Tennessee Stat Book
Shortly after Tennessee's 59-20 loss to No. 3 Florida on Saturday, center Josh McNeil offered a succinct assessment of where the Vols were.
"We're 1-2 with a lot of work to do," McNeil said.
Two days later, McNeil's words are hard to beat for both brevity and accuracy.
Tennessee, unranked in either the Associated Press or the USA Today Coaches' polls for the first time since the end of the 2005 season, has plenty of fixes to make before - and during - Saturday's 7 p.m. game against Arkansas State (TV: Pay-per-view).
The biggest fix, though, will be putting Saturday's loss in the past.
That's not an easy thing to do, considering that the Gators handed UT its biggest margin of defeat in Phillip Fulmer's tenure as head coach.
"It's tough right now to know you gave up so many points and you lost by so many points to a team that you know is not that much better than you," senior tight end Chris Brown said. "It's a tough loss that we don't want to just swallow and don't just want to forget, but we have to move on. We can't sit here and dwell on the past and dwell on the Florida loss for the rest of the season because you'll go into a landslide, and you can't do that playing SEC football."
For senior linebacker Ryan Karl, a Franklin native, the loss is doubly tough because of his Tennessee roots.
"I don't like being a part of a team that's losing like this, especially being a big Tennessee fan," said Karl. "It's hard for me personally. I'm also a fan; I'm not just a player. It's just one of those things that we've got to turn around and get back on the right track. I think we've got great talent, great team. We've got to execute."
Execution, not lack of talent or UT's gameplan, is what cost the Vols, Karl said. And it's what had him feeling so down Sunday and into Monday.
"We feel bad because we didn't execute it," Karl said. "When you get the so-called worst loss in Fulmer's era and I was also part of the 5-6 team, it's not something I like to be a part of. I've got to go tell all my family when I get older that I was part of this team. It's not something I want to be a part of. It's something we got to work on to turn it around and get in the right spot."
Karl and his teammates felt like they were in the right spots Saturday. Their beef isn't with the schemes of offensive coordinator David Cutcliffe or defensive coordinator John Chavis. The players' assessment is that they didn't make plays.
On defense, the lack of execution was readily apparent on third and fourth downs, where the Gators converted seven of their 14 tries. On offense, the lack of execution showed most in the run game, where UT had just 37 yards rushing and was plagued by poor execution on the offensive line.
UT coach Phillip Fulmer said Monday that there's no reason for panic.
"There's no panic," he said. "The players are going to hear all kinds of things all over the place, but the fact is there's a bunch of coaches here that are really fine coaches and have done it for a long time. This is a tough time. Tough times don't last, but tough people do. We've been here before and fought through it, and we're going to fight through it again. I thought our team was extremely responsive to that."
Senior defensive end Xavier Mitchell says the most important thing for the Vols is how they respond after starting 1-2 for just the second time under Fulmer.
In 1994, the Vols started 1-3 with losses to No. 13 UCLA, No. 1 Florida and unranked Mississippi State.
"It's how you react to this situation. That's our focus right now," Mitchell said. "We're not going to stay down. That's the biggest thing we know about ourselves: We've been knocked down, but we'll never stay down."
Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.
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Comments » 187
doegem writes:
Yeah, no panic, says Fulmer. We've been 5-6 before and my paycheck still came.
BluetickBlues writes:
These poor young men have to take responsibility for this loss? Fulmer, Chavis, and Cutcliff should step up and own their failure as coaches.
DenmarkVol_aka_Mbumburu writes:
Amen, bluetick. These kids are playing their butts off, doing their best to do what their coaches tell them to do. I have to say, though, that if the starters don't execute, then sit their butts down and play the 2s and 3s. Find somebody who will execute.
doegem writes:
I'm old enough to remember The Bear once said that Alabama's players were responsible for the wins and HE was responsible for the losses. Aaah, what must it be like to have a coach that accepts responsibility?
volfan39#234125 writes:
Fulmer , GET A GRIP !!Nobody is buying what you are selling !! 5 and 7 and see you at the retirement center !!!
chrisw2967 writes:
Fulmer doesnt have a set of balls to take fault in nothing , its either we will get it fixed or we will get back to basics. either way he still isnt even an average coach. he just worried about padding his fat pocket. he is pathetic.its not the players fault , you play the way your coached and pratice.
wbgbbg#625035 writes:
Looks like to me that the wrong person was let go a couple of yrs ago... Randy Sanders... is doing a great job @ UK with there QB and probably had input on the off plays...Time will tell..Nov. 14 is the date @ there place.... I hope UTs' AD has the balls to do what needs to be done...I know things can change over the next few games but I say but WHAT IF THEY DON'T ???? It's on you Mr. AD in the past he's got pay raises... put the check book up... and get your broom out abd do some cleaning...
snafu14u#241639 writes:
I'm tired of all the talk from the players and coaches, I don't believe any of them anymore.I want someone to be mad and not going to take it anymore kinda mad. And mean it.I don't see any of that out of this group. Heard all of this before.bonzaivol
VOLnATL writes:
Sorry Phil, I don't care how hard you try to fix things. Things are not looking bright and the excuses are knee deep. How are the palyers taking responsibility and I have not heard the coaches take any? Do us all a favor and resign!It is time for all of us to except our beloved Vols are an average at best and ranked right there at the bottom with Ole Miss.
The only thing that will change is we will get worse until this staff is gone!
dmjohn2#576066 writes:
If the team isn't ready to play football and execute plays, that's the coach's fault. Phil, John, and David should man up and take the blame for this,the young men playing the game shouldn't have to do it for them.
vol52 writes:
Last season ended on a sour note. Spring practice looked terrible and this season is falling way short. The players deserve competent coaches. Fixing problems during the regular season has become a standard for Fulmer.
bigorangesob writes:
If you listened to the post game show Fulmer said the team wasn't prepared well enough for this game and that's my fault, not a big Fulmer fan but he did take responsibility for the f@#$%*g disaster this weekend
tenecc#214163 writes:
I would like to hear Mike Hamilton's input on Tennessee's Football program. Sport programs can be a liability, as well as an asset, for any school or university.
GreerVol22 writes:
Once again Ainge went to the sideline and pouted like a scholl girl after he muffed the Foster handoff. I saw some footage of that on fox sports and his demeanor on the sideline afterwards was quite shi++y and it obviously spilled over to the rest of the team. After that, the whole squad quit and Florida scored the next 24 points.
Where was the great Cutcliffe at that point? He should have brought the clipboard down from the pressbox and smacked Ainge across the other pinky.
This whole team is a joke.
TNvolunteer writes:
You all believ this horse s**t!!! Fulmer has got these kids brain washed!! Taking responsibility for bad coaching!!!
Guys this isnt jail, nobody is gonna shank you for telling the truth, heck, we all know that Fulmer and his cronies are pathetic coaches..Dont take responsibility becasue they couldn't coach...Man this coaching staff it hit a new low.....Having the players accept responsibility for the worst coaching in college football!
GreerVol22 writes:
And as for you Ryan Karl, if you, Mayo and the rest had stayed in you lane and played your position, many of those 3rd down Florida conversions might have been stopped. screw it. I could write a novel on and on but I'm just done pulling for these losers. My entertainment dollars are definately going somewhere else this fall and maybe next as well.
vol88 writes:
I'm as disgusted as the rest of you. But these kids deserve our support. I'm not quitting on them, regardless of my personal feelings about the state of the program. I was a UT fan long before Fulmer was coach and I will be one long after -- with no gap in the middle. True fans will be there Saturday night.
vol4jesus writes:
Greer_ol22 thanks for supporting the team in the good and the bad(NOT) I won't dignify putting the V in there since you don't want to identify with them . Wow if that was your child in life....sorry son I can't support you anymore you are a loser. Now don't get me wrong I believe in tough love , but you are apparently saying if my team isn't world beaters then I will call them all losers(18 to 21 yr olds). They are trying and admit failure so do we quit and pull for the opposition? Again that would be scary if that attitude was pervasive in every aspect of your life.I intend to pull and encourage the young men clad in Orange & White to pursue excellence in spite of those who are turncoat/fairweather fans. Complain all you want about coaching til the moo moos come home ,but don't quit on our young men. How is the weather? Fair?
TNvolunteer writes:
Since we are on the way to another one of Fulmer's typical seasons..I made a list of things that will go down the toilet with it:
1.) This year we finish 2-10.
2.) Fulmer still has a paycheck and job by saying we were 10 plays away from going 12-0.
3.) Fulmer then says that those 10 punt returns for td's were those 10 plays.
4.) Eric Berry and Chris Donald bolt for different schools saying " man what the hell was I thinking by coming here."
5.) Our recruiting class ranks # 48..We only have 12 kids coming in this fall...Most are instate kids that MTSU wouldnt recruit.
6.) Fulmer fires his strength and conditioning coach and takes over the job himself...Free dounuts and Pepsi when you come in guys!
7.) On opening day against UAB, our offensive line averages 6'4 and 358lbs. The line is so out of shape and fat we are forced to play the walk-on kids mid-way through the 2nd qauter due to all the o-lineman being tired.
8.) Fulmer looses 9 games by the end of the year by an average of 68 ppg.
9.) Season attendance in est. at about 25,496 for all home games.
10.) Fulmer still has his job and paycheck in hand saying that we were olny 9 plays away from going 10-2!
Since this year and this years team is obviously a joke..I thought I have one too!! Enjoy!
kiffinsucks writes:
"Execution, not lack of talent or UT's gameplan, is what cost the Vols, Karl said." How many times have we heard this? How many times have we heard "I guess we will have to work harder this week" after another loss. What ever the coaches have the players doing in practice is not working. Why are smaller schools with less "talent" able to run the ball consistantly? Coach Fulmer and his staff are making too much money for the performance they are giving us. I am sick of the excuses. I have no doubt the players are working hard and doing what they are asked to do but they can't be getting coached they way they should. Why are other schools constantly being singled-out as innovative in their approach to the game? When have we ever heard that UT is "innovative" in anything? Coach Fulmer, you're time has passed. You should refuse your paycheck this week. Your players deserve better.
alleluiaelectric#206299 writes:
hey you bunch of fair weather fans it must be you guys i have been sitting around at ball games hushed mouthed then all mouth after i love my VOLS no matter what my loyalty is not for sale i cannot do anything about the coaches but i do support my VOL players they did chose us and i love them and may GOD BLESS THEM every one go VOLS
TNvolunteer writes:
No one is bad mouthing the palyers...but you gotta see that we are sick and tired of getting the same old results we have been getting for years now...College Football has pass this university by...Our coaches, the bull phooey excuses, etc.....We are tired of it...We should be on the same level as UGA, UF, or LSU...We have the talent, the money, the facilities, and the fan support to be at that level, but someone over there thinks last place is acceptable.
I have been a die hard Vols fan for years and still am to this very day but when i watch a game and see this same ole stuff day in and day out, it hurts!! You see all these kids who turned away other schools to come here and win championships. And in return the get short changed...Those days are about over. We'll be lucky to have anymore Recruiting class like the last one had.
I am not quitting on the kids, but something is gotta give..We all know what the problem is and we dont evenn work for the Univ....How come The Ad doesnt see it?
TNvolunteer writes:
ilove_football you dont know anything about football..Your SN says it...or this team what so ever...What about 10 years then comment.
GreerVol22 writes:
Weather is great down hear 4jesus. Not that I'm a Spurrier lover by any stretch, but he is in charge of a team with less talent than Tennessee and has his boys beliveing in themselves and believing in a philosophy of innovation and adaptability.
I saw the quit in Ainge's eyes Saturday, and I saw it on many more player and coaches faces. They melted like Cal did year and it was shameful. If the kids don't want it, and I'm not sure any of them do judging from the half assed practice yesterday, then why should you want it for them either? You go ahead, spend your $40+ per ticket and 5 dollars cokes and 7 dollar pizza slices. I donated my tickets, and am going camping with my son this weekend instead. Call it fairweather is you wish, but only about 30 or 40 thousand coolaid drinking, orange color glasses wearing folks like yourself still believe there is something in old Phils tank besides last nights pizza.
tennisvol writes:
Coaching - F It's time to put the blame where it belongs. You expect players to take up for their coaches. Fulmer is making 2 million a year
and this is all you get. I think he has a record of 16 wins and 13 losses over the last two years. You've got all these top recruiting classes and what happens to the development?
Something for Hamilton to think about!
bigorangebolt writes:
Hi Vol Fans:
Yes, it gets darkest before dawn! We are in the darkest part of night now! I love the Vols and fully support them, but we must focus on RESULTS and not EFfORTS! Coach Fulmer has run out of excuses and must resign for the good of the football program and the university. Mr Hamilton do your job and ask for his resignation now!
I like the Boise St head coach and I think the South Florida coach is excellent. Your comments.....
volguy#211935 writes:
You know, I am as unpleased as anyone with the loss to Florida. I live near Orlando (behind enemy lines) and run into Gators every day of my life. However, where are we as UT fans when somebody who calls himself a Tennessee fan is quoting bear bryant about his ala-stinkin'-bama team?!?!?!? Go quote bear bryant on a bama board, Doegem, you can pay your homage to him there!!! When we start wanting to be like ala-stinkin'-bama, then we have gone to depths from which we cannot recover!!!
bigbluevol writes:
eric, berry and donald aren't going to transfer and waste their eligibility. You've posted that phooey on a bunch of different stories, so just give it a rest because it's not amusing or plausible. Greer, take your son camping that's great. Take your comments with you. If you're so intent on not supporting the Vols, how about you get more intent on not ripping them? Fulmer, Chavis and Cutcliffe have all taken responsibility for the loss. Don't take this story and act like they trotted the kids out in front of the firing squad. You guys are ready to shoot and kill anything that comes out of the program right now. Simmer down. Life will go on. I don't like losing and I wasn't particularly happy with the performance, but life will go on. If Fulmer is fired, you better bring in a fantastic coach with a big name and a love for recruiting. Spurrier only fits half that bill. UT relies on out of state talent more than just about any other SEC program, so a new coach is going to have to be willing to recruit the country and lock in the best in state guys. Why don't you let the board and Hamilton do their jobs the way they let your bosses do theirs. If you want to boycott, fine. Boycott the website too because we're sick of reading your whining.
Pullingguard writes:
Why can't Fulmer and the Coaching staff accept responsibility.. I have never heard him say, We the coaching staff did not do a good job in getting the players ready. I have read where Weiss said that after the Michigan game, Spurrier says it after a defeat, but not Fulmer. Oh sure, it's like he said, We have a coaching staff thats been around for a long time, in fact too long, that is part of the problem.. It's a good ole boys club at UT. Time for change
TNvolunteer writes:
bigbluevol you are probably one of the few Fulmer cronies who want him to stay...If I were a kid on this team...transferring may be on my mind....I wouldnt come here to lose and lose horribly...You are a real piece of work.
And what in the world are you say that Spurier only has half??? You get hit by the stupid stick?
Last time i checked Spurier has beat Florida
Spurier is 1-1 against Myer and Richt. While good ole Phil is 2-7??? Both wins against Richt.
Oh, yeah, and Spurier can recruit, develop, and win at the same time...Can Fulmer?
abatut writes:
Breaking News! The "T" on the side of the Vols helmet no longer stands for Tennessee-it now officially stands for Tim Tebow.
mchjord4#236604 writes:
I'm in full agreement with the large percentage of posters here. The game has changed over the years and our coaches have not kept up. I've been patiently waiting year in and year out that this will be the breakout year. Top 5 to 10 recruiting classes for as long as I can remember and what happens to that talent. Nothing! It never reaches its full potential and the excuses have to stop right now. The only logical explanation is the coaching (or lack there of) these kids are receiving. I bleed orange but lately I've been bleeding way too much. The embarrassment has gone on long enough. It's time for a change...sooner rather than later. P.S. - Chris Peterson from Boise would be a great catch. Their bowl game against OU last year was the most exciting game I've seen in a long time. And where is OU this year....top 5! Boise, with half the talent of UT, sleighed the dragon because of its innovative coaching. Wake up Hamilton!
Smokey91 writes:
shut up Phil.
bigbluevol writes:
eric:
I think that Fulmer has done well over the whole of his career. I think that he needs to adjust some things and make improvements. If he gets fired, he gets fired and I will support the University as I always have. However, I'm not rooting for a group of men to lose their jobs. The kids aren't going to transfer, just like they didn't after the 5-6 season. We'll still get the recruits and your precious rivals and scout will rate our classes highly and tell us how great they all are, all the while not reminding us that some kids don't pan out or take longer to develop.
Richt and Bowden have lost to Meyer. So has everyone else in the East and everyone in the West that he has played. I don't think I'm the one who got hit with the stupid stick. He has a style of offense that is unorthodox, just like Spurrier did. Teams will adjust to him. The spread is en vogue now, but it doesn't translate to getting kids ready for the NFL, especially at quarterback, since no one runs it there. That's a recruiting plus.
Spurrier doesn't want to take the time necessary to recruit the nation and he has admitted it. The two states he has coached in both have a wealth of talent. Tennessee does not.
Fulmer can recruit, develop and win. He's got a ton of players in the NFL and he has beaten Spurrier two out of the last three times they have played. How's that for a recent, out of context stat? I thought you'd like it.
vol4jesus writes:
Greer___22 I've been drinking BIG ORANGE KOOLAID since I was about four or five and Jim Jones didn't kill me! Don't mind the Orange-tinted glasses they accentuate the ORANGE wardrobe to support "our" beloved VOLS!!! Its not about believing in the coach....its about supporting my university and its players!!! GO VOLS BEAT THE INDIANS!!! Was that politically correct?
agentorange writes:
we've had one really good recruiting class and need to purge the end of the 5-6'ers. all the moaning on this site is almost as bad as the loss.
waterskier3#226480 writes:
well i myself know the only way fulmer gets fired this year is that he looses to ga and ala and sc. if he only wins 2 of those game hamilton will not fire his worthless butt. this program has been going down for years and use the excuse that other teams are getting better and this is the way it is can't go on... the best programs in the country change coaches when things are not up to expectations AND THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT FROM THIS ad DEPARTMENT..........
REALITY WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS OF THIS phooey AND THEN WE WILL HAVE WASTED 10 YEARS LETTING HIS FAT BUTT GET RICH........ I'M SO SICK OF IT AND YES I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE UNIVERSITY BECASUE I LOVE UT BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T BE PISSED.
TNvolunteer writes:
If teams adjust well to Spurriers offense then how come he can take a S. Carolina team to two straight bowl games and back into the top 25 in just 2 years????
Spurier doesnt care if you know his offense...No one can still stop it...Look what he is doing with the kids that were left to him by Lou Holtz and the kids he has brought in. Give another year or two and he will be the top East team everyone is trying to beat.
And it doesnt matter if we have top 5 recruiting classes..We arent doing anything with them..They dont play until their sophomore year after a redshirt year or their a junior...Kids are starting to see that...You'll see..Right now we have some 10 kids committed to us for next years class...Go look where we are ranked with that class...Not even in the top 25 with 3 4-star kids...This years recruiting class is gonna be another 2006 class....From last years and this years recruiting class, how many are playing?
OldNumber7 writes:
Nope - I don't buy this "save the coaches" speak. You were terrible because you were poorly taught, poorly prepared, and poorly motivated. Same ol story over and over for nearly 15 years. Even the 98 team poorly executed several of those fluke wins. I am not buying it at all - the data over a substantial and significant amount of time is overwhelming..INCONSISTENCY!!!! Inconsistent performance either year to year or week to week is a coaching problem period! Championships year in and year out are not expected - but competing all of the time is! Fulmer's staff has never, ever, not once developed the winning habit.
"Winning is not a sometime thing; its an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit." - Vince Lombardi
I want him out.
bigbluevol writes:
One last thing: if you all get your wish and Fulmer and Co. are fired, I'd like to make one suggestion. You should all put your resumes in because as much as you all seem to know about football it sounds like we'd be d#@! lucky to have any of you as our next head coach.
TriCityVol writes:
Cris Brown
"a team that you know that was not that much better than you"
Cris, the Gators are so much better than you it is not even close. You are a member of a team that is medicore at best. You are 15-12 your last 27 games. The Gators are NC's and looks like they are going to defend their title. Wake up! Fire Fulmer!!
bigbluevol writes:
Eric, I'm not saying he's not a good coach. I'm saying he's not scoring points like he used to, is he? That's because people have adjusted. The ratings for recruiting are as arbitrary as the AP top 25. Just because someone says that a kid is a 5 star, does that mean he will be a guaranteed impact player? We do play freshman and kids see that. Look at Ainge and Schaeffer, Hefney and others that year. This year we've played Berry, Creer, Moore, Martin, Walker and Vinson to name a few.
OldNumber7 writes:
NO Big Blue - Phil is paid MILLIONS of dollars and has had two years to "adjust" to Urban Meyer. If he worked for me I would have fired him by now - that, my friend, is an unacceptable level of performance - especially considering the paycheck.
I am done with these lame, wash-my-hands excuses for high-paid, years behind the 8-ball performance.
TNvolunteer writes:
the only reason we won the 98 title is those kids were extremely talented. How many of those kids were drafted and how many of them have been to the NFL pro bowl?
Al Wilson, Travis Henry, Jamal Lewis, Cedrick Wilson, Chad Clifton, Cosey Coleman, Will Overstreet, Peerless Price, Shanw Bryson...the list could go on an on...
Fulmer had nothing to do with the team winning...that team was just talented...probably the most talented team to ever play at UT.
Carlitovol writes:
If the FLA fans 5 or 6 years ago had the same attitude as the CPF supporters do on this site, they'd probably still have Zook on the sidelines - suffering thru subpar season records and ugly bowl losses just like we've had... But, rather than just blindly saying "Let's support the university and coaches", they raised hades and voiced their displeasure with continual mediocrity - and they were eventually heard. Now, they've got a NC in their back pocket and they're poised for another. You think they'd have it any other way??
Change is never easy, and it might be a bumpy road initially, but for the good of the program, it's a "must" at this point.
If you'd prefer to settle for 7 or 8 win seasons and bowl losses to middle-of-the-road Big 10 and ACC teams year after year, then I would argue that you don't love the University of Tennessee as much as you say you do.
In my humble opinion, if you truly have the best interests of the program and university in mind, then you demand a change for the better. Fulmer has had more than his fair share of opportunities to turn this train around. It's time, folks. Simple as that.
gotvols writes:
How about this, It is one thing to dog the coach. He deserves it. And maybe it is time for him to hit the road.
Get off the players! They are obviously embarassed about the record and their standing.
It all starts and stops with coaching. As I said before, look at Alabama, Florida, S. Car...... Do you really think that these guys are that much better than UT in skill. I don't think so, the coaches are just obviously having a difficult time mining it from the players.
If I viewed the coaching staff as my employees, would I be satisfied with their performance? NO. I only want the best as long as I am willing to pay for the best.
OldNumber7 writes:
..and who is looking at the recruit ratings. You have to look on the back side of it! Look at the NFL draft picks - Tennessee is 5th since 2000 and where the heck are they in the NCAA polls? Tennessee has been top 5 for decades! This weenie is getting rich, fat, and doing a lousy job! Did you see how many freshmen Meyer played? and we got scorched? The coaching differential is that huge! Wait til Richt gets it together again and Saban gets a piece of us. All you need is Kentucky to start beating us annually and we officially have become an SEC East doormat!!!
mtnvol writes:
I didn't believe in reincarnation until I started reading some of the posts here. But RocketVol, eric and waterskier having me beleiving, 'cause nobody can know as much as they do an only live one life!
TNvolunteer writes:
Only Berry has started...The others only see game action on Special Teams or when we are ahead big or down big....We dont play freshman like UF or UGA...We barely play redshirt freshman....
And Spurier isnt scoring as many points as he used to is because of the players he has...He was left abunch of kids who hadnt won more than 6 six game a year when Spurier took over...But he did turn them around and has taken them to two straight bowls....His ppg will go up when he gets the talent he wants..Wait and see, and we he does watch out SEC, the Ole Ball Coach will be at the top again!
OldNumber7 writes:
....not to mention South Carolina. Eric13915 - you are dead on. Imagine if a "premier" coach had that 98 talent - there would NOT have been 4 close games that year (one of which was an act of god that we won). We won games that year with a Pro Bowl NFL team and many of those wins had zero margin - disgusting.
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