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manniesghost1903 writes:

According to information on ESPNU there is still an opportunity for Coach Jones to sign up a top 20 recruiting class or even better. However, several actions by the UT Administration have made it difficult for Butch Jones.

Dave Hart probably should have "pulled the trigger" and fired Coach Dooley (Derek not Vince) immediately after Derek Dooley dcided to kick a 4th quarter field goal against Alabama. A coaching change at that time might have enabled UT under Coach Chaney's guidance to win enough games to qualify for a bowl appearance which would have given potential recruits a brighter picture of UT's future.

With the departure of the big three, Butch Jones will feel the full brunt of the generally mediocre recruiting done by Derek Dooley these past three years. We definitely know how good a coach Butch Jones is after this season. With no SEC type running back, cornerbacks, proven SEC receivers, and defensive lineman, he will be lucky if he can finish 6-6. This will not be totally his fault, but even if he is allowed to finish his contract (and I believe he should be allowed to do so)he will still be behind the recruiting eight ball due to Coach Dooley (Derek not Vince). Incidently, I believe Coach Jones did already defeat James Franklin in the Liberty Bowl (Cincinnati vs Vanderbilt).

As a New Years Resolution, the UT Administration should resolve in the future not to fire a winning coach after a couple of losing season without letting him have a clear time frame in which to show a return to progress. Not to place someone in the position of athletic director because he is a good fund raiser. If a Head Coach suddenly leaves during a critical period look at filling the vacancy with one of the assistant coaches rather than making a panic hire. Never hire someone from a rival SEC school to be president at the university. I am sure we would all feel better if those in charge of UT would make that pledge.

Theo writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Congratulations to Vanderbilt? Yes and no. They would not be here, if not for UT screw-ups.

More like "shame, shame on Mike Hamilton, Dave Hart, Jimmy Cheek, the UT President and board of Trustees."

In addition to butchering the cash cow, Volunteer Football, with Kiffen & Dooley, and gross overpayments an guarantees for all that he hired; Hamilton had been so involved in trying to knife Phillip Fulmer in the back, with Cheek's and former President Peterson's blessing, because all of them feared Fulmer's strong relationships with power brokers and big donors in the Vol family, that UT's athletics deparment went down the tubes.

The current men's basketball coach has a losing record in the SEC. Swimming/Diving coach fired for alleged moral turpitude. Hamilton's firing came. New director Hart destroyed Women's athletics structure, then came his mishandling of much of the rest of UT's proudd Women's athletics.

Baseball has a revolving coaches mentality, now. Pat Summitt debacle noted. Women's volleyball All-America and others transferring this year. The athletics department's reserve funds squandered on buyouts from fired coaches.

Cheek, the current chancellor, brought in Hart after Hamilton was fired, with the idea of making UT into a Vanderbilt, academically. Presto: problems with getting great athletes into school.

Hart has screwed up everything he has touched, firing Pat Summitt...er, pushing out Pat Summitt...and now hiring another mid-major coach in Butch Jones, for football---a modestly successful coach who is over his head.

Every major process at UT has become flawed under Hamilton and Hart. For instance, The same agent for years represented Hamilton and many of the coaches Hamilton was interviewing and hiring. Uh...can you cay "TBI Investigation needed?"

The entire mess that is UT athletics needs to be probed by the State legislature. UT athletics spends $2Billion dollars every decade...and the revolving coaches, incompetence at every level...and NCAA sanctions needs to be investigated by a special panel, with TBI support.

Get rid of unethical creeps, straighten out the mess and help UT become a leader that is respected.

Straighten Up. That way, UT can be a state flagship school of which we can be proud, once again.

Vanderbilt has done it the right way. Congratulations to the school and its athletics programs.

Vandy deserves plaudits and has a right to look towards Knoxville and laugh. UT needs to look into a mirror facing any direction and cry.

Oh please, just stop. Vanderbilt was the little sister of the SEC, is the little sister of the SEC and will be the little sister of the SEC. One lucky year does not mean "the right way". If Franklin has another "good" year he will be gone.
Although we have had some untypical athletic results over the last couple years (some self induced, others just bad luck) we are far from a state requiring crying. Good God what an overwrought, hysterical, self-pitying, divaesque post.
Why don't you just become a Vandy fan.

smokeygrowl writes:

in response to oldster:

I followed your advice. Being a diehard fan of the Vols was making me depressed. I do not have enough time left in my life to waste it so. Therefore, for the first time in my life, since 1957, I changed my favorite college team from the Vols to the Ducks. I still root for the Vols and hope they improve, but by lessening my intensity, I hope to have increased by longevity and have certainly improved by outlook.

PATHETIC

gobigorange5090 writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

You know...it's funny because I distinctly remember you defending Dooley who put up worse numbers than Franklin in his second year.

So, when Dooley loses he's still a great coach and we just need to give him time.

When Franklin wins he's still not a good coach despite taking one of the wost teams in America and getting them to 9 wins in a season in two years.

Ok...that makes sense.

I'm a UT grad and I appreciate great coaching (rather than the mediocre drivel that most Vol fans seem content to swallow). What Franklin has done at Vandy is AMAZING. If you don't at least acknowledge that, you're willfully ignorant. Also, I was at the Music City Bowl and you're statement that Vandy got outplayed by NC State "in every phase" is just WRONG.

Dooley's gone. Give it a rest!

BigOrangeD62 writes:

It is commendably apparent through the results of the past couple of seasons that Coach Franklin has the Vanderbilt Commodores vastly improved. Their performance against us (UT) was far more impassioned ... and successful, this year. Various recruiting services currently show them ahead of us, again, this year; however, NSD has yet to be concluded and our new Coach Butch Jones has yet to complete much more than a month on-the-job.

Some, on here, are supportive, while others are critical and demeaning of the quality, voracity and wisdom of our new coach and his selection to the post. By all reasonable accounts that I can ascertain, it seems that CBJ is enthusiatically embracing the tradition of the Big Orange and passionately reaching out to Vol Legends, alumni, HS coaches & recruits to deliver a passionate and HOPEFUL vision of our Tennessee resurgence,

He came into THE most dominant conference on the stage of college football, late in the recruiting season, and to a (once-grand and surely re-establishing) Program that has suffered a few bad years and GREAT instability. These are valid and unfortunate issues. Nonetheless, I believe that CBJ is "Giving is ALL for Tennessee".

Whether it is satisfactorily reflected in the ranking of this recruiting class ... or even in the Win-Loss record of this season, the finality of his coaching success at UT... OR our place in the SEC is FAR from determined & settled!.

SO, why don't the REAL fans of the University of Tennessee Volunteers stand unified behind our new coach, our university and our Program by displaying grace, hope and PLENTY of Big Orange Pride?!?!
Don't ya think that recruits read these blogs some - or have recruiting coordinators at competitive schools feeding them plenty of 'garbage' & trash-talk about our Vols, fans ... & Program?

C'mon, let's give our new coach some faith, love, time, support ... and the benefit of the doubt!?!? Give him a full year or two to be/get establsihed in these HS's and the SEC and let's see our stock rise to some former glory!!! Our GR8 football history has taken over a century to be established and, though these last few years have been REAL tough, it will reasonably take some time and support (in these blogs and AT the games, in the stands, etc.) to climb back up ol' Rocky Top!

GBO!,

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to BigOrangeD62:

It is commendably apparent through the results of the past couple of seasons that Coach Franklin has the Vanderbilt Commodores vastly improved. Their performance against us (UT) was far more impassioned ... and successful, this year. Various recruiting services currently show them ahead of us, again, this year; however, NSD has yet to be concluded and our new Coach Butch Jones has yet to complete much more than a month on-the-job.

Some, on here, are supportive, while others are critical and demeaning of the quality, voracity and wisdom of our new coach and his selection to the post. By all reasonable accounts that I can ascertain, it seems that CBJ is enthusiatically embracing the tradition of the Big Orange and passionately reaching out to Vol Legends, alumni, HS coaches & recruits to deliver a passionate and HOPEFUL vision of our Tennessee resurgence,

He came into THE most dominant conference on the stage of college football, late in the recruiting season, and to a (once-grand and surely re-establishing) Program that has suffered a few bad years and GREAT instability. These are valid and unfortunate issues. Nonetheless, I believe that CBJ is "Giving is ALL for Tennessee".

Whether it is satisfactorily reflected in the ranking of this recruiting class ... or even in the Win-Loss record of this season, the finality of his coaching success at UT... OR our place in the SEC is FAR from determined & settled!.

SO, why don't the REAL fans of the University of Tennessee Volunteers stand unified behind our new coach, our university and our Program by displaying grace, hope and PLENTY of Big Orange Pride?!?!
Don't ya think that recruits read these blogs some - or have recruiting coordinators at competitive schools feeding them plenty of 'garbage' & trash-talk about our Vols, fans ... & Program?

C'mon, let's give our new coach some faith, love, time, support ... and the benefit of the doubt!?!? Give him a full year or two to be/get establsihed in these HS's and the SEC and let's see our stock rise to some former glory!!! Our GR8 football history has taken over a century to be established and, though these last few years have been REAL tough, it will reasonably take some time and support (in these blogs and AT the games, in the stands, etc.) to climb back up ol' Rocky Top!

GBO!,

+1!!

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

in response to exlineman:

The NCAA might be interested in James Franklin, before he is said and done for shady recruiting. He is camped on Jalen Hurds doorsteps from Beech High School in Hendersonville, Tn.

The 2 weeks of no contact especially a junior might apply in this case. Case in point, at the 5A State Championship, he got in the middle of the Beech cheering section trying his best to be seen by everyone there and then turned around and sucked an invitation to Beech High School to speak to the entire team that was being celebrated.. I beleive this period of time 2-3 weeks after the championship might have been in violation of no contact period. For some reason Vanderbilt spends alot of time in Hendersonville the past few years getting John Jenkins from Station Camp Creek, Wesley Tate from Pope John Paul and the starting center for Vanderbilt football, from Hendersonville High School. This is big Orange country and I have personally seen one of Vanderbilts assistant coaches here several months ago buying lunch for a couple of female athletes.

Franklin should be called sneaky pete with his sneaky way of recruiting and cuddling up to some of these athletes in the Sumner Cty. area. I don't know that Jalen Hurd is really interested in Tn., but if they are interested in him, someone had better get with the program in recruiting one of the top running backs in the nation. Jalen is a smart student as well as a player and wouldn't have to go into Vanderbilt under the Peadbody arrangement set up in 1974 to make Vanderbilt more competitive in the SEC. From all that I have heard he is a great kid that would be great for Tn. to have.

"Hope" we can get this kid you speak so highly of, but if he is that good, satan, or muschump will probably get him.

Wish we could keep our good ones home at UT but I am afraid ua, uf, nd and the usc types will cherry pick our best (as few as they are) and we'll still be pulling in the 3* 180lb RBs who get arm tackled behind the line.

Tennfan4075 writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

I actually thought you were describing the Vols until you threw in that bowl win, then I knew you must be describing some other team. We who live in glass houses should not be casting any stones. I never thought I would be saying this, but Vandy has lately kicked the Vols butt everywhere including on the field.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to RockyMtnVol:

1. Vandy's numbers are only based on the total, the overall quality of players still leans toward UT. One recuting class will not make or change Vandy's future. UT's struggles have been with the coaching issue, Vandy and the rest of the SEC know, UT is on its way back, it's just a matter of time. Our facilities are lightyears ahead of most of the SEC. Once Butch shows what he can do, the recuits will come.

John, continue to write your dribble, it's one thing to have an opinion, it's is another to know facts. You can ignore the facts, but you can't change them.

Go Vols!!

I was going to make the same point, and also add that Vandy has gotten two commits since Jones was hired, both 3-stars, while Jones has picked up six in that time. It will only take a couple more commits and UT will rank ahead of them.

brokendownoldvol writes:

Vanderbilt doesn't even have an athletic director.....hmmmm.

exlineman writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

"Hope" we can get this kid you speak so highly of, but if he is that good, satan, or muschump will probably get him.

Wish we could keep our good ones home at UT but I am afraid ua, uf, nd and the usc types will cherry pick our best (as few as they are) and we'll still be pulling in the 3* 180lb RBs who get arm tackled behind the line.

Hope, we have something on our side, alot of his people are Tn. fans. He is a very mature kid and is impressed with results, such as stability in our coaching staff, beating some some top 20 teams etc.

He is a big fan of Eddie George and is looking strongly at Ohio State. Peabody Vanderbilt is also in the picture along with Alabama.

From what I have heard, he is not impressed with past records and would like to see a sign at Tn. that we are a legetimate power again. There has been to many disruptions at Tn. to impress him up to this point.

He attended Montgomery Bell Acad. in his freshmen year and has outstanding grades, in other words he is a clean cut All American kid that has it all together and we need badly.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

"Hope" we can get this kid you speak so highly of, but if he is that good, satan, or muschump will probably get him.

Wish we could keep our good ones home at UT but I am afraid ua, uf, nd and the usc types will cherry pick our best (as few as they are) and we'll still be pulling in the 3* 180lb RBs who get arm tackled behind the line.

That will CERTAINLY be true if our coaches don't do a better job of making and keeping good relations with Tennessee HS coaches. While it is true that the Vols can't field a competitive roster with ONLY in-state kids the way Florida and LSU can, there are always SEC-quality players in every class. We need to get in early on those guys so the other schools can't just swoop in and pick them off. It would help, IMHO, if we got as many 2-star types as we were going to sign anyway from in-state rather than bringing them in from "parts unknown". Of course, UT has to recruit nationally to compete in the SEC, but let's not neglect to tend our local garden in the process.

OldVols68 writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

Major point is still: Vandy beat the living phooey out of the Vols. No one hates that worst than I do, but the fact remains this all goes against two guys, both of whom are no longer with the Vols (thank goodness!!!). Hamilton for hiring Doofus, and Doofus for wanting to live on Daddy's coattails but yet hate one of the most important jobs a college coach must fulfill -- recruiting. That is definitely a strong point of Franklin's, and so far looks like Jones is the antithesis of Doofus with regard to recruiting...hopefully he can turn it around quickly. Still, Franklin has a huge advantage over anyone in the SEC in one respect: a degree from Vandy is worth more POTENTIALLY. However it sticks in my craw that some Vandy athletes take a lot of courses at Austin Peay instead of Vandy. Although admittedly other schools allow athletes to take easy courses and give them all the tests they need, etc, etc......athletes do live in a different world from other students.

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