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Everyone is talking about coaching changes. It’s the lunchroom, watercooler topic of conversation in football-crazy East Tennessee.
Unfortunately, the families of Tennessee’s coaches are left to sit and hear all of this speculation, but that’s par for the course. Coaches know the situation when they go into their profession … and drag their families in with them.
The speculation train is chugging like it did in 1992. “Should UT make a change?” “Can the head coach get things back on track?” “Are things even off track in the first place?” “The game has passed our coach by.” “We need something new.”
In all this frenzy of talk, there are a couple of points that have gone unstated.
One can be used by the pro-change crowd. One can be used by the anti-change crowd.
Pro-change first.
Several people have been stating the rather obvious fact that Tennessee does not have a solid recruiting base. As we broke down in this column a couple of years ago, there simply aren’t as many Tennessee players making BCS conference rosters as there are players from many other similar-sized and smaller states.
The same goes for this state’s talent making it all the way to the National Football League. Tennessee just doesn’t produce a deep pool of football prospects on a regular basis.
Therefore, as the argument goes, because UT has an excellent recruiter in Phillip Fulmer any changes at the top could be devastating to the program. In other words, “no one can get kids to come here like Fulmer has.”
There’s only one problem with that argument: facts.
Since Gen. Robert Neyland arrived in Knoxville in 1926, the Vols have had the second best winning percentage in the country. That’s 81 years of big time success (though as the proverbial bridesmaid, UT hasn’t wrapped up a lot of championships to go with all those wins).
Going into the 2007 season, Tennessee trailed only Ohio State in terms of winning percentage from ’26 to ’06. The Vols rank ahead of schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Penn State, Southern Cal and Nebraska.
Tennessee has always been able to lure quality kids to Rocky Top, dating to Neyland’s Pennsylvania and West Virginia connections.
For those of you thinking Fulmer’s success in the 1990s has skewed the data, note that between 1926-91 (John Majors’ last full season as coach), the Vols still ranked among the top five nationally in winning percentage for the previous 66 seasons.
Any Tennessee coach, Fulmer included, will need to maintain a national recruiting base. That takes more time and effort than some coaches have to spend. But it has been doable for the past eight decades. And there’s no reason to believe that that would change if Tennessee replaces Fulmer. If, of course, the Vols find the right man.
And that’s where we get to a fact for the anti-change crowd. If this year’s Vols bottom out and a coaching change is in the offing, how in the world will Tennessee go about the search?
There’s long been the sad stereotype of inbreeding when Tennessee is mentioned in comedies and comic strips. But there is actually truth to the stereotype when it comes to Vol football coaches.
If UT winds up looking for a coach this off-season, it will be the university’s first true coaching search since Neyland came to Knoxville. At that time he was still just a Captain, far from a General.
Everyone since Neyland has had some sort of connection, some foot in the door with the program. Would Tennessee even know how to look for a new coach with no ties to the athletic department? How much leash would fans give an outsider?
The Vols went outside the family to bring in Neyland in 1926. When he was called to active duty in the Panama Canal Zone in 1934, W.H. Britton took over the program for a year. Britton was moved up from Neyland’s coaching staff.
Neyland, by then a major, was back in the saddle from 1936 to 1940, but when he was called away to war, another of his assistants, John Barnhill, took over. Barnhill had played at UT, too.
Neyland’s final stint came from 1946 to 1952 (this time as the General). But after he departed, where did Tennessee look? To another of Neyland’s former players and assistant coaches, Harvey Robinson.
Robinson was gone after 1954, replaced by — you guessed it — another former Neyland player, Bowden Wyatt. When Wyatt stepped down after 1962, his assistant, Jim McDonald, took over.
One year later, the Vols brought in Doug Dickey as coach. Now you might be thinking that that was an outside-of-the-box hire. But Tennessee’s athletic director at the time was Bob Woodruff, who’d coached Dickey while at Florida. Outside of the family? Sort of. And outsider with no connections? Nope.
After Dickey skedaddled, his assistant, Bill Battle, was promoted. After he was let go, UT called former Vol All-American Majors home. When Majors was forced out, former Vol player and longtime Majors’ assistant Fulmer was promoted.
So if Tennessee fans think their school can go out and grab someone without hassle, they might want to take a look at the history books. It’s been 80 years since a man with no ties to the program was hired to run the Vol program.
That doesn’t mean it can’t be done. It just means that UT has no institutional experience searching for college football coaches.
John Pennington hosts the Hall’s Salvage Sports Source on Sunday at 11 a.m. on WATE.
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Comments » 44
CrankE writes:
How much leash will fans give an outsider?
By "leash", I'm assuming that you mean slack, time/opportunity to make it happen.
Not much I hope. That may be part of the problem. Fulmer and Majors have had 31 years of combined "leash". Sure, there's one national title and 5 SEC championships in there, but that span only covers 1985-1998, 13 years. What about the other 18?
Jim Tressel turned Ohio State rather quickly. So did Oscar Meyer. So did Mark Richt. So did Nick Satan (LSU). So did Pete Carroll. It CAN be done.
If we hired someone right now, I might not expect a 45-5 run like from 1995-98, but I'd certainly not sit still for an 8 year honeymoon of floundering and mediocrity.
If excellence is the standard, then don't accept mediocrity. Choose a hard charger who maintains discipline, whose kids respect him and play hard for him, who keeps his program out of trouble, and who does the little things with excellence. And if possible, it'd be nice to get someone who would stay at UT for the long haul and someone we'd be glad to hang on to.
If the ship is on course, stay the course.
If the ship is off course, change course.
If the captain won't change course, change the captain.
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I submit that victories on the field against first tier programs and championship trophies on the shelf are at least as valuable a recruiting tool as a persuasive coach.
Tennessee has a bedrock commitment to the success of the football program and has demonstrated that they can win championships. But the lack of championships since 1998 is a powerful recruiting deterrent too.
Tennessee won games and championships before Fulmer. They'll do it after Fulmer. Is he bigger than the program? Was Majors?
Taylor writes:
Jim Leavitt would be a great choice to follow Coach Fulmer. Leavitt has a $500K buyout and currently makes around $1.12M. I'm not sure if he would leave USF since he grew up in St. Pete and apparently turned down Bama when they came calling. Other options are Bret Bielema ($761K) at Wisconsin, Chris Peterson ($511K) at Boise ST, and Gary Patterson ($952K) at TCU. Fulmer's buy-out is slightly over $4M, and probably close to $6M counting the assistants. With the typical $500K buy-out for the incoming coach, a coaching change would cost UT at least $6.5M.
yeavols#228407 writes:
JIM LEAVITT of SOUTH FLORIDA!!! COACH!! COACH!!! COACH!!! JIM LEAVITT BEAT WEST VIR U and AUBURN ranked ...UNKNOWN TEAM and COACH...WOW..That's what we need
yeavols#228407 writes:
In regards to the Article...Let me do the interviewing or any UT alum. I am sure it can be done. If Neyland was an outsider..he got the job done. Obviously when we hire within, there is turmoil. Now, I need a list...I am all ears and ready to hire.
bd330794#206783 writes:
I would love them see them look at someone like Bill Cowher. With his nfl experience and the resources UT has, the sky is the limit (see Pete Carroll at USC). And he is just sitting over in north carolina waiting for the right opputunity....
Taylor writes:
I certainly wouldn't call Jim Leavitt an unknown unless, of course, you haven't been following college football. He's one of the top 5 "hottest coaches" in college football right now, fits the age bracket(ie. a young 51), is affordable, and he's an excellent recruiter. I'm sure you would have over-looked Bruce Pearl as well. Pete Carroll and Bill Cowher wouldn't only be horrible fits at UT, they wouldn't even consider a $5M offer.
andy112382#209793 writes:
Cowher still gets a bold 'no' vote from me, College to NFL and NFL to College is extremely risky, Carroll is a rare exception. Two completely different jobs, coaching in the nfl and college.
My first vote would be for Petersen, Leavitt would be second on my list. I had mentioned the TCU coach, but his team this season is a dissappointment and I do not see how that would be a step in the right direction. Wisconsin....I would have to say no, they haven't been overly impressive this season to me. My list is building as the season goes on, it all depends on how each coach does, anyone who read earlier posts of mine know I liked the track record and success of Petersen and the fact he is younger and doesn't currently make nearly what we could pay him. Leavitt sure can get his team up for games apparently, though, last night was not the exactly the prettiest team (4 turnovers in the first half) and the jury is still out on Auburn after losing to USF and MSU.
yeavols#228407 writes:
OK sounds good so far
yeavols#228407 writes:
Roywilson..good description..but i don't think that fits anyone on the Hill. I am thinking someone outside..who can think outside the box. We need a coach who can coach his players on the sidelines and motivate players. Honestly, I am tired of watching our coach pick his nose on national tv. Does anyone else ever see that besides me?
UTFAN1993 writes:
What are the fans expecting from a new coach if Coach Fulmer is fired?
An east div title one out of every two yrs, a S.E.C. title one out of every 3 yrs, and a National Championship every 4 yrs? How many coaches have won more than one National Championship? Some fans are never satisfied unless they win every game. This will be hard to do with any coach, considering that in '07 the S.E.C. had 7 schools with a Rivals Top 10 recruiting class. The parity is getting closer. The buyout after this season for Fulmer would be $4,675,000.His base salary is only $325,000/yr,which ranks him 53rd in the nation among 119 Head coaches.There is a million dollars tacted onto the end of his contract. This would be paid off in installments to him over a 48 month time period. His staff is being paid $1,721,000 per season, with a 2 yr contract. Chavis and Cutcliffe have contracts for 3 yrs with pay increases each yr;Chavis @ $350,000 and Cutcliffe @ $375,000 per season. Then there is the probable buyout of the incoming coach. The new coach would probably want at least a 5 yr contract, even with the uncertainty of a winning season.Those who want another coach, better watch what they wish for.....
yeavols#228407 writes:
UTFAN1993...I am glad you asked..I would like a coach that can win at least 2 games out of 4 against Florida..At least 1 SEC champ every 10 years..a BCS bowl at least every 15 years...I know..I am asking for too much..guess I'll stay the course and forget about it.
UTFAN1993 writes:
yeavols, I think Mark Richt would be a good possibility. He's had at least 6 straight yrs of top 10 recruiting. He's won over 80 % of his games in the last 5 yrs.He's won more S.E.C. east div games in the last 5 yrs.than any other coach. I think his salary is 1.5 mil.
DenmarkVol_aka_Mbumburu writes:
Outstanding article, John. You just mapped the school's DNA when it comes to thinking outside the box and looking beyond the orange frontier.
Hamilton did just that with Pearl because we/he had nothing to lose and we'd been through many, many outsiders over the years in the basketball program. Much, much higher stakes for the football program and a much richer tradition and good 'ol boy network.
I'm convinced the legacy power structure would undoubtedly continue this provincial/parochial approach to finding a new leader for the program. Fulmer himself proved that to me when he brought Cut back.
Hamilton himself might be the exception to this search-from-within strategy as he came to UT from Wake Forest; he is a Clemson grad and a native of N.C.
Nonetheless, Hamilton has been part of UT athletics since 1992. He was a Dickey hire, a Dickey protégé, so the rule seems to have held in his case.
We can only hope that the miracle of finding Pearl has emboldened Hamilton and all those who influence him. Even then, Hamilton found Pearl by reaching out to the orange network with a call to Ernie Grunfeld.
If things get bad enough for a buyout, we can also hope that Hamilton leads a nationwide search that will bring us the best available talent and fit, period, where ties to Rocky Top take a distant back seat.
I also hope Hamilton already has calls into Jim Leavitt, Chris Peterson, Mike Leach and others.
papavol writes:
John Gruden
yeavols#228407 writes:
UTFAN1993..it would be an improvement I guess.
utnutt writes:
WE HAVE TO HAVE NEW BLOOD . THERE IS NO ONE OUT THERE THAT HAS TIES TO UT THAT WE COULD HIRE THAT COULD BRING THE SUCCESS THAT WE DEMAND. I USE THE WORD DEMAND BECAUSE IT IS TIME THAT WE STARTED TO DEMAND MORE SUCCESS FROM OUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM. PETERSON, LEAVITT, SPURRIER, THE GUY FROM RUTGERS, GRUDEN, COWHER AND CHOW. WHICH ONE OF THESE DOES EVERY ONE THINK WOULD BE BEST FOR THE JOB AND WHY. WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH COACH. ITS Y'ALLS TURN.
Taylor writes:
UTFan1993, Fulmer is actually the 9th highest paid coach at $2.05M. Coaches total compensation include salary PLUS TV, endorsement, clothing/shoe contract money. In addition, there are incentives such as winning the SEC, NC, Coach of the Year, etc. The base salary is typically the lowest piece of their total compensation. In the SEC, Saban, Meyer, and Tuberville make more than Fulmer (justifiably so).
UTFAN1993 writes:
Taylor, if you had taken time enough to read my comments, you would have read what I posted:
"HIS BASE SALARY IS $325,000, WHICH IS RANKED 53RD " I SAID BASE SALARY, then I explained what the total buyout would be.I have a copy of his 14 page contract. I know what the $$$ are and how the total is accumulated.
Taylor writes:
UTFan1993, I read your entire post but I don't see the relevance of base salary when Fulmer is the 9th highest paid coach in the nation. Glad to see you have a copy of his contract, so do I as well as anyone who spends about 5 minutes on the internet.
Colliervol writes:
Again, convince me that a pro coach will really get out and recruit 24/7, 365 days a year and I might buy Gruden or Cowher. Pennington's article hits one key point there. Whoever comes in MUST be a good recruiter. And I'm not convinced any pro coach is going to get after it. As discussed before, leave Pete Carroll out of it. He can fill 20 of 25 spots every year with 4 and 5 star kids from California and then target a few really good ones nationally and he's done recruiting. The UT coach doesn't have that luxury.
And, so far, Jim Leavitt has really impressed me. I really liked what I saw last night in their win over West Virginia.
mattingly writes:
Actually, Dean Dougherty later admitted that he wanted to hire Neyland all along. Neyland came from West Point in 1925 as an ROTC officer who could assist with coaching. In December, UT president Harcourt Morgan told Dougherty to find the "best coach in the country." Dougherty believed Neyland was the man and did little in the way of a search. What passed for media in those days speculated on possible candidates, speculation that gave Dougherty "cover." It made things appear that there was more than one candidate, even when there wasn't. So this wasn't much of a search either. This whole affair is discussed extensively in "To Foster Knowledge: A History of the University of Tennessee, 1794-1970."
volgrog#210164 writes:
Wait a second CrankE. Before Jim Tressel there was Cooper and Earl Bruce at Ohio State. Before Meyer, there was Zook, who was taking FL in the wrong direction. Before Richt, there was Donnan, who was also taking the program in the wrong direction. Before Nick Saban there was Jerry DiNardo, Mike Archer, etc. at LSU. Before there was Pete Carroll, I don't even remember who was there, but I do remember that he had a 3-8 season. Also, look at Alabama. Four coaches in 10 years. Look at the TN basketball program for the last 25 years before Pearl.
My point is that a coaching change should not be done lightly. Very often, it takes one or two tries to get it right. So, are you willing to risk mediocre or worse football for the next 10 to 15 years with a new coach, or see what happens the rest of the year with the one you have?
MiserableFloridaVol writes:
The coaches families are fairly wealthy for east Tennessee! Nobody asks how my family feels if I lose my job. Enough with the excuses!
wheatbarley writes:
John, great stuff, as always. I had always heard that Neyland was hired with one directive--beat Vanderbilt. He did. These days, one would say--beat Florida. Others do, I just watched Auburn do it. When do we, as Vol fans, say contend for the SEC East title year in and year out, and we just might play for a national title.
Ralph_Crampton writes:
Fine comments you guys. But if you look at it from a practical standpoint...An ex-pro coach would never accept the Tennessee job...First of all a head coach for the Vols must be a "FIT" for the job...that is he would have to fit into the community like a glove..The above mentioned guys for the job..it would be doub tful if they would fit the volunteer...coaching duties. I think Pearl in my opinion was and abberational hire...What do you fellows think?
nicksjuzunk#646117 writes:
UTFAN1993: You speak with wisdom my friend. I agree with you. If they will make a change, there is not a chance in He.. uh, Florida, that it will be this year.
All of you anti-Fulmerites will have to wait until at least the end of next season. That is unless TN bombs out this year, which they won't.
I say stay the course. Laugh, scream, whatever. The administration won't change right now so you might as well enjoy some football.
CrankE writes:
Volgrog: You're right about those programs struggling for years. However, that's a function of how much tolerance for mediocrity that any given program has. Will you tolerate 3 years? 8? 15? I think Tennessee's tolerance should be very low.
As for Cooper, OSU had some powerful teams during his run. But they seldom beat Michigan and never closed the deal on a national title.
grvol writes:
Auburn sure showed how bad TN really is last night... How come everyone else can "play" with FL while our coaches and players go into their biggest rival game year after year "deer in the headlights". This has to stop and the stop must start by giving all these coaches their walking papers. If Auburn is stupid enough to fire Tuberville Vols should offer him that day.
waterskier3#226480 writes:
OMG this article scares me to death.... I didn't like the fulmer hire in 92 and this article points to hiring coach cut and that my friend would be a disaster.........
i'm afraid with that type of money on the line ut is not going to do anything this year... so here's to another 7 or 8 win season and a bowl loss....
is it basketball (ladies or guys) season yet??????
UTFAN1993 writes:
Waterskier, Ladies basketball practice starts two weeks from today
kevinlimbo#326134 writes:
Unbelievably, Fulmer has a chance to get back in the SEC east race next weekend. However, if the Vols loose to UGA, Hello South Florida, I'd like one coaching staff to go, please.
Colliervol writes:
Auburn had the one thing last night that was most important when dealing with Florida. They can tackle, whether it was in open space against the FL receivers and backs or against Tebow. They hit and tackled, something we evidently can't do. Auburn also had two defensive tackles that plugged the middle all night and didn't allow Tebow any space to run that little delayed draw.
I hope we have learned to tackle a little better because Georgia has several good running backs. (I think they had 350 yards rushing yesterday against Ole Miss.)
jandjhome#228397 writes:
I agree that we do not have experience outside the UT family, but I sure would like to see us try.
VOLinDAWGland writes:
UTFAN93...I agree based on the posts on this board...I'm not one of those fans and those fans will never be satisfied. I want a competitive program which we have had except for that pot hole of 2005...hoping that hole did not do permanent damage to the suspension.
I'm inclined to let this season run its course and if it turns out tolerable (no more that four losses) let Fulmer have a run in 2008 as this team and the schedule should be set-up for a potentially special year. If Fulmer and crew can't do it in 2008, than time for a change.
Meanwhile I imagine that Hamilton has a list and is checking it twice. The way he handles the change...if there is indeed one...will factor into a prime candidates considerations. In other words, this needs to be handled with class and dignity. Fans should conduct themselves likewise.
DarthVol writes:
It seems as though there is a core of fans who are holding out for a good year (this year or next) to validate Fulmer as a good head coach. Why? Does one SECC season simply erase the sins of the past. All the things that fans complain about now will then be dismissed?
It's unfair to judge him on a single season. I don't believe he is a 5-6 coach any more than he is a 13-0 coach. But both are on his record. He has a body of work to consider. At this point you've got be able to determine whether you like his coaching or not. If a single season can change what you think about his ability then you haven't been paying attention. jmo
invisiblekid writes:
CrankE once again hits on a key point IMO. "But the lack of championships since 1998 is a powerful recruiting deterrent too." Given that the this article and another delves into the history of the Vols, I think it is worth noting a couple of different types of history: recent history and ancient history. Recent history hasn't been particularly kind to the Vols with the 5-6 season, the blowout losses in the bowl games, etc. etc. Ancient history, through the eyes of an 18 year old recruit, is 10 years ago when we won the championship and posted that 45-5 mark through the 90's. The one thing that Fulmer has been an ace at over the years has been the recruiting angle and it's only a matter of time before that goes south if current trends continue. Unless Fulmer makes good on this "turnaround", it's soon going to be a question of "if not now, when?" as it relates to a coaching change. Based on the first four games this season, I think it is too much to expect that turnaround this season.
snowvol writes:
UT needs to follow the example of USC (Trojans) to get this thing ultimately turned around. From 1983 to 2000, SC won 6 PAC-10 Championships, went to 5 Rose Bowls (one PAC-10 title was a tie and they went to the Freedom Bowl), 12 bowl games overall and finished ranked in the Top Ten 3 times. But...what's missing? In that same timespan, they neither won nor played for a National Championship. At SC, that's not acceptable. They went through coaches Ted Tollner, Larry Smith and Paul Hackett with a level of success the administration and athletic department deemed acceptable at "other" places.....but not up to SC standards.
Enter Pete Carroll in 2001...the return to dominance was on.
If you take a peek at Oklahoma from 1989 to 1998, they had a near blueprint of chaos that SC suffered over a few more years. During OU's 10 year period, they had three coaches (Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake) that combined for a record of 61-50-3 with no Big 8 and later Big 12 Championships, obviously no National Championships and only 3 bowl appearances. Ultimately, after 10 forgettable seasons, they found a guy named Bob Stoops. Since Stoops' arrival, they've won a National Championship and played for several more.
All that said, if UT lets Fulmer go, trying to find the "perfect" fit for the next 20 years may not be as smart as bringing someone in with the clearly stated goal of SEC Championships and the opportunity to play for a National Championship. If the former can't be brought to fruition, the latter is a moot point...and the coaching search, after four or five years, should be on again.
injunvol writes:
i would be happy with a coach that can COACH
williams7977#215085 writes:
Wise men praise in public and critize in private. Most of us (alums) are not happy with where we are now, and my guess is that not one of the coaches are either. Thought for the day is "love it" or "leave it". Be a loyal fan and support them or just go away! Same ole clowns saying the same ole thing, just because one day a long time ago, somebody bought a ticket and sold it to a guy who gave it to them, making them the now "voice of the Vols"! I would love to buy your "family parrot" to see how well you would hold up under this kind of nonsense.
Sheepscape writes:
So you speak for the alums williams? Don't you later on in your post call people clowns for assuming they are the voice of the vols? Seems a hard sell.
I'm an alumnus that wants Fulmer to leave. Don't presume to speak for me.
ellisonfamily writes:
I hear the calls for an NFL type coach. I really do like the idea of Cowher, because of his obvious passion. However, Dave Wannstedt has not worked out so well at U. of Pittsburgh. I'm not sure there is a perfect formula of whether a guy is NFL or college only. The only thing we know is that most college coaches do not do well when they go to the NFL. However, NCAA to NCAA or NFL to NCAA can both work. All that being said, I do like Cowher's name in the mix. I like USF's coach even more -- maybe the Urban Meyer of 2007. I think he turned Alabama down, because there is so much BAGGAGE with that program. Maybe he would be open to UT.
doegem writes:
Spurrier.
BigOrangeJeff writes:
Good lord! Why can't some of you just admit that you'll never be happy until we run off a 10-year winning streak? I imagine if that were to happen, there would be calls to fire the coach when the streak ended, saying the game was passing him by.
I recall, immediately after Fulmer & Co. won the NC, some of you idiots were still saying he needed to go. Some of the justifications were real doozies, too, like, "We barely won some of those games, we should have dominated everybody", and "If Arkansas hadn't choked, we wouldn't even have been there.", and "We didn't beat Florida, they beat themselves", and "We only won because FSU was playing there 3rd team QB! Fire Fulmer!!!"
Do all of us - including yourselves - a huge favor. Admit that your lives are so sad and dismal, you have to trash anything and everything in order to feel good about yourselves. Admit that you'll never be satisfied, no matter how much success the program has. Admit that you're a bunch of pathetic losers living in your moms' basements, going blind from hours of Halo and the internet (among other things), only emerging from the shadows once a week to replenish your supplies of Dr. Pepper, Slim Jims, and Twinkies.
In the meantime, find another team. We don't need you.
Big Orange Jeff
StallionVol writes:
Interesting to me that we advocate for a coach "outside the family" and in the same breath state we have been a top five winning program "inside the family."
If CPF doesn't get it together this year (and he may) - we should hire the best man for the job regardless of any "ties" with the program. I don't see anyone on the staff I'd want per say - but are we going to rule out Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden, just because they have "ties?"
In the event of a change, we need a truly open mind - and not go one direction or another just for the sake of doing it differently.
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