Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guess we'll just have to see who shows up when and how. I'll be waiting in Atlanta of course and forget the Peach Bowl- It's either ALL or NOTHING.

Posted by Basketball_Jones on October 12, 2007 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang you John...How dare you not proclaim The University of Tennessee the Greatest Football team of all time. They will tie with no one! :)

Posted by hiresanders on October 12, 2007 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why would anyone (other than UF) want to win the east just to get your pounding from LSU?? We'll lose to either Bama or SC (or both) and end up in Atlanta all right, for another Peach Bowl beat down from an ACC team (BC or VT).

Posted by Colliervol on October 12, 2007 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too many uncertainties to call this one. It'll be a tall order but I like our chances to win out just as much as I do Florida's or South Carolina's. After the KY game, we can analyze it. Until then, it's all speculation.

Posted by cnalumni on October 12, 2007 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hiresanders: Ditto

Posted by sjt18 on October 12, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Were you really that impressed with LSU against Tulane, SC, and UF?

They play like a team looking for an opportunity to lose.

Posted by reachkim00 on October 12, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go Gators! As long as Fulmer is HC, forget anything more than the Peach Bowl or less..

Posted by 55Vol on October 12, 2007 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reachkim00.....this Volunteer country girly. You can get off the bus in Gainesville at any time.

Posted by mtnvol on October 12, 2007 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John Adams' son said "...only a fool would try to predict the outcome" and then does so. Enough said from this clown!

Posted by flstf on October 12, 2007 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pennington = no creditability.

hiresanders = idiot

Posted by Oenoboy on October 12, 2007 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would love for us to have an opportunity to go to Atlanta and play LSU for a chance at payback for 2001 and a shot at a BCS bowl game. As great a team LSU is, they are still beatible.

firesanders and cnalumni have already crowned them SEC Champs. I would rather our boys have their say in that.

I feel we'll likely lose one more conference game on the road but believe we will go undefeated at home. The Florida game at South Carolina could keep us in the poll position. I have a feeling Spurrier is going to pull off the home win and give the Gators thier 3rd SEC loss.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you all can do what you want... but lsu is the only undefeated team in the conference and beat a team that beat tenn by 39.

some of y'all (sjt18) might want to show lsu the proper respect.

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't think anyone is knocking LSU. It appears some Gators are still dazed and confused and reality is setting in that they got beat by 1 good team and an unranked team. What must really be hurting is a gator that is now hoping Tennessee loses another game just so they can go to the SEC champ. OUUUUCHHHH!!!!

Posted by asurugby on October 12, 2007 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reachkim00 - Really? Go gators. Lets look at the track record. We lost to a ranked team our first game of the year. Florida played pillow biter tech for their first game. Then we Lost to you - another ranked team (why I am not yet sure). Then you lost to Auburn - an unranked team and LSU. I say I don't care where we wind up and who we play. I hope we win, but if we don't my motto is a day of UT football win or lose is better than a day at work. You Fulmer haters keep quiet. He got us a National Championship and several SEC ones too. If you want to gripe about something then gripe about the NCAA and the NFL letting kids sign up before they have a degree and leaving their teammates hanging in the breeze. Meacham got what he deserved on his first reception as a Saint against the Steelers.

Posted by KingsportVol on October 12, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's sad that we have to depend on other SEC teams to get us to where we all want to be.In Atlanta.The Gator asswhipping is over.Get over it biatches.Some of us are trying to enjoy the rest of the season.Go Big Orange!!!!!

reachkim00 are you man enough to coach this team?

Posted by asurugby on October 12, 2007 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I must say though - It was a beautiful sight leaving Neyland last Saturday and getting back to the Methodist Church parking lot to see that all the UGA fans had tucked tail and headed back to the woods.

Posted by 55Vol on October 12, 2007 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pennington is a donut shop waiting to happen......

Posted by sjt18 on October 12, 2007 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, I respect LSU. They are by far and away the most talented team in the country... and they were last year too. If they are that good though... they haven't played anywhere close to their potential in at least 3 of their games.

VT was really the only impressive win they've had.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

ok, then. just checking. i obviously have had issues with most of your posts today. so, i wanted to make sure on this one.

lsu is the only team i've seen that can win against a quality opponent without its "A" game. to me, that's impressive.

as tenn and florida have both shown, you don't bring your "A" game every week.

Posted by west_tn_volfan on October 12, 2007 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see us winning out. I hope we do but one good game doesn't convince me. If we do, then I think we would be competitive against LSU because the team that lost to Fla.can't win out so to do so would mean this team has turned the corner. I hope I'm wrong and we go to the right game in Atl.this year only time will tell.

Posted by phi0129 on October 12, 2007 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oenoboy: My thoughts exactly...everyone else keep in mind we were just as big of favorites against LSU in the 2001 SEC championship game as they would be this year. Let's be honest. On any given Saturday in the SEC 7-8 teams can win the game. Having said that, LSU is without a doubt the best team in the country this year. That defense is downright scary. But I also think TN can put up some points against that D. It would come down to how our D responds. In all likelihood we are all going to look foolish for talking about the SEC championship in about a month. Let's just hope that Fulmer has one good run left in that belly...

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let the Gators wring their hands and wonder if the VOLS will lose another sec game. Let the VOLS play harder and take care of their own business and try to make it to the SEC champ game. If VOLS make it, then we can worry about LSU and the gators can think about taking the mass transit system to a bowl in Orlando.

Posted by sjt18 on October 12, 2007 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually like jabbing with you 99gator. I despise your team but you challenge me. The guys who just want to argue get boring pretty fast.

I like LSU OK. After UT, I pull for SEC teams OOC except for UF. Rarely will I pull for them... maybe against ND.

IMO, Miles is probably the worst coach in the SEC. That's not saying he's completely without ability. The bar is pretty high in the SEC. Had he been a better coach, he's had the talent to win the NC each year he's been at LSU. Saban left him on top.

Posted by sjt18 on October 12, 2007 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FTR, IF LSU makes it to Atlanta, they'll have a fight with whoever weathers the storm in the East and comes out on top. It will also be the first time all year long that they will have played a top tier opponent outside of BR.

Auburn isn't out of it. If they beat LSU and don't lose any more then they win the tie breaker.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

as i have said before... i don't hate tenn the same way i hate georgia and fsu.

being on this site this year has taught me one thing.... tenn is obsessed with florida. to the point it might actually affect them on the field.

after the tenn-fl game, you knew fl still had to play georgia, s.c., lsu. then auburn pulls off the upset.

i am surprised people are shocked florida lost a couple of conference games and tenn is back in the hunt.

all you had to do is look at SEC media days to know how topsy turvy the east would be. i think predictions of the east champ were split pretty evenly among florida, sc, georgia, and tenn. yet, folks are surprised it is playing out that way.

Posted by asurugby on October 12, 2007 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I must agree w/ 99gator on the hatred for florida thing. I understand hating Spurrier for being a turncoat and his incessant smack talking back in the day.

Posted by 55Vol on October 12, 2007 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18...
"IMO, Miles is probably the worst coach in the SEC. That's not saying he's completely without ability. The bar is pretty high in the SEC. Had he been a better coach, he's had the talent to win the NC each year he's been at LSU. Saban left him on top."

Thank you. I was laughed off an earlier post for saying the same thing about Miles. Some of the FUBAR-FireFulmer dudes say Fulmer won the NC because of superior talent and poor coaching. If ever there was a definition of that it is Les Miles. His teams are undisciplined, turn the ball over alot, and are penalized more so than many others. LSU still wins. I agree that the talent is winning in Baton Rouge with poor to adequate coaching. TO his credit he his taking risks that he knows his talent can cover. If he were coaching at a high level, they would run Fla. or anyone else in the country off the field. He does not need to leave LSU for Mich due to the talent available in LA.

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VOLS and Alabama, the 2 most bitter and winningest rivals in the SEC prior to the division split. Now it's the Gators and Vols in the EAST that has become venomous. I don't think the VOLS are so infatuated with Florida as the gators are with Tennessee. Why? This all started when Galen Hall was caught cheating and the Gators got the NCAA axe and their NC yanked. It took years to recover (which they still blame Tennessee for their demise). It was only recently that the Gators won a national champ in football under Spurrier and Meyer. They have been in a desperate race to catch up with everyone else in the SEC which makes them so hostile and infatuated with Tennessee and not so much ALabama. Well, ALabama is Alabama and no can can touch them. Gators now have caught up with Tennessee in series wins. One thing though, they won't catch up in SEC championships-or anyone else. Even if Florida wins the next 30 years against Tennessee, they will always have Auburn and LSU giving the VOLS the possiblity of going to the SEC championship with a Florida loss. That my friends, a Gator can't stand and makes a VOL even happier.

Posted by yemmusdarb on October 12, 2007 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

flstf: "creditability" is not a word.

You have no credibility. And you're calling other people idiots?

Pennington tells it how it is, but none of the writers/columnists that follow UT sports are that great. Hubbs reminds me of a special ed. kid. John Adams is still angry at all the beatings he took in high school. I mean, what do you really expect? All I want to hear is recruiting stories/updates and injury reports. I could care less about any of these writers' opinions on things.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeavols....

what the heck are you talking about. no florida fan cares a lick about tenn other than the importance of the game for the sec title. florida's greatest football glory has been since divisional play started. that's the only time the two schools have played regularly. truth be told, you don't really want to know, not many gator folks have much respect for tenn. to most florida fans, tenn is that program that thinks they are really good with elmer fudd on the sideline that we beat most of the time. i have never heard any gator fan use tenn as some sort of measuring stick for the program. i have never heard anyone envious of tenn or their program. the only program anyone has been envious of in the league, historically, is alabama.

mention tennessee to a florida fan and most of the time you will get, what i'm sure a tennessee fan would think, is an evil grin.

the two teams in the league florida cared about were auburn and georgia before divisional play.

THE program in the sec since divisional play has been florida. which is why there was much rejoicing during the ron zook era in the rest of the league.

while i have been a fan, the measuring stick for florida has been florida state and miami. recently, that has changed.

florida doesn't hold tenn responsible for the 9 million violations during the charlie pell era.

bear bryant referred to florida as a sleeping giant. the sleeping giant is out of hibernation.

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator..don't even try it.

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

P.S. If you don't think FLorida uses Tennessee as a measuring stick..obviously you haven't seen the way Florida plays against Tennessee.

Posted by flstf on October 12, 2007 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yemmusdarb, yeah your right I did misspell "credibility" so I guess that proves that I in fact have no credibility here. Funny thing is that I'm just a member and poster to this web site, I'm not being paid to have "credibility". But if I were to be lucky enough to be a talk show host for, say a Salvage Company, I guess that would give me all the credibility and expertise needed.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeavols

well you have to win the game to win the sec. no doubt.

but obviously, you don't live in florida. in the 80's and 90's, florida, florida state and miami were each other's measuring stick.

that's not smack talk. that's not disrespect. that's truth.

Posted by yeavols on October 12, 2007 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't imagine using FSU or Miami as a measuring stick and not the VOLS..last time I checked the VOLS drilled both teams in the last games..no really..go check

Posted by flstf on October 12, 2007 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

touchdowntn, thanks your opinion means so much to so many.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeavols

you have to be kidding me. florida state finished in the top 5 every year from 1987 through 2000. they either played for or won the national title in 93, 96, 98, 99, 00.

miami won or played for the national title almost every year from 83-94, 00-02. the gap in between were probation years.

that's two programs in your own state, you are competing for with on the field, for recruits, for headlines. that's a measuring stick. not to mention the amount of nfl players who were not just on rosters, but stars.

you just make yourself sound more angry and jealous and prove my point about being "obsessed with florida" by not accepting what i'm telling you. it's not mutual. florida does not have a tennessee complex.

i have avoided talking smack for a while, but i feel i am forced to with the following.... so all other tenn fans please don't be angry with me

if fsu and miami should not have bene measuring sticks for florida, because tenn drilled them. why should tenn be a measuring stick for florida, when florida drills tenn.

Posted by ThurmondEppy on October 12, 2007 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Living here in ATL I watch the Dawgs every year get worked into a frenzy about TN. You would not believe the smack I hear from them every year about "Herschel this" and "hobnail boot" that. They have a complex about us for sure. Now, what that has to do with the price of shampoo in Shinola I have no idea. I'm just trying to figure out where I'm going to move after we run out of water down here. Seriously, we've got three months of water left in ATL because of this drought. Lil help?

Posted by murrayvol on October 12, 2007 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We may not be good enough to beat LSU in Atlanta but I'd like the shot anyway. They weren't good enough to beat us in 01' either but they did. And Miles ain't Saban even if he did roll 5 sevens against the Gators. In closing, there's a boatload of work to be done before that conversation can even begin.

Posted by flstf on October 12, 2007 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TouchdownTN, you can make all the Fulmer jokes ya want, you can call all posters morons ya want, but the simple fact is that the sun will come up tomorrow and Phil Fulmer will still be the football coach at the University of Tennessee.

Do you really think that anyone at the University of Tennessee will take you or the rest of these negavols seriously when your posting these idiotic rantings here? You want to effect change, then start acting like you have some damn sense. The only thing that you and the rest of the negavols are accomplishing is validating your opinions to one another. No one takes you seriously.

Posted by threehundredbowler on October 12, 2007 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator,the gators beat the pee out of us more often than I care to admit.The most talented team does not always win this game.The refs have also had a lot to do with the outcome and always in Florida's favor.However ,the reason we hate Florida is because they seem to have our number even when on paper, we have the best team.We hate losing to you guys all the time so we hate you.St.Steve just added to the hate with his attitude.I can remember when we hated Alabama the same way.Fla. is the team that we want to beat more than any other.I bet we will beat you again sometime in this decade.Well maybe I shouldn't make that bet.

Posted by 99gator on October 12, 2007 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

seven_pin

there was a back and forth that started with a post at 4:49. i want to beat tenn because of the importance of the game. tenn is usually a good team.

but, the reality is (and this comes from a gator), florida hates georgia and fsu more. a lot more. florida people do not obsess with tenn and tenn's program. it's just not the case.

florida recruits against georgia and fsu more often. georgia and fsu games have been more of a source of pain or frustration (historically) than tenn.

from 83 through 06, florida schools have won 9 national titles. over that time span, the strife between miami and fsu and florida has been much deeper than anything (from a florida perspective) between florida and tenn.

yeavols referred to florida's probation in the mid 80's. the anger about that probation is that most gators believe it is the single greatest factor that contributed to florida state's dynasty from 87 through 2000.

i have a healthy respect for tenn and their program.

Posted by inquiry on October 12, 2007 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Idiot Pennington.. after last weeks debacle.. your idea here isn't even logical.. can't happen in a tie if Florida beat the Vols

When are you leaving Knoxville??

Posted by inquiry on October 12, 2007 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok Idiot Pennington, I actually read the entire article.. ok a tie, but Florida goes to New Orleans.. see how much I discount what you right.. I usually know that you're wrong?

Posted by threehundredbowler on October 12, 2007 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Write,not right.

Posted by inquiry on October 12, 2007 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

seven_pin.. he can read.. great.. you're right, it's Write..

Posted by inquiry on October 12, 2007 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seven_pin.. I'm still "right" that Pennington is an idiot, searching for headlines too

Posted by wisonsinvol on October 12, 2007 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a joke of a sports writer. Does the word pusilanimous come to anyone's mind. Forget the spelling, you get the gist. JP turned coward after being called out. This guys had absolutely no guts and no credibility and should be fired.

Posted by volster on October 12, 2007 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How can you call Pennington a coward? It took alot of courage to write a column quoting unnamed sources and then defend the article by interviewing himself, didn't it?

Posted by usnavyvolfaninva on October 12, 2007 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thurmond

Seawater ok?

Posted by usnavyvolfaninva on October 12, 2007 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thurmond,

I have an aunt who lives in Roswell, and she says they patrol all the time to make sure people aren't watering when they're not supposed to, to the point where if your grass looks too healthy, you'll get a hefty fine.

Posted by why36knot on October 12, 2007 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pennigton has no credibility left so why should anyone read anything he writes?...oh give me a home where the buffalo roam and the deer and the antelope play........The article Pennington wrote last week was the single most irresponsible attempt at Journalsim I have every read....beautiful dreamer wake unto me, starlight and dewdrops are waiting for thee....
He talked to a group of former players individually and asked them leading questions and did not bother to look for answers from recent graduates of the program. If he had he would have learned how little the group he interviewed knows about the curent parctice and conditiong at the University..... won't you come home Bill Bailey won't you come home?..she moans the whole night long......
He doesn't spend any time at the University so how could he write an objective piece?......inthe good old summertime..in the good old summertime; strolling through the shady lanes with your baby mine.....
He is not a Sports writer so how does the KNS take him seriously and print the kind of non-facts he is guilty of putting on paper?....when whip-poor-wills call and evening is nigh.. I hurry to my Blue Heaven...

Posted by jcvet on October 12, 2007 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, no need to argue with these Johnny Come Lately TN fans, obviously they are very young or know nothing about the history of TN or FL football. It's easy to see they know nothing about either program prior to the Spurrier/ Flubber era.

Posted by webbofconfusion on October 13, 2007 at 7:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hmmm.... TN has a long road out and looking ahead to Atlanta is a mistake.

LSU is still the team to beat... maybe KY has something special today... doubt it but it could happen.

You have to love college football for the pureness of the game... everyweek is something different.

I like the Vols from here on out... Should be a good game this weekend.
Go vols.

Posted by seaplane on October 13, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One game does not a season make. Let's see how they do against Miss St and Alabama before making any predictions.

Posted by jweaver3 on October 13, 2007 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love the doubters(idiots) the Vols have a good chance to finish out and go to the Capital One bowl. The last time I checked FLA has the same record as VOLS? Does that mean Urban should go?
ANYWAY
GO VOLS to all you REAL TN FANS!!! who really cares what the rest of you think.
I personally don't have time to post on other football teams websites.
TXVOLSFAN
BEAT DOWN THEM DAWGS!!!

Posted by utdad on October 13, 2007 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, no disrespect but...Has there been a book written about the 3rd Sat in Sep concerning the UT/UF series? Bama will always be our #1 Rival, UF comes in 2nd, Sorry.

Posted by Basketball_Jones on October 13, 2007 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow this 99gator person is very convincing. From what I remember froma previous post back before we played the Gators 99 Gator is a female. If I am correct, lady I applaud you for knowing you sports and your states sports history.
I agree with you on many points. I have friends all over the world (military) who are Gator fans and they never get as hyped about a UT/Fla game as I do. They say its because since Spurrier took over at Fla they usually win against UT about 80% of the time. They don't feel its a rivalry as much as UT does, because they feel their always going to win. They have said the FSU game was a huge rivalry till FSU started fading in recent years. I think the Ga game is more important cause its on a neutral site and is just a huge party for bother programs.
I think until Tennessee gets back to where it was in the late 90's it will be hard for them to have big rivalry games, because right now they're just not on the same level as a Florida or LSU

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just read an article about the Florida player and another UF student who was killed in the motorcycle crash. My condolences to the families and all who knew them. Kinda brings your priorities into perspective.

Posted by utdad on October 13, 2007 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, very tragic. Our hearts and prayers go out to all the families and to the University.

Posted by rootin4volz on October 13, 2007 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...That's hard-core journalism, John Pennington...By the way, where did you get your crystal ball? I'd like to pick one up for myself.

Posted by sannie82 on October 13, 2007 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is what will really happen: Florida will lose one more game (Georiga, ?SC?, Kentucky) that will give them 3 losses. Tennessee will lose one more game, which gives us 2 losses. South Carolina will lose 2 games(Tennessee, and ?Florida?) giving them three losses. Tennessee wins the east

Posted by 99gator on October 13, 2007 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

utdad

i know bama is a bigger rival. couple of weeks ago when tenn fans took offense to me saying georgia and fsu were bigger games... i mentioned alabama for tenn.

i have heard some of you say florida is bigger. i have to believe that is coming from a much younger generation of fan that does not know better.

people are so quick to be offended without grasping what is being said. tenn is a big game for florida and a must win game usually to win the league. but, florida people do not constantly concern themselves with all things tenn. i came on this website to talk football, because, for me, i can be civil with tenn folks. it is a lot harder for me to stay civil with georgia and fsu folks. just the way it is.

heels_fan_23

i am not a lady. sorry.

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I posted a few days ago why the UT/UF rivalry is much bigger than the UT/Bama game is now. Back in Bear's time, Alabama was our biggest nemises, beating UT regularly.
For the past few years, though, especially since changes in the conference created the 2 divisions, Florida has consistently handed us a loss. Combine that with the way Spurrier used to run off at the mouth (Can't spell Citrus without UT, that kind of stuff), and it has become much easier to get worked up for the Florida game.
Also, UT has fairly dominated Bama lately, so the hatred there simmers.

Posted by Basketball_Jones on October 13, 2007 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I swear I read that..mut have been abnother gater fan....you still make good points though

Posted by 99gator on October 13, 2007 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sometimes it's not just about winning and losing though. it's about history or tradition.

since 1990, florida has owned, i mean OWNED, georgia and it is still florida's biggest conference rival. you don't erase 90 years of history because the last 15 have been pretty kind.

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see what you mean. Maybe it's not UF - maybe it's Spurrier that ticked me off so often. That hatred could have just continued now that he's gone.

Posted by utdad on October 13, 2007 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator,
Point taken.

And yes the UT/UF rivalry for UT fans is much heated for the younger generation hands down. Not until the 90's when the series cranked back up did it become a thorn in the side.

And IP. Back when Bear was at the helm? I seem to rem Perkins as well as Gene taking us to the shed, Curry also. Peyton summed it up.. with his comments about bama, same as Coach Fulmer. The Bama game is something you go to UT to be a part of. More history and hate involved with this rivalry than towards UF. The HBC was fun to hate but the years of losing to less talented Bama teams placed a respect and a hate few programs can match when you talk about rivals.

UF is a must win game every year for the east race but Bama is a must win for years of being beat and embarrassed.

But then again, I'm sure it's just an opinion of an old grey haired fart.

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, the UT/Bama rivalry goes back much further than Bryant. What is the current total win/loss record between the Vols and the Tide? Last time I checked, the series was close but it seems we were still a few games behind them. Do you happen to know the exact numbers on that?

Posted by 99gator on October 13, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

there is also a difference between a "rivalry" game or a game of significant importance. i would call tenn a rival, just not on the level of georgia or fsu.

but tenn's situation is a good example. the florida game is more important than the alabama game. the florida game is in division, which makes it more meaningful. but, by most accounts, the bama game is a much bigger rivalry.

technically, the fsu game is of very little significance, other than the rivalry, because it's not a conference game.

so the most important games on the schedule and the biggest rivalries on the schedule can be completely different games.

from afar, i just am surprised the tenn-fl game has gotten so huge to some considering the age of the series and the distance between the schools geographically.

if florida loses to tenn, i don't have to hear it from neighbors or co-workers. try that with fsu or georgia.

Posted by 99gator on October 13, 2007 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tennessee is 38-44-7 against alabama.

from utsports.com

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the data.

How do you guys come up with all those facts and figures? I can't even remember what I had for breakfast this morning. Internet search?

Posted by IPOrange on October 13, 2007 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Never mind - I see it now. Thanks for providing the site.

Posted by 99gator on October 13, 2007 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

quick internet search on the ut website.

trust me i did not know that

Posted by 55Vol on October 13, 2007 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator...Fla is a big game because of the dominance Spurrier held but also you can go back to the 70's and 80's. TN didn't play Fla. that much but when they did, Fla normally won. Charlie Pell smacked John Majors few times. Battle did manage to beat Fla in Gainesville in the early 70's. ( Gee...Fulmer was a starting OL in that game ). Go back to 1969 Gator Bowl... Ray Graves smacked Doug Dickey. TN has always had trouble with Fla. no matter who the coach was/is or what the relative strength of the teams were/is. Thanks for the positive competitive spirit on your posts. I don't think you will have too much to worry about with FSU/Miami for a few years. Watch out for the new kid on the block at USF however...they will want a piece of the Gators before too much longer.

Posted by jdcvols on October 13, 2007 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After watching the Miss State game, I am convinced that ilove was right and I was wrong. The Vols are on their way to Atlanta. Ilove_football you know your stuff. You own me.

Posted by jdcvols on October 13, 2007 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How bout those Vols? I say a Boom Chick A Boom!

Posted by mitchkuzma on October 13, 2007 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I really can't see why anyone who have any interest in Pennington's opinion. That's all it is (his opinion) and he's proven (IMO) that it's warped.