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justafan4ut writes:

You people that I'm reading on this comment board would b!t^h if the biscuits had to much butter. This was not a pretty game to say the least, but you know what, we did have a chance to win. Really how many of you thought we had a chance to win? I didn't. We need a shooter or two that can be consistant. Free-throw shooting was just down right pitiful, I would have them shoot 1000 tomorrow a.m. But people bringing up it's another dooley performance and phooey like that is not needed. You guys wouldn't be happy if we(UT) went underfeated, you would find something to complain about. I'm proud of the way we competed, made alot of mistakes, but still had a chance to win. They(Gtown) were long and we are not. That is why a zone works for them. I think, I will drink a couple of more beers and watch when they are on again. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!

VinylVols writes:

Most of everyone on here should be ashamed of themselves. So much negativity.

They played a top ranked team close and we have one of the best defensive teams in the league. One shot goes differently and we win it. No one on these forums can ever be satisfied, what are we supposed to go 29-0? Too many high expectations.

And please never compare this basketball team to the football team... never.

AHOUSE writes:

in response to justafan4ut:

You people that I'm reading on this comment board would b!t^h if the biscuits had to much butter. This was not a pretty game to say the least, but you know what, we did have a chance to win. Really how many of you thought we had a chance to win? I didn't. We need a shooter or two that can be consistant. Free-throw shooting was just down right pitiful, I would have them shoot 1000 tomorrow a.m. But people bringing up it's another dooley performance and phooey like that is not needed. You guys wouldn't be happy if we(UT) went underfeated, you would find something to complain about. I'm proud of the way we competed, made alot of mistakes, but still had a chance to win. They(Gtown) were long and we are not. That is why a zone works for them. I think, I will drink a couple of more beers and watch when they are on again. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!

Two more free throws and 90% of the negative posters would not be on here. Some people have a bad day every day.

trl_x writes:

Ugly.

Maybe the Vols should think about forcing an uptempo game. More possessions more potential baskets.

Otherwise this team will struggle against a zone defense all year.

And besides, uptempo is more fun to watch.

VolunteerLifer writes:

I was at the game tonite. People on here who are badmouthing this team and coach are way off base. Georgetown is a QUALITY defensive team - extremely well coached in defense, and extremely long and talented defenders. That was one of the best zone defenses I've ever seen. They took away our inside game and still left no open shots at the three point line. Very physical and very active - unusual qualities for a zone. When you combine that with our loss of Maymon, and our lack of more than one outside shooter (they were all over McBee. They were on him like white on rice), it made for a tough, tough game. There were no open shots to be found. There were no open passing lanes. entry passes were hard to make.

On the other hand, our defense - with smaller and less talented players - was even more effective than theirs. The effort these kids gave (except for Hall) was something to be proud of. You just don't waltz in there and beat Georgetown on their home floor. Their record in that gym is terrific against a lot of quality foes. That we had a great chance to win this one at the end was testimony to a lot of grit on this team and excellent coaching.

With Maymon out - and even if he is in there - we simply don't have the offensive players to expect sterling offensive performances against tough defensive teams like Gtown. One thing disappointing to me was to see Hall was completely outclassed. I don't understand how he ever got a four star recruit rating. He is a senior and the Gtown sophomores were schooling him. Bad feet, bad hands, lacks quickness, anticipation, etc. If maymon is in this game we win it cause they couldn't double and triple down on Stokes. With Hall in there, they didn't have to worry about him at all. Yemi was no different. Chievous is too small to play with their forwards. The truth is that we don't have the depth inside that we thought we would have this year. Maymon being out hurts this team like hell.

The lack of free throw shooting was very frustrating. We make two more and we win, one more and maybe we win. I thought the rims were really tight, as the home team struggled with their free throws, too. Almost everything that hit the rims bounced out, especially free throws.

We lost the game in the first five minutes of the second half, when we went from a two point lead to a seven point deficit. We played down six or seven for a long time in that half. In such a defensive game, it's really hard to make a run and make it stick. That deficit was huge, took so much defensive effort to work it down. With our lack of offensive weaponry, seven points looked like twenty. That our kids fought back and didn't quit when they got behind by that much without an offense was a very good sign for the season ahead.

We need Maymon. With him we are a top team, and we win games like this.

decades_vol (Inactive) writes:

in response to easttnvol21:

That was one of the most pathetic efforts I have seen---this team can't even get a shot and when they do they have the touch of a blacksmith. Call it what you want---I call it ugly---30+ points? Are you kidding? And, once again foul shooting is sad----seriously, this team is bad, real bad. Simply hard to watch.

Then don't watch, and do us a favor and don't post. Tenn. nearly beat the Hoyas in their comfortable confines and you're not pleased at all. UT put a belly-to-belly defense on these guys for a full 40 and really should have won the game. And this is without Maymon. There are plenty of bad teams to watch out there, and Tenn is not one of them. They'll make plenty of noise this year.

decades_vol (Inactive) writes:

in response to straightshooter:

That was a horrible game. Sure ESPN hated broadcasting it as I suspect not 1 in 5 people watched the entire game. Looked like 2 sub .500 teams and each having an off night at that. So goes the basketball season also.

Many people, aside from Orange fans, probably turned the game because they had listen to all the Hoya hugs from the play-by-play announcer and Bobby Knight. They sounded like a couple of Hoya homers. A lot of "easy misses" by the Hoyas turned out to be good defense by the Vols, along with some ownership of the glass by Tenn. Knight admitted a couple of times, though, that Tenn was playing good defense, just to be fair. I just didn't hear nearly as much about about the Vol's effort in a one-point game. Maybe this is just me, though. Guess the Vols will have to earn more respect in some upcoming games.

decades_vol (Inactive) writes:

in response to tomkats3242:

Looks like another Mike Hamiliton bust. Thought he was going to be different but I watch a team that could not play half the high school teams in TN and beat them. There is no excuse for not making free throws. Team looks like a bunch of thugs. Need to shave, get a hair cut and represent UT with pride not like a california team.

I'd hold off on the Kat comments for a bit. Duke beat the Cat's, as expected, and the Fighting Irish put a beatdown on your boys. Maybe just a pale version of last year for the felines.

signalcorps writes:

(anyone that reads this and knows our coach please ask him to read this if you agree or not he will understand) tn looked like a young team with out guard play,,,you have to have a floor general,,,he has to get a four or five star guard if not this team will always play street ball by that I mean I never did see tn set up one play never,, they may have tryed,,everyone was doing their own thing ,,everyone was looking for the ball never did I see players setting up for rebounds,,with a little fundamentials coaching and a real point guard this team has a chance to be a top five team,,,come on coach get your team and game under control you can do it,,,and please don't forget you can get any player you want please don't let that be your down fall.(if your big men not setting up bench them I don't care if he's the best player you have bench him and the rest will fall into line,if you can't out think kids then it's no hope for you......nothing but love

madhatter writes:

I tuned in late and thought this was a half-time score. LOL The Georgetown coach said on ESPN last night that this the ugliest basketball game he has ever seen at any level. I sure do miss Bruce Pearl!!

Sir_Spanky writes:

Apparently free throw shooting's not a priority for this team. Keep doing that = loose lot's more.

hikerdude writes:

in response to signalcorps:

(anyone that reads this and knows our coach please ask him to read this if you agree or not he will understand) tn looked like a young team with out guard play,,,you have to have a floor general,,,he has to get a four or five star guard if not this team will always play street ball by that I mean I never did see tn set up one play never,, they may have tryed,,everyone was doing their own thing ,,everyone was looking for the ball never did I see players setting up for rebounds,,with a little fundamentials coaching and a real point guard this team has a chance to be a top five team,,,come on coach get your team and game under control you can do it,,,and please don't forget you can get any player you want please don't let that be your down fall.(if your big men not setting up bench them I don't care if he's the best player you have bench him and the rest will fall into line,if you can't out think kids then it's no hope for you......nothing but love

He has a four star guard.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to VinylVols:

Most of everyone on here should be ashamed of themselves. So much negativity.

They played a top ranked team close and we have one of the best defensive teams in the league. One shot goes differently and we win it. No one on these forums can ever be satisfied, what are we supposed to go 29-0? Too many high expectations.

And please never compare this basketball team to the football team... never.

LOL Basketball has no offense! Football has no Defense. Maybe we could trade some players.hehe
Don't misunderstand my joking here. I'm NOT for getting rid of anybody. Ever. At this level the coaches are usually very good. CM is very good. It's early and you let players make there mistakes early I guess. At least in bball I don't think we'll see these kind of games on offense all season. We'd better start making free throws though. We'd better quit the silly fouls. We'd better stop the dancing around the perimeter. etc etc.
It's ok to have a negative sounding post sometimes if you aren't trashing anyone. ??

VOLSnTITANS writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Thanks Chicken Little. I prefer to believe that it was one hard fought game with both teams having an off-night shooting the ball. It happens.

To shoot that bad and still have a chance to win is not all bad. G'town is never easy for anybody.

Oh, ditto your Petrino comment.

Name calling? Very mature of you.

The two quality opponents we have played this year we have shot the ball horrifically. I see this as a trend and not an off night. We make our opponents defense look as great as the opponents QB's this football season...best games of their career.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to VOLSnTITANS:

Name calling? Very mature of you.

The two quality opponents we have played this year we have shot the ball horrifically. I see this as a trend and not an off night. We make our opponents defense look as great as the opponents QB's this football season...best games of their career.

The "Chicken Little" comment was NOT "name-calling" really. However you may not have liked the reference to the book that pokes fun at the "dark-cloud" syndrome or the no "silver lining" types.

We did have silver linings in the Georgetown game. We CAN play defense for 40 minutes. We can probably make that one free throw in the next game to send us into overtime.hehe

TKO writes:

Can't wait for baseball

oldster writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

I was at the game tonite. People on here who are badmouthing this team and coach are way off base. Georgetown is a QUALITY defensive team - extremely well coached in defense, and extremely long and talented defenders. That was one of the best zone defenses I've ever seen. They took away our inside game and still left no open shots at the three point line. Very physical and very active - unusual qualities for a zone. When you combine that with our loss of Maymon, and our lack of more than one outside shooter (they were all over McBee. They were on him like white on rice), it made for a tough, tough game. There were no open shots to be found. There were no open passing lanes. entry passes were hard to make.

On the other hand, our defense - with smaller and less talented players - was even more effective than theirs. The effort these kids gave (except for Hall) was something to be proud of. You just don't waltz in there and beat Georgetown on their home floor. Their record in that gym is terrific against a lot of quality foes. That we had a great chance to win this one at the end was testimony to a lot of grit on this team and excellent coaching.

With Maymon out - and even if he is in there - we simply don't have the offensive players to expect sterling offensive performances against tough defensive teams like Gtown. One thing disappointing to me was to see Hall was completely outclassed. I don't understand how he ever got a four star recruit rating. He is a senior and the Gtown sophomores were schooling him. Bad feet, bad hands, lacks quickness, anticipation, etc. If maymon is in this game we win it cause they couldn't double and triple down on Stokes. With Hall in there, they didn't have to worry about him at all. Yemi was no different. Chievous is too small to play with their forwards. The truth is that we don't have the depth inside that we thought we would have this year. Maymon being out hurts this team like hell.

The lack of free throw shooting was very frustrating. We make two more and we win, one more and maybe we win. I thought the rims were really tight, as the home team struggled with their free throws, too. Almost everything that hit the rims bounced out, especially free throws.

We lost the game in the first five minutes of the second half, when we went from a two point lead to a seven point deficit. We played down six or seven for a long time in that half. In such a defensive game, it's really hard to make a run and make it stick. That deficit was huge, took so much defensive effort to work it down. With our lack of offensive weaponry, seven points looked like twenty. That our kids fought back and didn't quit when they got behind by that much without an offense was a very good sign for the season ahead.

We need Maymon. With him we are a top team, and we win games like this.

Oh, yeah! That Georgetown defense really affected the Vols free throw shooting! Look, it is good to be optimistic and support one's team, but to totally ignore warts is not going to make them less attractive or go away. The first step in fixing anything is to recognize the problem. The problem is obvious. Our coach wants "atheletes" (intentionally incorrectly spelled for emphasis). This means he wants people who are "long" and can run and jump. He overlooks the necessity of a college basketball player to put the ball in the hoop with some degree of consistency. He could shoot, so he assumes that anyone can. He is wrong. It is something one can improve, but the raw talent is there or it is not. Defense and rebounding are much, much easier to improve with effort and desire than shooting.

oldster writes:

in response to decades_vol:

Many people, aside from Orange fans, probably turned the game because they had listen to all the Hoya hugs from the play-by-play announcer and Bobby Knight. They sounded like a couple of Hoya homers. A lot of "easy misses" by the Hoyas turned out to be good defense by the Vols, along with some ownership of the glass by Tenn. Knight admitted a couple of times, though, that Tenn was playing good defense, just to be fair. I just didn't hear nearly as much about about the Vol's effort in a one-point game. Maybe this is just me, though. Guess the Vols will have to earn more respect in some upcoming games.

TN did play good defense. However, the Hoyas got more quality shots at the basket than the Vols. They missed many of them. The Vols could not get good shots. They simply could not get the ball inside and when they did the ball got stripped. After watching this game, any team that plays man defense against the Vols should be fired on the spot.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

I was at the game tonite. People on here who are badmouthing this team and coach are way off base. Georgetown is a QUALITY defensive team - extremely well coached in defense, and extremely long and talented defenders. That was one of the best zone defenses I've ever seen. They took away our inside game and still left no open shots at the three point line. Very physical and very active - unusual qualities for a zone. When you combine that with our loss of Maymon, and our lack of more than one outside shooter (they were all over McBee. They were on him like white on rice), it made for a tough, tough game. There were no open shots to be found. There were no open passing lanes. entry passes were hard to make.

On the other hand, our defense - with smaller and less talented players - was even more effective than theirs. The effort these kids gave (except for Hall) was something to be proud of. You just don't waltz in there and beat Georgetown on their home floor. Their record in that gym is terrific against a lot of quality foes. That we had a great chance to win this one at the end was testimony to a lot of grit on this team and excellent coaching.

With Maymon out - and even if he is in there - we simply don't have the offensive players to expect sterling offensive performances against tough defensive teams like Gtown. One thing disappointing to me was to see Hall was completely outclassed. I don't understand how he ever got a four star recruit rating. He is a senior and the Gtown sophomores were schooling him. Bad feet, bad hands, lacks quickness, anticipation, etc. If maymon is in this game we win it cause they couldn't double and triple down on Stokes. With Hall in there, they didn't have to worry about him at all. Yemi was no different. Chievous is too small to play with their forwards. The truth is that we don't have the depth inside that we thought we would have this year. Maymon being out hurts this team like hell.

The lack of free throw shooting was very frustrating. We make two more and we win, one more and maybe we win. I thought the rims were really tight, as the home team struggled with their free throws, too. Almost everything that hit the rims bounced out, especially free throws.

We lost the game in the first five minutes of the second half, when we went from a two point lead to a seven point deficit. We played down six or seven for a long time in that half. In such a defensive game, it's really hard to make a run and make it stick. That deficit was huge, took so much defensive effort to work it down. With our lack of offensive weaponry, seven points looked like twenty. That our kids fought back and didn't quit when they got behind by that much without an offense was a very good sign for the season ahead.

We need Maymon. With him we are a top team, and we win games like this.

Great analysis. Without Maymon everything is different. Hall should have been the breather for Maymon and Stokes. Makanjuola just is not ready with his limited background.

That said we'll never beat a zone just dancing around the key. I don't think we'll see any more zones even close to this one though. Actually with that "two more" free throws we'd have "beaten" this zone.

tan007 writes:

in response to VinylVols:

Most of everyone on here should be ashamed of themselves. So much negativity.

They played a top ranked team close and we have one of the best defensive teams in the league. One shot goes differently and we win it. No one on these forums can ever be satisfied, what are we supposed to go 29-0? Too many high expectations.

And please never compare this basketball team to the football team... never.

I agree with you completely! This basketball team is exciting to watch & are greatly improved over last year & YES we do miss Maymon. They are NOT like the football team & it is ridiculous to even put them in the same paragraph or forum. I will be looking forward to the next game & this team should hold their heads high because they went out of town & played a top notch team right down to the wire. Georgetown coach said it was ugly, I think he meant he was extremely nervous that he was going to get beat.

mborokyvol writes:

in response to lomas98:

I would not have felt any better even if we won 38-37. Just a horrible game to watch. JTIII wasn't happy with his team although they won. Opportunities to win although we were playing awful. I do think our defense was great and obviously kept us in the game. Stokes with 3 shots should never happen but we just couldn't get him the ball. Just goes to show we still don't have players with good basketball iq and we just don't have a consistent shooter to make teams pay for zoning us. Need to worry about Virginia next and get a non conference win.

If McReigh's shot goes in at the buzzer, you would've felt better! Trust me! Unless you prefer not beating a top twenty team on the road. What the h... are you talking about? This team has got to win anyway they can without Maymon. Even if Jeronne comes back, how long will it take him to get sharp? And don't be surprised if JM doesn't make it back at all!

johnlg00 writes:

in response to 1vavolfan:

Last 5 possessions 3 turnovers and 3 missed shots. Got to question those last 2 shots, Stokes has got to touch the ball there. I can't believe that is the best play Martin has to call to win the game. Anybody else notice Kenny Hall under the basket wide open on that last play?

I certainly did! I can only assume that the play was to try to get the outside shot, but the guards don't have the confidence and/or experience to go for it if a better alternative appears. As I have said before, the Vols will look bad against zones until they put Stokes at the foul line where he can step out to screen the perimeter defenders, be more available for passes than he is under the hoop, and has the shoot-drive-pass option every time he gets it there.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to eduardo:

Got to have Golden penetrate the zone. Would of opened things up a little bit. 3 possessions inside of a minute to play and dont get the ball down on the blocks. You have a stud in Stokes he should touch the ball in those situations.

Golden has yet to learn that a decent PG has to play the game on the floor. He has to keep his dribble alive and PICK his way through the defense instead of leaving his feet so soon and trying to throw no-chance passes before he lands for a traveling violation. I love his little floater shots in the lane, and he is the best we have at taking it all the way to the hoop in the transition. But he cannot continue to just take off from too far out against a set defense, not knowing in advance whether he is going to shoot it or pass it.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to jt45:

Embarrassing to say the least, however Georgetown looked just as bad . Still based on what ive seen of a few SEC teams this year UT should finish near the top. They need Maymon back ASAP.

Pretty much agree. The SEC hasn't been too imposing so far. Florida looks to be the best of an undistinguished lot. The Vols' defense will keep them in most games, but the offense, especially against zone, just HAS to get better.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to tan007:

Does anyone know when or if Maymon is coming back? I haven't heard a report on him in a long time.

Somebody on another thread posted that Maymon was seen leaving Pratt Pavillion on crutches earlier in the week. Not a good sign if true. The Vols can win with the team as it is, IF they can figure out how to muster a somewhat reliable offense.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to AHOUSE:

Two more free throws and 90% of the negative posters would not be on here. Some people have a bad day every day.

Worse yet, some of the Debby Downers can't have a GOOD day unless they can cause OTHERS to have a BAD day! Not a pretty game, for sure, but lots of positives to take away.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to decades_vol:

Many people, aside from Orange fans, probably turned the game because they had listen to all the Hoya hugs from the play-by-play announcer and Bobby Knight. They sounded like a couple of Hoya homers. A lot of "easy misses" by the Hoyas turned out to be good defense by the Vols, along with some ownership of the glass by Tenn. Knight admitted a couple of times, though, that Tenn was playing good defense, just to be fair. I just didn't hear nearly as much about about the Vol's effort in a one-point game. Maybe this is just me, though. Guess the Vols will have to earn more respect in some upcoming games.

Yeah, it was pretty much a G'town lovefest on the broadcast. Of course, Big John Thompson, father of the G'town coach, is a long-time friend of Knight's. To his credit, Knight did try to find some good things to say about the Vols, but the general tone of the broadcast was, IMHO, about how the Vols just uglied up the game, with way more said about their failures than G'town's almost equal failures. The fact is that the Vols still have to earn national respect, and the only way to do that is to WIN some of these tough games against good competition.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to hikerdude:

He has a four star guard.

Well, he has a four-star SHOOTING guard who is TRYING to play point guard. Trey has plenty of talent, but he just doesn't have the instincts and fundamentals of a true point guard.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to oldster:

TN did play good defense. However, the Hoyas got more quality shots at the basket than the Vols. They missed many of them. The Vols could not get good shots. They simply could not get the ball inside and when they did the ball got stripped. After watching this game, any team that plays man defense against the Vols should be fired on the spot.

The Hoyas did get more shots close to the basket, but most of those were off-balance or rushed because of the effort expended just to get them off. IMHO, the reason the Vols had so many turnovers was that Golden made about four no-chance passes because he was flying through the air and HAD to pass it. Also, any decent defense, whether zone or man, is GOING to try to gang up on Stokes down on the block. He would be much more effective, again JMO, if they stationed him on the foul line. They could get the ball to him more easily and he would have far more options if he got it there than when he is smothered inside. Let Hall be the main one underneath where if he does get it, he is only a step away from a dunk; he is a much better leaper than Stokes, but Stokes has a more varied offensive repertoire.

AHOUSE writes:

in response to johnlg00:

Worse yet, some of the Debby Downers can't have a GOOD day unless they can cause OTHERS to have a BAD day! Not a pretty game, for sure, but lots of positives to take away.

Agree John. I will be taking a short trip over to charlottlesville Wed. night to see this so called bad team with the same effort beat the Wahoos. Maybe coach will have them warm up and just shot 3's and free throws before the game. My UVA friend I play with and against twice a week will be beside me.

samvol writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

I was at the game tonite. People on here who are badmouthing this team and coach are way off base. Georgetown is a QUALITY defensive team - extremely well coached in defense, and extremely long and talented defenders. That was one of the best zone defenses I've ever seen. They took away our inside game and still left no open shots at the three point line. Very physical and very active - unusual qualities for a zone. When you combine that with our loss of Maymon, and our lack of more than one outside shooter (they were all over McBee. They were on him like white on rice), it made for a tough, tough game. There were no open shots to be found. There were no open passing lanes. entry passes were hard to make.

On the other hand, our defense - with smaller and less talented players - was even more effective than theirs. The effort these kids gave (except for Hall) was something to be proud of. You just don't waltz in there and beat Georgetown on their home floor. Their record in that gym is terrific against a lot of quality foes. That we had a great chance to win this one at the end was testimony to a lot of grit on this team and excellent coaching.

With Maymon out - and even if he is in there - we simply don't have the offensive players to expect sterling offensive performances against tough defensive teams like Gtown. One thing disappointing to me was to see Hall was completely outclassed. I don't understand how he ever got a four star recruit rating. He is a senior and the Gtown sophomores were schooling him. Bad feet, bad hands, lacks quickness, anticipation, etc. If maymon is in this game we win it cause they couldn't double and triple down on Stokes. With Hall in there, they didn't have to worry about him at all. Yemi was no different. Chievous is too small to play with their forwards. The truth is that we don't have the depth inside that we thought we would have this year. Maymon being out hurts this team like hell.

The lack of free throw shooting was very frustrating. We make two more and we win, one more and maybe we win. I thought the rims were really tight, as the home team struggled with their free throws, too. Almost everything that hit the rims bounced out, especially free throws.

We lost the game in the first five minutes of the second half, when we went from a two point lead to a seven point deficit. We played down six or seven for a long time in that half. In such a defensive game, it's really hard to make a run and make it stick. That deficit was huge, took so much defensive effort to work it down. With our lack of offensive weaponry, seven points looked like twenty. That our kids fought back and didn't quit when they got behind by that much without an offense was a very good sign for the season ahead.

We need Maymon. With him we are a top team, and we win games like this.

maybe you should coach and play. the vols held a ranked GT to below 40 points.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to OrangeAndBlueWaffles88:

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How are you guys against the zone?

Never mind. Good luck this year. Last year you didn't do that well against UT. Ohh that's right you never have(in bball). Didn't UT beat Horford and co. at least a coupla times?

VolunteerLifer writes:

in response to johnlg00:

The Hoyas did get more shots close to the basket, but most of those were off-balance or rushed because of the effort expended just to get them off. IMHO, the reason the Vols had so many turnovers was that Golden made about four no-chance passes because he was flying through the air and HAD to pass it. Also, any decent defense, whether zone or man, is GOING to try to gang up on Stokes down on the block. He would be much more effective, again JMO, if they stationed him on the foul line. They could get the ball to him more easily and he would have far more options if he got it there than when he is smothered inside. Let Hall be the main one underneath where if he does get it, he is only a step away from a dunk; he is a much better leaper than Stokes, but Stokes has a more varied offensive repertoire.

Being there, I can tell you that the Gtown zone denied Golden penetration at every turn. For most of the game, he played it on the floor and tried to penetrate, pass under control, etc. But the defense was so good, combined with what you observe - his lack of true pg instincts and abilities - that he was ineffective. Early in the end half - if memory serves me - he began to create turnovers as you described, playing out of control. It was obvious he was trying to make something happen - but the defense was too tight to allow that and he just played right into their hands.

As you say, Trae is not a true point guard. However, he plays much more under control this year than last, and he plays well enough for us to beat all but the best teams. His defense has improved by bucket loads. Martin has done a very good job with him. He is not the reason we lost this game.

The reason we lost is because we do not have the offensive talent an firepower to defeat a defense as good as G-town's. You have to understand that Gtown put 6'8" guys on the perimeter of that zone. There were zero open shots at the three point line. Without Maymon, their height and length allowed them to do anything they wanted with Stokes. Attempt to reverse the ball against that zone were unsuccessful, as the zone shifted very quickly from side to side, etc. Gtown exposed our lack of offensive talent, our lack of inside depth, and our lack of Maymon. They also exposed Ken Hall as nothing more than a true bench player, unable to play with the big boys for more than two or three minutes at a time.

Being there with a good vantage point makes all the difference. You see much more than you do on TV.

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

in response to VinylVols:

Most of everyone on here should be ashamed of themselves. So much negativity.

They played a top ranked team close and we have one of the best defensive teams in the league. One shot goes differently and we win it. No one on these forums can ever be satisfied, what are we supposed to go 29-0? Too many high expectations.

And please never compare this basketball team to the football team... never.

Iam thrilled with the defense but this is 2 games out of the last 4 with the worst shooting Ive seen in forever..Tourney contenders CANNOT go one the road and shoot 27%!! That has to get fixed and NOW!! This game and OSU were nothing short of embarrassing from a shooting stand point

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to OrangeAndBlueWaffles88:

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hehe I'd be alright with that actually. At least an SEC something. It'd be great if we picked an NC to beat you guys again.hehe

mocsandvolsfan writes:

PS. I don't think it'll be Kentucky.

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