Posted by tngeoff on December 9, 2007 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer said the snub of Manning in 1997 was a "travesty," which he said caused him to question the credibility of the voting.

This is possibly the first quote from Coach Fulmer with which I agree absolutely, positively, 100%! Now Coach, let's bring one home for real! If the gators and razorbacks can steal some thunder...so can we!

Posted by james on December 9, 2007 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow won't be able to win the Heisman next year because the Northern voters won't vote for a SEC palyer two years in a roll. Manning showed that. Go get'em in the bowl game.

Posted by Kwitcherbellyachin on December 9, 2007 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two years in a roll?

Posted by tngeoff on December 9, 2007 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kwitcherbellyachin,

Maybe it was a keiser roll?

Posted by IPOrange on December 9, 2007 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, that quote by Fulmer may be my favorite one this year. "Oh, did he?" Fulmer responded. "I didn't even know."

Whether you support him or not, I expect most everybody will feel the same way about that one.

Posted by iowavol on December 9, 2007 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agree with you guys, good quote from Fulmer on both aspects. I didn't even know this morning who was in the running other than the SEC guys. In retrospect, ESPN won the heisman for Woodson and I think they did the same thing for Tebow. Tebow lost three games but accomplished some stuff none other had - but was it tebow or the system - and a bunch of good players around him. McFadden did some special things too and will more than likely be a top 5 pick, but he did it on a team with less talent and a coach who sometimes looked lost.

Posted by volgrog on December 9, 2007 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who cares about the Heistman? ESPN popularity contests don't mean anything to me.

Posted by Hunter on December 9, 2007 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am glad our coach is so in tune that he hasn't watched film yet and had no idea who won the most revered individual award in sports. Then again, with our recent bowl history (2-7 last 9 years), why bother with film? It's just a big, slow Big-10 team......we never have trouble with those......

Not a Fulmer-basher. Just call it like I see it.

Posted by orangesox on December 9, 2007 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peyton was robbed!!!

Posted by RangerForSix on December 10, 2007 at 12:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Study hard guys... The 'security' and 'prosperity' y'all are working toward, is in a U.T. diploma first and foremost!!

Get Serious after finals and 'scheme' and 'execute a plan' to beat Wisconsin on the 1st!

It's nice to be "one of only two SEC teams" to "play 14 football games" in the 2007-08 season!

not florida, not georgia, not south carolina, not arkansas, not mississippi state, etc, etc...

"U.T. Won the Eastern Title" and LSU the West. Boy is SEC football a game of just a few play(s).

We 'Earned Our Good Fortune' In Winning So Many Close Games, With A 'Team Over Self Attitude'. But.....Ya 'Can't Win Every Close One'; So Score 5-6 Touchdowns On The 1st...Or Whatever It Takes To Win!!

Double digit wins is a damned good thing!
'Not many' teams can EARN their way to the "SEC title game" twice in four years either!

This team did it without 'Two 1000 yard rushers' and 'no potential NFL receivers,' like the 2004 team. Just a bunch of 'hard working guys,' a 'few "real gifted athletes"' on both sides of the ball and a 'pitcher who threw 'mostly' Strikes'!!!

The only thing "the last two Eastern Titles" have in common is Fulmer, Ainge, Hefney, some other good asst's, and a few special team and substitute players...along with all the faithful UT football fans...

So Go VOLS, beat the Badgers!!

We'll think about 2008-09 starting on January the 2nd. As this team has proven, when they come to 'WIN', not just to play, they can beat anyone!! What was it, "we beat 7 bowl eligible teams?"

Posted by mparker on December 10, 2007 at 1:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

McFadden got ripped. As someone said, Nutt looked losr, and I believe ark, losr ir's o-coord this season.

tebow is a fine player, but for McF it'd 2 years in a row to finish behind a qb....

sorry about the typing, broken index finger....

Posted by DenmarkVol_aka_Mbumburu on December 10, 2007 at 1:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hunter, you call the Heistman "the most revered individual award in sports?"

What planet are you living on? Give me a break...

Posted by pdhuff on December 10, 2007 at 5:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IPO - Hunter - don't you dare go there and accuse our beloved Phil from being out of touch! They'll come for you. Don't ever question a man with both a NC and a loss to Vandy to his resume. He's been across the spectrum. Wait until you see what he unveils for Wisconsin. He suspects now they'll probably try to run against his 74th ranked defense.It'll never happen and we all know large slow Big Ten teams can't beat fast SEC teams. So there.

What's that Ma, we lost to Penn St. What, they're slower than loaded dump trucks. Well, that was a fluke, just check our bowl record. Fear the Phil, Badger, he'll have them ready and fired-up as usual. On to Tamper fer the game. At least when Bobby Johnson goes to Duke we won't lose to the Commodores again. Whats that, Johnson had more players on the 1st team All-SEC than Phil. Psshaw. Leave realism and facts out of this. Merry Christmas.

Posted by cltvol on December 10, 2007 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow is only the 8th sec player to have won the heisman. Neither TN or AL have had an award winner with AL among the top 5 all time programs and TN among the top 10 (using conf. championships, bowl appearances, and natl titles as a benchmark). Fulmer is right, this part of the country gets snubbed on this deal.

Posted by vol52 on December 10, 2007 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Former winners also get a vote which tilts the results. That is why Peyton did not win. You people like eddy george voting for woodson. You can package it any way you want but it is a meaningless award.

Posted by GreerVol22 on December 10, 2007 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two days of light practice....that ought to about do it. Thats one more day than he spent on the past few bowl preps...

Ainge...Wisc wears Red and white. Do try to remember, will ya?

Posted by TommyJack on December 10, 2007 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pass the chocolate glazed.

Posted by tngeoff on December 10, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys. Read this story and these comments:

http://knoxnews.com/news/2007/dec/08/...

People complain about everything!

Posted by DadwasaVol on December 10, 2007 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Abolish the Heisman. Football is a team sport. That's how I learned it, coached it, and played it. Forget the individual awards, give it all up for the team, I tell my kids.

Posted by Stumps on December 10, 2007 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

folks need to let that Manning thing go. He's won a superbowl, put up hall of fame numbers, and the world knows how he now compares to Woodson. let's move on. Something that happened 10 years ago isn't relavent.

Posted by 3rdtenn on December 10, 2007 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the most revered award in football? After not giving it to Peyton they can stick the thing up their rear. Tebow is a good young man Happy for him but the Big Ten butt kissers can just keep the Heisman. If Bama with all of the greats they have had doesn't have a Heisman winner then you know something is wrong with the voting. Keep the little stupid award in Ohio and Michigan and give it to Clausen for this years national championship at Notre Dame

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on December 10, 2007 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

3rdtenn,
Great point! I was looking at the list of Heisman winners and I was shocked that AL has never had one after all those great years with the Bear. Ridiculous.

The Heisman is headed the same place as the Nobel...irrelevent.

Posted by hueypilot on December 10, 2007 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Alabama would not have a Heisman candidate because under Bear he would rotate players in and out His second team offense always spelled the starters in the first posession of the second quarter and usually ditto in the first posession of the 4th quarter. Running backs were in and out all the time , but I can't tell you how many times during that eleven in a row streak, their fresh legs whipped us. Not sure Bear ever had a 1,000 yard rusher but he did have one Heisman winner, John David Crow at Texas A and M.

Loved Fulmer's "did he" quote. Not just pissed about Manning. Majors losing to Hornung, still the only player ever selected off a losing team (2-8 that year at ND) because ND was the first program in the country to have an SID and lobbied. And Lauricella losing to a back from Princeton in '51? As for as this UT fan, I call it the Irrelevant Trophy, and left a Christmas party here in Florida Saturday night because all the little Tebow worshipers (this is his home high school territory) were glued to the TV for his coronation. Couldn't watch it and so I left.

Posted by hueypilot on December 10, 2007 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For the fans who remember Marvin West, I guess he still writes a column for some little community shopper newspaper. His analysis of the 2007 season is on the money. Not as bad as the Fulmer haters claim, not as good as the Fulmer supporters claim. Here's his take if anyone is interested.

http://www.shoppernewsnow.com/aWest.aspx

Posted by hopalong on December 10, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tim Tebow - love him or hate him. Fact is though, however he got it, he received the Heisman. And, he is probably thanking the U T defensive unit for their effort in holding McFadden to a sub-par effort when Arkansas was in town. McFadden's performance that day did little for him in his pursuit of the Heisman.

Posted by murrayvol on December 10, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Enjoyed the Marvin West article huey. It was as always "on the money." I guess you just can't quit writing til you die.

Posted by hiresanders on December 10, 2007 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can I have another dozen of orignal glazed please!

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on December 10, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good one huey...thanks

Posted by tenndave on December 10, 2007 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you Fulmer Bashers had YOUR WAY, like Ark, we would not have a coach, wouldn't be able to sign anyone except grad assistants maybe, have no active recruiting and be in the Liberty Bowl. Wow, wouldn't that be great??? Then again why would anyone want to come coach or play at a school that wins 2/3 of their games, is playing on New Year's Day, but has to put up with fans like you. Fla, ALA, LSU, etc love you. You are better recruting for them than their own coaches. From them, "Keep up the good work," from the rest of the Vol Nation, "Get Lost"
See you all in Tampa, thank goodness.
Go Vols! Beat Wisc and whoeverelse you play!

Posted by hopalong on December 10, 2007 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tenndave - "See you all in Tampa, thank goodness."

The overall tone of your comments supporting Coach Fulmer is to be commended. However, I think your comment listed above says volumes about your true feelings. After all, how long has it been since Coach Fulmer coached a Vol team in a bowl game that has not been second tier at best?

Posted by johnlg00 on December 10, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you may be too young to remember, but Marvin West won numerous awards as a sports writer and, I think, sports editor at the KNS. He also wrote several books about UT sports. Some of you speak as if he were just some ol' granpa writing as a lark for his neighborhood weekly, but he has forgotten more than most of us ever knew about Vol athletics.

Posted by tenndave on December 10, 2007 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Second Tier So let me get this straight. New Year's Day bowls that are not the big 4 are second tier. That is where we part company. Shreveport is second tier, Memphis is second tier, Tampa is not second tier. If your idea of success is only the top 4 you will be a frustrated fan your whole life. Yes, I want another NC and I will bet Fulmer wants it more than you do. For this team with the injuries it absorbed, to be in the SEC picture until the last seconds is a feat most coaches dream of. Name me one coach, of any quality, that you think would come here to coach if the University Fired Fulmer. If you believe your answer, send me some of that kool-aid. Our stature would be lower than Ark and Michigan. Do they have coaches yet. Oh wait, their top 3 choices told them where to stick it. And you think we wouldn't have the same fate?
Go Vols, Beat WISC!

Posted by gotvols on December 10, 2007 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TouchdownTN - what direction did Florida go in this year? Three loses in the conference. Yeah, they really are going in the right direction unlike us.

You know, I here they have nice weather down there for you fair weather fans....And I hear they have openings for fans at a great price.

How many titles have you won while you are sitting there scratching your head?

We'll see how Mr. Heisman fairs next year with an experience UT defense. They took advantage of an un-experience Berry and company. I think it will be a different story.

Thanks Fat Phil for the great comment. "Oh, did he?" - great. Very Spurrier-like sounding.....

Posted by gotvols on December 10, 2007 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

America... What a great place.... You can say all the stupid stuff you want, and not get ruffed up over it.

It is nice to know that they allow sub-par intelligence on this site, or else all the stupid people would just have to talk to their mothers about how smart they are.

Posted by Hunter on December 10, 2007 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I never called it "the most respected award in sports," just "the most revered." Someone get these fools a dictionary.

Peyton got jobbed, and I don't put much stock in the Heisman personally. However, I expect "the winningest (percentage) coach in Division I with at least 10 years experience, more than 2 kids, over 250 pounds, over 50 years old......."(they keep adding asterisks - why can't I?) to keep up to date with events that transpire in his field of work.

Posted by pdhuff on December 10, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tenndave - love the fervor - don't ever give that up. Stay your course. Yes we're in a New Years day bowl, but so is Ga , a team we beat. Their game pays several million more. Its called BCS. What happened? Coaching and recruiting happened. Love Phil all you want but Ga and Fla usually finish in the top 10. Vols, no top 10's in last many, many years.

We all want the Vols to get back in the top 10, BUT THEY'RE NOT!!! A program is either going forward or slowly sliding backwards. Which do you think we are? Merry Christmas. Good post.

Posted by missrvrvol on December 10, 2007 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Could someone please replace the Heisman with some ice cold Natty Lites?

Posted by jeremyholloway82 on December 10, 2007 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I quit watching the game last year. hoping for a different outcome this year.

Posted by nicksjuzunk on December 11, 2007 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Eric Berry for Heisman

Posted by cdldoc on December 11, 2007 at 2:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TouchedintheheadTN, you sure are are obnoxious. It is hard to believe you are a Vol. Or are you? By the way, what kind of job can you do for your boss if you spend all day surfing on his computer? I do believe one thing, you do not work for yourself. Someone must be paying your wages while you surf the net all day. You and your kind are the hated fifth column. You would rather stir up s--- than help get good recruits and improve the record next year. You would rather make anything worse, even your own existance. Reading your posts is a lot like reading crap out of Alabamba.

"Touchdown Tennessee, give 'em six" John Ward, a real Vol.

Posted by pdhuff on December 11, 2007 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

errr....cdldoc, miss John Ward, too, but he like many good things about the Vols are long-gone! Things like SEC championships. Top ten finishes. Respect in the football nation. One minor bowl loss away from finishing barely (maybe) in top 25. Top 10 recruiting classes. D-linemen. Fast linebackers. People who tackle. Holding Fla under 59. Not losing to sub-par Bama team. The list goes on. Many of us do not see where any corrections are in place. More of the same. Next year......Then the year after that....

Posted by TommyJack on December 11, 2007 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

cdldoc: Are you Eduardo?

Posted by missrvrvol on December 11, 2007 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I personally love the 10a CST start. That way I can be hammered by noon and not waste an entire day.

Posted by BadgerBilly on December 11, 2007 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey y'all...the Civil War is over. (And we won). Enough of this northern conspiracy Heisman voting stuff. It's time to knock the big chip off your shoulders. Which I fully expect Wisconsin will do on January 1. Just compare the Bowl Records of the two teams involved. Bottom line: Bucky likes his chances alot, especially when playing a team that thinks they've already won.

Posted by tngeoff on December 11, 2007 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BadgerBilly,

Ummmm....yeah....I see so many references to the Civil War here. But anyway...thank you for bringing us your expertise. Keep your dream alive. Yah Hey! Oof da!

Posted by missrvrvol on December 11, 2007 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BadgerBilly likes dudes...

Posted by tngeoff on December 11, 2007 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For non-Wisconsiners:

Ya Hey explanation:

"ya hey" 12 up, 3 down

OK, yes, or hello in Minnesota/Wisconsin speak. From German "Ja".

Stosh: "Ya hey dere, Otto."
Otto: "Ya hey."

Lars: "You like hot dish?"
Sven: "Ya hey!"

Oof dah (actual spelling: Uff da) explanation:

"drats," "oops!" or "ouch!"
In Norwegian Midwestern USA cultures, "Uff Da" translates into: "I am overwhelmed."
It's a contemporary Norwegian expression. It is usually written in the form "Uff, da" or "Uffda". In Norwegian, it is an interjection used when something is scary, uncomfortable, hurtful, annoying, sad or boring.

Posted by givim6 on December 11, 2007 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cdldoc:

How did I get thrown under the bus with "Ol Touchy?"

Posted by VolnFlorida on December 11, 2007 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ESPN won the Heisman for Woodson. Peyton should have won the award. It was not just a southern
bias, but that he came from a solid family that
supported him and gave him a nice home and education as a young man. I am happy Tebow won.
If he stays healthy, he will win it again, and possibly three times. Why not. Look at the history
he has already established. Like him or not, he's a class act. When Bobby Bowden was asked why he didn't recruit him, he said that it was close to Christmas and when he walked into the home and saw the family Christmas tree covered in Gator ornaments, he decided then to just leave.

Posted by pdhuff on December 11, 2007 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TDTN- How was the meeting?

Posted by martinvolfan on December 12, 2007 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Badger Billy: Tell Bucky to crawl back into the hole where he came from. Fans from the cheeshead state have no credibility down here in Dixie. Did you know that the mighty badger is from the weasel/otter family? No Yankees allowed on this here sight. Don't be surprised if Smokey does the Big Orange Polka on youz guy's hide!
Go Vols! Beat DA BADgerzzz!

Posted by orangebloodgmc on December 12, 2007 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Badgerbilly, when you eat too much cheese ...

Posted by pdhuff on December 12, 2007 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Badgerbilly, welcome. Op-ed points are interesting, sometimes.

Just run the ball (as you do) straight at the Vols and we'll usually put on a clinic on how not to tackle. Our CBs will have many more stops than our LBs. Run wide and you'll give our DBs time to close. But straight ahead as Hester at LSU and others have done, Lord help us.

And don't throw any 8 yd curls. We've had our quota this year, thank you. I think Bama and Fla plus Cal had 5-600 yds on those.

But you'll have to figure out how to stop a three-yd quick toss on 3rd and 8. Wait, that don't make sense. Well, he#l we'll run it anyway. One final note, I can guarantee you wo'nt get behind our CBs. We know how to drop back. Have a big time in Tamper. Oh, you've already got this scouting report. Fla & Bama film! We're on film with those outings! Oh well. Go Vols.

Posted by tngeoff on December 12, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff,

Uff da!