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BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to GoVols_16:

Lane Kiffin--the gift that keeps on giving...

Yep, reminds me of Port of Call, San Juan.

spacehistorian writes:

in response to eb502us#225637:

The NCAA needs to change their punishment methods or this type of stuff will never go away.

If they went after a coaches wallet as part of a fine based on the severity of the violation, it would be a major wake-up call for coaches. Of course, each coaches contract would have to have the appropriate wording attached which shouldn't be an issue.

As it stands now, many of these coaches get off with little more than a slap on the wrist. The university should only be held additionally liable if a) they knew and it went unreported or b) condoned or assisted in escalation of a violation.

Does anyone think Kiffen really cares about what his assts. did at UT three years ago or whether UT is suffering for it? I think not.

I agree completely. The NCAA should punish the coaches & staff involved especially in cases like this when the violators have jumped ship to go to another coaching job like Kiffin & Company. The players and coaches currently at UT and for the next few years had absolutely nothing to do with Garza's violations but will suffer for it anyway. The NCAA exists in a bizarro world and one day the SEC & Big 12 may leave to form their own independent superconference. Now that would be interesting.

standfast#211788 writes:

Kiffen = The gift that keeps on giving

murrayvol writes:

in response to utdoctor69:

To all of you Kiffin/Hamilton lovers: Thanks again! Where are you all now?

The sad thing is back in '09, if you weren't on the "Lane Train"...if one dared speak the truth...well the majority of posters on here bashed you and called you names.

Mr. Kiffin's not so damn cute now is he?

Pat Haden could shed some light on the Kiffer's cuteness.

Look for Monte to "retire" after the season.

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

And Pete Carroll continues to coach his heart out in the NFL without any repercussions from misgivings at USC. Way to go NCAA.

UTGrad2012 writes:

in response to LiveToRide:

And what penalty does Garza get for his lying and violation of the rules? Isn't he coaching at TCU? It's high time the joke that is the NCAA started coming down on the cheaters themselves and stop punishing the fans and student athletes that are being punished AFTER THE FACT. You hit the cheating coaches and this will stop. As it stands, they can pretty much continue with the status quo and it's the school that gets punished. They just pick up and set up shop somewhere else like nothing happened. Why not a 3 year show cause for Garza like Pearl received?

According to the article it did say that Garza is getting a 3 year show cause

arkyvol writes:

i agree with several of the other posters. the offenders go their merry way and the vols get stuck with the tab. this has been a problem for years with the way the ncaa administers punishment, especially in b-ball. the vols are not totally innocent (after all, that genius hamilton was totally ours), but that collection of thieves in l.a. ought to have to pony up as well.

beartn#223846 writes:

Someone said they are kicking us while we are dead. We aren't dead yet. We are pining for the fjords.

samvol writes:

We just cant seem to catch a break...GBO!

gillblog writes:

in response to CRFVols:

The NCAA phooey seems so backwards. This only hurts future possible student athletes who had nothing to do with all this, not to mention the entire staff that wasn't around for this.

That's all the NCAA EVER does or ever will do. Punish the people who happened to be standing on the sidewalk when the car wreck happened in the street.
NCAA is an enormous joke as a "regulating" body, but at the same time an enormous success at making money for themselves.

Ah, if only there were some Trust-busters in Congress these days....

VolinCalif writes:

in response to sly_stone99#434111:

And Pete Carroll continues to coach his heart out in the NFL without any repercussions from misgivings at USC. Way to go NCAA.

All this punishing the coach sounds very good. But just how can the NCAA achieve that? About the only thing they can legally do is band the person from coaching in the NCAA org. So just why would Carrol care what is going on at So Cal and the NCAA when he works in the NFL? Don't know but it is my thought that they can't really punish the individual financially other that a show cause type of action.

UkJarhead writes:

The NCAA is unfair. Just like they declared Rose eligible then a year later said he wasn't. Crazy.

BigOrangeRock writes:

Looking back, firing Fulmer just seems more and more the right thing to do. Yah, right thing to do!

brokendownoldvol writes:

NCAA is a joke.Punish the coach not the team he left 3 yrs. ago.

boonevol writes:

in response to volinky:

Is there any sport at our alma mater we can be excite about? Chamique Holdsclaw; basketball in Puerto Rico; and now this news??? Knowing we are going to lose to Vandy tomorrow for only the 2nd time in my life makes for a tough weekend...

LV basketball appears to be turning things around, so we can get excited about them, and hope for CDD and the team to get their act together for an entire game tomorrow. Slam the 'Dores! GBO!

dvhill100 writes:

The idiocy of the NCAA never ceases to amaze me. Really, three years later, none of the guilty parties still on campus, and you still level more penalties? Common sense is an uncommon virtue. NCAA: we're not happy until you are unhappy.

thevoice writes:

2 more years of probation means Petrino not a good candidate.

DRORANGELOVE writes:

in response to Vol86:

garbage is as garbage does. The world is so full of scum including the NCAA group. Can't wait until they screw Alabama out of a BCS title shot a couple of times and the SEC will leave the NCAA.

agree with your post. here is my proposal, see what you think about it:
Tell the NCAA to go to hell. Form a MCAA ( Major
College Athletic Assoc ) This MCAA to be made up of eight (8) 16 team conferences, each divided into 2 divisions with a Conference Championship game at seasons end. Both the conference champion AND conference champion runner up to advancfe to a 16 team National Championship playoff. Each conference champion playing another conference runner up champion in the first round of the play off. That way if a team plays consistently enough thru out the season to win its league division it will still have a chance to compete for the Natl Champ. even tho it might lose in its conference championship game. That way if the top two teams in the country come from the SAME conference, they will prove it by advancing through the rest of the conference playoff teams. Under the present system the NCAA (who has NO $$$ invested in scholarships. stadium construction or maintenence, high coaches salaries etc, but still makes more money off of college athletics than all of the colleges who pay for all these expenses.) EXAMPLE, The NCAA fines Penn State tens of millions of dollars for its role in the Jerry Sandusky fiasco. Why the hell should the NCAA get any $$$ out of that??? The NCAA suffered no harm.. All $$$ paid out due to sanduskys' transgressions should go to the victims, NOT the NCAA Also All of the big colleges who invest millions of $$ in building and maintaining huge stadiums and gymnasiums for their athletic programs won't have to worry about appeasing the NCAA who looks out for the huge number of Small colleges in order to keep them as members and make $$$ from their membership.

I could give you many, many GOOD reasons why it would benefit the top 128 major colleges to pull out from under the stupid, antiquated rules of the NCAA. Reasons that would prove beneficial to those colleges financially for not only their universities but also for the fans and the scholarship atheletes.

dyerbey#281598 writes:

Sanction the coach not the program and since Garza is no longer coaching that means sanction Kiffin and leave us the F alone.

CrankE writes:

"We were disappointed with the initial penalties and appealed on two occasions, in writing and at the hearing in Florida."

A hearing IN FLORIDA. And where is the NCAA HQ again?

Suddenly the picture becomes clear. . .

CrankE writes:

UT doesn’t have endless resources or in-state talent. For those reasons, UT has always approached compliance from a singular standpoint; Keep our house clean because we cannot afford scholarship reductions.

So for a guy like Fulmer, it’s no big deal to provide information on a rival that’s cheating. However, this clashes with Mike Slive’s “conference compliance” model. You just tell US what’s going on and we’ll decide what to share, who to tell, and what (if anything) is to be done for the good of the conference (if not your actual school). Which is why when Alabama mentions a compliance issue to the league office, they act as if they are legal counsel to “advise” Alabama. When it’s UT, they’ll sanction Pearl in a heartbeat (even though they lack jurisdiction). When Spurrier tweaks a rival’s tail for years on end, it’s just adorable. When Kiffin does the same thing once or twice, the league is aghast and institutes the “Kiffin rule” in an attempt to shut everyone up.

Kiffin was just doing what he’d learned at USC. Forget UT’s model of trying to stay clear of compliance issues, cheat early, often, frequently, and big. In Kiffin’s mind (and many others), there’s no need to fear the NCAA. They are spineless, corrupt, and understaffed.

When Alabama faced the NCAA several times in a row, the NCAA finally rattled their sword and barked about how Alabama deserved the death penalty, but handed them a lesser penalty. The message to Alabama-and everyone else was clear. Cheat all you want, we’ll never again destroy a program with the death penalty. So what did Alabama do? Celebrate. They spent $6M on Nick Saban. You know the rest. How about USC? Reggie Bush Par-taaaay! Auburn? When did Cam Newton ever sit out of a game? Ohio State? The OSU President joked about Jim Tressel firing HIM. (and where's Tressel now?) Oh and how about Penn State? No death penalty!? Nope. Just a breathtaking money grab by the NCAA.

Given these latest cowardly and belated penalties by the gutless NCAA, I can’t help but wonder if Kiffin was on the right track. Had he stayed longer, UT would either be rolling in wins and championships or NCAA penalties. Or both.

Perhaps it’s time for UT to go full-tilt Cloward Piven. (I'm Rick Jaaaaaaaaaaames ^!$@^%@!z)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%...

Overload the system with so much compliance stuff that they can’t possibly catch it all. Get the wins, the championships, the trophies, and deal with the fallout tomorrow. After all, what's the NCAA going to do-issue the death penalty?

volsn3 writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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I see that you have changed your sign-on name again. That makes over 20 I think. What a loser...GO VOLS>>>VFL

83Vol writes:

Kiffin is gone but the stink from his diaper remains!

Basketvol writes:

Please rehire Fulmer for a few months as some sort of consultant. Then, allow him to resign on his own terms with dignity and end this curse! What's next?!

gohawks1 writes:

Kiffin and Co... the staff that keeps on giving.

thevoice writes:

in response to gillblog:

That's all the NCAA EVER does or ever will do. Punish the people who happened to be standing on the sidewalk when the car wreck happened in the street.
NCAA is an enormous joke as a "regulating" body, but at the same time an enormous success at making money for themselves.

Ah, if only there were some Trust-busters in Congress these days....

The people in the car wreck weren't paid, overseen, and theoretically controlled by the sidewalk folk.

Lack of institutional control I guess.

Conversely, how can the school control ethics by their employees? So, sort of agree with you.

jacksontnbob writes:

Jimmy Cheek "I am proud of the stronger compliance structure we have instituted at the University of Tennessee.” Hey Cheek! How proud are you of the current state of the football program? Get your head out of your sphincter!

1986sugarbowl writes:

The NCAA is a joke!!! There is something suspicious to me about the timing on this issue. Kiffin and Garza are the ones who should suffer for this, not Dooley, his staff or the kids here now and those who will sign in the next two years. What a joke!!!

pcshowtime writes:

in response to thevoice:

2 more years of probation means Petrino not a good candidate.

Like him or not petrino has never been in any trouble with the ncaa on that he is as clean as dooley.

civilianvol_formerly_marinevol writes:

This should be appealed. Talk about piling on. The NCAA has no problem kicking a program when it's down.

arkansasvol1975 writes:

Well #1...the whole revolves around money. Every program in the NCAA that wants to win, is some way, makes a violation or violations. If we had been a top 10 program, never would of heard of any violations or had NCAA probation. Look at Auburn and Cam Newton, the NCAA had both by the balls, evidence and witnesses for what was going on. Oh yeah, what did the #1 national champion Auburn tigers and #1 draft pick Cam newton get........nothing! Money does alot of things gentlemen. Hell, look at John Calipari when he was at Memphis and Kentucky, the man flaunt the NCAA with violations, but is he ever in any trouble? Nope. My guess is the top programs do this day in and day out. Everybody can feel bad at Lane Kiffin all they want, but if he would have stayed, we would be up there with Bama and Lsu right now. I hate the man for leaving as well, but you have to look at why. USC was his school and his home...his dream job. Just too bad we don't have a high profile guy that see's us as his dream job.

NashvilleVolsincebirth writes:

Kiffen should get the penalty as others have stated but worse yet, we have to contend with Vandy's best chance in ever to win. This issue is a distraction. When it is all said and done, those things hurt worse than the penalties. If the 'dores pull it off tomorrow, I will have to suffer the fact I work with some VU grads. It is like the UK thing except they are a decent SEC team and UK stunk like a an old wet sweatsock. Not Bama but they can play D so I am worried about that problem. That is what the Vol nation should be concentrating on right now.

PHAT_VOL writes:

Its redundant to say Mr. Hamilton hired the wrong guy but he did. Now how good does the coaching job at U.T. look? Hart tried about a week ago to tell everyone how the U.T. football coaching job just isn't that favorable.

So, now who could we possibly hire and how much would it take? If Dooley wins six and makes it to a bowl, he may just be here for a long while.

GO VOLS!!!

jawga writes:

in response to arkansasvol1975:

Well #1...the whole revolves around money. Every program in the NCAA that wants to win, is some way, makes a violation or violations. If we had been a top 10 program, never would of heard of any violations or had NCAA probation. Look at Auburn and Cam Newton, the NCAA had both by the balls, evidence and witnesses for what was going on. Oh yeah, what did the #1 national champion Auburn tigers and #1 draft pick Cam newton get........nothing! Money does alot of things gentlemen. Hell, look at John Calipari when he was at Memphis and Kentucky, the man flaunt the NCAA with violations, but is he ever in any trouble? Nope. My guess is the top programs do this day in and day out. Everybody can feel bad at Lane Kiffin all they want, but if he would have stayed, we would be up there with Bama and Lsu right now. I hate the man for leaving as well, but you have to look at why. USC was his school and his home...his dream job. Just too bad we don't have a high profile guy that see's us as his dream job.

If 'Lil Kiff cannot keep USC in the top 20 with their tradition (may p/u 5 L's this year after ranked #1) not sure how he could roll with the likes of Bama, LSU, Dawgs & Gators.

tnaseevol writes:

in response to LiveToRide:

And what penalty does Garza get for his lying and violation of the rules? Isn't he coaching at TCU? It's high time the joke that is the NCAA started coming down on the cheaters themselves and stop punishing the fans and student athletes that are being punished AFTER THE FACT. You hit the cheating coaches and this will stop. As it stands, they can pretty much continue with the status quo and it's the school that gets punished. They just pick up and set up shop somewhere else like nothing happened. Why not a 3 year show cause for Garza like Pearl received?

Third paragraph of the article:

The committee said Garza was guilty of “unethical conduct” and slapped him with a three-year “show-cause” order that severely limits his ability to find another job at an NCAA school.

Does this help, or do you need someone to read it to you?

manniesghost1903 writes:

As we look at a season which at best will end in a 6-6 record and more likely end in a 5-7 or a 4-8 record, it is time to reflect on what will satisfy current Vol fans. Personally, organizing a lynch mob to hang Mike Hamilton, Dave Climer and John Adams to a series of sour apple trees sounds pretty satisfying to me. How about you?

tnwolfpup68 writes:

Well....guess I'm gonna be paying more attention to UT Basketball now .... I think the football season is essentially over. Usually pass the juice is derogatory - but I'll take a shot of it right now.

oldvoltimer62 writes:

Another deploy to discourage a quality coach from coming to UT.Thanks a lot you bunch of
turncoats Cheeks,Hamilton,Kiffin,and of course Willie Mack.for dismantling a great program.

movol53 writes:

I have not read all the comments above so here goes.
Is this Karma or the football Gods do to a school that fires a HOF coach when he is having a down cycle? Thanks Hammy for getting the football Gods PO'd at UT when you fired Fulmer. Yes he needed to be replaced but my goodness look where we are now!!! Is this Karma or what??? BEAT VANDY!!! VFL!!!

Vols4Ever writes:

in response to tnwolfpup68:

Well....guess I'm gonna be paying more attention to UT Basketball now .... I think the football season is essentially over. Usually pass the juice is derogatory - but I'll take a shot of it right now.

Although I'll tag my comment to your post, it isn't personally directed to you, just your representation of those that have no clue about our football program or what it means to be a fan.

Go the f*** away from this football game, team, conference, and centuries of VOLS. The General was hired to end Vandy and George Cafego would beat you like he owned you if he even thought you might be remotely thinking any thing close to what you just wrote.

We play the 'Dores tomorrow. We beat the Gold on West End just as surely as the sun will set in the West. Not to be too vindictive, but since you wish the season to be over before it is even close to over, may you never see another. Homeric justice.

BigOrangeSports writes:

Hate to say this, but it needs said. If you are not a Dooley fan, then the time is now to jump on another team's bandwagon. I think that Dooley's job is now safe until his contract is up or until we are off probation. Why? Because no decent coach is going to want to inherit these restrictions like Dooley did. So forget your big name coach. We're gonna have to accept that Dooley is here again next season and possibly after that. Just my thoughts.

Oh, and thanks once again, Hammy.

GBO

OLROCKYTOP writes:

Who is gonna wanna come and coach here amidst this new hurdle? Tennessee keeps becoming a harder sale. With the newest storm to hit Knoxville, where does Dooley's job security stand now?

AZ_Vol writes:

in response to oldvoltimer62:

Another deploy to discourage a quality coach from coming to UT.Thanks a lot you bunch of
turncoats Cheeks,Hamilton,Kiffin,and of course Willie Mack.for dismantling a great program.

We have a quality coach in Dooley. What you're seeing is what the man has had to deal with since he started here. Dooley deserves your thanks, and some serious respect for doing the job no coach would want to do given the circumstances. The kids that play for him and this school deserve your support, for they knew full well what they were signing up for, as there's been no evidence that Dooley ever led any of them falsely.

A cursory glance from any research whatsoever would have told you that the NCAA isn't done with us, yet.

Neither is the SEC.

Hell, I've been trying to tell y'all this for quite some time.

There are numerous articles (not that you'll read any of them from the lousy Vol press) that are out there that explain in detail what this university is facing, and how rotten it had been for years.

There were hints from Hart and the Chancellor of the university, even going so far back as when Hart got hired, about how bad this was, and what Hart's priority was, and how in accord it was with anyone that makes a decision at Tennessee.

Our football program, as well as our athletics department will rise above this. We've got quality people running things now, and no one with a clue ever said this was going to be a quick fix.

Go Vols. Fight on.

Theo writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Wow - you really had to stretch to get to use Doolaide responding to this article. But you are nothing if not persistent. Persistent sort of like a fungel rash.

Clarkrm0706 writes:

in response to Theo:

Wow - you really had to stretch to get to use Doolaide responding to this article. But you are nothing if not persistent. Persistent sort of like a fungel rash.

For him to turn THIS article into a "Doolaide" comment is the largest stretch I have seen thus far. My post is has no relation to my feelings toward Dooley but I realize blind hatred when it is presented.

gobigorange5090 writes:

in response to jryevols#222657:

This just in from ESPN.....

Dooley was releaved of his head coaching duties at the University of Tennessee this morning at 8:30 ET. Sources have now released information that due to Phillip Fulmer eating and sharing PizzaHut bread sticks with team members at halftime , the infractions committee has imposed a penalty that requires Dooley to remain one more year and that those holding season tickets are not allowed to sell any games.The penalty also imposses that Sal must gain another 50 pounds and play the part of Curley on the sequel of " The Three Stooges ". I'm teling you the NCAA is just wrong... Phillip ate all the breadsticks himself.

Enough of the fat jokes and dont quit your day job.

exlineman writes:

For some good news fans, watched UT comittment Jalen Reeves Maybin from Clarksvill N.E. tonight against Beech High School in Hendersonville. He only scored 5 touchdowns and 29 carries for 326 yards rushing. He played defense and offense the entire game except for an ankle injury, where he had to come out for one play. This young man is extremely fast and extremely hard to bring down. He is a real work horse. He plays qb for his team, but is more like a sherman tank with the ball. Right now he is better than any of our tailbacks and a tough player that won't give up running for more yardage. We need him bad, have heard he is being groomed for defensive back, but hope we use him on offense. He is the best high school qb that I have seen.

To top that Beech has the number one tailback that UT is trying to recruit. He only had 3 touchdowns and 176 yards rushing. Don't know if we can get him, as I have heard he is waiting on a permanent coach being at UT. He is just a junior, but could graduate this yr.if he wishes to do so. Al,Ohio St. and Peabody seem to be in the lead for his services.

Beech won that game tonight 44 to 43 and what a game it was down to the closing seconds.

tovolny writes:

Like a bad Second Lieutenant brown nosing his way to Major, the NCAA really don't have a clue about why they exist. The NCAA's punishment of Penn State was so mis-directed that something needs to be done. Garsa was the "wrong do-er", under Kiffen. Garsa and Kiffen receiving punishment would be the logical approach. But the NCAA is so far from logical that Congressional hearings from the Feds need to be conducted post haste.

Who is the top dummy at the NCAA, anyway? Texas and Notre Dame rarely receive punishment for their obvious violations. Is there a connection?

1gavol writes:

in response to illinoisvolfan:

Will UT football ever be rid of the stench commonly known as Lane Kiffin?

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SevenT writes:

Tennessee Football is and always will be a program that cheats. The media will try to blame this on Kiffin, but the University knew about Kiffin's reputation and overlooked his past when they hired him. Similarly in basketball the university hire Pearl who is a dirtbag cheater as well.

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