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shipperman#280095 writes:

Me thinks they doeth protest too much

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to TheEffect:

I think Gruden to UT is not going to happen....and that is probably a good thing for UT. It is apparent that the fanbase is divided on him, and it would cost a truckload to get him. If he failed at UT, they would have to borrow money from China to recover.

A name I keep hearing (outside of Knoxville) is Butch Jones. It was reported that he turned down Kentucky....holding out for Tennessee or Arkansas. I think he would be a good hire. I would certainly take him over Strong at Louisville.

One of the few coaches that Dooley beat, yeah that would be a grand hire

TKO writes:

Please explain to me what makes Gruden the best COLLEGE candidate out there?

madrigal writes:

All you wishful thinkers are just ridiculous. It doesn't really matter what YOU want, you'll just have to take what you get. And you haven't got anything yet, so you just have to wait. Quit acting like a bunch of first graders!

BackAShoneysnFleas writes:

This is simply amazing. The number of total dullards in this fan base who continue to believe that Gruden will be UT's next coach - I'm guessing all these fools also have lifetime subscriptions to the National Enquirer. This is a total embarrassment for dwindling number of rational & sane UT fans.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

And while we are asking why is Gruden so appealing, someone please tell me what the other obscession is with Charlie Strong.

He is 23 - 15 in 3 years at ul, 8-4 in that tough big east football conference.

Wins this year include squeekers over such football powerhouses as s. miss and s. fl, and losses the last 2 weeks to syracuse (blow out) and uconn. Has not played a ranked team all year. Another win this year was over the mighty uk, but even UT beat uk by a wider margin.

First 2 years at ul were 7-6, with wins last year over the usual big east cupcakes but lost to marshall, fiu, cincinatti (who we beat easily), and lost in that prestigious Belk Bowl to nc st, you know, one of only 5 teams we beat this year.

He does not play ranked teams in or out of conference.

So let's bring in a truly untested HC with no record vs quality ranked teams, and turn him loose with our schedule of highly ranked teams for at least half of our games.

WTH? This guy has played no team of consequesnce in 3 years much less have a record of quality wins. CDD beat the top of the big east last year with our win over cincy, good grief.

What is it with so many folks calling for him to resurrect our program?

UTKin1992 writes:

I "get" the rock star quality Gruden would bring to the program. Although, it certainly seems like WE are prostituting ourselves to HIM an awful lot. Shouldn't he want to come here to a certain degree? Shouldnt it be mutual? Besides what experience has he had at recruiting or coaching in the college ranks!? Huge gamble. Huge.

takespix writes:

I don't waste my prayers on coaching searches, but I do wish with all my heart that Gruden seeks a life far from Knoxville, Tennessee. The program doesn't need that circus, the lack of respect and overall underachievement endemic of Gruden coached teams.

pcorange writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

How exactly would it unite the fan base???? half the people on here DON'T WANT HIM

The group that posts here are the vocal few. Any coach that can recruit and start getting the Vols back on track will unite the fan base. The 50% or so that want Gruden far outnumber the percentage of fans who want any ONE other coach. The list of names thrown out there right now is too diluted. He will resonate instantly with the top HS recruits out there. Whether he will be a stellar college coach remains to be seen, if he indeed is offered and accepts a job at the college level. However, if he were coming to UT, I think it would have already been announced. He is not coaching anywhere, so why wouldn't we let him go ahead and hit the recruiting trail if he were going to be the coach. I was optimistic about it for a while, but at this point I really don't think he is coming here.

Vol43 writes:

in response to TNFaninFL:

What do you expect him to say .. yea, I have been talking with UT ? Everyone denies everything until it happens, guarantee you, if that is the deal, he is thinking about it.

Reminds me of Saban's reaction when rumors were abound concerning Alabama

RememberWhen writes:

in response to SummittsCourt:

I was in my car driving to work when Gruden came on the Mike & Mike show on espn to do his weekly bit. He didn't just deny it, he strongly denied it with a bit of frustration in his voice as if to say he is getting tired of all of these rumors and his name.

Once again, don't be so gullable - Gruden is not going to be coaching UT football next season.

It's best to put the attention on getting someone who is interested in coaching at UT.

Ahhh yes...another expert...even a clock is right twice a day...

VolBall18 writes:

in response to UTKin1992:

I "get" the rock star quality Gruden would bring to the program. Although, it certainly seems like WE are prostituting ourselves to HIM an awful lot. Shouldn't he want to come here to a certain degree? Shouldnt it be mutual? Besides what experience has he had at recruiting or coaching in the college ranks!? Huge gamble. Huge.

Anyone UT hires will be a huge gamble. There is not a coach on any list that you can say is a no brainer that will bring UT back to dominance. Every coach that has been linked to UT is a coin toss. Gruden's not the only choice, but he would be a great choice. Not only would tons of players want to play for and learn from him, he would also bring a great coaching staff with him. He's not gonna come alone and just pick here and there. He's a coach who knows what he needs and wants, and knows how to get it. Who would the other coaches bring? If you combined a whole staff of some of the other coaches mentioned, that would be great. But no one knows how well any of the coaches will do.

Ironcity writes:

All I can say is this is fun. Something this season was not.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to pcorange:

The group that posts here are the vocal few. Any coach that can recruit and start getting the Vols back on track will unite the fan base. The 50% or so that want Gruden far outnumber the percentage of fans who want any ONE other coach. The list of names thrown out there right now is too diluted. He will resonate instantly with the top HS recruits out there. Whether he will be a stellar college coach remains to be seen, if he indeed is offered and accepts a job at the college level. However, if he were coming to UT, I think it would have already been announced. He is not coaching anywhere, so why wouldn't we let him go ahead and hit the recruiting trail if he were going to be the coach. I was optimistic about it for a while, but at this point I really don't think he is coming here.

agree...the list of "available" coaches that has been thrown around in the press is weak.

disagree...gruden will not unite the fan base. you even said it yourself "whether he will be a stellar college coach remains to be seen..." i think most folks around here are sick and tired of "experiments". especially one (gruden) that will cost UT an arm and a leg.

orange_eVOLution writes:

More smoke is good smoke.

y2church#372759 writes:

Anyone who wonders whether Gruden can recruit or not does NOT understand college recruiting.

IF Gruden is announced within the next 2 weeks, UT will have a top 5 class THIS year.

Book it.

Church

GreeneVol writes:

I would think that race-card playing coaches in the south would tend not to work out well for either party. Good points on Strong's record, HopeisNot.

The Webb School enrollment form made me chuckle - classic rumor fodder...

Shake_Bake writes:

in response to thevoice:

1. His visibility on TV alone will make him a stellar recruiter. Just look at the articles about how HS recruits think of this. BTW, recruiting is the most important factor at UT.

2. College players can trust that Gruden knows what it takes to get to the league.

3. He has won a championship at the highest level of football, Dungy's team or not.

4. He is considered extremely well connected and would likely get the best assistant coaches.

5. He has the "it" factor, something Dooley did not.

In summary, for the most part, he would unite the UT fan base.

Excellent Post!! I think his influence on High School kids would be fantastic! He would be a great recruiter, and that is exactly what it takes to be successful year after year. Look at Saban at Bama,...he too is a great recruiter. Recruiting is the name of the game at the college level!!

willblitz4bacon writes:

I'm sick of this! Dave Hart needs to make a hire! I recomend Phil Robertson. founder of Duck Dynasty. That would make me HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY!

pcorange writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

And while we are asking why is Gruden so appealing, someone please tell me what the other obscession is with Charlie Strong.

He is 23 - 15 in 3 years at ul, 8-4 in that tough big east football conference.

Wins this year include squeekers over such football powerhouses as s. miss and s. fl, and losses the last 2 weeks to syracuse (blow out) and uconn. Has not played a ranked team all year. Another win this year was over the mighty uk, but even UT beat uk by a wider margin.

First 2 years at ul were 7-6, with wins last year over the usual big east cupcakes but lost to marshall, fiu, cincinatti (who we beat easily), and lost in that prestigious Belk Bowl to nc st, you know, one of only 5 teams we beat this year.

He does not play ranked teams in or out of conference.

So let's bring in a truly untested HC with no record vs quality ranked teams, and turn him loose with our schedule of highly ranked teams for at least half of our games.

WTH? This guy has played no team of consequesnce in 3 years much less have a record of quality wins. CDD beat the top of the big east last year with our win over cincy, good grief.

What is it with so many folks calling for him to resurrect our program?

Agree totally. I'm afraid Strong is who we will get, but he sure is iffy at this point. I'd like to see a little bit better body of work than that. Really wouldn't be a whole lot better hire than Dooley was.

AirForceVol2786 writes:

in response to BigOrangeRock:

Hire Fulmer back. He can transition to Peyton/Chief in a couple of years, once he brings LIFE BACK to the program.

How is he going to give LIFE back to the program. Under recruit and lose to wyoming. Please Fulmer isn't coming back and he doesn't deserve too.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to bigmj:

Jon Grudens career record is 95-81, which is a .540 winning percentage with a 5-4 record in the playoffs for a .556 winning percentage.
He was 38-26 at Oakland and 2-2 in the playoffs.
He was 57-55 at Tampan and 3-2 in the playoffs.

Would you hire any of the following NFL coaches if available?

a. .375 winning percentage. 12-20 record. No playoff appearances.
b. .468 winning percentage. 15-17 record. No playoff appearances.
c. .230 winning percentage. 3-10 record. No playoff appearances.

(a) is Steve Spurrier (b) is Nick Saban and (c) is Bobby Petrino.

ournextguest writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

The whole "Gruden coming to UT" stuff was funny for a while. Now it's just annoying. Let it go already.

NOT

GOING

TO

HAPPEN

Understatement...never going to happen is more like it. Need to set sights on an actual likelihood and not a pipedream

MGVOL22 writes:

in response to thevoice:

1. His visibility on TV alone will make him a stellar recruiter. Just look at the articles about how HS recruits think of this. BTW, recruiting is the most important factor at UT.

2. College players can trust that Gruden knows what it takes to get to the league.

3. He has won a championship at the highest level of football, Dungy's team or not.

4. He is considered extremely well connected and would likely get the best assistant coaches.

5. He has the "it" factor, something Dooley did not.

In summary, for the most part, he would unite the UT fan base.

Voice - First of all you make some great points..unlike most on message boards I will give you props when they are due and if people can just respond in an intelligent manor like you have done, it would make the board much better....

So I can agree with a lot of your points, I just hesitate to put all the marbles in Gruden's basket. I am a former player/lettermen so I get what you are saying. Good post / discussion

RememberWhen writes:

For all those yapping about guys that "want to come here" understand this...there are only TWO reasons for guys to "want to come here" - MONEY or a SECOND CHANCE! So many TN fans want to make themselves believe that TN is somehow one of the top jobs in the country - newsflash: it isn't. The athletic department is in financial shambles, the NCAA is still looking over the shoulder, the incoming recruiting class is all but a waste, two in-state rivals are killing TN for what little in-state talent there is, two SEC schools within 4 hours of Knoxville are playing for a national title, another 4 hours away (SC) has locked up that state's borders which were once fertile for TN, the current roster is nearly devoid of SEC level talent, there is about to be a war between the academic and athletic factions over money, the future of the current chancellor is suspect at best and the AD has managed to pi$$ a whole lot of people off internally. So, all of that means that TN will be getting a new coach who's primary motivation is either to solidify his finances for life (big name guy) or to try to re-establish his career because he has baggage (fired previously for not winning or morals). In either case for TN fans to delude themselves into thinking that there is some long line of guys out there just drooling to become VFL's because orange is their favorite color, their wife is an alum, they pay homage to Johnny Majors, or they just hate Alabama that much is both comical and pathetic.

djohnnyg writes:

Ok. I just heard the Gruden piece. This was NOT a strong denial. He said 'There's no truth to that i'm just focused on the Giants and Redskins on MNF...let's just leave it at that'.

He may NOT come to UT when the smoke clears but there are way too many rumors for this to not have some truth to it.

The ones saying there is absolutely NOTHING going on with Gruden are just as delusional as the ones who are saying this is a done deal and already signed.

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

BigBadVol writes:

I know. How about Lou Holtz? Yea baby!

volwolf writes:

Why is no one mentioning former UT coaches besides Cutcliffe? No I do not mean Sanders, what about the man the players all referred to as Chief, aka John Chavis?

atnvol#283282 writes:

in response to djohnnyg:

Ok. I just heard the Gruden piece. This was NOT a strong denial. He said 'There's no truth to that i'm just focused on the Giants and Redskins on MNF...let's just leave it at that'.

He may NOT come to UT when the smoke clears but there are way too many rumors for this to not have some truth to it.

The ones saying there is absolutely NOTHING going on with Gruden are just as delusional as the ones who are saying this is a done deal and already signed.

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Agree, I too thought that there was no way it would happen....but now, I am not as sure. You know the saying....where thers smoke thers farr.

west_tn_volfan writes:

in response to snowpeapod#263184:

Does this surprise anyone that this is being reported by a Memphis station? Makes no difference how much they try and discredit UT we will never be as bad as Memphis.

So exactly who is trying to discredit Tennessee? I didn't see anything in the article that sounded like an attempt to discredit anyone or anything. I know some people in east Tennessee hate Memphis for some reason but your statement just seems bizarre.

djohnnyg writes:

I've always thought Gruden LOVES the speculation. He has a marketing agent like any celebrity...which is what he is.

Notice how he NEVER flat out denies any rumors?

That being said, it's obvious Gruden has been contacted about the Ut gig.

He may have turned it down, but waaaay too much buzz going on to not have some truth. Even the way he responded to Mike and Mike say as much.

RememberWhen writes:

in response to y2church#372759:

Anyone who wonders whether Gruden can recruit or not does NOT understand college recruiting.

IF Gruden is announced within the next 2 weeks, UT will have a top 5 class THIS year.

Book it.

Church

I TOTALLY understand recruiting and you're dead wrong. First, there aren't enough top level un-committed guys left for that to happen. Second, the few top level guys that he might be able to steal won't get him into the top 5. And third, he doesn't have the relationships with the right people (yet) to buy enough committed guys to get top 5. To get in the top 10 requires money my friend.

volwolf writes:

in response to GR82BaTennesseeVOL:

His winning percentage happens to be one of the highest all-time in the NFL. Look it up.

His record is 100-85
For a winning percentage of 54%
What Gruden does bring to the table though is an offensive mind, couple that with a great defense and UT could be on top again.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

I know. How about Lou Holtz? Yea baby!

Yes, if not Gruden, continue our raid on espeepeeen and get Holtz, but for our cheerleading captain..."Go Big Oranthhggg, GO VOLFFFS.." as spittle drips from the corners of his mouth.

And also espeepeen Stuart Scott as our chief recruiting scout cuz ... he can see around corners...

RememberWhen writes:

in response to west_tn_volfan:

So exactly who is trying to discredit Tennessee? I didn't see anything in the article that sounded like an attempt to discredit anyone or anything. I know some people in east Tennessee hate Memphis for some reason but your statement just seems bizarre.

TN fans concerned about being discredited by Memphis shows just exactly how low this program has fallen.

USMCDEVILDOG2003 writes:

Look Gruden is what Tennessee needs for right now, people are worried about him ajusting to collage football, fore one he is a smart guy he is not going to have all pro couches it will be a mix of couches collage and pro. He knows the game of football he will ajust to collage and the way the game is played, I think he will do fine in recruiting and it will become easey for him. Some of you say he don't want to put up with the collage kids and the trouble they cause, he has to put up with grown men that do the same things, and fore one i think he would like the challenge of collage football, and he could retire in Tennessee and he probly will no matter where he gose. The longer this drags out the better chance we have, untill he comes out and says thank you for the offer but no thank you then we can move on but why hasn't he said that yet.

west_tn_volfan writes:

in response to Clarkrm0706:

Yeah, true. Still think they would leak this to an eastern TN news outlet not scoop K-town.
Either way, I will have to see an official announcement for ANY coach.

Well, the whole deal with Johnny Majors being let go and Fulmer being hired happened when they were in Memphis. Apparently, sometimes they like to get away from the east side of the state to break news.

Supersayin1 writes:

Some people are so Delusional!!! Chill on the Gruden stuff! To be honest as much as I bleed Orange, there is no way i'm giving up a Job that's paying me millions to do very little work, without the stress of getting the boot because I can't produce fast enough for a fan base! Sorry Stability wins out over Passion any day!

And Just because my wife wants to be closer to home doesn't mean i'm gonna give up a Job where she knows the money will always be there for something else! Seriously people you have to see this from his point and how he feels about his familiy's best interest!

Wise up people!!
You don't leave a Job talking about sports making millions with Job security for a Job with major stress and my job security depends on how well I do over the next 2 to 3 years!!

I would love to have Gruden as my coach but C'mon people he has to do whats best for his family, not whats best for the Tennessee fan base!!

ANd H3ll NO to Patrino!! GO VOLS!

born2ride writes:

It is a done deal.

Hart has his man.

Of course they are going to deny it until it is officially announced on Friday.

thevoice writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

Would you hire any of the following NFL coaches if available?

a. .375 winning percentage. 12-20 record. No playoff appearances.
b. .468 winning percentage. 15-17 record. No playoff appearances.
c. .230 winning percentage. 3-10 record. No playoff appearances.

(a) is Steve Spurrier (b) is Nick Saban and (c) is Bobby Petrino.

Good post! I was hoping someone would pull those numbers... too lazy myself but I knew they were all losing records.

joevol33 writes:

I love the vol's and the fan's, but how some of you got he was coming from him saying no in plain english confuses me. I listened to it live, and watched it several time's over on dvr. He said no to both. period. I want gruden, but I am fluent in english. He may be lying to cover it up, but some of you are saying he didn't say no to the ut offer and sorry to bust your bubble, but he did. I'm sure it's on the web by now look it up. In plain english when asked if he had a offer from ut he said no. I am not trying to be a dream killer, I'm just afraid some of you will kill yourself when he's not the coach. Again, I hope he's the man, but nothing in his interview even remotely hinted he was taking the ut job.

thebiggreg writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

I know. How about Lou Holtz? Yea baby!

Lou Holtz yea bring on Sweet Lou

Cousin_Eddie writes:

It's going to be Charlie Strong, Al Golden, Larry Fedora, Butch Jones, or Greg Roman.

thebiggreg writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

Yes, if not Gruden, continue our raid on espeepeeen and get Holtz, but for our cheerleading captain..."Go Big Oranthhggg, GO VOLFFFS.." as spittle drips from the corners of his mouth.

And also espeepeen Stuart Scott as our chief recruiting scout cuz ... he can see around corners...

This phooey is freaking great

Rumblefish writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

Would you hire any of the following NFL coaches if available?

a. .375 winning percentage. 12-20 record. No playoff appearances.
b. .468 winning percentage. 15-17 record. No playoff appearances.
c. .230 winning percentage. 3-10 record. No playoff appearances.

(a) is Steve Spurrier (b) is Nick Saban and (c) is Bobby Petrino.

convenient how you left out each of their college coaching records PRIOR to jumping to the NFL, then coming back.

college coaching record...something gruden DOES NOT HAVE

thebiggreg writes:

hey I live in West Tn Glenn Carver speaks the truth baby GO TIGERS

Rumblefish writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

Yes, if not Gruden, continue our raid on espeepeeen and get Holtz, but for our cheerleading captain..."Go Big Oranthhggg, GO VOLFFFS.." as spittle drips from the corners of his mouth.

And also espeepeen Stuart Scott as our chief recruiting scout cuz ... he can see around corners...

omg....that was freaking hilarious. that part about stuart scott seeing around corners...i spit out my coffee laughing!

get lou holtz!!! everyone loves a cracker-spitter!!!!

djohnnyg writes:

I do know that no matter who UT hires there will be discord and a huge faction who like it and huge that do not.

UT is at a precipice. When the AD publicly says as much is even more significant.

There's no need to discredit Gruden in all this.

What do 5 star recruits desire more than anything else? To play in the NFL and make millions.

I believe the 'perception' of Gruden would be that here's a guy who knows the NFL and what it takes to play in it.

This WOULD be the splash UT needs to get back to prominence. EVERYBODY wants Gruden. There's a reason for that.

I don't know if it's gonna happen and we can't just dismiss the fact he in effect denied it, but we've heard this kind of stuff before.

Gruden had a chance to say "Let me say this clearly and dispel all the rumors. I am NOT going to be the next HC at UT". He could have. He did not.

Was he denying the ownership in the Browns? Was he denying he's gonna be the next coach at UT?

He left it somewhat open when he could have closed it.

Why? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

west_tn_volfan writes:

I wouldn't mind seeing Gruden as the next coach and I think it is possible. Those, who say it can't happen,underestimate the UT job in my opinion. No one wanted to follow Fulmer, but there's been enough time since he left that I think it's considered a great job again.
The main reason I don't jump on the Gruden bandwagon is because if he doesn't take the job, and UT hires a really good coach, I don't want to be disappointed when I should be pleased. I think some people are setting themselves up for that with this Gruden or bust attitude. Bottom line, I'm going to support whomever they hire. Unless he gives me a reason not to.

thebiggreg writes:

be careful what you wish for VOL fans you might get Griude

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