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ncvol11 writes:

Butch Jones and his staff have done a poor job of retaining the recruits that are of any athletic quality. He is in a different league now and he is finding out fast. The fact that we are all over three star recruits is more than disturbing.
One of the big complaints about Dooley was that we did not compete with other SEC Schools in recruiting the top athletes. Jones never had to build a team and unfortunately he will not with what he is recruiting. He may be able to coach but if you don't have the athletes then you don't win in this conference. Recruiting ranked at 42 or 48 does not get it. Evidently he is not making on big impact on those top athletes.

chad954ut writes:

Looks like Coach Jones is weeding out what Dooley had. Let him pick his own players. I felt Dooley recruited as if he were still at Louis. Tech. The class can only go up from here. A top 30 class would be great with the late start. I think Jones will get it there.

OrangePride writes:

I am certainly not going to get my knickers in knot over this. In all of these cases, my opinion is the big loser is the athlete himself. He has/had an opportunity to come into a system that has nothing but upside opportunity with early playing time and, for whatever reason (doesn't really matter), has chosen to go elsewhere. This was NOT a 5* "must have" guy. There are others of equal quality out there....lots of them. So we move on and CBJ goes after someone else who might well fit the system even better. GBO!!!

born2ride writes:

If we had hired Jon Gruden the top recruits would be lining up to play at UT.

OrangePride writes:

in response to ncvol11:

Butch Jones and his staff have done a poor job of retaining the recruits that are of any athletic quality. He is in a different league now and he is finding out fast. The fact that we are all over three star recruits is more than disturbing.
One of the big complaints about Dooley was that we did not compete with other SEC Schools in recruiting the top athletes. Jones never had to build a team and unfortunately he will not with what he is recruiting. He may be able to coach but if you don't have the athletes then you don't win in this conference. Recruiting ranked at 42 or 48 does not get it. Evidently he is not making on big impact on those top athletes.

NC....you have to stop looking at this in the short term and take a more comprehensive view. In a coaching transition, particularly when you are moving to different systems, athletes that were previously a good fit, no longer see themselves in the new structure. Beyond that, I think the unretained GA from the Dooley era may well have had an influence in this. I think we all (you and me both) need to just wait and see where we finish. And I certainly don't believe for a moment that, "never had to build a team" assertion. You get one year only of the previous coach's talent. From that point on you build your own team. But you are right, "if you don't have the athletes then you don't win.." So lets give the guy and this staff some time to go get a few athletes. Frankly, Dooley only did a marginal job in getting those great athletes, so I can't see this new staff being less capable. We'll see.

OrangePride writes:

in response to therightstuff:

Let's just go ahead and fire Butch Jones right now!
Dang, he lost a recruit, fire him now.... why waste time, get it over with. Butch Jones is already flushing the whole program down the drain.... it's so clear, one JUCO recruit decides on a different direction it means Jones is all talk and zero action! Fire him, I say! What a pathetic loser Butch Jones is! Some 19 or 20 year old nose tackle not wanting to play in a 4-3! Dangit, that Butch Jones can't sell water to a thirsty man in a desert....fire him!
(humor, afraid some would not see it as such)

I hear ya, bro.....LOLOL!!

OrangePride writes:

in response to born2ride:

If we had hired Jon Gruden the top recruits would be lining up to play at UT.

Get over it! The guy didn't want to come, so it's over and we move on.

HtownVol writes:

Stop with ranking and stars dont matter

LSU, Mama, FU and even the gamecocks and dogs are signing top 10 classes.

What has UT dont vs those teams the last 3 years (somthing like 2 wins??)

15_counting writes:

The problem with BJ is he quits on his recruits before they graduate. 99-01 (OC) at Central Michigan, 05-06 (WR) at West Virginia, 07-09 (HC) at Central Michigan, 2010-12 (HC) at Cinn. Why should a prospect believe he will be at UT any longer? You can believe the other schools are making sure the recruits are aware of his mobil track record. History says he will be gone before they graduate.

NYvolFan writes:

in response to pcshowtime:

We can not read to much into this year. but if next year he can not land a top 10 class then you might as well get used to .600 football. This is simply the nature of the SEC. I hope this works out for us.

.600 football? That would sure be an uppgrade!

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to 15_counting:

The problem with BJ is he quits on his recruits before they graduate. 99-01 (OC) at Central Michigan, 05-06 (WR) at West Virginia, 07-09 (HC) at Central Michigan, 2010-12 (HC) at Cinn. Why should a prospect believe he will be at UT any longer? You can believe the other schools are making sure the recruits are aware of his mobil track record. History says he will be gone before they graduate.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time. All of the good coaches do the same thing early in their head coaching careers. Urban Meyer moved more often than Jones. Did it hurt his recruiting at Florida? Did it hurt him at OSU? Is Brian Kelly doing Ok in recruiting?

Central Michigan and Cincinnati aren't destination jobs, and everybody knows that.

usafvol writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time. All of the good coaches do the same thing early in their head coaching careers. Urban Meyer moved more often than Jones. Did it hurt his recruiting at Florida? Did it hurt him at OSU? Is Brian Kelly doing Ok in recruiting?

Central Michigan and Cincinnati aren't destination jobs, and everybody knows that.

I think 14_counting just revealed his age; what a doofus he is! lol

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to volfan1202:

The sunshine pumpers are out in force today I see.

Ranked 47th on Rivals... there is no way to spin this. No way Jones is going to have a decent recruiting class, let alone a good one. And the mediocrity continues. Thanks Dave Hart!!

I'm guessing the 1202 is your age and your IQ.

Jones was announced on December 7th. Then he had to it together his staff. A quiet/dead period for recruiting started December 16th, and goes until after New Years. You're condemning Jones recruiting before he's even had a chance to get started, and you're assuming that #47 ranking is going to hold true to the end, as if UT is only going to sign 10 or 11 total players. Are you really that dense?

KVCrockett writes:

When you move into an already furnished house you keep the pieces you like and you replace the ones you dont like. CBJ and staff are doing just that. I for one am very interested to see the pieces that they believe will complete their new house.

HooRay_Vol writes:

in response to HtownVol:

Stop with ranking and stars dont matter

LSU, Mama, FU and even the gamecocks and dogs are signing top 10 classes.

What has UT dont vs those teams the last 3 years (somthing like 2 wins??)

the gamecocks do not have a top 10 class, that's the other "USC". GA on the other hand, does.

ktownorange32 writes:

in response to gogovols2002#222335:

Texas and USC have had top 5 recruiting classes...but look how they have done the past 3 or 4 years. More to it than stars alone

someone may have beaten me to this further in the stream, but EXACTLY.... and has everyone forgot our heisman trophy winner Johnny Football. He was a 3 star recruit. Hell, he was 3rd on A&M's depth chart last spring. Stars aren't everything.

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

Jason Carr may be next.

orangecountyvols writes:

10SE,

You speak the truth, my friend. Somehow, quite a few can't get that through their heads. so many panic struck fans.........thinking we are supposed to strike gold with respect to coaching, recruiting etc..........in a matter of days.

Hey, changing the subject........did you watch WKU and Central Mich last night? How about the decision to forsake the field goal to send it to O T with 1 minute remaining?
Hope Petrino does the same thing this fall when he's the coach, if the game should even be that close. That was a pretty good game IMO.

laraccoon writes:

in response to born2ride:

If we had hired Jon Gruden the top recruits would be lining up to play at UT.

IF , isnt that the most used word in fantasy land ? Gruden didnt want to be here and im glad Hart did not pursue him anymore than he did . i think Hart made the right hire but i guess only time will tell .

PUL4VOLS writes:

Yap, Yap, and Complain; some of you who"got Dooley fired." Yeah right, you are already picking at the new head coach/new staff and I expect you will yap about the first recruiting class. SO, some of us will still support the team and coaches. As for top recruiting classes of any kind for UT football, it will take some time whether you and I like it or not.

NashvillePreds writes:

in response to 15_counting:

The problem with BJ is he quits on his recruits before they graduate. 99-01 (OC) at Central Michigan, 05-06 (WR) at West Virginia, 07-09 (HC) at Central Michigan, 2010-12 (HC) at Cinn. Why should a prospect believe he will be at UT any longer? You can believe the other schools are making sure the recruits are aware of his mobil track record. History says he will be gone before they graduate.

Ridiculous.
Enjoy Saban for one more game.
Your state is a cesspool.

exlineman writes:

In my opinion, some fans put more emphasis on stars than watching some high school athletes give ll0 percent on Friday night. Some of these same kids would have bigger stars in different circumstances, sometimes playing for a lA or 2A team etc. Some of these players sometimes grow 4-5 inches and more from their senior yr. to their freshmen yr. in college. Sometimes I think recruiters spend more time looking at stars than a kid who plays with a heart that will give you his best on every night and every play.

I can look around the state and find some kids who should be Div. 1 picks, but newspapers and sometimes coaches don't give some kids credit for being the players that they are. When they talk about not enough div.1 players in Tn., just look around at some of the schools you are familiar with and you can easily see kids, that are being overlooked by recruiters. If I were recruiting, I would give attitudes, possible drug problems etc more attention. If a kid is in trouble with his attitude and grades in high school, he will most likely follow the same pattern in college. A great high school game between two power houses giving their all for their schools is more enjoyable than the normal big time college game where some players feel is all about them. Some of them are constantly thinking of being a pro and playing not to get hurt and feel they can make it up in try outs. The pathetic play of C. Patterson, Hunter and Bray this yr. is what alot of 4 and 5 star players are all about. Give me the Al Wilson's, Bill Bates, J.J. McClesky and some others like them that gave it their all in every game. Don't know about their stars, but we have had our share of great walkons that made it big at UT.

Just support Coach Jones and he will bring us a winner and be back in the upper echelon of college football again.

volforeverandever writes:

in response to born2ride:

If we had hired Jon Gruden the top recruits would be lining up to play at UT.

If your aunt had balls she would have been your uncle.

cyclonevol87 writes:

in response to ncvol11:

Butch Jones and his staff have done a poor job of retaining the recruits that are of any athletic quality. He is in a different league now and he is finding out fast. The fact that we are all over three star recruits is more than disturbing.
One of the big complaints about Dooley was that we did not compete with other SEC Schools in recruiting the top athletes. Jones never had to build a team and unfortunately he will not with what he is recruiting. He may be able to coach but if you don't have the athletes then you don't win in this conference. Recruiting ranked at 42 or 48 does not get it. Evidently he is not making on big impact on those top athletes.

Yea great post,I cant believe after 2weeks he hasnt gotten five 5* recruits to commit what has he been doing. (sarcasm)

cyclonevol87 writes:

in response to 15_counting:

The problem with BJ is he quits on his recruits before they graduate. 99-01 (OC) at Central Michigan, 05-06 (WR) at West Virginia, 07-09 (HC) at Central Michigan, 2010-12 (HC) at Cinn. Why should a prospect believe he will be at UT any longer? You can believe the other schools are making sure the recruits are aware of his mobil track record. History says he will be gone before they graduate.

Really!! How old are you?

pingkr62 writes:

in response to OrangePride:

Get over it! The guy didn't want to come, so it's over and we move on.

b2r is probably still obsessing over his high school sweet hart, assuming he ever had one. G.B.O.!!!

pingkr62 writes:

in response to sly_stone99#434111:

Jason Carr may be next.

So what. If he doesn't want to be here, let him go. If you didn't already know, there are other high school football players, all over America. My God, stop worrying!

pingkr62 writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

I'm guessing the 1202 is your age and your IQ.

Jones was announced on December 7th. Then he had to it together his staff. A quiet/dead period for recruiting started December 16th, and goes until after New Years. You're condemning Jones recruiting before he's even had a chance to get started, and you're assuming that #47 ranking is going to hold true to the end, as if UT is only going to sign 10 or 11 total players. Are you really that dense?

I guess vf1202 along with the rest of the "chicken little" crowd wish Dave Hart had not fired Dooley. But, of course, these folks were probably screaming louder than everyone for Dooleys head.

Scoon writes:

A de-committal for da vols, ehh? Starting yorselves out right, aren'tcha??

Shake_Bake writes:

in response to born2ride:

If we had hired Jon Gruden the top recruits would be lining up to play at UT.

I agree, but it didn't happen...so let it go and let's move on.

BMSvol writes:

tennessee is currently ranked 42 in recruits by scout.com with 4 four-star and 9 three-star recruits.

compare to ta&m 2 five star, 14 four-star and 17 three-star recruits to go with their freshman heisman winner

ga 14 four-star, 16 three-star

fla 1 five-star 12 four-star 11 three-star

bama 5 five-star 7 four star 8 three-star

anybody really think the vols can compete with that? if u do, i have a beachfront home to sell u in knoxville

JonGrudensAgent writes:

in response to RedBankAlchovol:

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Somebody on here gets it.

If you want to hang with the likes of Alabama, you have to start recruiting on their level again.

Jones will get a pass until February but, if he is still sitting at 47nth in recruiting, it's going to say a lot about his ability to get us back to that level.

It takes time to build relationships with high school coaches and players, but he should be able to line up several high end JUCO's looking for immediate playing time no problem.

There is ample opportunity for playing time given the mess Dooley left this program in. We are below Fulmer 2008 levels right now.

JonGrudensAgent writes:

in response to GerryOP:

And the naysaying negaVols are out in force today. As of today, we have signed excatly the same number of kids to the class of '13 as all of the top 10 ranked teams put together. Zero ... none ... zilch ... nada! Rather than being on here just dumping trash all over my Vols, you should be celebrating! You wanted Dooley gone ... he's gone! Be happy!

Oh crapola, I forgot. All of the junior high schools are on Cristmas break! So ... we get all of the teeny boppers on here playing keyboard/playground bully! Y'all have a good day. I'm outta here...

I see Santa didn't drop a lifetime supply of Midol down your chimney as I had hoped so you could stop whining about Dooley and Hart doing what had to be done.

Maybe next year he'll do something besides pump sunshine for you.

lstbodeanvol writes:

ALL THE TALK ON "RIVALS" RANKINGS LOOK HOW IT WORKS OUT..TEXAS AND THEIR 5 STARS DONT PAN OUT BUT SCHOOLS WITH 2-3 STARS LIKE KSU EXCEED EXPECTATIONS ..GO VOLS !!!

tovolny writes:

One of these days Alice, One of these days.

Scoon writes:

in response to JonGrudensAgent:

I see Santa didn't drop a lifetime supply of Midol down your chimney as I had hoped so you could stop whining about Dooley and Hart doing what had to be done.

Maybe next year he'll do something besides pump sunshine for you.

I did not know that squeaky mice could even to take Midol, let alone a lifetime supply of the stuff.

GerryOP writes:

in response to JonGrudensAgent:

I see Santa didn't drop a lifetime supply of Midol down your chimney as I had hoped so you could stop whining about Dooley and Hart doing what had to be done.

Maybe next year he'll do something besides pump sunshine for you.

You must have meant that zippy response for someone else. Nothing you wrote is related to what I said. Or maybe you are so conditioned that any time you see Coach Dooley's name you immediately launch a mindless rant. Pavlov would love to have you as a lab animal.

Scoon writes:

in response to GerryOP:

You must have meant that zippy response for someone else. Nothing you wrote is related to what I said. Or maybe you are so conditioned that any time you see Coach Dooley's name you immediately launch a mindless rant. Pavlov would love to have you as a lab animal.

Uuuh, not that I'm ataking up for this agent or anything here, Squeaky...but, it's a well known fact that mice...uh...in particular squeaky mice, have always been the target for mindless and endless laboratory tests all throughout our experimental history, and I should think that even Pavlov would uv loved to have gotten his knuckles of some of these, uh <ahem> squeaky mice, instead of always some slobbering dog... just asaying

kayb writes:

in response to RoyaltyVol:

Excellent point! Lets not lose any sleep over losing a 3 star recruit. We will be fine!

He is a 4* not a 3*! And he would be a GREAT asset to Tn! You people so quick to down a player because he is trying to make a big decision in his life.
Great fan base.

kayb writes:

in response to That_One_Fellar:

Maybe it's just me, but I think that Dooley had a sence of, 'Let's bring these high powered Juco stars, tell em they'll get on ESPN, and we'll get you drafted... Oh and don't worry about that whole class thing'... Then, Coach Butch Jones, comes in with all this 'Win in life, you'll win on the field'....(what a loser... Gah we shoulda gotten Gruden), and the players from Hutchinson Community College just want to win a high draft pick. I may very well be completely incorrect, and I hope that wouldn't be the way Fooley would recruit, but, in my defense, I only have one other player from Fooley's recruiting to go off of... And just so you know, I am just referring to the Hutchinson C.C. Just sayin'

these TALENTED players coming out of Hutchinson are highly recruited because they are good. He is ranked as a 4* and was 1st team All Conference! You guys no nothing about this player but now since you think he doesnt want to come to Tn you bash him. After reading some of the comments, i wouldnt want to come either. Maybe you should find out why it is even possible he doesnt want to come after being commited for so long. And you right if you were a Juco kid coming into D1 with the potential of going to the next level you would want to make sure you make the best decision to get you there too! He is a great player! Most of you cant relate because you will never have the opportunities he has in front of him right now!

MikeTheVolsFan writes:

We have seen, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I think the years will continue to roll before UT is BACK! Go VOLS! Next coach...Manning!

Geofffourmyle writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Just checked outside. Yup, the sky is still up there.

And I stand by my support of Coach Dooley. Some of our resident geniuses are predicting another 5-7 record, or worse, in '13. Could have got the same thing with Dooley and saved the UTAD $17 mil. Plus, it would have given some of our players the chance to do what hasn't been done for several years at UT ... play 4 years under the same head coach!

The same dreadfully bad head coach.

One upside of getting rid of Dooley and there are many, is that we can be somewhat optimistic about the future. With Dooley it was "defeat, followed by defeat, followed by impending defeat."

I think we win at least 8 games next season.

Walt

UT '81

Geofffourmyle writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Just checked outside. Yup, the sky is still up there.

And I stand by my support of Coach Dooley. Some of our resident geniuses are predicting another 5-7 record, or worse, in '13. Could have got the same thing with Dooley and saved the UTAD $17 mil. Plus, it would have given some of our players the chance to do what hasn't been done for several years at UT ... play 4 years under the same head coach!

Who -exactly- predicted 5 or fewer wins next year?

Walt

UT '81

fan_for_life writes:

in response to traderjoe:

Forget about him...only a 3 star. 4 should be the minimum. CJ can get the 5's by promising them starting positions and only 1 year of play and then on to the pros. UTK should be the football equivalent of the KY bb program...we go after the best, get everything they got for 1 year and then send them on to the pros.

Hope it isn't true but looking at prospects as posted on scout I don't believe there are many 4 stars left on the board .
Unlike basketball, NCAA FB players must wait two years after signing before they can declare for the NFL draft.

fan_for_life writes:

in response to DennisVols:

When you have 4 different coaches in a 5 year span, 3 constitutive losing seasons, beginning the 3rd different defense in 3 years (4-3, 3-4, 4-3) there are going to be a certain amount of de-commitment and changes of minds when you are talking about talented kids making a lifetime commitment to a university. I would love to see a bunch of top rated recruits jump on board but the facts say the smoke has to clear and the dust settle before UT can expect to sway a lot of these kids. There is a lot to be said for stability of a program and in case you haven’t noticed this program has not had that in quite some time.
Give Jones a chance, it will take time. We did not get into this position overnight and we will not get out of it overnight either.
Keeping it Real
GoVols!!!

Good post. Must face reality. Better times ahead

volfan1202 writes:

How many verbal commitments has Coach Jones secured so far?

Tennfan4075 writes:

Since when is losing a 3 star Juco player the end of the world?

murrayvol writes:

in response to DennisVols:

When you have 4 different coaches in a 5 year span, 3 constitutive losing seasons, beginning the 3rd different defense in 3 years (4-3, 3-4, 4-3) there are going to be a certain amount of de-commitment and changes of minds when you are talking about talented kids making a lifetime commitment to a university. I would love to see a bunch of top rated recruits jump on board but the facts say the smoke has to clear and the dust settle before UT can expect to sway a lot of these kids. There is a lot to be said for stability of a program and in case you haven’t noticed this program has not had that in quite some time.
Give Jones a chance, it will take time. We did not get into this position overnight and we will not get out of it overnight either.
Keeping it Real
GoVols!!!

Well put Dennis. I would, however, like to get "out of it" in my lifetime.

A dearth of leadership in Knoxville has led (pun intended) UT to a very bad place. Six university presidents (including interims) since 1999 is hard to overcome. Throw in Mike Hamilton as AD and voila......chaos.

VolinCalif writes:

With UT being located on the River I would have thought using a DIP-Net for keepers was a standard. Well pick it up Butch, but get the ones you want for your system.

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