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johnlg00 writes:

in response to tovolny:

Where are the 4 star and 5 star people? Is it just good football relations or something for a coach to offer former commitments to other schools to come along with him? Seems like we should look hard at the in-state 3 star guys. But, offer scholarships to all 4 and 5 star guys no matter where they presently reside. I just can't get a grip on the out-of-state 3 star recruiting. Somebody help me out here.

That's a decent point. If we are going to recruit 3-star guys, then let's get every 3-star in the state and only offer scholarships to 4- and 5-stars out of state. No doubt some of the lower-ranked guys from anywhere are true diamonds-in-the-rough who have been underrated through no fault of their own, and there are few hard-and-fast rules in recruiting. Still, there is some reason to believe that an underrated instate kid would sweat and bleed Big Orange just a little more than one from out of state who knows nothing about UT or the SEC except what they have seen on TV the last few years. Nebraska followed a plan just like that for many successful years. The instate kids formed the solid core of the program even when they weren't overly talented and greatly increased fan devotion to the program. Then the Huskers went out of state as necessary to recruit their playmakers. UT would do well to emulate that approach.

Moesart writes:

They get paid because this is the SEC. This is the Big Stage.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to 82cat:

So you were the guy Theodore Roosevelt was talking about.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

I believe that last sentence describes you and many of the whinners on this board cold and timid souls.

True words to live by right there, some thoughts all of us arm-chair critics would do well to take to heart. Probably goes right over the heads of the worst offenders, though.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to powerTbaby:

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So far, I am all in with Jones and staff, but you and others make a good point. Now, I don't necessarily agree that the measure of the staff's ability should be how well they do with THIS recruiting class, but I surely agree that it is up to them to JUSTIFY the big bucks they are getting by fielding a disciplined, competitive team which is clearly trending upward.

volswinsome writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

This is just Alabama, now go look at Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida just to name a few and count the coaching changes and everything else you are trying to cry about and see if it matters. It happens every year at several colleges and will happen again next year, and the year after, will you still try to claim it's the downfall of a major University and hope your rants on a fan page will make a change?

Alabama since 1996, and what happened in between for the cry babies who forget history in college football.

Gene Stallings 90-96
Mike Dubose 97-2000
Dennis Franchoine 2001-02
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003-2006
Joe Kines 2006
Nick Saban 2007-present

Amen. People forget the lost decade at AL. They also seem to forget that back in the glory days, on any given year the mighty SEC was only a 3 maybe 4 team league. What was it, 17 yrs that the only 2 teams to ever win the east were FL or TN? Hm, so maybe TN got those recruits because GA, SC, & Vandy couldn't hang.

Hm...AL stunk for a decade. Auburn was on or recovering from probation. The 2 MS schools were completely irrelevant as was AR. LSU wasn't near what they've been.

So in the 90's, you're a 5* recruit. Did you come to TN for tradition...for the stadium...Fulmer? Or because you had a 40% chance of winning the SEC east every year because back then, doormats included teams like GA, SC, AR, MS, MS St, Vandy, KY, and even had a chance at the down AL.

Call me nuts, but there just wasn't the competition from those SC, AR type schools back then to take our recruits. And don't forget FL's later Zook years either where a few of those were spread around.

The last 5-7 or so years when the league is finishing with 4-6 SEC teams in the Top 10...wouldn't that push those TN teams not in the top 10 that much further down in recruiting?

Quit complaining about a "2nd tier" coach. Win/loss wise, it's an 8th tier program. Fine, I'll give you tradition and bump us to a 5-6th tier...but how could we expect any better?

beartn#223846 writes:

<<First off, I am happy with the hires. But what happened to proving your worth? I know these guys have experience coaching, I get that. I just don't understand throwing big $$ at people before they have delivered the goods. Exhibit A, Sal Sunseri, wow, still owing him 1.3 million is insanity. Same for the 5 million dollar man.
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A couple of thoughts. One, if we pay all those guys the same, then they could easily go somewhere else. I think it's reasonable that an assistant for the Vols would make more than an assistant for the Bearcats. As for Sunseri, he was leaving a stable job for a job where he knew that Dooley could get fired after one year. He needed an incentive and security to leave Alabama. Obviously, it didn't work out (who knows if he could run that scheme with better personnel?). In hindsight, Wilcox understood that he didn't have the players to attack, so ran a bend don't break defense. Sunseri was never able to adjust to the players that he had, or teach them what they were supposed to be doing.

tulelakevol writes:

in response to beartn#223846:

<<First off, I am happy with the hires. But what happened to proving your worth? I know these guys have experience coaching, I get that. I just don't understand throwing big $$ at people before they have delivered the goods. Exhibit A, Sal Sunseri, wow, still owing him 1.3 million is insanity. Same for the 5 million dollar man.
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A couple of thoughts. One, if we pay all those guys the same, then they could easily go somewhere else. I think it's reasonable that an assistant for the Vols would make more than an assistant for the Bearcats. As for Sunseri, he was leaving a stable job for a job where he knew that Dooley could get fired after one year. He needed an incentive and security to leave Alabama. Obviously, it didn't work out (who knows if he could run that scheme with better personnel?). In hindsight, Wilcox understood that he didn't have the players to attack, so ran a bend don't break defense. Sunseri was never able to adjust to the players that he had, or teach them what they were supposed to be doing.

Decent points beartn. I agree it is reasonable for a Vol assistant to make more. I just don't see why so much more, when they are just starting out at TN. Look at Saban when AL hired him, he had won a national title at LSU, so yes, he commands the big $$. Same for Sal, I understand the incentive, but I don't understand the thinking behind 1.3 million. I guess that is a little too much security. Just a fans perspective, that's all.

rb4346 writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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I think the old saying, keep quiet and let people think you are a troll instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt fits you to the T.

volfan1202 writes:

Hey Butch Jones... where are the 4 & 5 star recruits? Where are the verbal commitments? What are you doing on the recruiting trail?

The only new verbal commitment that has been reported for UT is a solitary 3* you've Lane Kiffin'd from Cincinnatti.

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