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Tennessee’s Dan Williams, front, hauls down Georgia’s Thomas Brown as Xavier Mitchell, right, closes on the play Saturday at Neyland Stadium. Comments by Mississippi State coach Sylvester Croom have fired up the Vols’ defensive line.
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- When: Saturday, Oct. 13, 2007, 2:30 p.m.
- Where: Away Davis Wade Stadium at Scott Field, Starkville, MS
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Almost anything can find its way onto the famed bulletin board in college football.
Quotes. Stats. Stories. Columns.
They all have their role in the tactics coaches employ from week to week to gain a motivational edge.
But for Mississippi State coach Sylvester Croom's name to find its way to the old bulletin board in advance of No. 25 Tennessee's game Saturday (TV: Pay-per-view, 2:30 p.m. EDT) at Starkville raised a few eyebrows in the Vols' locker room.
"It is a little bit (surprising)," junior linebacker Jerod Mayo said Tuesday. "We don't do things like that at Tennessee, give what do you call it? Post board material?
"You know he's a coach, and whatever he wants to say he can say."
Tennessee's players are already well aware of what was said last Saturday following the Bulldogs' come-from-behind victory over UAB.
"Tennessee knows we're going to run the football," is how Croom was quoted in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger. "Clear and simple. That's the way we're going to start the football game. So they better get nine of 'em at the line of scrimmage."
It didn't get too garbled, either, from Croom's mouth to Tennessee's ears.
"I heard what he said," Mayo said. "'Put nine in the box.'
"They challenged our manhood, saying they're going to run the football, we better put nine people in the box, things like that. You definitely have to get up for things like that, being a competitor such as myself and the rest of my teammates."
Mayo and his teammates proved they can stop the run last week, even without bringing help from the secondary.
Heading into last week's game, the Vols ranked 88th in the nation against the run, yielding an average of 188 rushing yards in four games.
All the Vols (3-2, 1-1 SEC) did was turn in their most complete defensive performance of the season, holding Georgia to 69 yards rushing on 25 carries.
Weakside linebacker Rico McCoy and Mayo finished with 11 tackles each.
Eight defensive linemen combined for 22 tackles, led by Demonte' Bolden and Xavier Mitchell with four each.
"We were all on the same page," McCoy said. "The defensive line did a heck of a job. They played their gaps well, and we were able to run free and make tackles."
That's the goal again this week.
The Bulldogs (4-2, 1-2) will start Anthony Dixon, who had a career-high 157 yards on 32 carries last week after losing his starting job.
Last week's starter, Christian Ducre will still get some carries against the Vols.
But Ducre and Dixon won't be compared to other running backs around the SEC, at least not by UT defensive coordinator John Chavis.
And it all has to do with avoiding that bulletin board.
"I don't compare players or teams," said Chavis, who went on to call both players quality SEC backs. "You guys do that. You guys do that for a living. It's not going to be on the bulletin board when you compare them, so you can do that."
Mitchell won't get caught up in the old bulletin board game.
The only worthwhile thing tacked up there in the Mississippi native's eyes is an extra look at the opponent's scouting report.
"We have a bulletin board, but the only time I really look at it is when I look at the personnel to see who we're playing, who we're going against - height, weight, that kind of thing," Mitchell said. "Bulletin board material doesn't mean anything. No matter what's said, anybody can beat anybody any given Saturday."
Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.
© 2007, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.
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Posted by grvol on October 9, 2007 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Crooms probably read that Vols told Tebow to "bring it on". He probably watched that game and laughed.
Posted by TNWOLFPUP on October 9, 2007 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CRVOL/TouchdownTN ..... you both probably need to take this one...
Posted by RangerForSix on October 9, 2007 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We'll score 35 to 40 points.
Will they?
Posted by Colliervol on October 9, 2007 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We'll put 35 on them. The question is can Miss State score that many. Doubtful. Ainge has done a good job running the offense and, so far, the running backs haven't had fumbleitis. Defense stuffed the run last week and GA has more offensive talent than State. Miss State is down to two freshmen QB's and I think they'll have problems if we just come to play.
Posted by B_A_VOL on October 9, 2007 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CRVol, sounds like you have a bit of hope. Good job. Our secondary is improving allowing us to put more pressure on the run. 9 in the box is a tad much though. A good football team can go 8 in the box but not 9. Lets see if we truly are a good football team this weekend.
Posted by hiresanders on October 9, 2007 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We haven't stopped anyone on the road from running on us in almost a year. Why wouldn't Sly be confident?
Posted by 55Vol on October 9, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One game at a time team....... play solid defense, tackle, tackle and tackle..... block , block and block some more and we win...
Posted by nicksjuzunk on October 9, 2007 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This will be a joke provided we don't suffer from the always dangerous "let down after a big win" scenario... which we could.
TN brings the wood and the shed and holds class
TN 45 Miss St. 17
Posted by steve22043 on October 9, 2007 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've gone on record as being critical of negative postings on here before, but I'm about to make one of my own. Can't we get someone motivated to get our coaching staff to get on some kind of a physical fitness program (especially Fulmer)? It must be hard to inspire young people to get in shape when you can't manage your own body. Not that there's not others out there (ND, MD, KS, etc) but the more successful programs tend to be the ones with coaching staffs that can coach themselves.
Posted by Feared_Mustang_Package on October 9, 2007 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He challenged Chavis' manhood more than anyones. I mean Croom isn't saying anything we don't know. Did anyone see the LSU-Miss State game? I think my granny had a couple of interceptions in that one. They came in the 3rd quarter when I wasn't wacthing but she said it was pretty easy to read their offense.
Posted by nicksjuzunk on October 9, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think it also challenges their own (Miss st.)'s manhood. He is basically saying, "We all know that we couldn't throw a football through one of those cut-outs at Dollywood, so our only prayer is to run it every single down. This is our only chance so they better be prepared for it. We sure as heck aren't prepared to throw."
Two whipped Bulldog's in a row. Don't call PETA.
Posted by orangeblood on October 10, 2007 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I say don't worry how many you put in the box. Just line up and play smash-mouth football like last saturday. Trust the running game and hand the ball to hardesty a little more...throw a few flares to coker...we should win....oh......let me see......41-3....if not a complete shutout.
Posted by DannyVol on October 10, 2007 at 2:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We better be hungry because Miss. State will be. At 4-2, there is only one expected win remaining on their schedule, Ole Miss. With bowl eligibility in question, we will certainly get their best.
Strange things happen in Starkville. Good, even great teams often play poorly there. Just ask Steve Spurrier, who had more problems there while at Florida than anywhere else. It's also become sort of a graveyard for SEC coaches on the hot seat, like Mike Shula and Ron Zook.
I fully expect us to win, just like Auburn expected to beat them at home earlier this season. Even with Spurrier's history vs. MSU, South Carolina probably wasn't expecting an all-out struggle to beat them at home earlier this season.
Mississippi State plays hard enough in every game to overcome their lack of talent from time-to-time. I hope our team knows that. Hopefully, Mississippi State's win at Auburn was their lone surprise of the season.
Posted by nicksjuzunk on October 10, 2007 at 2:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They are a scrappy bunch who usually seem to come up just short. Let's hope that the Vols can put them out of it early.
Ainge should probably be about 24 for 24 with 3 touchdowns. Afterwards, I hear that he will be performing miracles. Vol fans still won't be impressed though as they recall when Peyton leaped over buildings in a single bound and faked Alabama on a bootleg keeper with bullets bouncing off his chest.
Posted by why36knot on October 10, 2007 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Bulls--t board is just that. I think Crooms was saying that they were going to call a lot of run plays and Tennessee didn't need to worry about the pass.......but then I am the eternal optimist.
Some of you Fulmer haters need to geta life.
you are sick! You want so badly for Fulmer to be fired ecause you have told all your working buddies and friends that you can't wait to see it take place . So even if the tema wins all of the rest of the games you still want him fired.
You hope the team loses all of the rest of the games >........YOU ARE SICK!!
Posted by iowavol on October 10, 2007 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't care how big their back is, if we fill the gaps our LB's will make plays. Said that for the first four games. We did it last week and the result was perfection. Anyway, with their arial acumen, put nine in the box and make them throw it. We would have 3 or 4 int's with one returned for a td.
Posted by RunRunPassPunt on October 10, 2007 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You gotta think Cut will be pretty juiced to go against Woody's offense. And now with Chavis fired up, it should make for an interesting game. Lets keep up the intensity! Go Vols!
Posted by orangebloodgmc on October 10, 2007 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Could it be that Croom is trying to set up our young dbs to burn them with a play-action pass? Seems like that might work one time, but I doubt 1 td would be enough to help.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mississippi State vs. Auburn 2007
Fair warning for those who think this game is in the bag.
http://sports.aol.com/ncaafb/story/_a...
Florida vs. Auburn 2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/photos?...
Play one game at a time. Do not underestimate opposition. Do not be deceived by what you wish is true vs what is really true. Not negative. Just factual.
Posted by volunteerTY23 on October 10, 2007 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
we stopped the run against UGA, another week, another bulldog, another W for the VOLS. vols 42 msu 10
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tyronious23,
Good grief.
Posted by waterskier3 on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
what else would miss state say...we have nfl talent and we're going to our talent tn... no he knows the only way to beat us is to go at our weakness and their only strength and thats a average running game.....
Tn should win this game 10 out 10 times so if we lose and its becasue of the run will anyone be surprised??? oh we stopped a ga team that will have 4 losses so now we have a run stop defense...
I'm sorry but i'm jaded because the vols have teased us for the last 7 years with maybe a sec championship but they choke....lol.. I still love them or i wouldn't get so pissed at be an average team
GO VOLS!!!!
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tyronious23
The Ostrich effect
From Wikipedia
The “ostrich effect” is the phenomenon of ignoring an obvious situation. This can take place in a variety of situations. For example, someone who constantly spends beyond their means and wonders why they never have savings. Also common in business where management will "bury their head in the sand" and wonder why their business is failing.
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Please...the Ostrich Effect is a dangerous thing. Let's get some more games under our belts before we start strutting (crowing about this past Saturday is somewhat akin to what Georgia fans ALWAYS do). Just a suggestion that should make sense.
Recovery Process
Step # 1 - Read this: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.d....
Step # 2 - Check out Mississippi State's season thus far. BEAT Auburn (Haven't I seen everybody and their Brother on here doing the stupid "If somebody beat somebody then that means we will kill them?")...you may Remember who Auburn has beaten (read about Florida vs. Auburn 2007 and select the team that is being discussed that was on the winning side of that game). MSU also lost a pretty good game AT South Carolina to Phil Fulmers biggest admirer. Does this mean I think we will lose? NO. It means that there lurks many teams that have the capability of winning on any given Saturday and before you or anyone else starts imagining we won the National Championship last Saturday...you may want to retool that thought process.
Step # 3 - When posting be sure that you know your competition.
If all steps above are taken with zeal, you can recover...as can anyone else who is suffering from the Ostrich Effect.
Be enthused...but don't be ridiculous.
Posted by jdcvols on October 10, 2007 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
whynot, are you still nursing from your mother's breast? or is your head still in the sandbox. What a stupid post.
Posted by Basketball_Jones on October 10, 2007 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There are no gimme's for the Vols. Want to see bulletin board material look at the SI Commerative Issue that just came out for 75 years of SEC Football. It has Crooms listed as one the Top 5 coaching legends. I'm sure its only because he's the 1st African American coach in the SEC but c'mon no need to put him in the Top 5.
I think UT wins big, 41-10.
Posted by sjt18 on October 10, 2007 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If UT plays like they did against UGA then 42-10 is not a bad pick.
Crooms may also be playing a head game to set up for some surprise passes. They need something to help in that area.
Miss St certainly has the ability to grind it out and win. If UT comes in unprepared or somehow flat then it automatically becomes a game. Anything can happen in CFB and especially this year.
However, MSU isn't a "great" football team. They are definitely one dimensional. USCe put 38 points on them. The Cocks are not better offensively than the Vols. If UT's D shows up and prevents 1st downs then they should win comfortably and the game should be out of reach by the half. If MSU is able to hold onto the ball and keep UT's O off the field then it gets much tougher.
Croom's gameplan options are limited to that. He has to try to run and hold on to the ball. UT needs to win the kicking game and get field position. If they can get some early scoring then MSU will be forced into doing things they don't want to do on both sides of the ball.
Posted by GerryOP on October 10, 2007 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One "big" win and all of a sudden our FootVols are the high and mighty self righteous effete snobs "... we don't do that bulletin board stuff ..." So, which team shows up in Starkville on Saturday? Our October team or our September team?
Fulmer has been good for one big win a season for the past few years. This year UGa (Not as big a win as some of us would like to believe -- maybe UGa was over rated?), last year Cal (Did we catch them a year early?) and the year before, LSU (I guess playing a team shortly after their lives have been totally devastated by hurricanes helps?)
I've been a "true fan" since 1961 and want the Vols to win every game. But I am tired of the mediocrity and the BS Fulmer hands out when we lose -- perfect storm, played their butts off, gotta look at the tapes, x points short of going undefeated, no magic dust, yada, yada, yada. We come out and stink up the place the first four games and then, all of a sudden, the FootVols leadership "rights the ship" and all is well -- until next time.
Run the table, win the SEC Championship, win a BCS bowl, have a grand retirement party for Coach Phillip A. Fulmer and give him his gold retirement watch. It's time to move on.
Posted by mparker on October 10, 2007 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
playing a running team CAN be a lot of fun for a d-lineman, assuming he has some talent. you actually get to hit people, as opposed to rushing a passing qb and always having to let up.
I think Coach Croom is trying to challenge his team more than he's ripping tenn. He's an old Alabama center, from the good ole days, and he is a tough, tough man. IMHO, the toughest people in the world are o-linemen (bsides soldiers and firefighters, of course, and the occasional pissed-off soccer mom).
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TouchdownTN: That would be "you're", not "your". If you're going to waste space here, at least get your spelling/grammar correct. You moe-ron.
Posted by webbofconfusion on October 10, 2007 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lack of intensity.....
Vols get a another lack luster victory over an underestimated team, that they should destroy.
Glad to see a big win against Georgia... but to drop the intenstiy... Shame on the defense.
won't look at the bulletin board, but will practice against someone dress as superman... shame, shame.
Mitchell needs to turn the screw and tighen things up.... get the intensity back.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow CR..your wit is razor sharp
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TD: I assure you I have only this one.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TD: You're absolutely wrong on this one. What would be the point?
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TD: I won't waste anymore space on the board on this topic, but you're wrong (as usual). i don't need multiple alias's to burn your lame butt.
One last time...I have NEVER used another name on this, or any other post.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by TouchdownTN
"The Cause: Too much Orange Kool-aid
The Effect: The Ostrich effect
TNGeoff: It will take additional losses before some Vol fans get their heads out of the sand."
Very well said. I am still trying to figure out who exactly jdcvols was posting to about their mothers breast and head in the sand. Reality is important. Pipe dreams are for those who live in a self created fantasy world. We looked great last Saturday. Last Saturday is gone. We looked like a high school team (part of the offense excepted) against the gators. Same team same coach two diametrically opposed outcomes. Anybody who thinks we have arrived beyond a doubt is on something far stronger than kool-aid. Like I said...play one game at a time. But...just for grins...naybe some of the Ostrich Effect folks can help the coach out by creating some unique excuses for him if we should fall backwards again on Saturday.
Post theoretical excuses here:
Sample: Jupiter was not inline with Mars as we had expected.
Thank you.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TNGEOFF
Then peace will guide the planets, and love will steer the stars...Go Vols!
CR: I fail to get your point
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack,
That my friend was PRICELESS!!
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TouchdownTN,
Ouch! Are you saying...add me to the list of CRVol screen names? C'mon Bro'. You didn't really say that...did you? I will agree with CRVol on the need for new material. Here's where you'll see a clear and present difference between the esteemed CRVol and myself. KNS..in our desire for additional new material...please do an expose on how we ended up with the current coach.
Thank you.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good read:
http://bravesandbirds.blogspot.com/20...
Posted by webbofconfusion on October 10, 2007 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey kids, Pull your heads out of the sand box... and realize you are all VOL fans...
Throwing stones at one another... Really...
Brilliant!
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
why36knot,
Gosh. a psychologist. Thanks Doc.
Posted by jdcvols on October 10, 2007 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree webb. I'm positive that tngeoff and CRVol are different people and Tommyjack (hilljack) is not human.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JDC: I think you had one too many practices without wearing your head-gear. I know NOTHING about hilljack. I'm relatively new to this board..don't have a clue who hilljack is. Don't taze me, bro
Posted by UltraVolDavid on October 10, 2007 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The drama on this site cracks me the hell up. CRVol is my favorite. In the real world, I'd like to be his friend.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ultra: Are you well?
Posted by GreerVol22 on October 10, 2007 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jwray...you said farted dude.....hugh! hugh!hugh!
Posted by west_tn_volfan on October 10, 2007 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have news for all of you. None of you really exist, your all just figments of my imagination. Make the voices stop!
Posted by jdcvols on October 10, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tommyjack, sorry! My good friend TOUCHDOWNTN had me convinced that you were posing as someone else.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
west_tn_volfan,
Listen carefully to the sounds of the hounds howling. It is Smokey and all his past namesakes speaking at one time. They speak as though a thousand at one time. The sound is deafening. They are commanding you to do things to CRVol. You must obey! They only speak to a chosen few and you have been chosen. The voices can NEVER stop...until you obey their collective command! Go west_tn_volfan...do as they have commanded! Tennessee will only get back to Championship form if you are able to successfully carry out their command! Do things to the one known to the bloggosphere simply as CRVol. LOOK! Jupiter has aligned with Mars! Hurry!
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JDC: No problema...TD is simply delusional
Posted by txsvol on October 10, 2007 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When this was a paid site, I felt obligated to read fellow fans' posts to get ready for the game. Now, I'm trying to decide whether somebody buried somebody else's mother's breast in the sand, or if it's really worth re-reading what I've scanned? Does this have anything to do with playing Miss State? Sly Croom was a fantastic college and pro player, and with the right material, and all scholarships intact, he is perfectly capable of beating us. All this juvenile bickering is unworthy of UT graduates! Where are CollierVol, IVK, and even DSAVol, and all those 'Ledbetters' named Bubba? Speaking of which, what years did former fertilizer salesman Jerry Clower play for Miss. State? Go Vols! SAVol
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
txsvol ,
Good point Bro'. Sorry. I was distracted. My early posts here speak only to seriousness. You are right though. Back to reality. Saturday is a bigger game than most seem to realize. Croom has the potential to hurt our season big time since that wouldn't really represent one of the potential losses we thought COULD happen. Now...this many weeks into the season and with SI naming him as one the top 5 SEC Coaches, we better get ready, or it will be a terrible trip back home for players and those who attend from here.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TXSVOL: You're right. I apologize for getting caught up in the trivial (fun, tho)...I'm in TX too, right up the road from you
Posted by jawjavol on October 10, 2007 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am concerned about the physical play of these Bullodgs. Our D looked good against a finesse offensive line that did not show up. These guys have the size to blow people off the line the way we did last week. I like our chances this week but I think the game will be tight at least into the third quarter. Miss ST will stall more of our drives but Ainge will have prettier stats than last week.
Our coaching situation will work itself out on the merits of our record. I think it is time for a change as well and I hope Fulmer will retire soon. This would be the best outcome for our program. I am not a Fulmer basher/hater/apologist but chances are a different coach with less recruiting ability might have a worse record over the last few seasons than Fulmer. Tennessee does not have enough talent in-state to annually compete for championships but the numbers are improving.
Let's just all work together to pull them through the cow paddies...er cowbells this week!
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jawjavol,
Good stuff. Just one thing I wonder about. I hear about Tennessee not having much talent. I agree that the numbers aren't the same (population density), but an awful lot of extremely good Tennessee High Schol players go elsewhere and turn in outstanding performances. You may not know from my posts that I think Johnny Majors is awesome. However, I think he is the one that started that National trend whereby we have become more of a University of the United States than the University of Tennessee. I just wonder if the right coach made it obvious to all Tennessee talent that they were welcome her and wanted here, if we couldn't put out a strong team year in and year out. If you look at * Appy State, * Carson Newman and even many SEC powers and other National Powers...lots of Tennessee home grown talent. What say you all?
By the way...incredible coaching jobs at those two schools!
Posted by vol4jesus on October 10, 2007 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Recess is over children out of the sandbox....now children get back to serious posting please and on the article. Yes Cr___ ? He said what to ewe? Oh my, we will have to punish _____. Why are you laughing CR___? Its like you set him up to get in trouble. Young Mr. Croom is trying to play with the big boys so don't punish him for being challenged to blend in. Yes, vol4jesus I will pull for the VOLS this weekend.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jAWGA..I agree re Majors. He lifted expectations and brought ENERGY, spirit, and some excellent players. Sustaining that energy for 15-20 years, however, is almost impossible. Look at Joe Pa, Bowden, Holtz et al. (CPF too?) These guys don't forget the game..the game doesn't pass them by...just tough to maintain the intensity needed year after year...My 2 Cents
Posted by bigbluevol on October 10, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think there is some talent in state, but it's not all top tier. Occasionaly we lose a guy that we really would like (Patrick Turner, Michael Oher, etc) but we do pretty well. I think that the guys who go to App State and Carson Newman are good players, but they're not the great type of D 1 talent that UT needs to compete. The strategy, and it has worked pretty well, has been to try to lock in the best in state guys and then fill out the class with kids from around the country.
Posted by bigbluevol on October 10, 2007 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As for the physical play of MSU, I think that's true, but UAB was able to force them into a comeback situation. This UAB team is nowhere near the team that fought us tooth and nail in 05 (not that that was a great team, either, but my point remains.) As long as we come out prepared and focused, we should be ok. No looking down the road, taking care of the football, and tackling are the recipe for victory.
Posted by CrankE on October 10, 2007 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What was a "mere" sandwich game for the Vols now seems to have gotten their full, undivided attention.
I can't imagine how they'd overlook this game now. I think Croom has sealed his Doom.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As much as it pains me to say, I find myself in agreement with CR. May God have mercy on me...
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CRVol,
Might be right...but I have NO idea what the heck he is talking about in his last post. I'm trying to be serious as per request...but that post sounds like someone who is waiting for the men in the white jackets to take him away. Confused and disoriented for sure.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm talking about vols4jesus...not CRVol. I KNOW what CRVol was saying.
Posted by jdcvols on October 10, 2007 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TOUCHDOWNTN, have you lost your mind. Stick with the article.
Posted by txsvol on October 10, 2007 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, guys! When the MS State cheerleaders run onto the field, and the cowbells in the stands start ringing, y'all say, "How 'bout THEM dogs!" (Apologies to Lewis Grizzard.) Hope no Vol entrepreneur has the audacity to pull the cheap Texas Tech stunt, in honor of Tacky Jackie Sherrill's tenure at both A & M and State, and sell T-shirts with a bulldog in a noose, saying, "Vick 'em!" (Or, sell spay or neuter bumper stickers!) So, the Volunteer Air Force has to land in cowpastures the next two weeks, with one in eastern Mississippi, and the following week, in western Alabama? Where do the RV's have to park? Give me a feel for the situation, guys, I have to work this weekend! Go Vols! SAVol
Posted by cnalumni on October 10, 2007 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UT should win this game but not by much. The 7 point line is pretty accurate. Miss state is a very physical team. Their players are a reflection of their coach. As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on the toughness of UT's Defense and offense, with the exception of Berry. He is the real deal. The players could get beat up before heading to Bama, It is definitely gut check time.
Posted by vol4jesus on October 10, 2007 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gotta have the mind first to lose it...right CR__ or whichever post ewe want to use this time. A while back you told us you used multiple post names. Sorry for the confusion. The article was about practice so I infused Mr. Allen Iverson's comments about practice from the past. I also was reminding CR___ the article was about Bball practice, not the Coach of the football team.
Hopefully that cleared up some of the fog for the poster children. Oh CR___ thanks for another classless dig shamefully written. Your reputation for caustic postings is in no danger of fading anytime soon. Nonetheless have a nice day:) in poster land.
Another attempt at a kinder/gentler post
Posted by 10ACVOL on October 10, 2007 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please, we'll stomp these dawgs too. Dixon is a good back tho. I'm heading down to Starkville, gonna watch the vols put the 2nd L in BULLDOGS.
Posted by jobrando on October 10, 2007 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DOES CRVOL OWN THIS SITE. EVERY OTHER POST IS HIS NAME. You all have played into his GAME.
Posted by sjt18 on October 10, 2007 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cnalumni, I don't know that "should" applies. Maybe that is what you expect.
UT "should" beat MSU by a comfortable margin and it should be out of reach by the end of the first half. MSU is one dimensional. UT is not. That goes for both sides of the ball.
Contrary to those who want to see UT grind it out from the start, I believe they need to score twice early to pressure MSU into throwing more. If I won the toss, I'd take the ball.
If UT's D shows up again and gets some early stops then it will be a solid win in UT's favor.
Crooms really doesn't have a lot of options on how to game plan this. I think that's what he was saying more so than challenging anything or anyone.
Posted by jerseythunderhawk on October 10, 2007 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tennessee needs to reopen the Jersey connection.
Posted by invisiblekid on October 10, 2007 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's a real stretch to think Croom meant that in any way, shape, or form as a sign of disrespect for the Vols. The Bulldogs are the 116nth ranked passing offense in the country and Croom knows they won't stand a chance if they are left to rely on their passing game. Whatever it takes to get the Vols fired up these days is fine with me though, "visualize and attack" fellas "visualize and attack".
Posted by invisiblekid on October 10, 2007 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TXSVol/SAVol, I am still around friend, just hard to rise out of the quagmire that is GoVolsExtra sometimes. My guess on Jerry Clower is 1946-50.
Posted by invisiblekid on October 10, 2007 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Must have missed out on the particulars of CRVol becoming THE omniscient puppetmaster on GoVols LOL. Thanks for the update jobrando.
Posted by jerseythunderhawk on October 10, 2007 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CRVol,
You may be powerful...but there is NO...ZIPPO...NADA way that you can get Phillip Fulmer fired...inspite of his steadily declining performances. He's way too connected. That's how he got there in the first place. The new AD hasn't the cahones to let him go under any circumstances.
Posted by jerseythunderhawk on October 10, 2007 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's like the Mexican political system. Nobody has any say and no matter how bad things get...keep it to yourself or risk serious consequences. I have read posts all over this story and others and you can see the covert operatives trying go shore Fulmer up. Just go online and read any of about a dozen or more articles and columns that present clear and obvious evidence that he is in one of the worst declines in Tennessee football history, but his job is safe. Pull of an unexpected win every four years and voila! He is supreme again.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jerseythunderhawk,
Good points Bro'.
Posted by SmokeDog72 on October 10, 2007 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is highly likely that Croom's comments could get taken out of context. I don't think he will be taking the "Most Eloquent" award away from SEC Media days any time soon.
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ok TDTN. I'll bite. What is THE TRUTH?
Posted by TommyJack on October 10, 2007 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What am I missing here?
Posted by CoachPumpkin on October 10, 2007 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Does anyone else think the picture they showed of Phat Phil and (AFRO) Chavis during Georgia game was the funniest thing ever seen?
Posted by VolJas on October 10, 2007 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a couple of fantastic seats available for the game Saturday. 18 rows up on the 45 opposite side of the student section. A buddy of mine has gotten my wife and me into a box seat for the game. I'll sell the seats at face value if anyone's interested. johns@andersontully.com
Posted by VolJas on October 10, 2007 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Too late... tickets just got sold.
Go Vols!
Posted by mtoms1272 on October 10, 2007 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great game against GA, but if the Vols tank against MSU that Ga game won't mean anything.
Posted by cnalumni on October 10, 2007 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SmokeDog72,
Playing football is not about being eloquent. I bet Croom knows how to line up and smack people in the mouth. Now thats football!!!!
"Eloquent" you have been watching too much tennis
Posted by jawjavol on October 10, 2007 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I had an intense discussion with my dad earlier tonight up at Norris Lake over The "box" comment. He's all fired up about it and ready to strap it on and use his last year of eligibilty now. I say Croom was just stating the obvious.... that State will not be able to pass with two untested true Freshman QB's... and will have to line it up behind their hogs and try to run it. If we want to twist this into some sort of grand controversey to motivate the team then so be it but I for one have a difficult time vilifying Coach Croom on this one... Bammer alum or not!
Posted by vol4jesus on October 10, 2007 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CR____ your fascination with potty control or not could be an obsession. Be careful in how you pontificate as the grand'Poovah' of posters. Let's try to keep the conversation from going outside the 'box.' Did you ever tell us what CR stands for? I know we have guessed in the past ,but if you would illumine us with that it might help us to serve(those who will) your emminence in a manner pleasing to you. Croom will have his dawgs ready for a scruffle in Starkville so we better be ready for physical 60 minutes.
Posted by tngeoff on October 10, 2007 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It stands for Correct Response.
Posted by SmokeDog72 on October 10, 2007 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CNalumni,
Sorry for the use of eloquent. I should have just said that Croom sounds like an idiot to me when he is interviewed. I know that has nothing to do with football IQ, but I personally enjoy understanding what my head coach is talking about. I guess MSU fans don't.
Posted by jawjavol on October 10, 2007 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anybody else hear miss Leonard's Losers?
Posted by UltraVolDavid on October 11, 2007 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Do not underestimate CRVol. His points are always valid, his facts irrefutable. The sentiments he expresses are based on logic and observation. Those of us who are most critical are the ones who care the most about the program, IMO. CRVol, TouchdownTN, tngeoff, ya'lls posts are the most entertaining on this site. Stay the course!
Posted by sjt18 on October 11, 2007 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Do you have the power to make CPF make racist comments in the locker room or to have a heart attack? There is no comparison between what goes into firing a baseball and a football coach at UT... You know that.
CPF's position ranks right up there with the governor. I'm surprised it doesn't take impeachment hearings to get rid of the Vol HC.
By all appearances, there isn't going to be a coup though I get the impression alot of people would like to see something ugly at UT involving CPF's dismissal. There is more than likely going to be a pretty objective evaluation process... as there should be.
Posted by sjt18 on October 11, 2007 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A coup at this point isn't one of those things... barring some kind of health problem for Fulmer or some ethical/legal problem.
Posted by itsgr82bag8r on October 11, 2007 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vols win by 17. (depending on which defense shows up)
Posted by tngeoff on October 12, 2007 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UltraVolDavid,
Thanks Bro'! Keep the Faith!
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