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Fulmer excited about future
Spring football practice for Tennessee starts March 11.
And as crazy as it sounds, considering the exhausting ride he has been on for the last month — hiring four new coaches, including an offensive coordinator, while dealing with recruiting — Vols’ coach Phillip Fulmer is itching to get back on the field.
“I am looking forward to getting back to football and seeing what we have as a team,” said Fulmer, who was in Memphis on Thursday night at the Hilton for the third stop of the Vols’ football recruiting celebration. “Sometimes, change is good, maybe not as much as went through.”
Fulmer, defensive coordinator John Chavis and two new coaches — offensive coordinator Dave Clawson and running backs coach Stan Drayton — made a sweep across the state the day after signing day.
They met with Vols’ boosters and fans in Knoxville in the morning, lunched in Nashville and ended the day in Memphis where Fulmer was honest about what recruiting services are calling his lowest rated class ever.
The 18-member class is ranked No. 36 nationally by both Rivals and Scouts. Rivals ranked the Vols eighth in the SEC while Scout had the Vols 10th. Tennessee, co-Eastern Division champs last year when it went 10-4 and lost in the SEC title game to eventual national champ LSU, failed to sign any five-star prospects. Last year, Rivals rated Tennessee’s recruiting class No. 3 nationally.
“The fact is that we’re not (a top 10 class),” Fulmer said. “We didn’t have a lot of scholarships available because we’re a young team. But I said the same thing last year (about the recruiting rankings). Let the kids get to campus and see what they are really like. All classes should be evaluated after three or four years.”
The Vols didn’t have many commitments before the coaching staff defections, including losing arguably the staff’s two best recruiters. Offensive coordinator David Cutcliffe went to Duke as a head coach and wide receivers coach Trooper Taylor moved to Oklahoma State as co-offensive coordinator.
If that didn’t hurt enough, five current Tennessee players have been arrested and charged by police in the last four weeks. The timing, smack dab in the middle of recruiting, couldn’t have been worse.
“We went a long time without any issues, and the timing of that was terrible,” Fulmer said.
Still, the Vols managed to sign several four-star prospects who figure to contribute immediately, such as Thomasville (N.C.) High wide receiver E.J. Abrams-Ward, Olive Branch linebacker Marlon Walls and junior college linebacker Gerald Williams of City College of San Francisco.
While Fulmer is excited about Walls — “He’s a guy that could play with his hand on the ground as pass rushing defensive end or standing up as a linebacker,” Fulmer said — he is also intrigued by Ward.
He’s a 6-5, 210-pound pass-catching machine who was rated as the best player in North Carolina. Just to confirm the athleticism that Fulmer saw on film, he went to one of Ward’s basketball games.
“He’s handling the ball on the break, he’s above the rim, he’s dunking,” Fulmer said. “At one point, a guy undercut him and he got mad about that. For the next five minutes, he took the ball violently to the basket.
“I liked that. I liked that he had the ability to turn it up to another level.”
Fulmer is also ready to get to work with Clawson, 40, who spent the last nine years as a head coach at Fordham (1999-2003) and at Richmond (2004-07). At each school, he was named Division 1-AA’s national Coach of the Year.
During the interview process, Fulmer thoroughly enjoyed Clawson’s candor, even when he disagreed with Fulmer on several points.
“He is as stubborn as can be, and that’s a good thing,” Fulmer said of Clawson, who went 29-29 at Fordham and was 29-20 at Richmond. “It’s healthy in an organization to have people like that. He’s very opinionated, which is good. I’m smart enough to hire people smarter than me.”

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Best thing I read was Clawson, "stubborn as he can be". Hooray! Might not hurt to listen to him, what do ya think?
Posted by 71vol on February 8, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What does he mean "Co-Easten Division Champs"? Was there more than one? Or did I mis-under-read what he wrote?
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A positive article for a change. Nice...
I can't wait to see Crompton going deep to Abrams-Ward.
Go Vols!
Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
71vol-1:08, Ga fans have claimed they had the same record, conveniently forgetting the debacle in K-town. SEC office told my buddy Fletch, there is no east or west SEC award, only the SEC Championship trophy. What do they know?
Posted by orangebass on February 8, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I1m sure Bama's ready for spring too. So they can see how great those four star prospects from the state of Tennessee are gonna be.
Posted by abundantlycleargreg on February 8, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you want a little different assessment from an active high school talent scout concerning Tennessee's recruiting class, look at Max Emfinger's interview at the following site. http://www.finebaum.com/audio_current... , then scroll down to 02/06 and select the emfinger interview.
He says that TN's class has been underated by other services and he has them rated higher than most. He has dealt with many of the recruits and he has some of them listed much higher. But he also goes on to say that they were also the biggest disappointment in the South.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well orangebass, unless they all enrolled at mid-term (highly unlikely since they signed wednesday), they're going to have to wait until the summer.
Posted by iowavol on February 8, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Attaboy, Coach. can't wait to see spring practice myself. Considering the talent you have coming back from either injuries or grades, plus these recruits, it's not a bad class afterall. Most of us realize that a handfull of posters with their venomous diatribes spewed on this site, along with a few glory seeking reporters had as much to do if not more so with the less than typical signing class. Regardless, we are behind you and look forward to an exciting, up tempo product on the field next year.
GO VOLS!
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pretty stinking hypocritical that Foolmore is talking about repetition. Pot calling kettle black there.
Dunking on an 8' goal isn't the same as dunking on an actual one.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Even with a bad recruiting year, we do have reason to be optimistic for the upcoming football season. We have great talent returning, new coaches with hopefully better play calling and Ainge is gone. What more could we want?
Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ole TDtn- 1:29 p.m. Have you ever dunked a glazed?
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was 16 I could dunk a tennis ball, if only coach Fulmer could have seen me glide with that tennis ball, maybe I'd got a look. Now I only dunk oreos. Its not the age, its the gut, I can't get it to go that high! *LOL*
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bigbluevol--your comment made absolutely not sense. but then you rarely do.
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jimr07: that's the spirit! You go amigo!
Posted by ggriggs939 on February 8, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's wait and see how Cutcliffe and Taylor recruit at their new locations. If they are successful there, we can conclude they are good recruiters. If they don't fare so well, perhaps their effectiveness was because they were at Tennessee. I do not recall any great recruits Cutcliffe had at Mississippi. Manning was sent there by Archie to be coached by David. Being a good coach does not mean he is good recruiter.
If Duke or OKState jump into the top 10 in about 3 years, that will be a different matter, like good recruiting and good coaching.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, both of bigbluevol's posts make perfect sense.
Not sure what you are missing jimr07
Posted by KnoxVol_in_TX on February 8, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bigorangedude...give Ainge a break man. He did his job well, and better than many others could have.
He was a VOL so get over it.
Posted by ggriggs939 on February 8, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Perhaps it was the other Co-Eastern Division team that played in the second half and lost the game against LSU. I don't recall which team it was, though.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is a great article on college football news that goes back and evaluates the 2004 class. Tennessee was ranked number three and all those schools, like Texas who was ranked that year at number one, fell significantly. so, all you guys that think signing 5* is going to produce national championships, i encourage to read that article.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jim, if you read the comments posted prior to mine, in what is known as sequential order, it will greatly enhance your ability to understand what I was saying.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
auttat--the point is what i am missing.
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ainge should have been benched with the shoulder injury. Then perhaps we could have gone vertical with JC, instead of the highly predictable horizontal Cutcliffe game. My granny could have told you what we would do on 3rd and long.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry bigbluevol, i did read the comment before yours and it still makes no sense. but that is just me. i am sure all the other people understood it since you are so eloquent.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KnoxVol_in_TX- I'm not saying Ainge wasn't good, but he wasn't a great QB, if he was we would had at least 1 SEC title to prove it. Also he's too Cocky, I saw that from day 1. I'm still glad we are turning the chapter and hopefully Crompton will lead us to an SEC title
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
let me help you then. See, Foolmore always bashes Fulmer, questions him, etc. Criticizes the program and so on. He's quite repetitive himself. Then he posts about how Fulmer always says we're young. That's hypocrisy. OleTDTN said he could dunk when he as 6' and a high school underclassmen. I was making a good natured joke that dunking on an 8' goal isn't the same as dunking on a regulation goal.
Posted by mparker on February 8, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdowntn:
I suffer from WMD, can't jump worth a damn at 6'.
My 6' daughter outjumps me (sigh).
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mparker12- I understand, I'm suffering from the furniture disease myself , my chest has fell down in my drawers
Posted by BleedOrange on February 8, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Check out this article about Cutcliff and his new qb: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colleg...
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the same kid that had high interest in UT? From what I heard Cut and others said he just wasn't UT material. Yet he is good enough to get a scholarship offer to Duke faxed to him right after the acceptance letter Cut sent to the Duke AD. It just doesn't look good.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ok, jimr07, follow very closely.
He references a comment CRVol/VolCR/Foolmore has made at least 1000 x's on this site. ("Wet behind the hears excuse from Fulmer") bigblue says its like the pot calling the kettle black because Foolmer's point was Fulmer makes that comment all the time.
He goes on to reference a comment Oletdtn made about dunking as a freshman. He says there is a difference in dunking on a goal at 8' and one at 10'.
If you still can't follow, we can't help you.
Posted by VOLinDAWGland on February 8, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So Clawson has been onboard for almost a month now, has probably had a chance to watch a lot of film and do some analysis on talent versus scheme. Why no interview by KNS with this incredibly important part of the program? It's as if he doesn't exist. I'll give KNS the benefit of doubt that he's just been too busy to accomodate them given the move, hiring, recruiting and catching-up on the players. But I'd expect something about him in more depth at some point reasonably soon.
Posted by GerryOP on February 8, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach Fulmer, we are interested in seeing you back on the practice field too! This is the year when we find out if you have indeed righted the ship and found the right course to stay. We all wish you and the team well!
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My money is on Clawson. The best thing to happen to TN football was Dook. Cut should have plastic statues of both Mannings on his dash. They made him; not the other way around. IMO.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Foolmore criticizes things at least 4 times a day, I love it. It's not hard to keep track of the screennames when they all say the same thing, in the same way.
Posted by NJVol on February 8, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Foolmore on February 8, 2008 at 1:26 p.m
By saying we are young, I think Fulmer is saying that we didn't have a lot of scholarships to give, since there are not many graduating seniors. Its not an excuse.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Foolmore, you know you are my hero!
And, I am so sorry I misspelled your name the second time. I drooled a little bit in my diary last night and when I wiped it away, it smeared your name a little. I promise to do better.
Posted by vintonvol on February 8, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the point with Renfree was that he did not have the talent level to compete against the QB's that are already at UT. Going to Duke, he is their #1 QB right away. You take the worst QB at Tennessee and move him to Duke and it raises the talent level at QB at both schools.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
volindawgland, I agree that a Clawson piece would be interesting. Plus, since Clawson worked with Drayton and Scott, you could easily write a story about all 3 at once. More than that though, I'm looking forward to the offense we will run. Watching his game against App State you can see his play calling is aggressive and exciting. Should be really fun next year.
Posted by thatswhatshesaid on February 8, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe that playing above the rim isn't just all about dunking, even cpf knows his basketball lingo. Playing above the rim simply means your highly atheletic and your getting after it. anyways exciting player and great class, seems we have guys who actually WANT to play football.
Posted by BleedOrange on February 8, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
vintonvol,
I know that ranking recruits is very subjective; however, Renfree was rated ahead of Casey Kelly yet we went after him even though he might play pro ball. We obviously felt like we needed to sign someone at the position. Why make a last minute push for the lower rated qb who will miss all the spring practices while he is on the diamond? Why not go after the higher rated qb who is dying to play at UT? In my opinion it makes Cutcliff look bad.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As long as Kelly doesn't go pro in baseball, I believe we're good at QB. I beleive he is good enough to possibly take over as a sophmore after Crompton graduates. I remember another QB at UT, Andy Kelly who wasn't too bad a QB.
Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I dunked once when I was 10 years old!! My sister hated me for a month and I wasn't allowed to go back to the pool for a week!! LOL
Posted by vintonvol on February 8, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Renfree wasn't dying to play at UT, he was dying to play for Cutcliffe. Same reason Pryor dropped UT after Cutcliffe left.
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good article on Cut, BleedO. But I thought Cut wasn't eligible to accept a National Championship ring since he left the program prior to the game. Sanders was OC for the Fiesta Bowl.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bleed, I think the difference is that kelly is reported to run a 4.6. Clawson has run spread concepts before and that type of speed would allow that to happen. Renfree, I believe, is more of a dropback passer. However, it could be a moot point as Kelly likely will get drafted and not set foot on campus.
Posted by beaznvol on February 8, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We have two HUGE talents coming out of our state in 2008. Harding Academy and Hillsboro. Both are Tennessee fans. Both have many offers already. One is good friends with Golden Tate according to the rivals article. I BET we get BOTH of them!
No joke, we're gonna be really good this season. The problems with pass rush we MAY have will be made up by the coverage in the secondary. We have to finish folks this year. We cannot let up (Georgia, 2nd half, S.C. 2nd half), we have to beat folks by 21 points. UCLA will be a very tough game b/c those coaches are two of the best in the nation. Clawson better have his game face on. Look on the brightside, he will be trying to bring his A game every saturday because he has something to prove. I will say this, if he puts up lots of points with his offense then I will be a believer. I think he will.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is a weird scenerio. Cutcliffe wins an ACC title within 4 years, coach Fulmer retires, Cutcliffe becomes next HC at UT. I think its possible if coach Fulmer lasts that long at UT or long enough for Cutcliffe to be successful at Duke!
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
auttat--man i am so lucky to have someone interpret for me since i cannot grasp what someone is saying. i do appreciate you taking time to explain all of that to me. since i am a UT grad,i need someone like you to help me along. slow learner you might say.
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Successful at Duke is a winning record. i don't think you'll see an ACC Championship anytime soon.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope that the fact that one of them is friends with Golden Tate doesn't hurt us in recruiting. What's the kid's name? I assume the one from Harding academy is Marlon Brown. That dude sounds like a beast.
auttat, thanks for the help, by the way.
Posted by FWBVol on February 8, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I could be wrong, but I believe next you will see Fulmer and Clawson go after a stud QB next year. If Clawson's system looks good in the spring and early season, that is puts some big numbers up against UCLA and others, top quarterbacks should be lining up to play for us.
I don't think Casey Kelly was an afterthought. He was recruited while Cutcliffe was an assistant and continued to be after the Clawson hire. Whether he plays or not really is a moot point at this time.
We have three scholarship QBs that will respective be a redshirt junior, redshirt sophomore and redshirt freshman. The depth at the position looks good with or without Kelly, who will probably redshirt this season as well if he doesn't play pro baseball.
One of the good things about the signing of both Kelly and Abrams-Ward is the continued willingness of Phillip Fulmer to let kids play another sport while being on a football scholarship.
I might be wrong, but I believe the last guy to try and play football and basketball at the same time was Jermaine Copeland out of Harriman. After a year or two he decided to stick with football, and I think that was the right choice.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things pan out with these guys playing two sports.
Posted by vintonvol on February 8, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Duke should be absolutely giddy if they can become bowl eligible.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Foolmore on February 8, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"we're a young team"....9th verse, same as 1st.
I love how we're always wet behind the ears according to Fulmer.
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Nice try if you were addressing a blog full of people w/ iam4ua's IQ, but you've taken the statement completely out of context and you know it.
Predictably pathetic.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FWBVol- Good post! You hit the nail on the head. If we are successful next year and put up big yards and points, then we will land a big time QB next year. I have to be honest though, I'm not a big fan of the 2 sport athletes. I know its worked for a few in the past, but ultimately they do choose one or the other, however its a great recruiting tool. I think though we will have to show consistancy beyond game 1 to get QB's lining up to play for us.
Posted by invisiblekid on February 8, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I could dunk at 6'0 in HighSchool after my Freshmen year. Laddee da." I was unaware they could stack **** that high Ole TDTN. Sorry man, I couldn't resist having a little fun by taking a jab, no harm meant.
Seriously, the most important thing about this article and the Spring will be Clawson and how well he does his job as QB coach and OC. No sense complaining about recruiting at this point, it's done and over.
Posted by bigorangedude on February 8, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm outta here! Hope you all have a great week and I hope everyone chooses to go to church this weekend! God Bless!
Romans 10:9-10
Romans 5: 1-2
Posted by orangeinmississippi on February 8, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For all you wannabes who can only coach from the recliner! Give coach a break! Only one team can win a national title each year and we've won one with in the last 10 years so give it a rest! I'll bet you chumps who like to make it a point to dog him out every chance you get were singing his praises when he won the National Title! So to all you 2 FACE @$$ HOLES, KISS MY ORANGE @$$!!!!!! GO VOLS!!!!
Posted by jobrando on February 8, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The ole 'Young Team' ....will there ever be a mature team or is it they all end up benched before maturing, and the young ones have to come in and finish the season
Posted by sjt18 on February 8, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Read the other day that Kelly missed football games for a staff infection in his arm. Also, Clawson had him at camp... There's a decent chance he's better than advertised.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No problem, bigbluevol. I just get sick and tired of people belittling others on this site when they wouldn't even come close to talking to someone like that in person. We are all 10' tall and bullet proof behind our keyboards, though, right?
I would love to see CRVol/Foolmore interact with Fulmer in person.
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just so you know, it's staph, not staff. As in, staphylococcus, a common but potentially pathogenic bacterium. The worst species is staph aureus, which 25% of Americans carry in their nasal cavities. So, always wash hands before eating, especially during cold season. So endeth the lesson.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jimr07, I'm glad I could help. And to think that some students can't even pass 6 hours a semester at UT!
Ah well! I'm here if you need me.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jobrando, go back are read the article again. This time pay attention. Sound out the words if it helps.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, HotlantaVol. I feel a whole lot better about that chinese buffet I had for lunch now. :-P
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No problem.
Just stay away from the Cat Foo Young and the Puppy Chow Mein.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is there a species of staphylococcus bacteria that makes you feel "rumbly in the tumbly"???
I think I'll around crop dusting the ol cube farm for a couple of minutes to see if it helps...
prarie doggin is imminent...
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It doesn't matter what he says. He offers reasons, people who hate him take them as excuses. He chooses to try to remain positive, people say he's living in denial. There will always be critics, no matter what he does. And, if you interacted with him in person, I'm sure he wouldn't "real" with you because he doesn't owe you anything.
Posted by auttat on February 8, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess everyday, since he is the head coach. I think he fully understands its all his responsibility. The only way he couldn't take accountability is to resign.
OH! Did you just pop a chub?
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wouldn't be real, apologies for the typo.
Posted by UTBEATEMALL on February 8, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Orangeinmississippi, hoowah!!!
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes. It's called staph foolmorius. You get exposed to it by having to listen to whining and complaining for extended periods of time. It causes you to get sick at the stomach and, if not treated promptly, could cause you to go into a violent rage and throw your computer across the room.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The treatment for staph foolmorius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuMMSE...
Posted by invisiblekid on February 8, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Streptococcal bacteria are a nasty thing this time of year as well.
Losvolsganan, if you ate at a Chinese buffet you should be more worried about bacillus cereus from the rice or salmonella from the chicken. Of course, there is the ever popular E. Coli 0157:H7 and Clostridium perfringens along with Campylobacter jejuni from undercooked meat as well. Simple rule of thumb, make sure whatever you eat is HOT and hope it hasn't been reheated.
Posted by HotlantaVol on February 8, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nice one, Losvols. It is definitely Friday.
Posted by bigbluevol on February 8, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How nice of you to help Mike Hamilton do his job. I'm sure he appreciates the unsolicited help.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The last hour at work on Friday on a sloooowwwww day. I've tried unsuccessfully at getting someone's gander up here on GVX, so now I'm reduced to surfing utube for gaseous videos. Sad thing is I don't have a sound card here so they're not that funny...
Posted by orangeinmississippi on February 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Foolmore,are you a former player who rode the bench? Is that why you are so upset at FULMER? Isn't it time to go back to work sacking groceries at KROGER? I'll bet your MAJOR was Paper or plastic!
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not very "green" of you, ol TD...
I'm gonna have to report you to Al Gore...
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the "fishing in the rain" thing. Have caught some nice bass using your invention.
Have also enjoyed a "fritura o dos"...
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There's hope for you still, ol TD.
You're preaching to the choir on the Al Gore thing. Although I thought about using his "carbon offsets" idea to make some money, since I planted about 90 baby pine trees this year on the back of my property...
Posted by BleedOrange on February 8, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One of the recruiting gurus was just on the radio here in Atlanta. He said UT's recruiting problems had more to do with the off the field issues than anything. Fulmer apparently had a hard time convincing parents he would keep them on the straight and narrow. Maybe parents are starting to wonder if Fulmer's waistline is a result of the munchies.
Send Al Gore here:
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.a...
Posted by Volfan1 on February 8, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's see....who is more knowledgable about coaching and what Tennessee needs...a old coot like OleTDTN and his senile companion Foolmore, who complain like they are not getting enough vanilla pudding at a nursing home or Peyton Manning and dozens of other former UT players who supported him in the infamous ad in the KNS?
Some of you guys wouldn't have a life or a vocabulary if it wasn't for your whining about Coach Fulmer.
Why don't you crybabies switch to supporting an OVC team and leave here? You don't want what is good for UT. You could switch to supporting Austin Peay, and every morning that you are able to get out of bed you could cheer, "Let's go Peay!" if you haven't already before you got up. At least then your words would serve a purpose.
Go Vols!
Posted by Volfan1 on February 8, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OleTDTN,
I will give you an A+ on your assessment of ALGORE.
That is one thing you get right.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Lets go Peay!" LOL, cracks me up every time I hear it...
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Fishing in the rain...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EqWP5...
Posted by BleedOrange on February 8, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I heard Al Gore invented the Whizzinator 3000. Maybe he can donate a few to the team for the next drug test.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Since you ditched me on the Gaines thread, oleTDTN, here is a free spanish lesson. Don't take it the wrong way, remember you asked...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqXd5q...
Posted by asleep on February 8, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think Fulmer is excited about Abrams-Ward is his unbelievable athleticism. Number one player out of NC? I'd say his is quite extraordinary. Probably reminds CPF of Patrick Turner, the [Nashville] Goodpasture kid with UT ties who couldn't resist playing for Carroll at USC. Just because you are 6-5 does not mean you can "play above the rim". How long since we have had a receiver that tall with that level of skill, to be able to take folks to the hole off the dribble and slam? I can't remember one. If Clawson really does want to make our offense vertical, this kid is the perfect addition to Crompton's cannon arm. Quit over-analyzing Fulmer's comments and try and see the incredible upside of this one player in our [hopefully] new look offense. I'm excited too. Go Vols!!!
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oleTouchdown--who is your recommendation to replace Fulmer. i have asked you that before and got not answer. at program like ours would attract a name coach. so, instead of just complaining give us some names that would satisfy you.
Posted by budd on February 8, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletdtn you're my heroo
Posted by Indianavol on February 8, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To the Bammer Morons copying articles from this site and pasting in the TurdSports.com forum:
Laugh it up trailer park trash, you will get yours in October in Knoxville when to Big Orange pounds your Crimson Turd into the turf.
When the dirty, cheating Bammer bastards win the SEC, then you can crow. Until then SHUT UP!!
FULMER STILL OWNS YOUR SORRY @SSES!
Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
llowry1000 4:38 p.m. -Is vanilla pudding good at a nursing home?
Posted by vintonvol on February 8, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jimr07, I agree with you. I've asked the same question of the anti-Fulmer crowd in two seperate articles without an answer. You can't fire one coach unless you've got somebody in mind to replace him. Who is it? Who's the next UT coach if you get rid of Fulmer?
Posted by KnoxVol_in_TX on February 8, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OletouchdownTN - not teaming up on you, but I am with jimr07 on the question: who's your suggested replacement.
Far to often do you see teams fall into coaching purgatory when they try to make a change and the program goes from coach to coach for the next 7-10 years. Alabama certainly comes to mind.
Personally, I havent made up my mind about Fulmer. I do think he has fallen short of the realistic goal of winning the SEC (numerous times), but I do think that, to some degree, without him our team may have fallen into poor hands.
Staff changes can be all about timing. Right now, I dont think we have a good strategy set up to let the big fish loose. I say, wait until we see an opportunity in a solid coach, and let Phil ride of in the sunset.
Maybe it's too idealistic, but I would rather see Phil go out with his dignity and without any downtime for finding a quality replacement.
Posted by utmdm on February 8, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Indianavol, hate to keep correcting you guys but it is not when bumma wins the SEC. It is when bumma BUYS the SEC.
Posted by CrimsonTide on February 8, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach Foolmer go out with dignity? It's too late for that. You guys are getting what you deserve, and I love it, because the crimson dynasty is back. See you guys in October, with your 2* recruits and fat lying coach.
Posted by Volfan1 on February 8, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff, you'll have to ask TDTN or the other cranky posters about that pudding.
Posted by cdldoc on February 8, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Last 8 of 9 posts were tdtn. Needs a better job or some lithium.
Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like GerryOP said, wish them all the best. Don't envy the coaches tasks, especially Chavis and d-staff. DBs look good. Want to see them when not left on an island.
Be good to see quick LBs. ?- mark will be d-line and lets all hope they'll be more than adequate. Can't give QBs time to average more than 300+ yds (good teams) vs us. Need sacks and hurries.
Coach 'em up.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
come on oletouchdown, tell us who you would have to replace fulmer. you have been asked this at least three times and you continue to ignore the question. put or shut up.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i would rather you name one you would like to have. i can name ones that i don't want. you continue to bash him and i keep wondering who would be your choice. you are just dodging the question.
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OCT17: You refer to haters. Who are they?
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well TDTN, I guess that leaves out Mark Richt, Steve Spurrier, Houston Nutt, Sylvester Croom, Bobby Johnson and Brooks, since they all lost to Fulmer last year.
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So, your criteria is any coach that beat Fulmer or lost to him last year?
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You may be right, TDTN. Maybe Fulmer won all those games and almost beat the National Champs by luck. So what's wrong with having a lucky coach?
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Based on O's success this season (or next), it will be The Claw. My prediction.
Posted by UT_Fan on February 8, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's do some comparisons here.
Bryant coached at Alabama for 25 years, winning six national titles
(1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, and 1979)
His worst 4 seasons.
1967 Alabama 8 2 1 .773
1968 Alabama 8 3 0 .727
1969 Alabama 6 5 0 .545
1970 Alabama 6 5 1 .542
for 4 years record: 28 - 15 - 2 for a 65% record.
and the worst 2 years of 12 - 10 -1 barely above 50%
But if you naysayers had your way, you would have fired Bear Bryant in 1970, and missed out on 3 more NC teams in the 70's
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Darryl Royal won the NC in 1963, but looked what happened next.
1965 Texas 6 4 0 0.60000
1966 Texas 7 4 0 0.63636
1967 Texas 6 4 0 0.60000
for 3 year period: 19 wins 12 losses for 61%
In 1966 he did manage to win the Bluebonnet bowl.
I'm sure the grump grumps were tickled about
that victory...
So I guess Texas should have fired him, after
1 bad season and 3 bad seasons you are in a downward spiral. I guess they should have drawn and quartered him. But he did manage to win 2 more NC's in 1969 and 1970.
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This is the "WORST" 4 year record for CPF
his record, and national rankings
2004 Tennessee 10–3 7–1 1st W Cotton 15 13
2005 Tennessee 5–6 3–5 T-4th (East) — —
2006 Tennessee 9–4 5–3 2nd (East) Outback 23 25
2007 Tennessee 10–4 6–2 T-1st (East)Outback 12 12
4 year record = 34 - 17 66% and it really is just the one really bad year and we have been first, tied for first and second in the east division. and we have been ranked in the top 25 for 3 of those years. I truly do not understand what the fussing is all about.
You remove the one bad year and his record in 3 of the past 4 years is 29-11 for a 72% winning percentage, that is not too shabby. Especially when you consider this is his "worst" 4 years
and his "worst" includes 2 - 10 win seasons. In my book that is playing competitive ball. So if some of you get what you want and fire Fulmer exactly what are your expectations...
Does UT go and look for another coach and say, "We want a NC every 5 or 6 years and you have to win the SEC once every 2 or 3 years or we will fire you and get someone else?"
Exactly who do you think would come to UT and coach with those unrealistic goals?
Will CPF win another NC, the odds are probably not. It is not an easy thing to accomplish. Will he win another SEC championship, don't know. But I know he is a good enough coach to make it happen. And I believe we are heading back to that level, and had a good chance this past year.
I know CPF is commited to UT and not just a gun for hire, who doesn't care about the school and is just waiting for the next job with more pay. CPF puts good teams on the field, I enjoy the games. I always feel we have a good chance of winning any game we play and most of the time we do win. Show some appreciation for what he has accomplished.
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ, I think you're right. I believe Fulmer's intent is to prepare Clawson to be his successor. How does that grab you crybabies, knowing that Fulmer will pick his own replacement?
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UT_Fan, you're trying to use logic to confuse the haters. Facts don't impress them. These crybabies want to just sit in the corner and whimper.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oldetouchdown--i am not the one calling for his firing. you are. and you still will not say who you would rather have. YOU KEEP DODGING THE QUESTION.
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, if I'm not mistaken, LSU was not the only team that went into the SEC championship game thinking they were going to be losing coaches. Try another one, then go back to your crying.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--you are typical of the butt monkeys. tennessee won the NC but.........tennessee won the sec east but..........we beat vandy but.......we beat kentudky but......we played in the championship game but........in addition to your telling us who you would like to replace Fulmer, just what are your expectations? is 11-2 OK? or does it have to be 12-1. if we were 12-1 you would be complaining about that. yes we went 12-1 but.....you are full of it. and you know what you are full of.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, oleTDTN! I see you've whipped up quite a fan club on this thread. I'm a fulmeron, but I'll be happy to cattle gate 'em and send 'em to ya one by one, if you need me to. LOL
Posted by rabidvol1998 on February 8, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UT_Fan - excellent research.
Jimr07 - Good question. No one can/will answer it because there is no coach in the country with a proven better record over time that has to recruit. The closest is Frank Beamer at Va Tech. I'd take him if Phil quit tomorrow, but coach has 5-7 more years in him.
Posted by rabidvol1998 on February 8, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OleTouchdownTN - What has Spurrier done lately?
He is a very good coach. He did not have to recruit in Florida. Example, 33 of ESPN top 150 in Florida this year, 1 in TN.
Regardless - if he actually came (which he won't so it's a moot point) I would boycott. I'd keep my tickets, but put a sign on the seats that says "I'll be back when some who bleeds orange is our coach".
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Funky...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKiWn...
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown-- i did not call you anything, i said you were full of something. the fact is you come with names that you know are absolutely not available to tennessee. be realistic. i could say i would like to see tony dungy but do you think he would be available. name someone that would be a real fit at tennessee and would actually consider. i am not happy either with the past few years. i would love to have seen us in a bcs bowl but it did not work out. ragging on ainge and cutcliff and fulmer does not solve the problem. neither will firing fulmer. there are a lot of teams out there that would like to his record since he has been head coach. just go down I-40 in either direction.
Posted by rabidvol1998 on February 8, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ole - who is the "rest of the SEC"? - are you talking about bloggers? Fulmer doesn't get job offers because he's not a "professional coach" seeking the highest salary. He is and orange-blooded Volunteer. "He's not highly thought of by recruits". See #3 ranking last year. See comments of recruits who went elsewhere and said the hardest thing they had to do was say no the Phil.
You can hate Phil. You can want a new coach. But you might as well quit the lame reasons. Just say you have a right to your opinion.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rabidvol1998--good post. go to collegefootballnews.dom and you will see a re-ranking of classes in 2004. Tennessee ranked fourth and the teams that were rated ahead of us that year fell dramatically. Texas is the prime example. Coach february was lucky to get vince young and he called the dogs off down here in Texas. it is an interesting article and just shows how high rankings on signing day do not equate to great performance later on.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CrimsonTide's fancy new hot tub:
http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_...
Posted by rabidvol1998 on February 8, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ole - Spurrier was better at Florida than Fulmer at TN. Could Spurrier do a better job at TN, I doubt it. As I said, even if he could, I'd boycott.
Spurrier at FL is better than most all coaches in the country. Should every school in America try and hire Spurrier? What should the schools who don't get him do, quit. How is SC doing by the way. They will never win an SEC championship while Spurrier is there.
That's all I've got unless you have facts to state. Obviously we have different opinions.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--i really wish you knew as much as you think you know. you are entitled to your opinion just like i am entitled to mine. the fact is this a tennessee site and it is in poor taste to be on here and continuously degrade the coach and the team. i remember you comments about ainge and you were unmerciful in your criticism. i forgot the year that you played. if fulmer was so bad and the team so bad, are you willing to tell the 109,000 that attned the games they are wasting their money? bottom line: people still come to the games. i wish i was still in tennessee to attend.
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yum, yum, eat em up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lix7Ye...
Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well, this back n forth love fest is too much for me.
Buenas noches, mis compadres...
Posted by volster on February 8, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OTDTN, when you say that Fulmer had good recruiting classes because of Cut and Trooper, have you looked to see what kind of a class Duke and Oklahoma State got this year? I'm sure you have a good explanation, so please share some more of your wisdom with us.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--do you have inside information that washington asked spurrier or did spurrier apply. you obviously do not read other comments very thouroughly. why would anyone come to fulmer who is a tennessee born, tennessee bred and has his job of a lifetime. and, how do you know for sure that no one tried to hire him away? inside information? you talk like you have a direct line into the athletic department. my guess is that you do not. again, i want to reiterate that i am not that happy about the past few years but we have a good coach and he will prove to us this fall his ability as a coach.
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, how do you figure steve spurrier is at the top of your list for coaches? He was given an olympic sized pool of talent in SC, and the old spurrier name...now tell me what he's done? 1-2 against fulmer?(the shamed coach, right?) 6-6 this year, losing 5 in a row?!?! But you'll attribute all of that to luck, right? Not to mention the guy is not the youngest coach in the world...He'd be coming here like Old Lou Holtz went to USC; to make some extra money and watch a program go down the drain before he takes on a stupid role on ESPN. The minute you attribute our three close wins this year to luck is the time you need to realize that good teams perservere in the face of adversity. Accept that your team (I hope it's UT), overcame odds and waxed an awesome georgia team, beat up on a scary Arkansas team and finished the season first in the SEC east. FIRST. Something that you'll never accept. It's obvious that LSU fans don't really care about UK and Arkansas anymore...(oh yeah, the coach that isn't good at coaching happened to beat those two teams, weird). Stop being perenially pessimistic and go back into your hole
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh btw TDTN, Spurrier is just one person away? weird, the same reason you've been chastising UT, you've praised USC. Go ahead and change your name to TouchdownCocks...I'm sure you like the Cocks better anyway...
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i, too, knew Bill Battle very well and helped him recruit in the nashville area. i also helped doug mathews after i moved to houston. thank goodness alumni are not longer involved in the recruiting process. In fact, bill battle stayed at my house on his recruiting trips to nashville. one of the finest men i have ever known and it is a shame what happened to him. if woodruff had held off a few more years, bill would have gone down in the annuls of greatness. he, was a little weak in the recruiting area outside of tennessee. i knew him well and still get a chrismas card from him every year. one of the friendships i will cherish the rest of my life.
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ole...you also said
Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky and Wisconsin would pound us silly. Your wrong. Which predictions of yours do we trust?
Sorry old man...and I am of age to call you that... you are farting dust now and reaching for s---. Majors got beat by Bama like a drunken child abuser does to his step children most every year....remember " Humphrey scores again!"
Ala- 56
TN-28
And all of that INSIDE Neyland on TV...not on the road
Yes we got the hell beat of us at Fla and Ala.
As I learned to do with Majors while he was coach....live with it and move along.
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, well thanks for validating my points further...good work
It's a good day to be a Vols fan, not a Cocks one.
BTW, if you're such an insider, why don't you go tell "foolmer" how much he sucks yourself? Probably because most of the people on this site, including you and sphs, are full of sh*%.
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It took Majors hiring a great recruiter ( Fulmer ) in 79 to put Johnny on the map. It took Johnny 5 long years to beginning winning with any consistency at Tenn. Not the mark of a great coach...hell Spurrier beat him and Spurrier was at Duke at the time. Does Rutgers ring a bell also?
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And now the justification is that South Carolina is a bad program...they sure do seem to have the facilities...the 85,000 seat stadium that's filled out every gameday with dedicated fans doesn't suggest that(as I witnessed in '04 when our freshmen quarterbacks stomped them out). If he's the savior, he'd at least make it to a bowl this year, but that was way too much to ask, considering their daunting out of conference schedule. Good call...
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, I'm not entirely sure where I disrespected Majors for anything...If you can pull something out of yous a$$ then let me know...
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well you feel compelled enough to criticize another UT legend, so where is your respect in calling one of the two best coaches in UT history "Foolmore"...History will look down on Fulmer and praise him for his astonishly great winning percentage, integrity, and commitment to his alma mater...the sad part is that you try so arduously to defame him on a daily basis. Tennessee fans deserve better.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--there you go again being a butt monkey. tennessee beat alabama in the 90's but........you always have a but after your comments. give it a rest and go to bed. maybe you will wake up in the morning and realize that chicken little did not know the sky was not falling. have a good week end.
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wait wait wait...I'm not entirely sure who makes the coaching decisions in college...Though I'm pretty sure that it is the AD...but please inform me if I'm wrong. I do not like the way that Majors went, but to think that Fulmer had something to do with it is a complete farce. He performed when majors was out with health issues and he did a fantastic job. I Thought Coach Majors did a great job when he was here but the program moved on, and it would seem that it was the right decision in the end. Don't forget that Fulmer helped build the facilities that UT has now. Without him there is no Neyland-Thompson sports complex and no north end zone, no renovations to Neyland, AND NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Reality is hard to face sometimes, I know.
Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--you are really my hero with all the inside information. and your closeness to past administrations. againg majors lost to bama but.......... fulmer beat bama but.........it is really tiring to hear you complain. since you will not go to bed, i think will.
Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sticking my beak in, thoughtfully I hope. Ones I would seriously consider as good fits at Tenn. Whether they would come or not is up to them, not us.
1. Jerry Moore -Appy St
2. Paul Johnson - GT
3. Clawson - OC-Tenn
4. Jimbo Fisher- Asst FSU
5. Larry Blakeney - Troy St
6. Gary Pinkel - Missouri
7. Butch Davis- NC
8. Jeff Jagodzinski -BC
9. Jim Grobe -Wake Forrest
Just a few who come to mind. There are others and as I said, some of these probably wouldn't or couldn't consider. But some on here think that Phil cannot be replaced. They have lifted him above the program. He is a part, he is not all there is of Tennessee. As long as not winning championships is our goal, many would be interested.
I am certain any of these men could make it 9 years without a ring. Might slip up and win one. Your thoughts?
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ole.... maybe he did, maybe he didn't. It is my understanding from inside sources that Majors pissed off Tom Elam with a refusal on a contract offer from Woodruff and blest by Elam. Honestly, that may not be true, but he did get out of control in the President's office. Fulmer might have had a hand in all of that, not sure. Whatever.. because that is all over and done now. You don't respect Fulmer and I don't respect Majors as a coach...he was a great player and representative of the university, no question about that. Both of us can spin info however we want to make our point. Truth is, Fulmer doesn't have much time left to meet Hamilton's expectations or the fans. I am not sold the recent staff additions can get us there. I sure hope so. At the end of the day stud, we root for the same team so in our own ways we are going to fight for the team.
Not out to offend you sir.
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, it's painful to see how much you hate the current staff, and it's evident more and more every day that you feel like we have been set back by the loss of Johnny Majors and the addition of Phil Fulmer...It's brought you to a level that you criticize your school in an effort to make the pre-Fulmer Vols look better. Face the present, we have computers, flat screens, and cars that talk to you...we no longer have Vanilla Ice, Datsuns, or Ronald Reagan in office...please appreciate your team of today
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ooooooh more insider information?!?!?!?! do tell!
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pd...Fisher could get it done IMO. Pinkel could get it done. Butch Davis for sure. I am not sold on Clawson yet. Time will tell on him.
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wish we had a Tom Osborne-type. That is true.
Fulmer was a GREAT Oline coach and that helped Majors-led teams to be able to eventually run the ball at will. IMO...Johnny knew what he wanted in a running back ( Webb, Cobb, Jones,Howard, etc.) and Fulmer knew what it took to find OLine and coach them up to NFL standards. On this we agree.
Posted by 55Vol on February 8, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
deal Ole. Let's go get those Tigers tomorrow....Go Vols
Posted by VOLS85 on February 8, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The excuse train rolls on...I'm going to sign off with noting that this article is about the future...not about the past. OLEtdtn can only live for what he felt was the glory days, and the rest of us cannot wait for the future. But I guess if one's convictions are strong enough, they can believe anything they want. I for one am proud of the way that fulmer has conducted himself with class, dignity, a winning spirit, and appreciation for his alma mater and mine. If you can't respect that, then you shouldn't be a vols fan.
Posted by orangebass on February 8, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
fulmer is excited about the future ??..maybe he can be eating donuts over in asheville somewhere getting fatter and UT can hire a good young HARD WORKING football coach.....
that would be exciting !
Posted by IPOrange on February 8, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just a thought - the question was brought up earlier as to why CPF hasn't been offered any other coaching jobs. Could that be because he has shown no interest in leaving TN? Coaches usually (though not always) have to send out resumes before other universities go after them. It is well known that Fulmer loves TN and hasn't expressed a desire to leave. Why would other schools try to hire a guy they know isn't interested?
Posted by IPOrange on February 8, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And that point about why other schools' fans come on here and ridicule CPF? Probably for the same reasons that we blast Saban, Meyer, etc.
Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OTDTN: Don't knock the Converse. Still have a pair of high-top Chuck Taylors!
Posted by getridoffoolmer on February 8, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.
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Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Butt Monkey?? Who coined that one?? Butt Monkey?? Really?? Is that the same as a dingleberry??
din·gle·ber·ry /ˈdɪŋgəlˌbɛri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ding-guhl-ber-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ries. Slang. a small clot of dung, as clinging to the hindquarters of an animal
I am sorry, but dear God somebody put that in a dictionary!! I can't stop laughing!!!
Posted by douglasawilliams on February 8, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm expecting Crompton to start at QB and look forward to a mobile quarterback again. As great as Manning was at UT they still couldn't manage to get over the hump against Florida, next year Tee Martin beats Florida by scrambling on 3rd and 20 to get us a shot at a field goal and luck would have it they miss their field goal. UT finished strong last year and finished with a solid performance in the Outback Bowl. Yes it is true they were 3 missed field goals from being 6-6 and did get blown out by their biggest rivals. I will take Coach Fulmer any day over Saban who has no loyalty to any organization. When he quit Michigan State to take the LSU job he said that MSU would always be second fiddle to the University of Michigan. Nice comment about the University who gave you your first Head Coaching job. Or comparing your embarrassing losses to the holocaust - how proud Alabama fans should be about that.
Posted by LargeOrange on February 8, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
getrid... you just blow in here today out of no where (Name: William Campbell Joined: Jan. 8, 2008) and start jumping all over Tennessee and OUR coach in particular. Go back under the rock you crawled from. BTW, I seriously doubt your claim to be military. You don't have the honor required to serve our country or the pride to be a Vol. Get lost loser.
Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 11:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Umm... actually I believe he compared it to 9-1-1!! Still an absolutely terrible choice of words.
Posted by brdteton on February 9, 2008 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GoVols!!! Time to start a fire..
Posted by cjraney on February 9, 2008 at 1:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ahem....this just in: Having better talent is how most college teams win championships. See recently: USC, Miami, LSU, Ohio St, Texas, FSU [less recently]. Glaring exception to the rule: Nebraska in the '90s. The second most important factor is execution, regardless of the type of scheme being run.
Winning b/c you have better talent is not embarrassing, its how college football works.
Posted by VOLS85 on February 9, 2008 at 2:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
getridoffoolmer...I have never seen you on this site before and therefore your validity is none. Learn some grammar and then come back and speak to real Vol fans who at least know how to develop a cognitave sentence. You make yourself and your point look incessantly ridiculous by your post. I really would hate how many "loses" we've had this year if it made any sense...try "losses" and maybe your legitimacy will count. Until then, don't speak!
Posted by FWBVol on February 9, 2008 at 2:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
getridof...That one national championship in nine years you are talking about is the only outright national championship UT has won in my life time and I'll be 50 in a few months.
People want to talk about what UT hasn't done in the last few years, but the fact is we've done as much or more under Phillip Fulmer than with any coach in UT football history with the exception of the General.
UT_Fan had a great post listing the winning percentages. That takes the 10-win debate out of the equation.
I neither like nor dislike Johnny Majors, but I don't know how good of a coach he really was. At Pitt he had Tony Dorsett and a pretty good offensive line. You don't have to be a football genius to know you hand the ball to Dorsett and win a few games.
By all logical assumptions, ANY coach starting at a school that has and has had UT's facilities, shouldn't need more than five years to get the program back into contention.
Majors didn't win his first SEC title until 1985, his ninth year, and as much as we all love that team, if Florida hadn't been on probation, or forced to forfeit a game, the Gators would have won it that year. Three years later UT started 0-6 and Ken Donahue was made Johnny's scapegoat.
Whatever the reason for Johnny had for suddenly showing up for work after UT got off to the hot start under interim head coach Phillip Fulmer, only Majors knows that. To those of us not in his close circle, it seems as if he was frightened for his job. I know, Johnny supporters will say the events that followed showed he had reason to be worried.
We will never know how many BCS bowls Johnny would have take us to because that wasn't in the equation back then.
Sorry for the long post. Some of the negative nags just get to me sometimes.
Be true to the Vols or go find someone else to gripe about, because you sure aren't pulling for them no matter how orange or vol some of your usernames are.
Posted by pdhuff on February 9, 2008 at 5:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach 'em up! There'd what we have. It is what it is.
Beat LSU, Brady or no Brady. Randolph or no Randolph.
TJ, lace up your Converse tight, my boy, tight, I say.
Posted by THE_VOL on February 9, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
HEY I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE TN FOOTBALL FUTURE TOO!!!! ESPECIALLY THE DAY THIS DUMBA$$ MORON MANY OF YOU CALL A COACH IS GONE GONE GONE!!!!
Posted by invisiblekid on February 9, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff, interesting list although I'd personally scratch Pinkel off of it. He put it together this year but he wrecked the bus the year before and was almost fired for it after a 6-0 start to finish 8-5. Coupled with some ugly, LA-Monroe style, non-conference losses and I don't think he'd be in my top 30.
On the other hand, I am really impressed with what Grobe has done. Winning a conference title and making the Orange Bowl at a private school with an enrollment of about 4000 is impressive any way you cut it.
Posted by invisiblekid on February 9, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Wait wait wait...I'm not entirely sure who makes the coaching decisions in college...Though I'm pretty sure that it is the AD...but please inform me if I'm wrong."
VOLS85, you're not entirely wrong but close. Read this article about Jim Haslam :
http://www.utk.edu/news/haslamgift.shtml
Posted by TommyJack on February 9, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
PD: Paul Johnson best on your list. Tho some may not like his offense, he wears you down and whips your fanny. Line play comes back to football. Plus your defense is not constantly on the field. He will gitterdun at GA Tech methinks.
Posted by jimr07 on February 9, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oletouchdown--i had decided that today i was going to let it rest but your posts really get me riled up. You talk about losing to Duke. Well, it was your hero< Majors, that was coach of that team. Not Fulmer. Majors also lost to an Army team, in Knoxville, in which we were a 27 point favorite. I think Johnny was absolutely the best all round college football player i have ever seen. I also think Johnny was one hell of a coach at one point. I do not know the behind the scenes that went on. But since you have brought it up, go back and look at the record, Johnny almost always lost at least one game each year that he should have won. Tennessee had superior talent....like Duke, Army. Again, the butt monkeys are out. Fulmer did this but...........Tennessee won, but........ I for one get tired of your rants against Fulmer.
Posted by pdhuff on February 9, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack 9:21 a.m. - Agree, Johnson would be my # 1, but some would not like his QBs handing off so much.
invisible kid- Pinkel did have a bad 2nd half in 2006 but don't forget we've had some stumbles under big boy. Many still think his efforts are best in show and better than sliced bread. I don't know, but what is his record since 2000?
Overall and SEC %. Curious.
Beautiful day in the fo