenders, and instead of passing to the wide open guy at the other elbow, he jacks it up. In disgust, I turned the TV off. I find this morning we lost. No dag gum discipline. Stu wouldn't put up with that phooey.

Tennfan4075 writes:

Good defense is often confused with poor offensive play by your opponent.

Tennfan4075 writes:

Good defense is often confused with poor offense by your opponent. I'm sure the Dogs are raving about their good defense after last nights game, but I only saw two very poor basketball teams.

JayTee writes:

They look like a game of disorganized grab ***.

Golden is selfish and wants to be the man instead of playing team ball. It's time to sit him and let someone else play the PG position.

If your losing anyway does it really matter who as long as they know what TEAM means? A good time to get a freshman PG some experience for next year.

BigHornBuckShot writes:

Hey the new kid will get to sit during tournament time and watch other teams play. He could have done that and played for Kentucky or Memphis next year. But, wait, he will get to play in a tournament next year, the NIT, Maybe. And then on to the NFL as an offensive lineman.

taylorsvolfan writes:

Do not give Golden the ball with the game on the line. Plain and simple.

westknoxrepub writes:

in response to oldster:

This is the kind of basketball you get with a coach that stresses defense to an extreme. Remember Kevin O'Neal? Even when and if the team wins, the games are ugly and boring. Ever watch Wisconsin play? If Martin can continue getting great talent in here (which I doubt considering great talent does not often want to play great defense), we will start seeing UT win games 48-46. These type of wins will come against UK type teams (Yea), but also against those like USC this year. When this happens, the fans will be screaming for entertainment, not just wins. Just watch.

Continue to get great talent? If by that you means continue to get guys Kentucky wants because they become eligible mid-year but come here because Cal doesn't have a scholarship then sure. . .if you mean talent like Washpun, Richardson, Reese, then no we're not going to win games with them.

the58vol writes:

Barkley just called....... Vols are tuurrible, just tuurrrible down the stretch..... Golden not the answer at point, but sadly we have limited options. Shame to see the regression of Tatum over his career at UT, especially given the many opportunities and second chances he has received both on and off the court.

underthehill writes:

The future of TN basketball is not with Golden playing point. This season now depends on winning the SEC tournament. Sounds unreasonable at this point but with the inside game shaping up still a slim possibility..but no chance without some help at point. Not much difference in McRae and Tatum but at this point have to go with McRae and use Tatum very sparingly..if at all. Got to stop the unforced turnovers. McBee played good defense last night and keeps his head in the game. I really hated to see this team step back and unable to finish after the apparent progress in the last 3. Bottom line...must improve point guard play and learn how to finish..

shipperman#280095 writes:

I see a vast improvement next year. Unlike Dooley, Martin has a track record of being a winner. Dooley has yet to ever prove that. Martin gets his players in, I THINK we will be pleasantly surprised

westknoxrepub writes:

So, based on Theo's less than well thought out replies, and a couple of other replies, I guess we're not allowed to criticize Coach Martin because of his race. . .all he does is lose, choke, and recruit sub par talent, but we can't say anything because that makes us racist. . .brilliant.

rev1 writes:

Go Vol's and Coach Martin. I believe that things are what they are because of change's this season. I like Golden but he is a 2 guard and we need a point guard. Looking forward to next year with Landry coming in, so things will get better. Go Vol's Go

westknoxrepub writes:

in response to shipperman#280095:

I see a vast improvement next year. Unlike Dooley, Martin has a track record of being a winner. Dooley has yet to ever prove that. Martin gets his players in, I THINK we will be pleasantly surprised

Who's going to improve? Stokes, sure, he'll get bigger and better. Maymon and Hall, maybe. However the further you get down the list, to the player's Martin recruited, I just don't see them being able to compete. Washpun, Richardson, et al are, like thier coach, in over their head.

tgiles1944#654264 writes:

6'10" - 6'11" - 7'0" Any questions - Recruiting is the name of the game!

lomas98 writes:

in response to JayTee:

They look like a game of disorganized grab ***.

Golden is selfish and wants to be the man instead of playing team ball. It's time to sit him and let someone else play the PG position.

If your losing anyway does it really matter who as long as they know what TEAM means? A good time to get a freshman PG some experience for next year.

At times they look disorganized offensively, but most teams have some bad possessions. When they are running their offense and moving, they can get some pretty easy shots. They are also improving at feeding the post, which is our strength with now 3 post players.

As far as Golden, who are you going to replace him with? You just want to sit him? For someone not playing team ball, how does he lead the SEC in assists? He is not a great pg and I think has lost us 4 games in the final minute with his decision making. He can score but is just inconsistent. He is the reason I will argue how someone can think this team can make a run in the SEC tourney. Golden is too inconsistent to put together 4 good games in a row.

The freshman pg you speak pooped his pants against FL and hasn't seen the court since.

Plain and simple this game was lost on unforced turnovers and not getting back on fast breaks. Their defense was good again and I believe every game in conference play so far they have held the opposing team scoreless for a period of over 5 minutes. Not too bad.

DougSharp writes:

in response to kiffinsux:

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My point exactly Ksux!!! Terrible game all way around. You could have found a more exciting game at any number of rec leagues last night.

C.Martin allows his team to play to the level of competition rather than to their potential. This is the EXACT point I made several weeks ago. His expectation level as a coach will never produce a CONSISTENTLY good basketball team or program. There is nothing in his resume, or in anything I've seen or heard from him since coming to Knoxville to suggest otherwise. Vol fans need to lower their expectations back down to a pre-Pearl level, and move on. Unfortunately we don't have a respectable football program to provide a distraction from our basketball woes any longer.

As I said yesterday; TWO PATHETIC TEAMS played last night, and we proved to be the more pathetic of the two.

On the bright side, we kept the ball out of Kenny Hall's hands down the stretch, but for two games in a row we choose to shoot long distance rather than take a two.

brod writes:

a bad, bad, piss poor loss to a bad basketball team. where is all the optimism, we're a bubble team, right? i see so much resemblence to buzz's first year. it's hard not to think that we are heading down the same road that we were with buzz. signing one 5 star recruit does not make you a good coach. even buzz signed tyler smith, or at least committed him. you can say what you want about tyler, but he was a tennessee boy, and a damn good post player. we are 8-10, about to be 8-11. kiss the season good-bye. and did anyone notice that maymon appeared to have his head up his a** on offense a few times last night. the foul on the pick up in the front court was the dumbest foul that i have seen all year. he missed some key free throws too.

TNORANGEDOGDAD writes:

in response to Theo:

The defender on Tatum reached around and slapped the ball out of Tatum's hands and on to his knee.
But I guess the actual play didn't fit in with your analysis.

What was he doing trying to drive it where he had no opportunity for a good shot and was not looking to dish it off.

jone8191#247590 writes:

Its official. Kevin O'Neal ball is back without the cuss words and obnoxious personality. I can't wait for our next 45-40 loss.

tenndave writes:

in response to eduardo:

Ball has to go inside on that last play of regulation. No reason nor need for Golden to try to do too much. He has got to trust the people around him more and he is not doing it!

I am tired of Golden always wanting to be the hero. How many games have we seen this ending in regulation? If you let him have the ball on the last play the rest of the team might as well go on to the bench. It is not that he doesn't trust team mates, he is a glory hog without the talent. A point guard dishes out assists and runs the show, not hog the ball. When I saw him coming down the court, I knew we were doomed.

roobomb writes:

in response to slambob2#228938:

The team did play good defense. And Golden played a great game, keeping us in it single-handedly in the first half. But the difference in winning and losing isn't just a few points. It's a mental toughness that I don't see on this team. Maybe they'll turn the corner. Frankly, we've played a lot better (until tonight) than I dreamed we would.

I completely disagree about Golden. He scored some points, but he really needs to realize that he is a point guard. He had 2 assists last night, when he had two bigs underneath that rarely got the ball last night, even when they were abusing the defense when they had the ball. Maymon and Stokes are our best offensive options, but it doesn't show up in the stat sheet because our guards can't get them the ball. And Golden's drive at the end of regulation was a terrible decision. If you have bigs underneath, pass the ball in. Our passing was HORRIFIC last night.

oldster writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

Continue to get great talent? If by that you means continue to get guys Kentucky wants because they become eligible mid-year but come here because Cal doesn't have a scholarship then sure. . .if you mean talent like Washpun, Richardson, Reese, then no we're not going to win games with them.

No, I meant Stokes. You have heard of the most recent recruit, right?

DougSharp writes:

This is just an observation: Martin seems to stop his rotation of players a bit too soon in the second half. He locks in with the players he wants to play down the stretch a bit too early in my opinion. Especially considering a couple of our guys have some extra pounds to carry up and down the floor. All five of our guys were winded down the stretch and it wasn't like they were in a fast paced game. So were the Georgia players, but if you look at their size, they had a lot less weight to drag around, thus they looked faster on defense than we did. The stupid turnovers kept both teams running back and forth resembling wind sprints at Monday morning practice. Even Stokes (another heavy boy) was tired, and didn't get back on a couple transitions, which is about the only thing I can say critical of his play. If coach will rotate his players until the two minute mark, instead of stopping at four minutes I think we'll cut out the dead-tired efforts to score at the end. For those that say Martin was out coached last night (which I agree) - now that is real insult considering Georgia's coach. There was a time, neither of them could have risen any higher than assistant at either school.

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