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Tennfan4075 writes:

The most telling statement in the news article is the $3 million used for assistant coaches. How will CJ be able to take the same amount used by DD, which was obviously not enough, and come up with the best staff in America or what ever the statement he made?

DonK37920 writes:

Desperate times called for desperate measures. We needed someone quick and we overpaid. We would have overpaid for anyone at that time due to circumstances. Don't hate on Sal obviously he can still find work. Our problem was that Dooley knew he had a short leash and had to produce immediately. He should have hired a 4-3 guy instead of changing to the 3-4. It always takes 2-3 years to make that transition. I'm ready for a fresh start and looking forward to getting back to the 4-3.

BigBadVol writes:

That article gave me a warm feeling inside. You know the kind that makes you want to puke. Incompetence.

62vol writes:

in response to lafollette37766:

Must be nice to be able to draw 2 checks from 2 different employers while only working one job.

Government employees invented the technigue.

volfan2002 writes:

Our AD's have really made some bonehead deals in the last few years hopefully this will stop.

62vol writes:

If you love to hate and live to hate, GOVOLSXTRA is the gift that keeps on giving.
So, now you guys hate Hart and so on and so on......

GerryOP writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Merry Christmas lil' billyboybob. lil' bbb is getting nervous, he knows he'll be getting coal in his Christmas stocking again this year! Anyone renting $300 TVs to poor people for $1500 should just get cold ashes.

As your last boyfriend said ... move along folks, there's nothing to see here! BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!

GerryOP writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Theft is you charging poor folks $1500 for $300 TVs. Rabbit ears are extra.

Merry Christmas!

VolsInYourMouth writes:

a friend of mine is a bama fan and he went to the Bama/UT game in knowxville this year. He ran into Sal after the game and he asked him why he left bama. Sal's resonse was, "I left for the money". He was only at UT for the money. Glad hes gone!

vol49 writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Good for you Coach Sal. Call it emotional distress for wearing that puke orange one yr.
Bama nation knows you can coach, but u cannot coach slow, slower and slowest. Roll Tide

Spike 80DF

edee writes:

Dave Hart......Vols Fans would like you to JUMP ABOARD Santa's sleigh and ride off to the North Pole to help the Elves,Santa will give you a free ride and save UT money... You're Breaking the Bank, if you haven't already, at the University of Tennessee...Why would you stay, when,I think, the VOL NATION IS SO AGAINST YOU

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Vols4Ever:

Dave Hart strikes again!

Not understanding?? Are you saying DH played a role in getting Sal hired on at FSU? also, regardless if Hart influenced Dooley in the DC hire, the fact remained Sal was probably the best candidate at the time. Who could have known that hire would have gone that bad?

climberNeeds2workATwendys writes:

I would hate to think what guaranteed money would be owed to Hart and Cheeks if they were fired.I also would hate to know what they are being paid yearly..not counting their perks(and Im sure there is alot of perks to those jobs).

cltvol writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Move along folks, there's nothing to see here. Leave the past behind and look to the future. What's done is done.

Begging to differ with respect. It is news that Sal has a job. The bigger story is how the money grab in CFB has made it to most head coaches and some lucky assistants like Sal, but the players that produce the profits are not getting paid. They need to start paying the kids something. This is a for profit biz model in every sense of the phrase except the revenue generators aren't getting paid.

tnvolfan98 writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Good for you Coach Sal. Call it emotional distress for wearing that puke orange one yr.
Bama nation knows you can coach, but u cannot coach slow, slower and slowest. Roll Tide

Just curious...do you call what Coach Sal did this year "coaching???" He screamed, he cussed, he danced around on the sidelines, but at what point did he actually even prove he could coach? Bama nation needs realize that they won't be at the top forever and Vol nation needs to realize we won't be at the bottom forever. It sucks now, but we'll be back. GO VOLS!

GerryOP writes:

in response to cltvol:

Begging to differ with respect. It is news that Sal has a job. The bigger story is how the money grab in CFB has made it to most head coaches and some lucky assistants like Sal, but the players that produce the profits are not getting paid. They need to start paying the kids something. This is a for profit biz model in every sense of the phrase except the revenue generators aren't getting paid.

But they are getting paid! A few comments:

1) What is a free college education along with room, board, medical, training, exposure, etc, etc, etc in preparation for a job that will pay millions worth?

2) Without football, some of these guys would never see the inside of a college classroom.

3) These guys knew what they were signing up for and no one forced them to do it.

Really, it's not as bad as it appears.

NYvolFan writes:

It's pretty easy to figure out why the UT Athletic Department is totally broke. It appears that UT is being run by the Obama administration.
- Ridiculous hires
- Huge deficits
- Zero accountability for incompetence
- Giving ammunition to our enemies fast and furiously
- No respect for the people that pay the bills
- Not protecting our borders

RealisticVol writes:

What a life. Getting pad to stay away and getting paid to come there at the same time.

cltvol writes:

in response to GerryOP:

But they are getting paid! A few comments:

1) What is a free college education along with room, board, medical, training, exposure, etc, etc, etc in preparation for a job that will pay millions worth?

2) Without football, some of these guys would never see the inside of a college classroom.

3) These guys knew what they were signing up for and no one forced them to do it.

Really, it's not as bad as it appears.

Genreally agree,,But your 1) 2) and 3) have been constant for 50-60 years. And the money escalation has rocketed so much more over the past 10 years, particularly the past 5. The players deserve more and its there to distribute as proven by the coaching and admin salay escalation.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to NYvolFan:

It's pretty easy to figure out why the UT Athletic Department is totally broke. It appears that UT is being run by the Obama administration.
- Ridiculous hires
- Huge deficits
- Zero accountability for incompetence
- Giving ammunition to our enemies fast and furiously
- No respect for the people that pay the bills
- Not protecting our borders

Too bad you couldn't get more residents in NY to see this..JAT.

bigdisbig writes:

in response to Tallguy:

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Hamilton did not hire Dooley or Sunseri. A worthless search firm hired by Cheeks found Dooley. Sunseri was brought in by Hart.
Get over Hamilton dude and everyone else. Its done and over.

Hart is the new whipping boy these days. If you want to complain then complain about Cheeks and Hart.

GerryOP writes:

in response to cltvol:

Genreally agree,,But your 1) 2) and 3) have been constant for 50-60 years. And the money escalation has rocketed so much more over the past 10 years, particularly the past 5. The players deserve more and its there to distribute as proven by the coaching and admin salay escalation.

The cost of a college education has skyrocketed over the past few decades as has the salaries of professional football players. The cost of the additional benefits a college player receives - food, housing, insurance, travel, health, training, tutors, and even some of their clothing - has certainly also skyrocketed.

And who determines coaching salaries? Not the players! I seem to recall many on here are complaining that UT does do not spend enough!

But I will give you this, I do not understand the concept of the "buyout." Most jobs I had throughtout my 45-year career rewarded me for accomplishments and I could have been fired for underperforming! As a matter of fact, the higher I was on the corporate ladder, the more my income was based on accomplishments.

The Sunseri buyout I do not understand and I must admit that when I heard about Coach Jones' buyout package I was shocked. To me it kind of sounds like paying for failure. On the other hand, and I'm not going to argue about it, I think Dooley earned every penny UT will be paying him. UT knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him.

ACWLY writes:

Was it worth $50,000. a MONTH to get rid of the WORST coach in Tennessee history????? ABSOLUTELY

ACWLY writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Good for you Coach Sal. Call it emotional distress for wearing that puke orange one yr.
Bama nation knows you can coach, but u cannot coach slow, slower and slowest. Roll Tide

What a sad human being, ALWAYS looking for a way to belittle someone. I have many friends who live in Alabama and they are exceptionally nice and respectful people ,much UNLIKE you. I guess that's why you come onto OUR sight and do your arrogant egotistical thing, you have no friends so what else to you have to do, pick out a winning team and jump on the band wagon, what a SAD SAD individual.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Good for you Coach Sal. Call it emotional distress for wearing that puke orange one yr.
Bama nation knows you can coach, but u cannot coach slow, slower and slowest. Roll Tide

You know Jr troll, I have in-laws in Chattanooga who might like to meet ya. Most are Vols, but a few are Bammers (including my wife) All of them have more class in their little toe than you will ever have. Go away until you are old enough to vote, then come back. If you really are a Bama fan, go post on their boards. I don't really think you are a Bammer, I think you're just some teenage twit looking for attention, so go wait for Santa.
Merry Christmas, Butt Hole.

ERHS 1966

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to ACWLY:

Was it worth $50,000. a MONTH to get rid of the WORST coach in Tennessee history????? ABSOLUTELY

1.2 million to buyout Sal..
4 million to buyout Dooley..
Turning around the UT football program, PRICELESS.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to ACWLY:

What a sad human being, ALWAYS looking for a way to belittle someone. I have many friends who live in Alabama and they are exceptionally nice and respectful people ,much UNLIKE you. I guess that's why you come onto OUR sight and do your arrogant egotistical thing, you have no friends so what else to you have to do, pick out a winning team and jump on the band wagon, what a SAD SAD individual.

ACWLY, he's a tennybopper twit looking for attention or thinking he's cool.
Bammers have more class than this jerk.
I guess I could be called a Bammer, I do have a place on Weiss Lake in Centre, Al. Fantastic place, I just don't get back home enough to go down rhere & enjoy it.
Merry Christmas Vol Fans!

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to jumby92:

I would like to know who's hire Sunseri was. Did Dave Hart get him or did Dooley? That Bama connection leads me to Hart and the fact that another former Bama guy at FSU hired him kind of hints to that. The painful truth to the 2012 season is that if Lance Thompson had been promoted up to DC, Tennessee would very likely have finished 7-5 or maybe even 8-4 and the Dooley haters would have been a little less noisy because it would have seemed as if we were moving forward. I am just glad we didn't hire Coach Kardashian, he would have been nothing more than a distraction and another expensive buy-out.

It's been said many times by many people that Sal was Dooley's hire. I just wonder who the heck approved that contract.
Don't much matter now, that was then, this is now.

GBO - Give em heII Butch!

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to TNVol71:

Why do these contracts not include performance clauses? Is the only way to reduce a coach's salary to fire them--and then you still have to pay? This doesn't make good sense in real world economics. We have bonus clauses, how about clauses where the contracts are reduced for non-performance?

I agree with ya, but I think I heard somewhere that preformance clauses or bonuses violate some kind of NCAA rule. Not 100% sure, so someone should research it before ya'll jump my butt for being wrong.
Doesn't really matter, that was then, this is now.

GBO - Give em heII Butch!

BolivrBob writes:

in response to underthehill:

Do you understand they both came from bama and this looks to me like a buddy buddy deal with no concern for the best interest of UT..do you see it any different..

Yes I see and the back to Florida St too. He should have never been paid that much as he had never been a coordinator at a major school and we should NOT have given him a contract that pays him to coach elsewhere. We have idiot businessmen making stupid deals with millions of dollars. Somebody needs to be held accountable!!''

Vols4Ever writes:

in response to atnvol#283282:

Dave Hart is not the culprit....it is Mike Hamilton and his ridiculous contractual agreement with Dooley that is costing the Vols dearly.

You don't think Hart influenced the decision to bring Sal in as DC from Alabama, the school he just left? Don't think he might have given some input on the hire to Jimbo and Free Shoes, his previous residence? Bet you also think Santa will come down your chimney soon.

Vols4Ever writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Not understanding?? Are you saying DH played a role in getting Sal hired on at FSU? also, regardless if Hart influenced Dooley in the DC hire, the fact remained Sal was probably the best candidate at the time. Who could have known that hire would have gone that bad?

Think DH called in some chits he left at Free Shoes and asked for help, both for Sal and mitigating UT liability in Sal's cash flow for the next 2 years.

No one could have predicted the debacle that resulted from this hire. Our worst defense ever at the school that had the General. Not totally aware of other candidates but think Dave had large influence and deserves some responsibility for the train wreck and both the ongoing monetary cost for Sal and DDs buyout, as any resemblance of a defense would have provided at least 2 more wins.

GerryOP writes:

in response to Vols4Ever:

Think DH called in some chits he left at Free Shoes and asked for help, both for Sal and mitigating UT liability in Sal's cash flow for the next 2 years.

No one could have predicted the debacle that resulted from this hire. Our worst defense ever at the school that had the General. Not totally aware of other candidates but think Dave had large influence and deserves some responsibility for the train wreck and both the ongoing monetary cost for Sal and DDs buyout, as any resemblance of a defense would have provided at least 2 more wins.

I'm sure that both Dooley and Hart were as shocked as we were when they saw the defense Sansuri brought to UT. I'm sure that ol' Sal did not receive a Christmas card from either one this year.

It's done, it's over. There is not a single Vol fan anywhere that is happy with the condition of the UT football program. But if you feel better coming on here and beating on your chest and howling at the moon, by our guest. But, you know what, when you wake up in the morning nothing will have changed. Until next September, we're stuck with a losing football program and nothing you can do or say will change that.

Vols4Ever writes:

in response to GerryOP:

I'm sure that both Dooley and Hart were as shocked as we were when they saw the defense Sansuri brought to UT. I'm sure that ol' Sal did not receive a Christmas card from either one this year.

It's done, it's over. There is not a single Vol fan anywhere that is happy with the condition of the UT football program. But if you feel better coming on here and beating on your chest and howling at the moon, by our guest. But, you know what, when you wake up in the morning nothing will have changed. Until next September, we're stuck with a losing football program and nothing you can do or say will change that.

Last time I howled at the moon a lot of Jack was involved.

Just pointing out that the entire Sal experiment and his new place of employment appear to have DHs hand all over it. We are not stuck with a losing program. The foundation for winning comes with the 1st Tuesday in Feb. followed by 20 practices in spring and then Aug. It takes leadership and hope the AD provides the facilities and funding and doesn't put his fingerprints all over everything. Not encouraged by his short tenure here, although anything better than Mikey.

GerryOP writes:

in response to Vols4Ever:

Last time I howled at the moon a lot of Jack was involved.

Just pointing out that the entire Sal experiment and his new place of employment appear to have DHs hand all over it. We are not stuck with a losing program. The foundation for winning comes with the 1st Tuesday in Feb. followed by 20 practices in spring and then Aug. It takes leadership and hope the AD provides the facilities and funding and doesn't put his fingerprints all over everything. Not encouraged by his short tenure here, although anything better than Mikey.

Good job, I sensed a wee glimmer of a positive attitude in your post. Keep up the good work.

It's great ... to be ... a Tennessee Vol!

BeaFanNotaFanatic writes:

in response to VolsInYourMouth:

a friend of mine is a bama fan and he went to the Bama/UT game in knowxville this year. He ran into Sal after the game and he asked him why he left bama. Sal's resonse was, "I left for the money". He was only at UT for the money. Glad hes gone!

Why else would you leave Bama for UT? To live in Knoxville??? Why did you take your job?

BeaFanNotaFanatic writes:

in response to cltvol:

Begging to differ with respect. It is news that Sal has a job. The bigger story is how the money grab in CFB has made it to most head coaches and some lucky assistants like Sal, but the players that produce the profits are not getting paid. They need to start paying the kids something. This is a for profit biz model in every sense of the phrase except the revenue generators aren't getting paid.

They are getting paid! It's called a scholarship!!! They are treated like kings. They want for nothing. Let's see where they would be if they had to pay to play, and for that education! Those kids are living a better life at UT, than the majority of fans that pay to watch them play.

wayoutwill writes:

in response to BolivrBob:

Cheek and Hart need to be fired. We need somebody on the Hill with some kind of business sense. This is BULLOCHI!

The biggest two D.A.'s in the history of the Volunteer program,with the possible exception of that last D.A. A.D.,please get these two jerk outta here!If you wanna discuss the picture of these two guy's faces to aptly describe "useless as tits on a boar hog",then they both have a use in the world,otherwise,forget 'em!

AsianView writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Easy to see ALL the def.coaches were OVERPAID. TENN. should have had the best def. in the country if you go by salary!!! Guess most of the ASST. coaches are getting the agents the head coaches use so they sure are getting them great deals and TENN. seems to be easy picking for them.

I think this clearly shows that paying ridiculously high salaries, bonuses, and guarantees does not provide assurance of an average or ethical athletic program, much less a successful one.

clvolfan writes:

in response to Vols4Ever:

Dave Hart strikes again!

Thank yo Mr. Hamilton for starting this mess.
Hart will get straightened out,given time.

GloryDays writes:

Sal Sunseri described in one word -- "loser".

johnlg00 writes:

in response to illinoisvolfan:

He should be paying UT $1 for every yard his defense gave up in 2012.

Clearly, neither of you are math majors if you think such a ratio between yards surrendered and the buyout is at all proportionate. Bad as it was, the defense "only" gave up around five or six thousand yards last season; probably less.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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I'm pretty sure Gerry neither negotiated the contracts nor made the hires and fires. He may have been wrong in retrospect for supporting Dooley as long as he did, but he was doing so as a fan, not an AD.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to climberNeeds2workATwendys:

I would hate to think what guaranteed money would be owed to Hart and Cheeks if they were fired.I also would hate to know what they are being paid yearly..not counting their perks(and Im sure there is alot of perks to those jobs).

Certainly not nearly as much as a head coach's salary or buyout. Their state retirement packages are likely at least at the upper-middle-class level, though. Moreso for Cheek than for Hart based on their years on the job.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to GerryOP:

The cost of a college education has skyrocketed over the past few decades as has the salaries of professional football players. The cost of the additional benefits a college player receives - food, housing, insurance, travel, health, training, tutors, and even some of their clothing - has certainly also skyrocketed.

And who determines coaching salaries? Not the players! I seem to recall many on here are complaining that UT does do not spend enough!

But I will give you this, I do not understand the concept of the "buyout." Most jobs I had throughtout my 45-year career rewarded me for accomplishments and I could have been fired for underperforming! As a matter of fact, the higher I was on the corporate ladder, the more my income was based on accomplishments.

The Sunseri buyout I do not understand and I must admit that when I heard about Coach Jones' buyout package I was shocked. To me it kind of sounds like paying for failure. On the other hand, and I'm not going to argue about it, I think Dooley earned every penny UT will be paying him. UT knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him.

As has often been stated, big-time college sports are big business. The pattern of contract buyouts started in corporate America. Ever heard of the "golden parachute"? There are failed corporate execs all over the country making king's ransoms AFTER ruining their companies and nearly wrecking the national economy in the process. In some cases, those guys might not have taken those jobs WITHOUT assurances that they wouldn't be left with nothing if they failed. That is the same principle behind the coaching buyouts. Just as with corporate America, that principle didn't hold in every case, i.e., SOMEBODY would have taken both kinds of job without such assurances, but offering them or demanding them just became the custom. I'm sure you had a good, rewarding career, but you couldn't have been that close to a Fortune-500 boardroom, or even read many newspapers or business magazines, if you don't know about the lucrative buyouts for the big guys.

GerryOP writes:

in response to johnlg00:

I'm pretty sure Gerry neither negotiated the contracts nor made the hires and fires. He may have been wrong in retrospect for supporting Dooley as long as he did, but he was doing so as a fan, not an AD.

Thanks john. I know no one wants to hear it, but I still think we should have kept Coach Dooley for another year. My opinions were not based on simple fan-support for Coach Dooley, I think there were very practical reasons to keep him around for another year! Of course, Sunseri would have had to be replaced! Even my pet frog Edgar could have done better!

We could have had a full 4-year cycle of recruiting classes since the dumpster fire, it would have given Hart another year to sort out the conflict between the UTAD and the academic side of the house, Hart might have put the UTAD on a more solid financial grounds, and who knows, maybe Dooley might have won a few more games. Since everyone is already predicting a bad year next year, why not let Dooley go for another year and save the UTAD $17 mil? Coaches may have also been more interested in coming to UT if we had given Coach Dooley 4 years instead of just 3! Perfectly logical to me!

GerryOP writes:

in response to johnlg00:

As has often been stated, big-time college sports are big business. The pattern of contract buyouts started in corporate America. Ever heard of the "golden parachute"? There are failed corporate execs all over the country making king's ransoms AFTER ruining their companies and nearly wrecking the national economy in the process. In some cases, those guys might not have taken those jobs WITHOUT assurances that they wouldn't be left with nothing if they failed. That is the same principle behind the coaching buyouts. Just as with corporate America, that principle didn't hold in every case, i.e., SOMEBODY would have taken both kinds of job without such assurances, but offering them or demanding them just became the custom. I'm sure you had a good, rewarding career, but you couldn't have been that close to a Fortune-500 boardroom, or even read many newspapers or business magazines, if you don't know about the lucrative buyouts for the big guys.

Yah john, you're right. Even at my level, although I was not being fired, I was given a nice pile of corporate stock plus 6-months of "severance" pay with full benefits when I retired. Not millions, but significant. It's been only 10 years, but how fast we do forget!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Thanks john. I know no one wants to hear it, but I still think we should have kept Coach Dooley for another year. My opinions were not based on simple fan-support for Coach Dooley, I think there were very practical reasons to keep him around for another year! Of course, Sunseri would have had to be replaced! Even my pet frog Edgar could have done better!

We could have had a full 4-year cycle of recruiting classes since the dumpster fire, it would have given Hart another year to sort out the conflict between the UTAD and the academic side of the house, Hart might have put the UTAD on a more solid financial grounds, and who knows, maybe Dooley might have won a few more games. Since everyone is already predicting a bad year next year, why not let Dooley go for another year and save the UTAD $17 mil? Coaches may have also been more interested in coming to UT if we had given Coach Dooley 4 years instead of just 3! Perfectly logical to me!

That makes perfect sense to me, but we are the baby boomers, not gen x&y. They expect instant gratification without work and with everyone's money but their own. It's the selfish mindset of the new United States of the Offended..JAT.

LibertyVolance writes:

in response to BolivrBob:

Sal had never bern a coordinator at a major school and we psid him 800,000? What about this do I not understand?

What's to understand, Bob? UT Athletics has been grossly mismanaged several years running. The waste has been enormous.

GerryOP writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

That makes perfect sense to me, but we are the baby boomers, not gen x&y. They expect instant gratification without work and with everyone's money but their own. It's the selfish mindset of the new United States of the Offended..JAT.

Thanks Bipolar! Yup, that's America today ... we're trying to create 100% equality by lowering the standards to the lowest common denominator. If the kid can't read at the 5th grade level, we need to lower the 5th grade reading standard so that the poor kid does not feel bad.

Anyway, back on topic! What do you think of this Jones kid? The real deal or just another 3-year visitor? I like his style, but with the implied promises he is making, how long will it take before this torch and pitchfork crowd will again be on a rampage. One dude over on VQ has already declared that Jones is failing at recruiting!

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