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jjsteel writes:

in response to VOLS_SEC_RULES:

I usually don't agree with Adams but he hit the bullseye on this one.

ditto

volinc writes:

in response to vol1994:

Spot on John. Coaches get credit when their teams win and they deserve blame when they lose.
I am very appreciative to Fulmer but I agree w/ many that Fulmer did not coach against the elite in the 90's. Jim Donnan (sp) was @ UGA, Sherrill at Miss ST, Brad Scott @ USCjr, Mike Dubose @ Bama, Denardo @ LSU, and so on. None of those coaches compare to Saban, Richt, Miles, Sumlin, etc. Spurrier was the best coach of the SEC and outcoached Fulmer, and many others, in the 90's.

Again, I am very grateful to Fulmer but recruiting took a dive when Saban, Richt, Miles, etc entered the SEC. The Vols won most of their games as they had more talent, not x's and o's- jmo. Fulmer struggled when Saban (LSU and Bama) and other elite coaches entered the SEC.

I wish Fulmer would admit he made mistakes and not throw others under the bus, as he is the one who endorsed Hamilton.

Totally agree and been saying the same thing for years. Fulmer out-talented other teams in his early years and struggled when the rest of the SEC caught up to us, then passed us on talent. Sad he's blaming others for the decline in which he was responsible.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Go4Two:

Well it's the coaches job to get talent. However we had good talent and won the 2007 SEC east title team was not highly talented. The Florida 2001 team had more talent. Several of the UGA teams were loaded..

The 2001 team had so much talent Nick Saban said he thought his LSU team was facing an NFL squad.

Classof72 writes:

This all misses the point. You don't just 'fire' a successful head coach. Well, you shouldn't. If necessary, you replace the head coach to improve the performance of the program. For instance, when Fulmer replaced Majors, the results improved drastically and immediately. Fulmer was fired in his turn, but he still hasn't been successfully replaced. Before pointing out Coach Jones to me, remember that Dooley beat the pants off of him. So, we'll see about Butch Jones.

The program is not yet improved from Fulmer's tenure, not where it counts. Fulmer might as well still be there for all the good Kiffen and Dooley did. Not to mention the 'world of buyouts' UTAD turned into. Replacing Fulmer was a fine idea; I can't wait to see it happen, but I'm not going to hold my breath until it does.

oldster writes:

in response to tnvolfan16:

Finally, someone in the media in town has spoken the absolute truth. Not that Coach Fulmer did not have his day, but just because he had his day ten years earlier does not mean he gets a job for life. You may like Coach Fulmer, but you cannot deny anything said in this article.

Yes, I can and do. I remember when some of the things that were being said about Coach Fulmer about the time he was fired were being said about Bear Bryant just before he turned to the wishbone and started winning again. Good coaches don't just get stupid over night (unless there is an illness involved, of course).

arkyvol writes:

I don't know whether fulmer could have ever gotten it turned around, but playing him off against the greatest disaster in college a.d. ranks in history? the only 'achievement' mike Hamilton ever managed in his tenure was getting himself paid a seven figure severance package for torching the once mighty vol program.

GerryOP writes:

exlineman and Bipolsr, well said. I've tried several time to add to your responses, but you guys have said it better than I could ever do. Well said.

oldster writes:

in response to snafu14u#241639:

Fairly stated as it was Fulmer's decision to hire Clawson as it was Dooley's decision to hire Sunseri. And Hamilton with all the good intentions in the Big Orange Universe was simply in over his head. This is an excellent opportunity to close this subject matter forever. Or whenever Fulmer brings it up. And I did hate to see Chavis go. Bonzai Vol

Do any of you football geniuses remember the transition from the single wing to the T? I sure do. It took more than a year. Offensive changes take time. This is particularly true when you have offensive linemen who are not smart enough to figure out the differences between left and right and inside and outside. I taught 10 year old linemen to flip flop so that the strong side guard tackle would be lineup up on the same side as the TE. While this did mean that they needed to know that instead of blocking to their right or left that they now had to block to their inside or outside, it also meant that only one tackle needed to learn the combination blocking with a tight end. Evidently, UT's linemen could not handle this difficult concept. Of course, Fulmer did recruit and sign them. But, then, he did that before he hired Clawson and tried to institute a system that required more thought than the guys he had previously recruited were capable for handling. Given more time, either these would have figured it out, the system would have been tweeked, or new players signed who could figure it out.

exlineman writes:

in response to oldster:

Yes, I can and do. I remember when some of the things that were being said about Coach Fulmer about the time he was fired were being said about Bear Bryant just before he turned to the wishbone and started winning again. Good coaches don't just get stupid over night (unless there is an illness involved, of course).

Where you clearly are missing the boat, Bear Bryant started surrounding himself with great assistants. I have heard a lot of Al. fans cursing Bear Bryant Jr. in the 90's saying he was the big problem at Al. I don't believe you will find many Al. fans now comparing the great Bear Bryant to their great Saban. He is the new hot shot in the SEC. Hopefully Coach Butch Jones will take care of this problem in the very near future.

volforeverandever writes:

Can't add any thing else to the article.Adams called it as it was.I love you Phil,but you were the blame for our demise in your latter years.If my last statement was not true you would be coaching at a division one school.

jjsteel writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

The 2001 team had so much talent Nick Saban said he thought his LSU team was facing an NFL squad.

Bottom line: Fulmer never could coach. He could talk about football (and sell himself) so well that many folks became as delusional as he was. The more he speaks about the past and the less Johnny Majors says about the past tells me volumes about Fulmer the whiner.

ChadsFordVolunteer writes:

in response to Go4Two:

They don't understand football.. They think you should win them all I mean they never lose on the X-box. Fulmer was spot on. He was talking not only about his firing but everything that has happen since...

The same stooges who post here day in and day out. You're talking about a confederacy of dunces that wouldn't know a football coach if they had Bryant at the head and Dood, Vaught, Leahy, Blaik, and Wilkinson as assistants. They love the two biggest excuse makers and serial blamers in Vol history, Dooley and Majors. In Dooley's case they worshipped a fool that gave them a 4-19 SEC record. As for Majors, a 20 year traitor who did nothing but trash UT for getting himself fired, and threw the man, and true Vol Legend, who made his very bones for him at UT (in the 1986 Sugar Bowl), Coach Ken Donahue, under the bus in order to take the heat off of his own greedy self.

When you read these bunch of know-nothings, just consider the source.

oldster writes:

in response to vol1994:

I disagree Oldster. UT should NOT have been in the position they were in vs UCLA and Auburn as we had more talent. I won't blame a game on one kid, as there are plenty of opportunities in a sixty minute game.

Fulmer lost his edge, the players didn't respond, attendance was horrible, and our passing game was nonexistent in 08.
The head coach is responsible for every facet of the game which is why he is paid millions of dollars annually. Fulmer deserved to be fired.

Please note that I said "if someone needs to get 'thrown under the bus.'" I do not believe that any one individual is at fault for any loss of a team. Fulmer certainly was partially at fault and, as head man, he should shoulder the majority of the blame. However, he was forced to make a change in his offense. He did. People got upset that it did not produce immediately. We fans and the media (John Adams foremost among them) demanded a change. I hope you have enjoyed the past 4 years of change. Kind of like the change we got politically, don't you think?

MetroplexMojo writes:

The man most responsible for the current state of UT football isn't Fulmer but Hamilton. The hiring of Kiffin/Dooley (2 proven losers) did more damage than Fulmer losing his edge. The program would not be where it is now had Hamilton hired a proven, WINNING coach in 2008 (Gary Patterson or Brian Kelly, for example).

SeaBassHauling writes:

in response to tnvolfan16:

Finally, someone in the media in town has spoken the absolute truth. Not that Coach Fulmer did not have his day, but just because he had his day ten years earlier does not mean he gets a job for life. You may like Coach Fulmer, but you cannot deny anything said in this article.

You got to know more about what goes into the sport then what you actually think that YOU MIGHT KNOW!!! You can't lose top recruiters and your second hand man and not expect a drop off. We let Majors run the sidelines longer than anyone should've had the chance...! With record that he had and the man behind him....man don't get me started I'm not gonna get into this BS like politics...!!!! I was a dreamer like most was with Majors and grew up loving the legend....Not understanding the game of football makes people look like idiots......Soooooooooooo continue on IDIOTS

cdldoc#211897 writes:

Well the haters got a chance to crawl out from under their rocks for a little while. Some people love to hate more than they love to win. The farther this team and its players get from Fulmer, the worse they got. It is asinine to look back and try to assert that Firing Fulmer at that point, in that way was the right thing to do. Four years tells a different story.

Haters crawl back under your rocks that must have the word "DUMB" inscribed on them.

798orange writes:

John, while your article is partly accurate concerning the latter part of his tenure, it should also be enough to rid your system of your latent animosity toward Fulmer. Let it go, five years have passed. Especially with Coach Jones here, move on and look ahead.

I hope that some day in the near future Vol fans will put down their grudges, quit taking sides, and learn to put it in perspective and just begin to appreciate the big contributions of Majors, Fulmer, Hamilton, Pearl, and any others that receive a steady dose of criticism. Maybe even Majors and Fulmer could become civil with each other. They were the only coaches we had for 32 years. These feuds that go on for years might be fun for some, including those who like gossip and some in the media who like to stir the pot, but they also can get tiresome and needlessly divisive.

ChadsFordVolunteer writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

John Adams has gone where others have walked on egg shells about Fulmer's dismissal. I give the man some serious kudos for not writing a bunch of feel good articles. Fulmer was his own worst enemy, no matter how bad Hamilton botched the athletic department. Fulmer botched the football program and mostly because of his ego. He hated to admit that Cutcliffe and Chavis were the main reasons for his continued success and ironically they are both still coaching while Phil simply begs for employment with Kansas, Louisville or any 2nd tier position that comes down the pike.

All this expert analysis, on coaches and coordinators, from someone who worshipped Dooley and swooned over the hiring of Sunseri.

UTKin1992 writes:

For better or worse, a true article with the evidence to back it up, and although there's plenty of blame to go around, a few parties deserve more than others.

I believe the administration became so unstable and transient that it placed all athletic departments on shaky ground for going on a decade.

Coach Fulmer lost his mojo with recruits and winning and couldn't find quality assistants with a map and a compass.

Hamilton's hiring of Kiffin and Dooley amounted to dereliction of duty on his part. He was a mere puppet, and a dumb one at that.

Kiffin practically invited the death penalty on us knowing full well this wasn't his place and was probably given hints of Carrol's plans to jump to the NFL months in advance.

Finally we have Dooley, possibly the most incompetent head coach in the history of UT, if not the SEC. A baffoon, an embarrassment, and...worst of all...a lawyer. Dear God.

Tonkin1 writes:

in response to Sunshine27:

Dude,everyone agreed Fulmer had his day...we are ALL saying his last 3-4 years were horrible! He quit! He became a fat slob, arrogant, lazy,and full of himself.

Agreed! Lazy Fat Phil was living off 1998 and his past winning percentage. 9-10 game winning is not enough for our program. We are TN and expect more. Yes the last few years have sucked. Look what we did. Hired a Northern MN. Kiffen who went back to lefty Southern Cal who can't coach a #1 preseason team. Hired a looser in the WAC, what a stupid decision on Dooley, sorry, really stupid, If you can't win in the Wac, what are you thinking D.A---? We are TN and expect to compete in the SEC Championship every year end of story. To some of you who think Fat Phil was still the answer, I understand that the last few years suck, everyone does BUT we will do better and should do better. I think Butch will get us back to 10plus wins per year after this year. Again, we are TN. 10plus wins or go home is expected. All the fans who think less should not follow the Vols and give themselves a trophy for caring which does NOT win football games and like their lives being average losers example: Ky, Vandy, Miss State, Ole Miss, etc...Pathetic...Get off your A--Vol Fans, lets again act and talk like we deserve to be #1...

exlineman writes:

in response to ChadsFordVolunteer:

All this expert analysis, on coaches and coordinators, from someone who worshipped Dooley and swooned over the hiring of Sunseri.

I believe Capt. America Brett Maverick Roberts has made it back with the same old tune as before worshiping Fulmer and all of those great championships he produced at Tn. in his dreams.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

I agree with John that Fulmer was originally responsible for the problems surrounding our program, but five years after his firing, any problems that UT football is experiencing now are 100% laid at the feet of the administration (and by administration I mean the brain trust that makes up UT's board of trustees). Fulmer didn't cause the Kiffin fiasco and he didn't cause leadership to freak out when Kiffin jumped ship and desperately/insanely tie our program to Dooley...who never ever should have even been considered as a legit hire and who was a HORRIBLE leader (which John Adams seems to want to downplay).

Fulmer was a great coach that took us to the promised land. He hung on too long though because he loved UT. I can't really fault that. If he wants to remember history differently, well...he's earned it.

Southland writes:

Coach Fulmer did us proud. It was sad to see his teams flounder the last three years. If he could have got a great offensive coordinator we would not have gotten to the point we did. I know he is bitter. Most of us would be. He loved UT and still does. He was not a great coach but he won with talent but at least he could get the talent. The fact that no one ever seriously looked at him as a head coach anywhere speaks volumes about how far he fell in the eyes of the coaching world. I hope that he is enjoying life and I hope that one day the animosity aimed towards him for his last three years will eventually go away. Many of us remember the great years he had. I loved him and Coach Majors but Coach Majors would have a ten win season followed by a 6-5 season. There was never any consistency. Fulmer gave us great teams year after year until the end. Could he have turned it around? Yes if he could have hired a great Offensive co. and had he got the fire back in him but we will never know for sure. Adams wrote the truth and Coach Fulmer should conduct himself with dignity and not bring up stuff like he did in an interview.

FanNotSheep writes:

I think the article goes a little too far, but Fulmer did not accept blame. He needed Cutcliffe and Chavis to help him put a great program together. He was not a Spurrier or Saban as a coach, but he recruited extremely well.

Hamilton was a lost ball in high weeds but that was what Fulmer wanted at first. Later he might have wished he'd had someone with more of Dickey's power to help him keep the program running.

But Adams aways heaped pressure on the Vols, always stirred up trouble and always second-guessed Fulmer. Adams was the guy who said Manning did not deserve to win the freshman QB battle. But I don't ever hear John admit his many mistakes either.

Fulmer said he would take the football program to the next level. He did that. But without Cutcliffe he could not keep them there. If he would have offered Cut a coach in waiting position and promised to ride off into the sunset after, say, the 2010 season, maybe none of this would have happened. But Fulmer had way too much ego to do anything like that.

He was still a great coach. The 90s and early 2000s were so much fun, and a much better run than Majors ever put together. As wonderful as the Sugar Bowl win over Miami was, remember that Johnny could not follow up on it. And if anyone thinks a school like UT would ever give another coach half the time it gave Majors to start winning, you are in a dream world.

MetroplexMojo writes:

I hope Coach Jones wins big since that will end the Fulmer discussion forever. Cowboys fans were pissed when Landry was fired but got over it once J. Johnson won.

Tonkin1 writes:

in response to Southland:

Coach Fulmer did us proud. It was sad to see his teams flounder the last three years. If he could have got a great offensive coordinator we would not have gotten to the point we did. I know he is bitter. Most of us would be. He loved UT and still does. He was not a great coach but he won with talent but at least he could get the talent. The fact that no one ever seriously looked at him as a head coach anywhere speaks volumes about how far he fell in the eyes of the coaching world. I hope that he is enjoying life and I hope that one day the animosity aimed towards him for his last three years will eventually go away. Many of us remember the great years he had. I loved him and Coach Majors but Coach Majors would have a ten win season followed by a 6-5 season. There was never any consistency. Fulmer gave us great teams year after year until the end. Could he have turned it around? Yes if he could have hired a great Offensive co. and had he got the fire back in him but we will never know for sure. Adams wrote the truth and Coach Fulmer should conduct himself with dignity and not bring up stuff like he did in an interview.

Wrong, Fulmer was the Head Coach of a top program. Fulmer was the buck stops here guy. He was in charge of all hiring and firing. Fulmer got lazy. No-one else to blame. Nick Saben would not put up with the poor performance from any coaches. Bottom line, Head coach is to blame for loses..If the other coaches can't get the job done every game, replace them. We are TN...Think #1 all the time. Tired of these lefty it's ok to lose as long as we do our best BS mentality fans...Go Away..Go cheer for Vandy....

Orangeblood13 writes:

my dad used to say, "let sleeping dogs lie"

exlineman writes:

I think some of the younger fans really like to bash Majors, which I agree some of it is probably due. What a lot of fans fail to realize from the younger group is that Majors and his family donated a gift to UT that Fulmer could never offer, electrifying talent unequaled by any family since the Majors. Sure Johnny has his problems, but when you are are in the Hall of Fame and a previous NC coach and you find yourself 5th from the top in salary in the SEC, there is definitely something wrong with this picture. Doug Dickey and Woodruff didn't want Majors at UT, it was the fans, but when your AD and President of the school are against you being brought to UT, there will always be differences that get in the way of performance. I don't doubt that Majors had some problems, but Dickey had problems as well, like the women he like to run after. The cards were stacked against Johnny Majors the day Dickey was forced to hire him and Dickey's son not being the starting qb, until the Sugar Bowl. Myself and a lot of fans know the pressures from inside this program that Majors had to put with. When Majors was brought in to coach, he was the man, but Dickey kept the pressure on.

vol98champ writes:

There are some very insightful comments here, but I don't think anyone has mentioned that Fulmer recruited and Cut and Chief coached. They were a great team, but when Cut left we lost the glue that kept the team focused. Also a lot of top 10 rated teams during Fulmers' last years fell out of the top 25 by the time they were juniors. That buck stops at Fulmer.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

I hope Coach Jones wins big since that will end the Fulmer discussion forever. Cowboys fans were pissed when Landry was fired but got over it once J. Johnson won.

Bingo..I'm a huge cowboy fan and you nailed that comparison. Tom Landry was a great innovator in his time, but losing his best assistants to other jobs and the fact that Dallas didn't draft very well in the early 80's proved to be too much for Tom, and the fact that every team in the NFC East knew his playbook inside and out.

WaltGoVoIs writes:

It is obvious that John Adams wishes out football team ill. His comments should be seen in that light.

I mean, this is the guy who last year opined that Derek Dooley might soon a be a hot coaching commodity.

Clueless.

And oddly obsessed with Coach Fulmer. How many negative words did he have for Hamilton's tenure as AD?

Walt

UT '81

volsmith writes:

The administration was before and is now the problem with athletics at Tennessee!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to ChadsFordVolunteer:

All this expert analysis, on coaches and coordinators, from someone who worshipped Dooley and swooned over the hiring of Sunseri.

I only worship Jesus Christ (the only perfect man), and neither Dooley or Sunseri are perfect, nor are you or I.

G8RH8R writes:

Can someone tell me for what reason we are still discussing this? I absolutely love CPF for all he's given to my beloved Vols, but his time in our school's history is over. The whole argument is nothing more than "he said, she said". His time with us has passed, the administration has made questionable decisions and will continue to do so in our eyes. Bottom line: Its over. Its history. I think we are currently on the right track. Let it die. GO VOLS!!

UkJarhead writes:

If nothing else, have some respect for the man that brought you a championships and many great seasons. You are loyal to Bruce Pearl, an admitted liar and cheater, but not to a former player that coached you to greatness. You people are nuts.

WaltGoVoIs writes:

in response to Tonkin1:

Wrong, Fulmer was the Head Coach of a top program. Fulmer was the buck stops here guy. He was in charge of all hiring and firing. Fulmer got lazy. No-one else to blame. Nick Saben would not put up with the poor performance from any coaches. Bottom line, Head coach is to blame for loses..If the other coaches can't get the job done every game, replace them. We are TN...Think #1 all the time. Tired of these lefty it's ok to lose as long as we do our best BS mentality fans...Go Away..Go cheer for Vandy....

I get tired of the "Fulmer got lazy" comments. The people that say that are apparently incapable of the most simple inferences.

Coach Fulmer benefited from a period when Bammer was down, when UGA was coached by Ray Goff and Donnan, LSU was down, and so forth. He struggled mightily with the Gators.

Coach Fulmer didn't get worse, or "lazy", the competition improved markedly and Coach Richt especially cut off a great flow of players from Georgia.

And as CPF points out, his boss Hamilton was grossly unqualified to be an AD.

If you say these complex events are due to CPF being lazy, you are just as clueless as John Adams.

Walt

UT '81

goobervol writes:

I see John is still in love with Phil

WaltGoVoIs writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

If nothing else, have some respect for the man that brought you a championships and many great seasons. You are loyal to Bruce Pearl, an admitted liar and cheater, but not to a former player that coached you to greatness. You people are nuts.

Bang on.

Walt

UT '81

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

If nothing else, have some respect for the man that brought you a championships and many great seasons. You are loyal to Bruce Pearl, an admitted liar and cheater, but not to a former player that coached you to greatness. You people are nuts.

Aren't you the one on a rival site worrying about a former coach getting kudos?? I can't say I ever chimed in on a Lexington newspaper to give a shout out to Jerry Claiborne or any other terminated UK coach..Talk about maladaptive personality traits, you take the cake, Jar-head.

creekroad writes:

Hope all you Fulmer haters have enjoyed the ride since he was fired because more of the same is coming....and now we have gray uniforms..GOOD GRIEF

MooseandSquirrelVol writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

On suicide watch with Jeff Flowers.

Suicide watch?
What is that, some new reality show?

Colliervol writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

Isn't this the same coach that won you a Championship and was in the SEC title game the year before he was fired? He won 6 SEC division titles, 2 SEC championships, a National Championship. He was 152-52. You people are nuts. What would you give to be in that position now? 100 years from now great men will write sonnets about how the Knoxville media and fans ran off a great coach. I just wish he would coach somewhere now and be successful. Be careful what you wish for...

Pretty easy concept. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that nobody stays on their game forever? Fulmer was successful for a number of years. Then he got complacent and things went downhill and he had to be replaced. And yes, it really is that simple. Only Phil's relatives and diehard sycophants can't grasp the concept.

WaltGoVoIs writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

I think the article goes a little too far, but Fulmer did not accept blame. He needed Cutcliffe and Chavis to help him put a great program together. He was not a Spurrier or Saban as a coach, but he recruited extremely well.

Hamilton was a lost ball in high weeds but that was what Fulmer wanted at first. Later he might have wished he'd had someone with more of Dickey's power to help him keep the program running.

But Adams aways heaped pressure on the Vols, always stirred up trouble and always second-guessed Fulmer. Adams was the guy who said Manning did not deserve to win the freshman QB battle. But I don't ever hear John admit his many mistakes either.

Fulmer said he would take the football program to the next level. He did that. But without Cutcliffe he could not keep them there. If he would have offered Cut a coach in waiting position and promised to ride off into the sunset after, say, the 2010 season, maybe none of this would have happened. But Fulmer had way too much ego to do anything like that.

He was still a great coach. The 90s and early 2000s were so much fun, and a much better run than Majors ever put together. As wonderful as the Sugar Bowl win over Miami was, remember that Johnny could not follow up on it. And if anyone thinks a school like UT would ever give another coach half the time it gave Majors to start winning, you are in a dream world.

Good post.

So Adams didn't think Peyton Manning should get the starting nod. What has he predicted accurately? Ever?

Walt

UT '81

UkJarhead writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Aren't you the one on a rival site worrying about a former coach getting kudos?? I can't say I ever chimed in on a Lexington newspaper to give a shout out to Jerry Claiborne or any other terminated UK coach..Talk about maladaptive personality traits, you take the cake, Jar-head.

I'm a sports fan. I chime in plenty on UK sites. But as UT is our #1 rival, I feel the need to routinely tell you people how nuts you are. Especially you Bipolar..

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to MooseandSquirrelVol:

Suicide watch?
What is that, some new reality show?

That's an old booking/prison term, but you're right that would make some interesting TV.

tanasi2 writes:

The classy and correct thing for Mike Hammy to do was to give Fulmer ONE additional year to right the football program. If that had happened and Fulmer had failed to right the ship, there would be No debate here. I believe Fulmer deserved ONE more year to fix things then the plug could have been pulled on him! I believe Fulmer and staff WOULD have done a better job than Kiffin or Dooley.

claiborneh writes:

in response to ashvol:

Opining sure is easy.

That's your opinion

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to tanasi2:

The classy and correct thing for Mike Hammy to do was to give Fulmer ONE additional year to right the football program. If that had happened and Fulmer had failed to right the ship, there would be No debate here. I believe Fulmer deserved ONE more year to fix things then the plug could have been pulled on him! I believe Fulmer and staff WOULD have done a better job than Kiffin or Dooley.

That's true, but it didn't happen that way. The hindsight thing.

budd#207344 writes:

in response to tovolny:

John and a lot of people could put up a pretty good debate for what John is saying. But, Fulmer did not get the needed input and support from the UT (Hamilton) management. Since Hamilton did not have a true or established boss, he pretty much did as he pleased. Efforts to get salaries improved for his coaches were met with ire from the mini Bass Hog. The Fulmer Trinity which shrunk to the Fulmer Duo after the departure of Coach Cut to Mississippi, was left without the coveted QB vacuum that pulled in Manning and then Clausen. The latter coming due to Manning more than anybody else. There was not enough money being offered to capable QB coaches and other offensive coaches to draw them into the fold. Casey Clausen was the better of the Clausen boys by far...UT just did not have the coaches to coach him up. The other part of the Duo, of course, was Chavis, and he was able to hold up the defensive side for everything other than safeties and corner backs. He did get Eric Berry, but Eric could not do everything alone...some other good athletes were needed but did not show up. NOW, Fulmer, feeling secure, did not work at his job with the gusto and dedication that he did at first. I believe he felt everything was warm and fuzzy, and just decided to enjoy life a little. And, you can't blame him for that, he probably deserved a little sabbatical from the big time. On the other hand, had Hamilton provide a little more salary leverage for the football program, we would have had the proper offensive brain power to keep the gaskets from blowing on Vol Football. ACT III...now enter Hamilton, who wanted to make a name for Himself and knowing that he had good support from the Haslams, started the refurbishing upgrades to Neyland and other PERMANENT STRUCTURES, which are several, But when the Phil firing and the Kiffen band aid did not hold water, the pressure was elevated by the Pearl swirls and the whole UT Athletic cassel exploded. Hamilton, now standing in the ashes picked up all the gold pieces and headed for the hills.

What I am trying to say here is that Fulmer is correct...but hold on...he did not do very well keeping his focus during the critical periods...he probably allowed himself to relax too much knowing that the mini Boss Hog was seeking a halo for himself and there was just not much he could do about it.

Can't you just here Paul Harvey saying:"now, you know the rest of the story."

No I can't. Fulmer was the head coach and responsible for the program. His assistants were the highest paid in the SEC at the time. He was the Boss Hog of football and he lost his edge in recruiting, coaching, and hiring. This story got written because he cannot admit the truth.

Colliervol writes:

No need whatsoever to beat this extremely dead horse any further. Phil's gone and ain't coming back and I'm bored with the discussion. Give Butch Jones a chance until he proves he can do the job or he can't. Support the program or hit the door. Those are your choices.

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