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DaleCarter18 writes:

Bray is 6-foot-6 with a big arm and a quick release, and has a slew of 300-yard passing games behind him

Did you watch any games this year John???

Quick release?!? That "quick release," requires a HUGE wind-up, that cost us many a fumble. Clowney and the SC game comes to mind. Bray's got a cannon, and unlimited potential, which I truly hope he reaches, but no one could watch that kid sling a ball and conclude that his release even resembles "quick."

MORON

volbike writes:

Unfortunately those teams of the 90's were not a player or two short of making runs for the NC. They had the talent as evidenced by the ranking of the recruiting classes and the top ranking of playe ultimately playing on Sunday.
What we lacked was player development and on the field coaching!!

CommodoreCapital writes:

in response to bkwats2003#237114:

Sorry Vol fans, but CP stopped going to class months ago. He couldn't return if he wanted to.

I doubt the team wants Bray back. He is considered an arrogant cry baby and not a team leader at all. I'm sick of these Cali QBs

Agreed. Even if UT had made a bowl game CP wouldn't have been eligible. He has a shot to stick around in the NFL if he keeps his head on straight.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS!! I'm speaking to ones that want Bray to leave. First off 4 year senior starters at QB with not much talent are a commodity. Bray has a ton of talent and SEC experience. His first years he had no OL, last year he had no defense. Bray is the first NFL talent since Peyton Manning. You idots wished away Bryce brown, OKU, Janzen Jackson,DaRick Rodgers, Aaron Douglas all NFL caliber talents and look at the dissaster called UT football. You better hope every ounce of talent stays to compete with the Big Boys again. Experience can't be replaced and Bray has more than any returning QB in the SEC. Grow up and realize that 55mph arms dont grow on trees. And quit bashing kids who decide to proceed with their careers. It's their life to lead and their God given talent.

Best post you ever made. I agree 100%. With fans like a lot of these, the Vols don't need enemies.

Give em heII Butch!

dragon18 writes:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS!! I'm speaking to ones that want Bray to leave. First off 4 year senior starters at QB with not much talent are a commodity. Bray has a ton of talent and SEC experience. His first years he had no OL, last year he had no defense. Bray is the first NFL talent since Peyton Manning. You idots wished away Bryce brown, OKU, Janzen Jackson,DaRick Rodgers, Aaron Douglas all NFL caliber talents and look at the dissaster called UT football. You better hope every ounce of talent stays to compete with the Big Boys again. Experience can't be replaced and Bray has more than any returning QB in the SEC. Grow up and realize that 55mph arms dont grow on trees. And quit bashing kids who decide to proceed with their careers. It's their life to lead and their God given talent.

A rarity, but I agree with you. Anybody that says these kids didn't do anything, don't have talent and Tennessee doesn't need them next year are simply out of their freaking mind or ignorant about the game and talent. Quit thinking these kids owe you anything. I remember talking to one of Tennessee's greatest receivers ever about his choice to leave early and he really cleared it up for me. He said, "Greg, If I was a computer science major and I was approached by IBM and offered a million dollars to come work for them my junior year, people would tell me I was stupid if I didn't go. But because I play football people around here hate me for the choice I made." Pretty succinct, don't you think? Grow up people, these kids are making career choices and don't owe you jack-phooey!

pcshowtime writes:

in response to tennesseeduke:

They don't play defense! CDD made a bad hire and decision to go 3-4 with SS. Imagine if the defense would been in the top 35 like last years? We'd be 10-2 and headed to a big bowl game and CDD would still be coaching. Offense was great and CDD was here. Look at it for what it was and stop bashing CDD it's over.

GBO

Tennesseeduke

Tennesseeduke
CDD deserves every bit of the bashing he gets as is evident by the bridges he burned with high school coaches in the area and how much harder this team played for chaney when he was fired. Should have been let go earlier. That being said he is gone and the future looks bright.

ktownorange32 writes:

First off lemme say i am an advocate of all student athletes staying and getting their degrees. Only a marginal amount of players make it in the NFL and to be honest it's a guess with all 3 of them, JH TB and CP. I've seen better college talent in the past fail miserably in the NFL. Look at heisman winners. Very few heisman winner turn out to be good let alone elite at the next level.... that being said, from CBJ's stand point, i think the only returner i would want would be CP because he could fit into a fast paced spread very well. CBJ told us what we needed to hear at the press conference about molding his scheme around the talent available but reality is he knows he has a short amount of time to prove himself and he wants HIS system and style of play in place as soon as possible and TB and JH (love em both) don't fit. If CBJ continues his offense here he needs a mobile quarterback and shifty short yardage receivers that can make plays after the catch, not deep route runners. CP would do wonders for himself to stay because his style would fit beautifully into CBJ's scheme. I have back read and don't know the truth as to his not going to classes and what not tho

pcshowtime writes:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS!! I'm speaking to ones that want Bray to leave. First off 4 year senior starters at QB with not much talent are a commodity. Bray has a ton of talent and SEC experience. His first years he had no OL, last year he had no defense. Bray is the first NFL talent since Peyton Manning. You idots wished away Bryce brown, OKU, Janzen Jackson,DaRick Rodgers, Aaron Douglas all NFL caliber talents and look at the dissaster called UT football. You better hope every ounce of talent stays to compete with the Big Boys again. Experience can't be replaced and Bray has more than any returning QB in the SEC. Grow up and realize that 55mph arms dont grow on trees. And quit bashing kids who decide to proceed with their careers. It's their life to lead and their God given talent.

very well said about brey. I still say if he had more coaching he would have been number one overall pick this year. players are made from super recruits.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to tennesseeduke:

They don't play defense! CDD made a bad hire and decision to go 3-4 with SS. Imagine if the defense would been in the top 35 like last years? We'd be 10-2 and headed to a big bowl game and CDD would still be coaching. Offense was great and CDD was here. Look at it for what it was and stop bashing CDD it's over.

GBO

Tennesseeduke

Imagine if Wilcox was here, wait he was and UT finished 5-7 also.

This theory Wilcox D would have been any better is just silly when he was here UT just got blown out differently by teams running it right up the gut and milking the clock out. He did nothing at Washington this year and he is earning a reputation as nothing more than a prevent defense guy, nothing special and nothing to really brag about.

HighPlainsVol writes:

in response to fearthehound:

Someimes. Sometmes 5 stars don't pan out, same with 4 stars and sometimes 3 stars turn in to super stars. You go out and recruit the best you can--it's a phooey shoot.

True, nothing is guaranteed, but I'll take a team of 4/5* against a team of 3* everytime. I fully understand that 3* guys sometimes become great players and 4/5* can be arrogant, trouble-making, flops, but I'll play the percentages.

62vol writes:

in response to mdvol:

Imagine if Hunter, Bray and Patterson had a coach other than Derek Dooley.

They were plenty good enough and coached good enough. It was the defense that lost the games.
In the stadium in live action, the offense was impressive. The defense was horrible.
The defense had a no hit rule in practice sessions to prevent further injuries that carried over into the games. In live action, you could see them playing as if it were flag football and not selling out to explode plays. This was not as plain to see on TV. There is talent enough and speed enough for next year under new coaching to play
smack'em in the snot-locker football.
They looked slow because they were standing still when the plays went by them.

huntined#565710 writes:

Anyone know anything about recruits we had 17 now we have 14 down to number 42 on Rivals. If we lose the big 3 we lose any chance to win 6 next year..Just not hearing anything on who they are after and have not heard anyone commit to TENN. THOUGHT MAYBE SOME OF YOU HAS SOME INFO FOR US.

GOJO writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Imagine another blowout next yr in Tuscaloosa and CNS is not going anywhere....regardless of what happens in January the Tide will have a great chance of another championship in 2013.

Got 23 skippy? Hill NO but 13 is a DISTANT second place. Roll Tide

****************

'Round the bowl,
Down the hole,
ROLLS the tide.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to DaleCarter18:

Bray is 6-foot-6 with a big arm and a quick release, and has a slew of 300-yard passing games behind him

Did you watch any games this year John???

Quick release?!? That "quick release," requires a HUGE wind-up, that cost us many a fumble. Clowney and the SC game comes to mind. Bray's got a cannon, and unlimited potential, which I truly hope he reaches, but no one could watch that kid sling a ball and conclude that his release even resembles "quick."

MORON

Ok. Clowney got to him about 1/100 of a second before his arm was going forward, and he got stripped trying to get a few yards on one of the last drives of the Georgia game. How many fumbles qualifies as "many a fumble?"

Those two may have been costly and memorable, but he didn't fumble a lot. You probably think Arian Foster fumbled a lot too.

ktownorange32 writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Anyone know anything about recruits we had 17 now we have 14 down to number 42 on Rivals. If we lose the big 3 we lose any chance to win 6 next year..Just not hearing anything on who they are after and have not heard anyone commit to TENN. THOUGHT MAYBE SOME OF YOU HAS SOME INFO FOR US.

Just go to the ESPN website. They have a full listing of committs and listing of players we have made offers to and players that have us on consideration list

higgman55 writes:

Adams talks of Manning, Hell he does this like all Peyton lovers do, and FORGETS WHO WAS THE BEST QB! THE MAN WHO LEAD US TO A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, AND THAT IS NO OTHER, BUT TEE MARTIN!! The kindda QB we need now! Give me a TEE!!

DaleCarter18 writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

Ok. Clowney got to him about 1/100 of a second before his arm was going forward, and he got stripped trying to get a few yards on one of the last drives of the Georgia game. How many fumbles qualifies as "many a fumble?"

Those two may have been costly and memorable, but he didn't fumble a lot. You probably think Arian Foster fumbled a lot too.

One fumble is too many:). You're right. Those were crucial plays, thus perhaps more memorable than frequent. Dude had a SUPER huge wind-up that should NEVER be referred to as quick. And yes, Arian did fumble too much. Auburn game in particular, was a good example of his ball security. Ainge sealing our fate against LSU in ATL is the what I remember the MOST about his time here. Fair or not, it's the big moments/plays that define a player.

TNVol71 writes:

Understand that Hunter is gone, but would love to see what Bray and Patterson can do with better running backs and a senior offensive line. If they come back and Coach Jones gets a half decent defense, we could do some good stuff in 2013. Go Vols!!

tnbigg writes:

in response to vol_in_lsu_land:

"I think some of y'all miss the point when it comes to what this new coaching staff brings to the table."

Maybe

oldster writes:

Who is this column about? I cannot remember anyone who filled a uniform at UT, but did nothing to help the Vols win. He is only important as any other human is important to me - no more, no less. Good luck, but I do not care.

oldster writes:

in response to fearthehound:

Someimes. Sometmes 5 stars don't pan out, same with 4 stars and sometimes 3 stars turn in to super stars. You go out and recruit the best you can--it's a phooey shoot.

Johnny Football was a three star recruit just year before last.

laraccoon writes:

in response to higgman55:

Adams talks of Manning, Hell he does this like all Peyton lovers do, and FORGETS WHO WAS THE BEST QB! THE MAN WHO LEAD US TO A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, AND THAT IS NO OTHER, BUT TEE MARTIN!! The kindda QB we need now! Give me a TEE!!

"LEAD" isnt that the stuff in pencils and old paint ? Tee was a great QB , i wont argue with that but it takes a TEAM of good players to win it all .and Clint Stoerner helped alot .

VolAtUGA11 writes:

Imagine a positive article written by John Adams. Some people say I'm a dreamer...or delusional.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to DaleCarter18:

Bray is 6-foot-6 with a big arm and a quick release, and has a slew of 300-yard passing games behind him

Did you watch any games this year John???

Quick release?!? That "quick release," requires a HUGE wind-up, that cost us many a fumble. Clowney and the SC game comes to mind. Bray's got a cannon, and unlimited potential, which I truly hope he reaches, but no one could watch that kid sling a ball and conclude that his release even resembles "quick."

MORON

Quick release does not mean the time it takes for the arm to go through the throwing motion. It refers to the time the QB takes to decide to throw.

Want to see a long wind up throw? Watch clips of Randall Cunningham when he played for the Philly Eagles.

jesusvol4 writes:

CP played hard, regardless of ALL the other phases of the game collapsing around him. THAT was WHAT impressed me MOST about him. I am sure the other teams, and those NFL scouts were taking notice of THAT as well. However, that being said, he is still with us til he SAYS he wishes to move on to the next stage of his life. College football only comes ONCE in a LIFETIME. I am sure CP is weighing out his decision. He KNOWS he is WELCOME to STAY with us at UT. Good luck CP, whatever you decide.

Tru138 writes:

Don't understand why so many (VOL?) fans are so quick to malign these kids for the opportunity to go pro. Most of us would jump at a chance like that if we were good enough to ever get it. Hunter, by all accounts, seems like a good kid, not a head case, not a trouble maker. Heck, he blew his knee out for the Vols, underwent painful surgery and a lot of painful re-hab, then came back to play. Seems to me he's certainly earned the right to make his own choice, the choice he sees as being best for he and his family. Same with Patterson and Bray. Patterson was a blur, but he sure was fun to watch while it lasted, wasn't he? I'd like to see all of them back for my own selfish reasons, but no way I'm gonna bag on them for leaving. I hope they're all successful and get rich doing it.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to pcshowtime:

very well said about brey. I still say if he had more coaching he would have been number one overall pick this year. players are made from super recruits.

Agreed. Look what a little coaching did for Jon Crompton.

off topic: Someone on VN started a thread saying the Vols should buy out the Oregon game to keep from a major butt whupping on TV & help get to some podunk minor bowl.
This kind of thinking really ticks me off. Play the game, if the Vols lose big, so be it. Upsets do happen. A buy out says one thing "CHICKEN" not the message we want to send to recruits or anyone else. The SEC gets enought flack for cupcake out of conference games as it is.
What do some of you think? Maybe KNS can do one of those polls they like so much on this.

Give em heII Butch!

laraccoon writes:

in response to Tru138:

Don't understand why so many (VOL?) fans are so quick to malign these kids for the opportunity to go pro. Most of us would jump at a chance like that if we were good enough to ever get it. Hunter, by all accounts, seems like a good kid, not a head case, not a trouble maker. Heck, he blew his knee out for the Vols, underwent painful surgery and a lot of painful re-hab, then came back to play. Seems to me he's certainly earned the right to make his own choice, the choice he sees as being best for he and his family. Same with Patterson and Bray. Patterson was a blur, but he sure was fun to watch while it lasted, wasn't he? I'd like to see all of them back for my own selfish reasons, but no way I'm gonna bag on them for leaving. I hope they're all successful and get rich doing it.

well put , i think most normal people would agree with you , and the haters are either jealous of these young men or bitter about their own lives and dont want anybody else to succeed . who knows for sure but it is pathetic !

DaleCarter18 writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

Quick release does not mean the time it takes for the arm to go through the throwing motion. It refers to the time the QB takes to decide to throw.

Want to see a long wind up throw? Watch clips of Randall Cunningham when he played for the Philly Eagles.

Quick release DOES NOT refer to the time it takes a qb to "decide," to throw the ball.

Quick release refers to how quickly he releases the ball from his hand. A QB with a compact throwing motion and "quick release from his hand." There, I even used it in a sentence for you.

This isn't even debatable. But thanks for letting me clear that up for you.

Cousin_Eddie writes:

Thanks to Jimmy Cheek's rules of starting your GPA from scratch after tranferring from a JUCO instead of allowing JUCO grades to be included in your overall GPA like the majority of the SEC does, Patterson couldn't come back to UT if he wanted to. Cheek's policies closed the door on his return.

HighPlainsVol writes:

in response to higgman55:

Adams talks of Manning, Hell he does this like all Peyton lovers do, and FORGETS WHO WAS THE BEST QB! THE MAN WHO LEAD US TO A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, AND THAT IS NO OTHER, BUT TEE MARTIN!! The kindda QB we need now! Give me a TEE!!

Peyton got us to a NC game against Nebraska and he was more instrumental in that season's success than Tee was in 98. Do you think Tee would have fared any better in that Nebraska game? Besides Peyton won the biggest game of all. How many NFL games did Tee start? Peyton is the greatest QB of all time.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to fearthehound:

Oh look, the 19th century moral morons at KNS invented a new Vegas term--phooey shoot.

This isn't new; they've been doing that for years. Sometimes it's pretty funny, but at least we don't have profanity all over the board, a welcome change from some I've seen. I'm no prude but I try to keep my language clean most of the time and don't really care to hear/read that of others.

fearthehound writes:

in response to VolAtUGA11:

Imagine a positive article written by John Adams. Some people say I'm a dreamer...or delusional.

But you're not the only one.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS!! I'm speaking to ones that want Bray to leave. First off 4 year senior starters at QB with not much talent are a commodity. Bray has a ton of talent and SEC experience. His first years he had no OL, last year he had no defense. Bray is the first NFL talent since Peyton Manning. You idots wished away Bryce brown, OKU, Janzen Jackson,DaRick Rodgers, Aaron Douglas all NFL caliber talents and look at the dissaster called UT football. You better hope every ounce of talent stays to compete with the Big Boys again. Experience can't be replaced and Bray has more than any returning QB in the SEC. Grow up and realize that 55mph arms dont grow on trees. And quit bashing kids who decide to proceed with their careers. It's their life to lead and their God given talent.

This is one of your favorite rants, but hardly ANY of us "wished" those guys away! They were either head cases or outright disciplinary problems. Might they have behaved themselves better under different coaches? Possibly, but it is also possible that they just didn't fit in with major college football, either. Some people may actively WANT the "big three" to go on, but most of us are simply resigned to the likely fact that they will go. Personally, I don't see why they would want to stick around. Everything will be different with the program. Lots of people have trouble coping with different situations even if the changes are overall for the better. Even if they did come back, chances are the team wouldn't be any better, all things considered, and some fans would carp that they hadn't improved and they might in fact get hurt or underperform. If they want to go, there is nothing any of us can do to stop them, so we wish them luck, thank them for what they did accomplish, and see what the new staff can do next year with the ones who didn't get a full shot last year.

RollTideJoe writes:

in response to DaleCarter18:

Bray is 6-foot-6 with a big arm and a quick release, and has a slew of 300-yard passing games behind him

Did you watch any games this year John???

Quick release?!? That "quick release," requires a HUGE wind-up, that cost us many a fumble. Clowney and the SC game comes to mind. Bray's got a cannon, and unlimited potential, which I truly hope he reaches, but no one could watch that kid sling a ball and conclude that his release even resembles "quick."

MORON

Sorry, but Bray never did squat against quality compeititon. He has no scramble versatility, panics when there's a rush and bails out. He only looked good against weak opponents. And, as you know, he was a spoiled baby that couldn't keep his act straight or be a leader on his team. He will never make it in the NFL.

movol77 writes:

Patterson type players are rare. He is phenomenal. I would love to see him play another year in Knoxville, but he will be a star in the NFL too.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to CummingVol:

I'm not saying you're wrong; however, it's a sad commentary for the mindset of college athletes. No wonder there's no loyalty, when everyone tells them they are crazy to stay. There is greater tenure and loyalty to PRO teams in this current climate. These guys take a scholarship and then -- when it works out the way everyone hopes -- they bolt. No wonder so many athletes end up broken and destitute.

As long as the coaches can leave any time they wish with no repercussions, why should only the players stay "loyal"? If the NFL or any other form of pro football didn't exist, then these guys would all have to stay to get the degree that would then be the only real reason why they had to put up with all the hard work, loss of personal time, and risk of life-changing injury. But we DO live in a world with the NFL, and most of these guys grow up dreaming of playing in it. The colleges are in the position of having to hope that enough guys with that kind of talent choose to come there and give whatever they have to give for as long as they care to give it at that level. And that's just the way it is, no matter what we fans might ideally prefer.

utvolorange writes:

in response to HighPlainsVol:

Peyton got us to a NC game against Nebraska and he was more instrumental in that season's success than Tee was in 98. Do you think Tee would have fared any better in that Nebraska game? Besides Peyton won the biggest game of all. How many NFL games did Tee start? Peyton is the greatest QB of all time.

the pro style quarterback doesnt work in college you got to have a quarterback that has a little mobility. Look at all the real good quarterbacks in the NFL that have won super bowls not to many of them won college championships if hardly any.and yes tee would have done better against nebraska peytons non mobility against nebraska hurt ut, I agree peyton is definetly one of the greatest qbs of all time but a good nfl potential qb doesnt make you a championship qb in college.

PeytonWM18 writes:

You can't begrudge Patterson a chance of a lifetime in the NFL. I just hope he drops to the final pick in the first round, the Denver Broncos.

Peyton to Patterson, indeed!

Whew.

SevenT writes:

Patterson, Bray and Hunter all have NFL Bust / Flop written all over their faces. Being a hot dog and running up numbers against Akron or Buffalo ain't the NFL

Just Sayin'

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Vol_in_Mich:

Agreed. Look what a little coaching did for Jon Crompton.

off topic: Someone on VN started a thread saying the Vols should buy out the Oregon game to keep from a major butt whupping on TV & help get to some podunk minor bowl.
This kind of thinking really ticks me off. Play the game, if the Vols lose big, so be it. Upsets do happen. A buy out says one thing "CHICKEN" not the message we want to send to recruits or anyone else. The SEC gets enought flack for cupcake out of conference games as it is.
What do some of you think? Maybe KNS can do one of those polls they like so much on this.

Give em heII Butch!

I agree that UT shouldn't buy out the Oregon game. I'm afraid they'll beat us like a drum, but we have NO chance to pull a program-changing upset if we don't play them. Besides, it's not like Oregon doesn't blow out darn near everybody ELSE they play, but they CAN be had. I have lived in North Carolina for the last 10 years and I know I was mortified when UT bought out the UNC game. Schedule the best so you can beat the best! If you aren't up to it, get better! Face challenges like men!

volman2008 writes:

in response to mdvol:

Imagine if Hunter, Bray and Patterson had a coach other than Derek Dooley.

yea,they all might have been at TEXAS.

arkansasvol1975 writes:

Making millions of dollars is hard to pass up, when you can always come back and get your degree. But to make millions, you have to be a 1st round pick. I don't see either of the 3 being a 1st round pick. Hunter maybe a 2nd round but Bray and Patterson are 3rd-5th ound picks as far as I can see it. Look at the recent 1st round picks being recievers.....Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, and Michael Floyd. They all had steller careers at their schools, almost even being a one man show when they are on the field. Hunter was on his way to being that until he got hurt, he had a ok season this year, but nothing that warrants a 1st round pick. Look at ALL the dropped balls he had. Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon were both beast at Oklahoma State. Hunter seems to play 80% and takes off and is afraid of getting hurt.
Patterson only has had 1 season at a Div. 1 school and he had a decent year. He failed to show up in big games and dropped balls as well. I remember the pass he dropped against Bama that would of been a touchdown. Big time players show up in big time games. He has the speed and the tools, but is raw talent not yet deserving of 1st round. Heck everyone runs a 4.4 forty in the NFL even defensive linemen. What I hear, Patterson's school grades are in question so I don't see him coming back. Unfortunitly, I see Patterson only being a special teams player in the NFL.
Bray is a gunslinger, but lacks what every QB must have. The ability to read defenses. He gets rattled too easy and makes poor throws when he is rattled. Once defenses caught on to what makes him rattled, it was over for him. He needs a good QB coach to teach him defenses. I see him being like a Eric Ainge, only making it 1 or 2 years in NFL and then getting released. He is the one that needs the extra year most of all.

budd#207344 writes:

in response to Cousin_Eddie:

Thanks to Jimmy Cheek's rules of starting your GPA from scratch after tranferring from a JUCO instead of allowing JUCO grades to be included in your overall GPA like the majority of the SEC does, Patterson couldn't come back to UT if he wanted to. Cheek's policies closed the door on his return.

Cheek's policies had nothing to do with it . He didn't go to class so he didn't qualify for the semester. Just like every other player and school in America

69grad writes:

in response to pingkr62:

If they all decide to leave, good luck to them. When a door closes, another opens. This could help U.T. gain some unexpected commitments. G.B.O.!!!

I think you are dead on. Some of the hottest recruits may have been a little put off by the presence of those guys. Now they can see an opening if they have talent. GBO.

69'grad

WHen writes:

Hey an Adams article tha I actually enjoyed and didn't feel like I got kicked in the gut in the last paragraph. Good read.

tomkats3242 writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

Patterson will not stay, if for no other reason, I understand his academic prowess is -- say, questionable. Bray will not stay because with all of his receivers gone (top 5 receivers all gone if Patterson leaves), there is a pretty good chance that he won't look as impressive, and his draft stock could actually go down.

This is the best news for vol fans. Both need to go away quietly. The maturity of both is questionable and hopefully both will be gone before they do something the school will be sorry for. They are only boys trying to act like men but will never make it as one is dumb and the other is a child.

62vol writes:

in response to tennesseeduke:

They don't play defense! CDD made a bad hire and decision to go 3-4 with SS. Imagine if the defense would been in the top 35 like last years? We'd be 10-2 and headed to a big bowl game and CDD would still be coaching. Offense was great and CDD was here. Look at it for what it was and stop bashing CDD it's over.

GBO

Tennesseeduke

Great observations.

You are right-on. I assume most bashers are simply repeating what they have heard. Sad that we did not have just even an average-good defense to go with this year's offense. A better defense would have changed field position and time of posession to make the offense even better in addition to preventing scores. Dooley was the most unfortunate coach ever, ever, ever as compared to say... Les Miles who can screw up a 4th and 9 play from his own 2 yard line and get a ten yard penalty on the other team.

So, when does spring practice start?
Go Vols
Looking forward to seeing the same guys on defense play up to their potential next year.

martinvol34 writes:

in response to retiredVolinGA:

All the money they can make PLUS why would they want to endure another transition year just to prove they are VFLs? It just seems a no-brainer to me, go make the dough. Not to mention a chance at injury if they stay. I can't blame them if they go even though I personally would love to watch them another year. They have to do what is in their best interest. Wouldn't you?

Your comments mimic what is driving their decisions - "The Promise of Money." Can anybody remember all the players that left here early for the promise of big NFL or NBA careers - Where are they now? EXACTLY. Nobody knows!

Patterson will be great. Tyler may benefit from all the less than average quarterbacks on a team like the Jets or Titans if he can get beyond his attitude. Justin is making a huge mistake. Huge. He will be the next Braylon Edwards.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to arkansasvol1975:

Making millions of dollars is hard to pass up, when you can always come back and get your degree. But to make millions, you have to be a 1st round pick. I don't see either of the 3 being a 1st round pick. Hunter maybe a 2nd round but Bray and Patterson are 3rd-5th ound picks as far as I can see it. Look at the recent 1st round picks being recievers.....Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, and Michael Floyd. They all had steller careers at their schools, almost even being a one man show when they are on the field. Hunter was on his way to being that until he got hurt, he had a ok season this year, but nothing that warrants a 1st round pick. Look at ALL the dropped balls he had. Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon were both beast at Oklahoma State. Hunter seems to play 80% and takes off and is afraid of getting hurt.
Patterson only has had 1 season at a Div. 1 school and he had a decent year. He failed to show up in big games and dropped balls as well. I remember the pass he dropped against Bama that would of been a touchdown. Big time players show up in big time games. He has the speed and the tools, but is raw talent not yet deserving of 1st round. Heck everyone runs a 4.4 forty in the NFL even defensive linemen. What I hear, Patterson's school grades are in question so I don't see him coming back. Unfortunitly, I see Patterson only being a special teams player in the NFL.
Bray is a gunslinger, but lacks what every QB must have. The ability to read defenses. He gets rattled too easy and makes poor throws when he is rattled. Once defenses caught on to what makes him rattled, it was over for him. He needs a good QB coach to teach him defenses. I see him being like a Eric Ainge, only making it 1 or 2 years in NFL and then getting released. He is the one that needs the extra year most of all.

I don't disagree with much of what you said, except maybe the bit about NFL D-linemen running a 4.4. There may be a few of those but they are rare exceptions. Also, while it is true that one needs to be a first-rounder to make the big money EARLY, the really big money comes with subsequent contracts. Arian Foster wasn't even drafted, but no one can doubt that his NEXT contract will make him very rich indeed.

Of course, NFL careers are short for most players, but if these guys have the talent to get drafted in the first place, which I believe they do, they have ample opportunity to make big money once they prove they can play. I agree that they probably need good coaching to shore up their weak areas, but NFL competition in itself should be enough to spur considerable improvement. And it can't be denied that the right coach can make a big difference in how these guys develop.

Sure, it's a risk, but there is risk in many areas of life. There is most definitely the risk that they might get hurt badly enough never to play again. Like it or not, we can't make these guys' decisions for them; they and not we will have to live with the consequences of their decisions.

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