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Orange_Beach writes:

Tyler Bray won how many SEC games as a starter? I'm not sure but I think you can count them on one hand. But hey he won just as many National Championships as Peyton Manning, so maybe UT will retire his jersey and name an alley after him. And if Mantie Tayowl is the featured LB this show is a joke unless he's going to introduce his new girlfriend.

bUTch_please writes:

in response to Geofffourmyle:

I've been in the back of a police car a couple of times and was brought back to the ship by the Shore Patrol once.

I never vandalized anyone's car. You excuse that.

My car got towed off from Shelbourne towers one night and towed to a place over on Sutherland Avenue. They wouldn't take a check and I didn't have the cash on me. When a wrecker appeared with another car and the electric gate opened, I took off, and "slung a ton of gravel in the air," to quote Charlie Daniels. I never heard anything else about it.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!

Walt

UT '81

Lesseee..

Parked illegally.
Committed larceny by stiffing an independent american small business of it's rightful earnings. But...never heard anything so..

Larceny with no restoration is ok.
Vandalism with damages repaired is bad, very bad.

Ironcity writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Is that the best you got? Calling me HU? I deplore and detest the actions of those 4 criminals. They do not represent all those other fb players that are great represenatives
of our fb program and university. Every part of society has cancers.

Make sure you to look for me again in Oct when rocky flop is taking behind the woodshed for the SEVENTH game in a Skippy......

The problem is most schools attempt to remove their cancers. Not Alabama. All of those guys are scheduled to be significant contributors next year and for that reason only Nick is doing anything and everything he can to figure out a way to keep them in school. And yes those players do represent ALL of your football players. That doesn't mean every player is a thug but a team is represented by its parts. How Alabama handles this will determine how much they represent your team. By the fact you accepted Liner and Foster this year does indicate talent trumps character every time. As long as Saban wins it will not matter but as soon as he starts losing and that will happen as it always does to every coach, it will not be as acceptable anymore. Ask Phil Fulmer.

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Orange_Beach:

Tyler Bray won how many SEC games as a starter? I'm not sure but I think you can count them on one hand. But hey he won just as many National Championships as Peyton Manning, so maybe UT will retire his jersey and name an alley after him. And if Mantie Tayowl is the featured LB this show is a joke unless he's going to introduce his new girlfriend.

Matt Leinart and Vince Young both won more games in one year[2005?], than Jay Cutler won in four years at Vandy and both were drafted ahead of Cutler. I'm by no means a Cutler fan but the results speak for themselves. If you don't get my point, let me know and I'll try to dumb it down for you.

Geofffourmyle writes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/coll...

Good PR for Butch and the program.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!!

Walt

UT '81

volman2008 writes:

who cares (quitter)

Go4Two writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Andy Kelly never even made it as a back-up QB in the NFL..The guy cost UT games with his bad decision making. A great leader was Condredge Holloway, Peyton Manning, Heath Shuler, Dewey Warren or even Jimmy Maxwell ahead of Kelly. However, I agree TB needs a lot of work in that area.

Wow Andy Kelly won 25 games while losing 6 in 3 years. He also won 2 sec championships. Not to mention he QB the greatest comeback in Tennessee history. Please no the facts before posting. It will keep you from being exposed

volforeverandever writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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This is what happens to you when you use drugs . The person above has fried their brain.

Geofffourmyle writes:

in response to bUTch_please:

Lesseee..

Parked illegally.
Committed larceny by stiffing an independent american small business of it's rightful earnings. But...never heard anything so..

Larceny with no restoration is ok.
Vandalism with damages repaired is bad, very bad.

I know it's not much of a criminal record. But you can only envy it.

Hey - Tyler Bray threw beer bottles at someone's car. You think that is fine.

I don't.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!

Walt

UT '81

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Go4Two:

Wow Andy Kelly won 25 games while losing 6 in 3 years. He also won 2 sec championships. Not to mention he QB the greatest comeback in Tennessee history. Please no the facts before posting. It will keep you from being exposed

The man had arguably the greatest supporting cast in UT history, and he was almost solely responsible for UT trailing in that ND game (the least he could have done was lead them back). I "know" what I'm talking about..Did he ever play in the NFL?? I don't think so; And that Nashville Kats career was a joke.

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to KnoxVegas88:

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KnoxVegas,

Exactly. As far as this loser is concerned, what most of us would like to see is for this idiot to meet Karl Kremser and Glenn Ford ( players who excelled for the Vols while the idiot watched ) and face them personally with his gripes.

Wonder if they know how this coward has been using their names????????

rb4346 writes:

There is one thing for sure and that is you can not use Alabama and character in the same sentence. That would be an oxy-moron.

walt2010 writes:

in response to VFLVFLVFL:

bray is a bust... book it.. best thing that could happen to him is going undrafted... would maybe wake him up from la la land

Don't bet the house on that.

walt2010 writes:

in response to Geofffourmyle:

Okay, try this.

Compare and contrast Tyler Bray's time at UT with that of Peyton Mannning. Be sure and illustrate with examples.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT WITH THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!

Walt

UT '81

Are you being sarcastic or just dumb? Peyton exposed himself without invitation to a female reporter. He also lost to a 2-10 Memphis team, and he did it with a defense light years better than what Bray ever had at any point in his time here. Lastly, Bray only threw for fourteen more TDs this past year than Manning did HIS junior year. But by all means don't let facts get in the way of your snide remarks.

walt2010 writes:

in response to bUTch_please:

True. Could be ugly. An ESPN classic. As well as a scene that will be replayed behind closed doors with league evaluation.

Kid's got a rocket arm and (occasionally) breathtaking vision of ball-placement. Maybe a few harsh truths will snap him into focus enough that a team with a little development time will make a 3rd round grab. Tough call.

Right, because Ryan Tannehill and Blaine Gabbert, QBs that Gruden has had on his series in the past couple years, are so far ahead of Bray in reading defenses, or for that matter any aspect of the game.

It's just astonishing to me the depth of ignorance of some of the comments whenever Bray is discussed. Is he on the level Manning was when he finished his senior year? No, but not many QBs in the history of the league have been. Is he as good or better right now, not just in some facets but overall, than a lot of the QBs that have been drafted in the first round in recent years? Absolutely.

Gruden has not been ruthless with any QB, because that would be silly. To suggest he would eviscerate Bray when he was kind to Gabbert and Tannehill is just vapid.

walt2010 writes:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

Glennon from NC State and Bray will both be starters in the NFL baring injury. Too much upside you cant coach. You can't invent million dollar arms, they are rare. Bray played behind a horrible offensive line with very limited running backs after his first year. He lost a top receiver(Hunter,DaRick) in two of his three years. Yet he still supplied 40+ points on many occasions. Yes he acted like a child , but his talent is top of the class.

Amazing. It takes a fan of another team to speak the truth because most of the Vol fans want to run down one of the best QBs ever to don orange, all because he wasn't a miracle worker and couldn't overcome the worst defense in the history of the school.

rb4346 writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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One of these days you are going to pass some gas and blow your head off. Idiot!

Snapshot writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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Is it true you are the bitter, less talented brother of legendary Vol Richmond Flowers?

Geofffourmyle writes:

in response to walt2010:

Are you being sarcastic or just dumb? Peyton exposed himself without invitation to a female reporter. He also lost to a 2-10 Memphis team, and he did it with a defense light years better than what Bray ever had at any point in his time here. Lastly, Bray only threw for fourteen more TDs this past year than Manning did HIS junior year. But by all means don't let facts get in the way of your snide remarks.

So you are condoning Bray's vandalizing of a car also. Glad to have you on the record.

Walt

UT '81

volforeverandever writes:

All this back and forth about Manning and Bray is nonsense.Lets look at it this way.Lets talk about work ethic first.Manning lived in the film room when he wasn't practicing and in the off season.The staff had to had to beg to get Bray there.Bray said he really didn't like that and hated it when he had to.Lets talk about ability.Out of high school Payton was the top quarterback 5 star all everything in that class and lived up to that ability and more.Bray on the other hand was a 4 star or 3 star recruit depending on which service you looked at and many felt that he was taken as a 3rd option when other recruits went elsewhere.Bray does have a great arm but consitantly made bad decisions on where to go with it.If the primary receiver was coverd he made bad reads or threw to the sideline.This all goes back to the first point in the film room.One wants to learn and one who did not.Lets talk about childish actions.Payton mooned a female trainer.Bray threw beer bottles at a car and was cited in the seadoo incident .To even try to make this compare is unreasonable.Brays actions were criminal Mannings was not.Bray made a decision to trash a car and laughed about it.Lets talk about the draft.Manning was the first pick and again was all everything.He could have left after his junior year and would have gone in the first round.He chose to come back and improve.Bray thinks he is already there and can't improve. When Bray announced he was going into the draft most analyst said he was making a mistake.Analyst said Payton should go his junior year and Bray should return .Will Bray be drafted in first round? No! Will he be drafted in the second round? No! As for Bray starting in the NFL I doubt it.He may have the arm but he does not brain for it.Payton Manning is the best in school history and Bray is not close.There are many Quarterbacks in school history that were way ahead of Bray.Manning took the team concept and Bray was about me.And last Bray will be a Ryan Leif type watching on Sunday and not understanding talent alone will not get you there.

creekroad writes:

in response to Geofffourmyle:

I've been in the back of a police car a couple of times and was brought back to the ship by the Shore Patrol once.

I never vandalized anyone's car. You excuse that.

My car got towed off from Shelbourne towers one night and towed to a place over on Sutherland Avenue. They wouldn't take a check and I didn't have the cash on me. When a wrecker appeared with another car and the electric gate opened, I took off, and "slung a ton of gravel in the air," to quote Charlie Daniels. I never heard anything else about it.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!

Walt

UT '81

Way more info than anyone on this site needs....NOT cool

Clint '69

HtownVol writes:

Say what you will.
I am a Buffalo Bills fan and I am WISHING for the Bills to take Patterson in the 1st and Bray in the 2nd!!
I especially want Patterson in the 1st. Bills need another WR with Stevie Johnson and Pattersn is THE BEST PLAYMAKER IN THIS DRAFT!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to HtownVol:

Say what you will.
I am a Buffalo Bills fan and I am WISHING for the Bills to take Patterson in the 1st and Bray in the 2nd!!
I especially want Patterson in the 1st. Bills need another WR with Stevie Johnson and Pattersn is THE BEST PLAYMAKER IN THIS DRAFT!

Aren't you in Houston?? I applaud the die-hard mentality.

FLORIDAGATORHATER writes:

Bray has several problems that will prevent him from succeeding in the NFL: 1.) He can't read defenses, audible, or check down effectively. 2.) He's completely immobile (even more so than Casey "Crazy Legs" Clausen. 3.) He has a slow, wind-up release. 4.) When pressured, he tends to throw the ball either deep (in which case the ball sails) or out of bounds. 5.) The guy is dumb. I mean really dumb. Listening to his interviews was painful. As a Vol, I hope he does well, but don't expect anything great from this guy. Ryan Leaf, Ken Dorsey, Casey Clausen, Tyler Bray, etc. We've seen this movie before.

UTvols33 writes:

in response to 1vavolfan:

I don't understand the love affair everyone has with Gruden, they ran him off at Tampa and now he is treated as some kind of Quaterback Yoda. Cam Newton didn't do too hot on Gruden's show and then he goes on to set every rookie QB record in existence.

I agree. I don't understand this Gruden craze either. I guess he makes a funny face and he becomes marketable all of a sudden. This UT fan was not one wanting him to be the coach.

UTvols33 writes:

in response to FLORIDAGATORHATER:

Bray has several problems that will prevent him from succeeding in the NFL: 1.) He can't read defenses, audible, or check down effectively. 2.) He's completely immobile (even more so than Casey "Crazy Legs" Clausen. 3.) He has a slow, wind-up release. 4.) When pressured, he tends to throw the ball either deep (in which case the ball sails) or out of bounds. 5.) The guy is dumb. I mean really dumb. Listening to his interviews was painful. As a Vol, I hope he does well, but don't expect anything great from this guy. Ryan Leaf, Ken Dorsey, Casey Clausen, Tyler Bray, etc. We've seen this movie before.

I agree. I think Chaney made him better than he really is. He might be a backup for a couple of years before being cut, unfortunately. I do wish him the best of luck, though, and hope he proves us wrong.

UTvols33 writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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You are that guy that rolls 60 mph in the left lane and then speeds up when someone tries to pass them. You used Dooley 2.0 and "delusional" in your post.... again. You are so clever and original. Oh, and you mentioned how much you hate Hart.... again. I still don't see how cheering and being optimistic for your favorite team makes you "delusional." I guess fans that cheered for Bama before Saban, South Carolina before Spurrier, UF during the Zook era, OSU before Tressel, USC before Carroll, all "delusional." Vandy (before this season) and UK fans, Missouri fans, all "delusional."

Hey everyone, we are only allowed to be optimistic and hopeful for teams that are currently successful! If we support a losing team, we are "delusional."

walt2010 writes:

in response to volforeverandever:

All this back and forth about Manning and Bray is nonsense.Lets look at it this way.Lets talk about work ethic first.Manning lived in the film room when he wasn't practicing and in the off season.The staff had to had to beg to get Bray there.Bray said he really didn't like that and hated it when he had to.Lets talk about ability.Out of high school Payton was the top quarterback 5 star all everything in that class and lived up to that ability and more.Bray on the other hand was a 4 star or 3 star recruit depending on which service you looked at and many felt that he was taken as a 3rd option when other recruits went elsewhere.Bray does have a great arm but consitantly made bad decisions on where to go with it.If the primary receiver was coverd he made bad reads or threw to the sideline.This all goes back to the first point in the film room.One wants to learn and one who did not.Lets talk about childish actions.Payton mooned a female trainer.Bray threw beer bottles at a car and was cited in the seadoo incident .To even try to make this compare is unreasonable.Brays actions were criminal Mannings was not.Bray made a decision to trash a car and laughed about it.Lets talk about the draft.Manning was the first pick and again was all everything.He could have left after his junior year and would have gone in the first round.He chose to come back and improve.Bray thinks he is already there and can't improve. When Bray announced he was going into the draft most analyst said he was making a mistake.Analyst said Payton should go his junior year and Bray should return .Will Bray be drafted in first round? No! Will he be drafted in the second round? No! As for Bray starting in the NFL I doubt it.He may have the arm but he does not brain for it.Payton Manning is the best in school history and Bray is not close.There are many Quarterbacks in school history that were way ahead of Bray.Manning took the team concept and Bray was about me.And last Bray will be a Ryan Leif type watching on Sunday and not understanding talent alone will not get you there.

So a man exposing himself to a woman against her wishes is not a crime? What planet have you been living on the past thirty years? If you really believe that, I encourage you try it out, and then get back to us from prison with your new knowledge of the penal code.

If you're such an expert on Bray's lack of appeal to NFL teams, maybe you should wager your house on him not getting drafted in the first two rounds. That way when you get out of the clink you'll be homeless, and can have more time to improve your critical thinking skills (as well as your football knowledge).

You might work on grammar while you're at it - lots of work to do there but with the time you'll have on your hands after your exposure incident you might eventually get to where you can sound intelligible.

walt2010 writes:

in response to FLORIDAGATORHATER:

Bray has several problems that will prevent him from succeeding in the NFL: 1.) He can't read defenses, audible, or check down effectively. 2.) He's completely immobile (even more so than Casey "Crazy Legs" Clausen. 3.) He has a slow, wind-up release. 4.) When pressured, he tends to throw the ball either deep (in which case the ball sails) or out of bounds. 5.) The guy is dumb. I mean really dumb. Listening to his interviews was painful. As a Vol, I hope he does well, but don't expect anything great from this guy. Ryan Leaf, Ken Dorsey, Casey Clausen, Tyler Bray, etc. We've seen this movie before.

If you can't see the difference between Bray and Dorsey or Bray and Clausen, you really have no business commenting on anything to do with football.

UTvols33 writes:

in response to walt2010:

If you can't see the difference between Bray and Dorsey or Bray and Clausen, you really have no business commenting on anything to do with football.

Not sure what direction you are headed, are you saying that Bray is better or worse than those two?

volforeverandever writes:

in response to walt2010:

So a man exposing himself to a woman against her wishes is not a crime? What planet have you been living on the past thirty years? If you really believe that, I encourage you try it out, and then get back to us from prison with your new knowledge of the penal code.

If you're such an expert on Bray's lack of appeal to NFL teams, maybe you should wager your house on him not getting drafted in the first two rounds. That way when you get out of the clink you'll be homeless, and can have more time to improve your critical thinking skills (as well as your football knowledge).

You might work on grammar while you're at it - lots of work to do there but with the time you'll have on your hands after your exposure incident you might eventually get to where you can sound intelligible.

NFL scouting reports say 3rd or 4th round on Brey.Now if your trying to say Brey is as good as Manning you are a compleat idiot.Brey will not get a smell of Mannings success.I know I do not have the best writing skills as I am used to having someone do it for me but at least I know my limitations as you do not.You will find out about your football knowledge come draft day.

walt2010 writes:

in response to volforeverandever:

NFL scouting reports say 3rd or 4th round on Brey.Now if your trying to say Brey is as good as Manning you are a compleat idiot.Brey will not get a smell of Mannings success.I know I do not have the best writing skills as I am used to having someone do it for me but at least I know my limitations as you do not.You will find out about your football knowledge come draft day.

Perhaps you should work on reading comprehension while you're at it. Go back and read my post: never at any point did I say, or imply, that Bray was as good as Manning. I was responding to your wildly ignorant claim that somehow throwing beer bottles at a parked car (misdemeanor) is worse than a sex crime (felony), along with your claim that Bray won't make it in the NFL, and will be drafted low or not at all.

You also stated that there are "many" QBs in UT's history that were better than Bray. Would you care to list how many of them equalled the stats he put up in only three years? I'll wait.

Bray will not drop past the second round because NFL coaches and GMs - unlike childish fans who think with their emotions or NFL draft reporters who never played the game or often write based on who their favorite team is - have their livelihoods on the line when they make draft decisions. Bray has the most upside, by far, of any QB in the draft, and if you think the Cardinals, Bills, Raiders, Rams, Titans, Jets, Chiefs, and Jaguars will all let Bray drop to the third round, you've been reading too many comments on this board and swigging too much Jack straight from the bottle.

volforeverandever writes:

It must be you on the Jack or worse .When I wrote my post it was after you wrote that Brey threw for 14 more TDs his junior year than Manning and you went on to went on to say that those were the facts and I pointed out that to even suggest Brey is as good as Manning was stupid.Yes in that post you did imply that .I guess you must have gotten liquored up as Manning would say and forgot what you wrote.It must be you that needs help in reading comprehension because nowhere did I say Brey would not get drafted.I said NFL scouting had him a 3rd or 4th round pick.So don't let facts get in your way when are on here making things up.As for the draft wait and see where Bray is drafted and after a few years tell me what he did ,then you will think back to the stupid stuff you wrote on here when he does not come close to what Manning did.

HtownVol writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Aren't you in Houston?? I applaud the die-hard mentality.

I am in Houston
Been a Bills fan since the 4 in a row days. I rooted for them just cuz everyone else made fun of them, been stuck with them since.
Its been rough. There is nothing harder than being a Bills fan with a owner thats almost 100 and clearly doesnt care. His family doesnt either cuz they dont want the taxes and eberything that come with ownership so basically there is no desire to make the team great.
That said I love the Bills and pay for the Sunday ticket every season just to be guarenteed to be disappointed.

Go4Two writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

The man had arguably the greatest supporting cast in UT history, and he was almost solely responsible for UT trailing in that ND game (the least he could have done was lead them back). I "know" what I'm talking about..Did he ever play in the NFL?? I don't think so; And that Nashville Kats career was a joke.

I was in ND. The defense didn't show in the first half. What about the SEC titles

walt2010 writes:

in response to volforeverandever:

It must be you on the Jack or worse .When I wrote my post it was after you wrote that Brey threw for 14 more TDs his junior year than Manning and you went on to went on to say that those were the facts and I pointed out that to even suggest Brey is as good as Manning was stupid.Yes in that post you did imply that .I guess you must have gotten liquored up as Manning would say and forgot what you wrote.It must be you that needs help in reading comprehension because nowhere did I say Brey would not get drafted.I said NFL scouting had him a 3rd or 4th round pick.So don't let facts get in your way when are on here making things up.As for the draft wait and see where Bray is drafted and after a few years tell me what he did ,then you will think back to the stupid stuff you wrote on here when he does not come close to what Manning did.

Bray wasn't as good his junior year as Manning was his junior year - Bray was better, by fourteen TDs and 325 yards. He had the same number of interceptions as Manning, but with fourteen more touchdowns.

I realize this is a difficult concept for you, but your preferring Manning's personality to Bray's does not make Manning a better player his junior year, which is the year in question, than Bray was. What Manning did in the NFL after he had been in the league a couple seasons and had adapted and grown as a player, also is not relevant in this discussion, as we're talking about what these two QBs were their junior year, since Bray hasn't played beyond said junior year, yet.

Do I think right now that Bray will eventually be as good as Manning? Probably not; but a lot of people thought Brett Favre would not amount to much - the team that drafted him, for example, traded him a year later.

The discussion was not whether Bray is better right now than Manning is right now, or whether Bray will eventually become as good as Manning, which only a couple QBs in the history of the league have achieved; the discussion was whether Bray was as good his junior year as Manning was, and Bray was better. If you say otherwise, you're just a liar spewing nonsense. Probably a liar who's still in junior high, and has no business being on a message board.

I will most definitely come back on this board two years from now to open this discussion anew. If Bray is a starter and burning it up two years from now, are you going to come on here and admit what a buffoon you are? Somehow I doubt it.

volforeverandever writes:

in response to walt2010:

Bray wasn't as good his junior year as Manning was his junior year - Bray was better, by fourteen TDs and 325 yards. He had the same number of interceptions as Manning, but with fourteen more touchdowns.

I realize this is a difficult concept for you, but your preferring Manning's personality to Bray's does not make Manning a better player his junior year, which is the year in question, than Bray was. What Manning did in the NFL after he had been in the league a couple seasons and had adapted and grown as a player, also is not relevant in this discussion, as we're talking about what these two QBs were their junior year, since Bray hasn't played beyond said junior year, yet.

Do I think right now that Bray will eventually be as good as Manning? Probably not; but a lot of people thought Brett Favre would not amount to much - the team that drafted him, for example, traded him a year later.

The discussion was not whether Bray is better right now than Manning is right now, or whether Bray will eventually become as good as Manning, which only a couple QBs in the history of the league have achieved; the discussion was whether Bray was as good his junior year as Manning was, and Bray was better. If you say otherwise, you're just a liar spewing nonsense. Probably a liar who's still in junior high, and has no business being on a message board.

I will most definitely come back on this board two years from now to open this discussion anew. If Bray is a starter and burning it up two years from now, are you going to come on here and admit what a buffoon you are? Somehow I doubt it.

Talent alone will not get you by in the NFL.You have to think fast and Brey could not do that in college.When Brey had the least amount of pressure he threw it away to the sideline.If the primary receiver was covered he made poor choices.Now in their junior years you would have to look at both teams.Mannings had a great running game and ran it a lot .Breys on the other hand passed a lot .You have to compare apples to apples.Was Brey ever mentioned as all SEC?Was Brey mentioned as an All American?Manning was as a junior.He had the greatest football mind I have ever seen for a college player said Phill Fulmer, he made the right choices.That can not be said for Brey.Yes Brey has a great arm but that alone will not cut it in the NFL. I hope he matures and works hard and makes it.I like to see any Vol do well.Manning was the first pick in the draft.I realize he played 4 years but he was projected as a top 5 pick after his junior year.Is Brey? But again don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant rants.Yes I will get on here and congratulate Brey if he is burning it up on Sundays,but if he does he will have to be a lot better than he has shown.I just do not think he has the work ethic or the smarts.

walt2010 writes:

Evidently you know more than Jon Gruden, since Gruden picked Bray for his camp. Funny that you mention facts, when you don't seem to want to deal in them much. It's particularly laughable that you mention Bray getting snubbed for All-SEC - I supposed you're going to try to tell me A.J. McCarron is a better QB than Bray? If you do you're even dumber than you already have made yourself out to be.

Come back in two years. Then we'll see who's ignorant.

volforeverandever writes:

in response to walt2010:

Evidently you know more than Jon Gruden, since Gruden picked Bray for his camp. Funny that you mention facts, when you don't seem to want to deal in them much. It's particularly laughable that you mention Bray getting snubbed for All-SEC - I supposed you're going to try to tell me A.J. McCarron is a better QB than Bray? If you do you're even dumber than you already have made yourself out to be.

Come back in two years. Then we'll see who's ignorant.

You are the one that is making yourself look like an idiot trying to make anyone believe that Bray is a better quarterback than Manning.Yes let's look back in two years,but you we will know on draft day who was better going into the draft.Manning would have been a top 5 pick after his junior year .Teams said they would take him.Is Bray?Not only was Bray not mentioned for the SEC what about All American? Again the first NFL projections have Bray a 3rd to 4th rounder.Manning was a projected a top 5 pick in the first round after his junior year. End of argument. No McCarron does not have close the arm of Bray but he managed the game better and could read defenses something Bray struggled with.All SEC and All American awards are given to the best all around players not who has the best arm.It is not me who is stupid in their post it is you.My comments are the facts pure and simple.They can be proved look them up.Manning was better than Bray if you say different you worse than stupid.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Bray had Hunter and C.P. and an offensive line that could pass protect, but as for a team, he had nothing like Peyton did. No stud running backs, no defense to put him in great field position or erase a bad throw. Chaney was good but not as good as Cutcliffe.

Maturity? Remember when Peyton nearly ruined his career with stupid pranks with the female assistant in the locker room? Was that behavior any more mature than throwing a beer bottle at a car?

Tyler Bray may or may not have success in the NFL, but he has the arm, the intelligence, the height and the guts to be really good. Depends on the team he lands on, who is in front of him, who will be coaching him and who will have his blind side.

Heath Shuler not only had a bad coach and poor pass protection with the Redskins, he just wasn't that bright. Bray has the tools and I predict he will do well. Check back in a few years and we will see who was right.

Hard for me to criticize the intelligence of a guy who created a successful real-estate company and got elected to Congress. Not many people knew that Shuler had a bad foot that keeps him from walking normally to this day. Everything he tried to do after his first year in the NFL, he was trying to do on a foot that had nothing but bone and skin on the bottom of it behind the toes. The only reason I would question his intelligence is taking bad advice, first to leave UT with a year of eligibility remaining and then by holding out before signing as a rookie which meant he had no training camp before the season began.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Geofffourmyle:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/coll...

Good PR for Butch and the program.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!!

Walt

UT '81

Thanks for the link. The writer certainly seems to be a Jones fan. Can't hurt to have the SI/CNN trademarks on such a flattering article. Hope it helps. I like what I have read and heard about Jones but now he has to make the reality match the rhetoric. Tall order for anyone; hope he's up to it and the fans give him a chance to do it.

walt2010 writes:

in response to volforeverandever:

You are the one that is making yourself look like an idiot trying to make anyone believe that Bray is a better quarterback than Manning.Yes let's look back in two years,but you we will know on draft day who was better going into the draft.Manning would have been a top 5 pick after his junior year .Teams said they would take him.Is Bray?Not only was Bray not mentioned for the SEC what about All American? Again the first NFL projections have Bray a 3rd to 4th rounder.Manning was a projected a top 5 pick in the first round after his junior year. End of argument. No McCarron does not have close the arm of Bray but he managed the game better and could read defenses something Bray struggled with.All SEC and All American awards are given to the best all around players not who has the best arm.It is not me who is stupid in their post it is you.My comments are the facts pure and simple.They can be proved look them up.Manning was better than Bray if you say different you worse than stupid.

Okay, moron. Here's an article from Fox News in which an NFL scout calls Bray the most talented QB in the draft and says he makes throws Barkley and Geno Smith (supposedly the top two QBs in the draft) can't make:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/02...

You might note that the scout also implies Bray could go in the first round. Here's an excerpt:

"Most regard Bray as a possible second- or third-round selection, but it's not hard to imagine a team operating a traditional pro style offense falling for him far earlier.
'The quarterback who is the most physically talented in terms of his accuracy and arm strength is Bray,' NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang said. 'He can't move very well. But he can flat throw the football. He makes throws Geno Smith and Matt Barkley can't make.'"

volforeverandever writes:

in response to walt2010:

Okay, moron. Here's an article from Fox News in which an NFL scout calls Bray the most talented QB in the draft and says he makes throws Barkley and Geno Smith (supposedly the top two QBs in the draft) can't make:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/02...

You might note that the scout also implies Bray could go in the first round. Here's an excerpt:

"Most regard Bray as a possible second- or third-round selection, but it's not hard to imagine a team operating a traditional pro style offense falling for him far earlier.
'The quarterback who is the most physically talented in terms of his accuracy and arm strength is Bray,' NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang said. 'He can't move very well. But he can flat throw the football. He makes throws Geno Smith and Matt Barkley can't make.'"

Well I see you are still having trouble with your reading comprehension.Lets go back to when these post started.You made the comment that Bray wasn't as good as Manning he was better after his junior year.I said no he was not.I said Manning was projected a top 5 pick after his junior year and I asked you was Bray.I then pointed out Manning was all SEC and an All American and asked was Bray.I pointed out that Bray in early projections was a 3rd to 4th round pick and this is true just look it up.I also said I hope Bray did go high as I always like to see a Vol do well.Now in the article you are referring to it says he has a great arm which I have never said he didn't have.I said it takes more to be a good quarterback than a good arm.I questioned his mobility which the article makes reference to.I also questioned his decision making.I said it was was written all season long how he struggled to read defenses.I said talent alone won't make it in the NFL.Now how do these comments make me a moron?You got bent out of shape because you made a dumb comment and I proved you wrong.I said wait till draft day and tell me if Bray was drafted better than Manning would have been.My comments about Bray in the draft has been written by many analyst.The article you write about said 2nd to 3rd round ok still close to what I have been saying.Will that great arm alone make him a great NFL quarterback? Ask Ryan Leif,he by far had a better arm than Manning but what happened?He did not have it between the ears.Defenses in the NFL will eat you alive if you can't think fast and move which Bray has a problem with.Many teams now want a mobile quarterback and the article says it would have to be a traditional pro style offense which narrows the field.I read this week that was possible that no quarterback would be taken in the first round.The article talked about the weak quarterback class.The combines will clear up a lot.Some will move up and some will move down.Here is a closing thought.Casey Clausen going into the draft was said to be a 2nd or 3rd rounder.Some said he might go in the first round.Phillip Fulmer agreed and said he should go in the first.Guess what ,he wasn't even drafted.Now I do think Bray will be drafted but not in the first round.At the combines and pro days they will evaluate more than his arm and that is where his problem will be.

walt2010 writes:

So you're not just stupid, you're so committed to your stupidity that you will lie even when it magnifies your stupidity and makes you a laughing stock. Now you're distorting what the article I linked to actually said - the author specifically stated that it was not difficult to imagine that Bray might go "far earlier" than the second or third round.

See if you can stay with me here, imbecile: "earlier" than the second round would be simply the first round; to be "far earlier" than the second round implies high in the first round. High in the first round is top ten - so the writer is implying Bray might go in that magical, fantasy top-five that you quote Manning as having been projected in but which is completely irrelevant since he didn't go pro after his junior year. So yes, ant-brain, here is a writer for a major news service predicting Bray could go as high, after his junior year, as you say Manning was predicted to.

But by all means, continue blathering and mindlessly repeating the same things you've already written, along with lying and distorting and generally making an idiot of yourself (such as claiming to have proved me wrong when all you did was prove that your reasoning ability is no better than your grammatical ability). I'm sure you'll come on here in a day or two to give us the fortieth refrain of your mindless verbal diarrhea written in perfect third-grade redneck English, just so you can have the last word and feel proud of having successfully typed again on a computer without any help from a tutor.

Be sure to come back on here two years from now and tell me how wrong I was about Bray.

volforeverandever writes:

in response to walt2010:

So you're not just stupid, you're so committed to your stupidity that you will lie even when it magnifies your stupidity and makes you a laughing stock. Now you're distorting what the article I linked to actually said - the author specifically stated that it was not difficult to imagine that Bray might go "far earlier" than the second or third round.

See if you can stay with me here, imbecile: "earlier" than the second round would be simply the first round; to be "far earlier" than the second round implies high in the first round. High in the first round is top ten - so the writer is implying Bray might go in that magical, fantasy top-five that you quote Manning as having been projected in but which is completely irrelevant since he didn't go pro after his junior year. So yes, ant-brain, here is a writer for a major news service predicting Bray could go as high, after his junior year, as you say Manning was predicted to.

But by all means, continue blathering and mindlessly repeating the same things you've already written, along with lying and distorting and generally making an idiot of yourself (such as claiming to have proved me wrong when all you did was prove that your reasoning ability is no better than your grammatical ability). I'm sure you'll come on here in a day or two to give us the fortieth refrain of your mindless verbal diarrhea written in perfect third-grade redneck English, just so you can have the last word and feel proud of having successfully typed again on a computer without any help from a tutor.

Be sure to come back on here two years from now and tell me how wrong I was about Bray.

I won't have to wait for two years ,I will let you know on draft day how ignorant you are.It is relevant that Manning was a projected top 5 pick because teams in the top 5 spots said they would take him and others were trying to trade up to get in position to take him.Has Bray stirred that kind of talk? Anyone that has been reading these post have been laughing at you trying to make believe than Bray is better than Manning.I did read the entire article and it supports me more than it supports you.It talks about Bray not moving very well and not very intelligent.It did talk about his strong arm which I have never denied.I said the pros will look at more than his arm . The writer said it is possible that he could move up higher,well yes that is true.You have given me great hope now that I know that I am going to win the lottery the next drawing since that is possible. Dummy anything is possible in the draft.I have been talking facts about Manning that are general knowledge or do you not watch much football or get out much? I could put on here articles that say no quarterbacks will be taken in the first round , there was one out this past week that said just that.I have read others that put just about all of them as the first quarterback taken.It is all just a guess right now and will become clearer after the combine .The scouts will be wowed by Brays arm and will go oh when they look at mobility and decision making.Your article does point that out .I see your still having trouble comprehending what you read.You want to take one sentience and run with it when the full article actually hurts your argument.Again I hope he does well and maybe he will move up after the combine.You are in a fantasy world if you believe Bray will go in the top ten or you are doing hard drugs.

volforeverandever writes:

Walt I will add this to my previous post.You said I was a liar and I said nothing but facts they are easily verified.I did say that Manning was all SEC and an All American after his junior year and asked was Bray which you choose to ignore .Yes I proved you wrong with that statement .You have compounded your stupidity by now saying Bray is going to be a top ten pick and maybe a top 5.Again we will see on draft day.

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