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What are you talking about? "This whole mess started with Fulmer"? You guys (Fulmer haters) are hilarious. I mean it would be funny if it weren't so sad. You say the whole mess stated with Fulmer. Tell me when that exactly was. Was that in his last full season as head coach (2007) when we won 10 games, won the SEC east, and finished the year ranked 12th. Or was it the year before that (2006) when we won 9 games, finished 2nd in the east, and finished in the top 25. Or maybe it was the year before that (2005) when we lost 6 games (we lost 4 of the games by a combined 17 points). Or maybe it was the year before that (2004) when we won 10 games, won the east, and finished 13th in the final polls. Or maybe it was the year before that (2003) when we won 10 games, tied for 1st in the east, and finished 15th in the final polls. Excuse me I would continue, but why don't you tell me when "this mess" actually started because I am very curious to know. It appears to me to have started Nov. 3, 2008. All you Fulmer haters sound like Obama supporters, the only difference is they blame Bush and you'll blame Fulmer. The best I can tell in 2008 we were only a good offensive coordinator away from being a great team and now we are so much further away from that it makes this old Vols fan very sad. It didn't have to be this way. So for all you haters out there that weren't happy winning 10 games and the SEC east every 2 or 3 years please explain when all "this mess" started (please supply fact and not just "i think it started with Fulmer").