Posted by nivatne on February 13, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dang..this sux

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Double dang.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many have cried that Fulmer is not tough enough when it comes to punishment. Not sure what the cause was but this is about as tough a punishment as you can get.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate to hear this when things were settling down.

I guess I'm going to put Gen Fritter in charge of ride-alongs to keep this from happening again. He knows the KPD.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing is worng. Everything is fnie.

Posted by Pullingguard on February 13, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Davis was projected as possible starter this fall and you know vols cannot afford to lose many of those. Must have been something pretty severe for them to be dismissed... Evidently Vols do not have anyone assigned to counsel the players and to know what is going on with them... May be that we read more press about the Vol players getting into trouble but it seems we have more of this than the other SEC teams... Bad for the team, bad for recruiting and just bad publicity for the University.

Posted by pearlific on February 13, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why can't we use Florida's punishment rules? suspend them for the game before tennessee unless it gets moved because of a hurricane then suspend them when that game is played.

Posted by CrankE on February 13, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grammar check please. Do you mean Antonio Wardlaw?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never heard of these guys being in trouble before.What happened to the 5 strike rule?I guess nobody was showing up for the 5am Fulmer 10k marathons.Good for you coach.FREE TD

Posted by VOLS85 on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...CrankE...no, he means Antonio Wardlow. Wardlow would be the player that blocked the punt against Georgia that made SI, and he was the same guy that caught the interception in the bowl game against Wisconsin...

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport-
TDTN is already free and back among us.
Also, Davis got arrested last year in his home state [Kansas?]for fighting and was suspended I think. Don't recall anything on Wardlow though. Anyone know?

Pullingguard-
Seems like I read Trooper Taylor filled that role before his departure but don't know if new one appointed yet.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG. Does this hurt this year's recruiting class rankings?

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprosp...

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http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&am...

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Wisconsin had one last shot. The Badgers got to UT's 36-yard line with less than a minute left, but Donovan threw an ill-advised pass to the end zone. Wardlow timed his jumped perfectly for the pick.

"The ball was hanging up there for a while," Wardlow said. "A lot of things go through your mind while you are waiting on it. I just knew I had to go get it at its highest point and make the catch."
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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - Three Tennessee players were suspended Monday following their arrests for disorderly conduct and underage drinking at a nightclub after the Vols’ loss to LSU.

Starting tailback Arian Foster, safety Antonio Wardlow and fullback David Holbert, all 20 years old, were charged with disorderly conduct and underage consumption of alcohol. Wardlow also was charged with public intoxication.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tag lights burned out?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pullingguard maybe we can slide the new punter that is built like Lou Ferrigno in his place.

Posted by VOLS85 on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way...people constantly criticize fulmer for not doing enough and giving everyone "5 strikes", now that he has decided to kick some players off of the team, it's bad for the school and makes us look bad...Please do tell me what we should do? Ignore that these individuals are being selfish and continue to let them be that way?! The people on this site will never be happy with anything that is done, I guess that's why they feel compelled to bi*^* about it...

Posted by yeavols on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good..let everyone know we mean business..discipline means championships..the team players arn't running the show. Lastly, they better get busy, this year's recruiting didn't help matters.

Posted by ps4610 on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pullingguard I guess your kids if you have them had several counselors just watching their every move. Lets not forget these are college kids who come on a a almost free ride and whose only real expectation is to go to class and practice. They like most 19 and 20 yr olds want to have a good time in college and everything that implies just like most of you on here. I'm sure none of you ever partied or did anything that was wrong when you were in school. Go ahead and throw the first stone. As for me I hope this is an eye opener for these two kids and that they turn their lives around and realize they are on the verge of adults and being men not little boys whose parents cover for them every step of the way although CPF tries!

Posted by mdvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LMAO TommyJack. Got to check those.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer did what he had to do. I am so glad we have him as a leader of our young men.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great idea Kingsport. Do you really think it will work?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like someone is proactively looking for problems rather than waiting on them... So much for CPF not demanding discipline, right?

Nah, I guess it would be too much to expect consistency from his detractors.

Tough hit on these two guys. Both could have been contributors. Both were given an incredible opportunity by UT. How exactly do you get to be Jrs and do things that stupid?

As sad as it is, I hope it will help root out other problems and prevent still others.

Where's volunteer_cowboy? I guess this opens up two scholarships that might be used for those unsigned prospects he keeps listing.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I practice teetotalism myself.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: Opens up scholarships?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General_Fritter if he can turn green I think we can pull it off.On 3 ready break

Posted by invisiblekid on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Think I'll reserve comment to see the reasons behind this, if they are given. Likely to be one of two things, academics or drug tests, otherwise it would have been on the police blotter and splattered all over GoVols.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack - Half the cars in Knoxville have a burned out signal light. Many have one or both headlights on the blink.

Posted by jh43 on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Play by the rules or go home. We have enough problems and potential does not solve any of them. Our recruiting should utilize background checks instead of just game film. I do not believe these guys go bad after they get to Knoxville. They must be punks before they get here. We need to know that before we waste scholarships.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like a failed drug test to me ,since no police were involved.All I can say to these men is, take the road less traveled like DM did.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: Exactly. Lock'em up.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff - Yes, I am familiar with the KPD's mode of operation as I once stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fritter Time!

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, Hampton is going to have a hell of a team if they can snag a couple more of our fall-outs.

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Salute

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes TJ, opens up scholarships.

volunteer_cowboy has been posting names of unsigned DT and OL recruits. One was a big Massie kid from Va that plays OL. He listed 4 or 5 DL's still unsigned that were supposedly 3 or 4 star prospects.

Davis and Wardlow were both scholarship players that are no longer possessors of a scholarship.

At the risk of sounding cold hearted, they did this to themselves but there is no reason that the team shouldn't turn it into as much of a positive as they can... specifically by going after DT's or OL's that can help them soon.

Don't know if you knew but NSD just starts the period for signing. A player can be signed until sometime in April.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's go pirates.Whooo!

Posted by BigManVolFan on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK?????? Lets see here?

Wardlow and Davis are kicked off the team for " a violation team rules "

Walk-on Vince Faison is arrested for a DUI and receives a 2 game suspension.

Vareen is arrested for "Public" Intoxication. He receives community service and police ride alongs?

Paige, Brimfield, and G. Jones are hosting a highly recruited recruit and Jones and Paige get a citation for simple possession of a controlled substance(marijuana). All three receive community service, more frequent drug tests, and police ride alongs?

Our team captain, all-sec and all-american Anthony Parker got arrested for disorderly conduct and had other run ins with the police that resulted in tickets and warnings. He receives morning runs, a curfew, and police ride alongs?

My point here is that if whatever Wardlow and Davis did were a "violation of team rules", where does what these other kids here did, fall under? Are they not team rules?

Looks to me that Fulmer Jones's his way with punishment. I though the motto whn it comes to punishment and being a head coach is firm, fair, and consistent?

Posted by coach75 on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

something has to be done, we have way to many people getting into trouble. and it seems that there is a double standard depending on playing ability or potential. why did we have to wait so long to get to the point that he kicks another person out like (coke)coker. i really like phil but i feel that if something is not done then changes need to be made.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys please tell me something... Do police in Knoxville fight any actual crime? I love UT, but everytime I'm there it seems like I get hassled for something dumb. Hell, I'm a white guy in Law School. Twice police officers have walked over to me and asked me what was in my cup. (two plastic cups, one UT one Tennessee Titans)Both cups contained beer and no kidding, both times I had just poured my first beer. I am of legal age. Both times they told me to dump the beer onto the ground or face jail. Seriously, I know there is no legal grounds for their idiotic outlandish threats but those idiot cops will arrest you anyway and even when you win in court, you're out 1500 bucks plus court costs. Seriously, they cost Knoxville more $$$ than anyone cares to admit. Bottom line... When I hear of athletes having run ins with the police, I give the kids the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the Knoxville police have bets as to how many UT football players they can arrest and/or hand out citations to. You think I'm full of it... Check out why Steve McNair got out of his first DUI. The cop had said to another one "I'm gonna get me a Titan". The second time he was pulled over and was charged with a DUI was an incident in which he wasn't even driving. The Nashville police used the ole' "you gave the drunk guy permission to drive your car". I believe that one gets thrown out of court more times than not.
By the way, in no way was any of the above post legal advice. Just my opinion. (There you have my disclaimer)

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they were dismissed for drugs, they aren't coming back. It doesn't seem likely that they'd be dismissed for grades a month into the new term and two months after the last grade report.

Wasn't Fellows offense rumored to be something more significant that was caught by the staff rather than the Police?

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigManVolFan, I assure you they are multiple offenders of something.This sounds to me like a Lamarcus Coker type strike deal.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To add to my soap box, my alcohol was in a cup and at least 20,000 people were walking around me with blatant beer bottles and cans. That is what was so upsetting. When I pointed this out to the nice but tremedously ill-logical officer he explained I should worry about myself and not other folks.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These two men broke a team rule bad enough to be dismissed. Anyone who can not see the value of being a Vol and obeying the rules would not be an assit that we need.
Potential is is a belief, production can be taken to the bank.
Fulmer took a step I am sure he wishes he did not have to. No one wants to see young men trow away a great opportunity but these two have done just that.
Choices and consequences. They made their choices and now must face the consequences for their actions.
This isn't Fulmers fault, they all know the rules and they understand the punishment involved.

Posted by gobigorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i agree with jh43 ; these kids are propably troublemakers before they come here. i think they should consider more background checks.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: Not sure kicking someone off the team frees up a scholarship? You sure about that?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigMan, since they don't publicize every failed drug test, these guys could have been on their last chance without us knowing it. Both have had at least one public incident each.

Their offense could have also been more significant like having a dealer's quantity of drugs, academic cheating, steroids, etc.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Police profile people all of the time, which is stupid and illegal in my opinion however it seems Knoxville police harass anyone.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. TJ. I'm pretty sure that their scholarship is revoked immediately and that there would be no reason not to award it to another player.

Posted by BigManVolFan on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Both Wardlow and Davis both had trouble before, but when they are kicked off the team for rule violations, wouldnt that constitute what the other kids did as team rule violations?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW the other player wouldn't use the scholarship until the next term anyway.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

5:14-Tngeoff is right - everthing is fine. Mix up a 5 gallon pail of kool-aid and watch "Dune". The spice will solve everything.

Beat Arkie & LSU.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 at 5:59 p.m. ,That may be the case.It could have been something that could have brought the NCAA down on us.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigMan, there is a process and procedure for dealing with these things.

When they say CPF kicked them off the team, they are giving him maybe a little too much credit. He has a policy he has to follow just like every other coach... and I would suspect that after his 2005 problems that he has a little less latitude than most.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

King Leonidas: In the end, a Spartan's true strength lies in the warrior next to him. So give respect and honor to him, and it will be returned to you. First, you fight with your head...

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was my reaction right from the top savage.

For those who seem to think favorites are being played here...

Wardlow would have been in the two deep at safety and had a good shot at being the nickel back. Davis would have competed for Karl's spot but more than likely would have played behind McKenzie. UT had invested significant time in developing both of those guys over the past 3 years.

Any guy projected in your two deep is someone you don't want to lose. You don't want to lose anyone like this.

Posted by Hunter on February 13, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Fulmer has been busy handing out disciplinary since January."

Where can I get "disciplinary?" Do they sell it in Wal-Mart?

I've heard of "disciplinary action," but KNS apparently can't find mistakes that a band director can catch. John Adams is earning his paycheck like the punter for the Patriots this year.....

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd, everything is NOT fine... but it IS more fine than it was before these guys got the boot. The rules have been enforced... that is what discipline requires.

If the rules themselves stopped anyone from doing anything then there would be no prisons. If a mother can't supervise one child inside a small house without punishing them... how is it reasonable to expect UT's staff to never punish players who they cannot supervise and control every minute of the day?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff: You stole my thought. :)

I'm sure with the firepower on this site, someone can answer the question(s)..If you get booted, do you lose your scholarship, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, does it free up the scholarship?
I'll be waiting..

Posted by utchris2003 on February 13, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Violation of unspecified team rules usually will usually mean that they failed too many drug tests. To get to this point they probably fail at least 3, but more likely 4 or 5

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 - you are on top of it as usual. Thank you Sir.

Posted by General_Watermelon on February 13, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I certainly hope that these young men can find there way. Oh well, it opens the door for another set of young men to step up.

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crap. Looks like I may have to suit up to fill the void. I run (walk) a 44 40 (no decimal intended) and can bench press the bar, but at least I'll stay out of trouble. How about it, Coach?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: I, for one, applaude your positive posts and overall camraderie with your Vol brethren. Quite admirable.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/st...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/st...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/st...

These are 3 stories from other universities who have had to kick players off the team in the past couple of month. One involves PSO and Joe Pa.
This is much bigger than UT and Fulmer. It is happening all over the country and NO ONE is imune from this happening.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PSU

Posted by pms151 on February 13, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just another argument about the perils of having to recruit on a national level. We get the thugs the hometown teams pass over.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General, this puts a serious dent in your 2008 national championship prediction. pms151 ,Wardlow was offered by Va Tech,N Carolina, NC State,and S Carolina.Davis was offered by Iowa,Iowa State,and K state.These players chose us , so that statement makes no sense.

Posted by dave1 on February 13, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have inside info that they were caught violating team fritter rules. Obviously hoarding them for thier own self indulgence.

Posted by daddyaxe on February 13, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am behind Fulmer's decision....Let the next great VOL step in their spots...NO MORE THUGS

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dave1 ,In that case they got what they deserved.Although I need to go to fritter rehab myself.5005!

Posted by Gustoly on February 13, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is about time he does his job. Kick'em all off if they can't behave. He will get some attention from the kids.

Posted by GerryOP on February 13, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Four words come to mind - David Cutcliffe Trooper Taylor! Couldn't keep Cutcliffe, could have kept Troop. Right the ship, stay the course, done it this way for 15 years, all is well.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gen Fritter, I agree it is impressive the developement of young men under Phil's watch. He rules with an iron fist.

Is there any chance while leading them into battle (ala Pickett's charge) he would look around and only see Cooter and Dupree left behind him?

Beat Arkie.

Posted by TurboFan on February 13, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beazn, when I was there 20 plus years ago there was an open container law. In fact I remember a story of a guy standing on the sidewalk outside his own house talking on the phone (cordless, cell phones weren't prominent then) and getting arrested.

Posted by capstone4117 on February 13, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thug U

Posted by jcvet on February 13, 2008 at 7:41 p.m.

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Posted by Vols1998 on February 13, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't be over their shoulders 24/7, bad decisions lead to this.....its not CPF fault, its these young men that made the decision.

Posted by rckymtngator on February 13, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This constant string of arrests and legal issues is having a negative impact on your recruiting. I live in Colorado, and this latest incident was reported here. Opposing SEC schools are making sure that parents of recruits know about these issues. All schools have legal issues, it just seems that UT has more of them. Regardless of who is at fault, the Head Coach and AD has to step in put an end to this.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov ,Rogers runs a 4.4 40.Miami, and FSU?????Have you seen their record lately?Well I'll let you look it up.To be a great personal attacker like TDTN, you atleast must have your facts close to correct.Good luck.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov ,Rogers runs a 4.4 40.Miami, and FSU?????Have you seen their record lately?Well I'll let you look it up.To be a great personal attacker like TDTN, you atleast must have your facts close to correct.Good luck.

Posted by GreerVol22 on February 13, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer needs some new boots! His old ones are planted firmly somewhere on the backside of these young men.

General, I stand corrected. Deep down we knew this was coming...it just took a while.

Posted by VOLnATL on February 13, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like we are the new Miami!

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov has some sort of irrational bias against Rogers.

I posted a response on another thread to his ridiculous ideas about the guy. Rogers had the 3rd best reception total last year out of the last 4 years and did it on a team with one of the top two (Taylor). He had the 4th highest yardage total for a year in the last 4 years. Better than Swain or Smith ever did... and better than Meachem for 2 out of 3 years.

Who doesn't want a tough WR that blocks well and catches over the middle? Trooper called him a "deep threat" in August before Ainge's injury...

In spite of 56 catches and 624 yards in his first full, healthy year... nafslov has decided he isn't any good.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep on eatin' till you get enuf. The spin machines must have good bearings.

Sadly, some of this circus of behavior will turn attention to the ringmaster. Even teflon wears out. At $38,000.00+ a week, some modicum of responsibility, albeit small, must be placed at the feet of the one in charge. Yes, it happens at other schools, but that doen't make it any more swallerable.

What a year for Phillip. Win a bowl game. OC and best recruiter leave and the troops act up with alarming regularity. Sad.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have my adult beverage , and my fritters.Time for b-ball.Nice dunk!

Posted by UTVol39 on February 13, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All we have to do is bring back the charts. That and that alone will turn this program in the right direction.

Ride the Wave!!!
Free TDTN!!!

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Correcto mundo, wise one.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd and TJ-
In all seriousness, what do you guys think would eliminate these problems? I don't really have any great ideas on the discipline front. What do y'all think we should be doing differently to prevent this stuff?

Posted by utwick on February 13, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just hope that the team can channel some of its "energy and aggression to good use on the paying field.

Posted by waterskier3 on February 13, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

at this rate those 2 and 3 star freshman will be playing next year with the walk on punter :):)

the last time we had this many issue in the offseason we went 5-6....... with that happen again??? i don't think so but 4 losses for sure

Posted by philfan on February 13, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff,

Fulmer kicked the two players off the team. In addition, the two men may have difficulty finding jobs when employers find out they have criminal records. Also, they may never get a college education because of their records. What did you want Fulmer to do,crucify them? I think you are jealous of the 38,000 dollars Fulmer makes per week. Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it. As far as these two characters are concerned, good riddance! Fulmer and the new coaches everyone wanted will find two more who really want to play Tennessee football and want a good education.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These guys should write a letter to apologize and then the Vol faithful will want him back I bet.

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pleasegetridofthenotsosmartonefromalabama

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

I am becoming concerned about the sniper situation. No matter what, do not forget about your Dad Jorel and the strength that you have available (and your real name - Kalel). I remind you through this video of your truth and ask you to turn from the ending that Tennessee football has driven you to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lMs6ve5mFRU

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- I am actually from Knoxville and am a Tennessee Basketball fan and a future UT football fan. I will let you guess when.

Posted by st98 on February 13, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These guys are not starters, but they are key contributors on special teams and could have provided depth. Depth is what always seperates good teams from great teams. With a recruiting class that was not great and short in the number signed, we may not struggle this year but will feel the effects of all this in 2 years. At this rate we may not have a depth chart at certain positions come football time. Do the pictures of these 2 resemble each other?

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEGETRIDOFTHEFAIRWEATHERFAN - That is right, I remember now, you are the one with the man crush on Boise St's Peterson. Tell me who were you a fan of before CBP? Kentucky or Florida in basketball, USC in football, Texas in baseball? You either love the Vols or you don't, it is obvious you don't, you can hate Fulmer, but you admitted you aren't even a Vol fan (right now). Stay away, the Vols don't need you as a fan just when it is convenient for you.

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting video, tngeoff. Is it just me, or does it appear that the building leaper has obtained a bottomless bottle? That would be a priceless item for sure.

Posted by jimr07 on February 13, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach75--i have, for the most part, been in Fulmer's corner, but now............

rckymtngator--just got back from Denver. was up there in the most beautiful country you can imagine.

KEEP TDTN OFF

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pleasegetridof - actually you are from Morristown! At least claim that!! By the way, I did see Chrisman! Here's something that'll make you smile! AAAAAAAYE THARRRR BIGGGUN!!! Remember that??

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimr: You naysaying, doom&gloomer, loser/hater!!

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Tommy, have you been to Fort Worth in a while? If so, is Risky's brisket still there in the stockyards??

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just like you too LargeOrange. I looked forward to every weekeend in the fall and would plan my weekends around UT games. I slowly began to realize that it was a waste of my time. Fans spend so much money to go to a game much less have season tickets. The University is throwing money into the football program. They and myself are not gettting the return out of the investment and I have been ready for a change for quite some time. And yes, I do have a man crush on Peterson. Check out what he has to work with and see what he does. Yes, I was a b-ball fan before CBP. However, it was for not because the last two coaches we had were a nice Christian guy who couldn't coach and another guy who rivaled Bozo the Clown. CBP talks the game and brings it. CPF doesn't talk at all and when he does, it is comical to everyone outside the state of Tennessee. Don't give me this "Your either a Vols fan or your not" crap. Do you go to a restraunt that serves bad food? Why should I support a program that produces a bad product when it has the best ingrediants? You call it fairweathered, I call it I'm not wasting my time supporting garbage.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is really bad, yes fulmer let them go and probably had a real good reason BUT remember the graduation rate rule! if a player is signed to a scholarship, automaticly the player has to graduate to keep the team percentage up or we lose ships the next year

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman: No, don't get up there much. Once pounded a few in Billy Bobs. Live close to S.A.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- You're right, I should admit the Mo-town connection. Chrisman might even rival Fulmer as the worst coach with talent that I have seen. That team he had your freshman and sophomore year didn't even make it out of the region! Little Man, Lamont, Chuck P, ......there was soooo much talent. What a joke.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There ya go Fulmer!
Let's take the trash out!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OL still unsigned: bobby massie, scott mcnichols, teavis durgin, james francis, ryan benzik and joe semple and on the DL: teddy dargin, dion foster, john michael bryant, kyle thomas, malcom jefferies, chris enos, herman marshall, aterio arnold, jonathon browning(lb) so could we not sign none of these kids? they had intrest in UT look at scout and rival and they havent signed with anybody, and we lost JT floyd to michagan so why not reuben johnson to replace he is rated the same hight and he is faster

Posted by b_schlechter200 on February 13, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should not only be kicked off the team, but should be expelled from UT. You can't trust athletes to be positive role models for our children anymore.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
You're so right, what have I been thinking? Who wants to go to a restaurant that serves up a 10 win season and a berth in the conference title game? You should refuse to pay and never come back. See yaaa!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we have 3 extra ships to give out no wait 4. huges davis wardlaw and walls. if lucas taylor doesnt pick up his grades there will be 5

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd and TJ-
In all seriousness, what do you guys think would eliminate these problems? I don't really have any great ideas on the discipline front. What do y'all think we should be doing differently to prevent this stuff?

pd? TJ? Any ideas?

Posted by Ironcity on February 13, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pleasegetrid, what does it take to satisfy you? I know 10-3 is garbage. I just want to know what would be satisfactory for you. Then tell me what it would take to actually make you happy. Then tell me how many teams at this moment you could actually support? Once you have done that, I will let everyone else pick your arguemment apart.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cjraney- Are they a top 10 team? Have they been in 6 years? Have they had top 10 recruiting classes? Please research the following and see who is not getting the return out of their investment. Find me 1 other program with these types of players over the past 6 years who has not finished in the top 10. I will be waiting for some time.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

take their ships away for a year and make them get a job and pay their on way, they will be to busy and to tired to find trouble

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironcity- A top 10 team at the end of the year would satisfy me. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for some time now.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The word on Taylor was that he took the wrong classes, not that he had bad grades.

Walls isn't out yet nor is Hughes.

In case no one posted it, the rumor is that at least Davis was booted for a failed drug test.

don't know about Wardlow.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cowboy, Apparently someone IS doing what needs to be done.... tighten the clamps until the message gets across.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys... Don't feed the troll.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The 6-foot-4, 230-pound linebacker's name appeared on Northwest (Miss.) Community College's list of 2008 signees. Walls signed his letter of intent with the Vols last Wednesday.

UT officials are still hopeful Walls will be academically eligible to enroll this summer.

If not, Walls will enroll at Northwest or Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va.

His eventual destination will depend on his academic standing, with the worst-case scenario being Northwest.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ - riverwalk is the bomb!!

Pleasegetridof - I remember the Dobbins Bennett game where Little Man took it to the house as time ran down. Knocked them out of the playoffs. The next game we played was agains T. Helton and his Knox Central Bobcats we got hammered!! You forgot to mention Boo Collins (lost his full ride to Clemson blowing his knee out at Campbell Co. Tim Curry who went to MTSU with Boo. If L could have stayed out of Brushy Mountain he would have been great somewhere!! Had his Jersey retired at Lincoln heights. Good Memories, but I hated Calisthenics!!

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASESTOPWASTINGALLOFOURTIME - Good analogy about the restaurant, why would you spend nearly everyday of your life sitting outside of the restaurant complaining about the food? THAT would be a huge waste of your time, which is what you do on this board. Find yourself a restaurant (team) that has food (a program) that you like and give the rest of us a break from your constant bitching and moaning.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

taylor didnt have the grades to play in bowl game and that doesnt equal up to wrong classes it equals up to GPA not high enough

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you realize that this team has averaged more than 4 losses a year over the past 6 years? FOUR!!! If you are content with this for what the university puts into the program than you need a reality check.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and there was also another that didnt play in bowl because of grades. it was either adam myres-white or rico mccoy

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy - that was Mccoy!!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so they could possibly have 6 ships

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- Just as you are passionate about your love for Fulmer and the Vols, I am passionate about my dislike for him. I have that right and will continue to be on this board until a change is made. Hopefully not after another 5-6 year.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
Without even thinking about it I can tell you FSU is underachieving far worse than UT over your arbitrary time period.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dont say it wont or couldnt happen because as a matter of fact let me introduce you to #20 MORLEY

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- I remeber that Central game. Trivia time- Do you remember the name of that little running back that ran all over us?

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18-
Sometimes it's fun to poke the troll.

Wonder how many stars JuJuan Smith had when he walked on at UT? Go Vols!

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pleasegetridof - I guess we'll see you here for a pretty long time huh? LOL Fulmer isn't going anywhere and you know that!! That is unless he decides to leave on his own!

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think sjt is right about Taylor - his GPA wasn't the problem, it was that he hadn't taken enough classes in his major, or something like that. That's not a problem with failure; it could very well be an academic advisor issue.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fla st wont have ships if they dont get the 37 or so guys back and graduate a bunch of them. their grad rate will be so LOWWWWWWW

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kippy Bayless, couldn't tackle him to save our lives. The hardest back to tackle however was S. Summers from Oak Ridge!! He ended up at UT with Little Man, but returning punts!! I think Bayless ended up at Austin Peay though not sure!!

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy-
Bolden was the 3d missing for the bowl game.

But sjt18 is correct on Lucas Taylor. The problem wasn't his overall GPA it was not the right classes towards his major or the right core subjects or something. Regardless, all 3 are expected back in the fall.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IPOrange.

Yup...it was a bit strange indeed. I have tipped a shot or two back in the day and don't ever remember the bottle lasting that long!

Anybody: Did posivol dismiss Davis and Wardlow too? This obviously happened yesterday and that was when posivol was dismissing everybody.

By the way...I'm sure it had nothing to do with Coach Chavis going to talk to the Falcons...but the timing is a bit odd. Two defensive players dismissed and a thin orange line on that side of the ball. I'm thinkin' we revolutionize defensive thinking. Six best linebackers. All moving before the ball is snapped to disrupt blocking assignments. Five best defensive backs swarming like fire ants. Attack...attack...attack!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

night all check post at 10:18!!! we have ships to give away

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember when Johnny Majors walked into the office and said hello to me. He came to school that day and offered Little Man a Scholarship! I was on cloud 9!!

Posted by dvols on February 13, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

george bush's fault

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dvols - leave that stuff out, there are too many people on here that love to jump all over that subject!! This is Tennessee sports.... focus!!

Posted by UT_Fan on February 13, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NOTSOSLIMEONE
I do know a team with argueable the best sophomore to ever play the game and they finished 3rd in the SEC east and the were ranked 13 and 15.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dfreeman-
Agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

UT_Fan- I also know a team that returned only one starter from a national championship defense that also finished 13 and 15. That is amazing!

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- You are correct. Are you forgetting Mudturtle from Greenville though? Or who was that cat from Cocke County?

Posted by agentorange on February 13, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FULMER ALWAYS KICKED OFF THE IDIOTS. YOU COULD MAKE AN NFL TEAM WITH THE GUYS WE BOOTED. PLEASE DROP DEAD IF YOU'RE A CHICKEN LITTLE. WE DON'T NEED YOU. THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. WASN'T NEWS UNTIL $20K A YEAR DORKS NEEDED TO REPORT ON 18 YR KIDS BEING KIDS TO MAKE A LIVING. FEEL SORRY FOR THEM ALL AND B. SPEARS TOO. SAME TYPE OF COVERAGE AND ITS DISGUSTING. THE KNS IS ABOUT TO MAKE ME PAY FOR AN OUTING ON THE TARDS WHO REPORT FOR IT. ACCORDING TO THE STANDRDS NOW, EVERY REPORTER IS A PUBLIC FIGURE SO ANYTHING ON THEM IS FAIR GAME. IT COSTS LESS THAN $50 FOR AN AUTOTRACK.

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEWHATEVER - I, unlike you (Peterson) don't love any other men including Coach Fulmer, I do love the VOLS and Tennessee, that means all of Tennessee every sport and every team, not just the ones that are peaking at the time. You may want to leave Knoxville every now and then and get some perspective, I grew up in East Tn. but I have lived in Georgia for 20+ years and you had better believe that the VOLS are not considered a joke down here or anywhere else when I travel around the country. If 10 wins and a #12 poll finish is not worth your time, you may want to get yourself a reality check. The way I look at it, the good Lord is only going to allow me time to see a finite number of Tennessee games before I am done on this earth, and I am not going to waste any of them out of hatred for one man. I admit it, I could not stand Randy Sanders, and I wasn't too crazy about Johnny the last few years (sorry General_F err I mean TDTN), but I still wrote that check for my season tickets every March 1st, and headed north on I-75 every Saturday, and have for 25 years and I hope I am able to do it for 50 more. It is your right to bitch all you want, and hold your breath till you turn blue, but you are not going to get CPF fired, he will leave when he is good and ready and not before, so what is the real waste of your time?

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Birdie Dockery I think was the back for Newport! I remember Science Hill had a guy that ran a sub 4.3 in the 40! Had him as a wideout! Name was Toby Patton I think! Man I think half of the guys I played with ended up in Brushy MTN though!! My mom used to tell me we'd have our reunion in pin stripes! LOL

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agentorange-
Hilarious.

LargeOrange-
Amen. Go Vols!

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- Real sweet story. Do you support the men's soccer team at Tennessee also? And if you think that another 5-6 season won't get him fired, than you are crazy. And if they didn't fire him after that, then the administartion is crazy. I like what you say about only having a limited amount of time left on earth. That is my exact point......Why wait for a change? Do it now! The youth of today have spoken and do not want to play for UT under Fulmer.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's sad Dustin is that I would give anything to go back to those days.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I miss alot about those days!! Life only moves forward though doesn't it? However that's better than the alternative! LOL

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEGETAREALLIFEINTHEPRESENTNOT THEPAST - I actually think soccer is pretty boring, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if I was channel surfing and happened upon the VOL Soccer team, I would set down the remote and watch the rest of the game. It is either in your blood or it is not. Troll poking is over for tonight, you can go back to your fond memories of HS when all was right with the world and the VOLS won every game. But before I go, tell me who was the coach that was in charge when you got all of these fond memories of top 10 finishes every year?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cjraney: Don't have the answer. My guess is that the President of UT will jump down Mikey's throat, who will in turn jump down CPF's throat. Getting out of hand.
Phil needs to identify team leader(s) and put pressure on them to pressure the goons. Need 2 strike policy. 4-5 chances is not realistic.
Just my take.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- For your info, soccer is the most popular sport in the world and UT does not have a men's team so good luck supporting them. As for your question, Fulmore was. However, his time has passed. As has Piterno's, Bowden's, and thankfully Carr's. New, young, and energenic blood is needed at the top. Good night and sweet dreams. Hopefully dreams of overachievement and less off the field incidents.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ - I agree with that 100%!! I am getting frustrated reading this BS every week!! I don't care how good they are, start showing them the door! There is always someone there that will follow rules!!

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dustin: I know. Discipline is a 2 edged sword. You can discipline your self right out of business. Somehow, respect has to be instilled. Don't know if it's CPF or what, but someone is failing, and the buck stops with him. 2 stikes and you're toast.

Posted by rootin4volz on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Selfish dumbasses

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ-
I also believe in putting pressure on the players to take care of their own. I also think that some of the sunrise running ideas floated awhile back would at least get their attention. But not just one morning, at least a week or two for each incident.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
There actually is a UT men's soccer team but I believe it's classified as a "club team" meaning they don't get the funding. I think there is an NCAA cap on the total # of officially sanctioned athletic teams the university can maintain. Someone else may know more on that.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CJ: Agree. Some seniors need to step up.

Posted by utchris2003 on February 14, 2008 at 1:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is not a cap on # of teams. Soccer has been a sport that the UTAD has been looking to add for at least 7 or years now. There are several factors that are holding it back. First, there is a lack of other teams within the SEC that have Men's soccer. The next issue would be that you would have to add at least one more Women's sport to balance out requirements of Title IX. The Women's sport would probably be Lacrosse due to its growing popularity and the fact that other SEC teams are adding it to their programs over the next few years.

Posted by anthony on February 14, 2008 at 2:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it's the seriousness of the charges.. while underground knoxville deals drugs and lord knows what else, the police department takes the heat off of itself and it effectiveness by making headlines involving high profile athletes, and writers at local newspapers scurry around acting important in cohoots with local authorities. Why not call in John McCain and let's investigate some more high profile individuals while the world enters the united states through the southern border of Arizona!!! Nothing like freedom of the press, is there MEN!!

Posted by brdteton on February 14, 2008 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go out on a date with each other and get it over with......

Posted by Madkels on February 14, 2008 at 4:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How does Coach Pearl keep his guys out of this mess? I guess it's easier managing fewer people or is it more respect for the coaches?

Posted by dfreeman on February 14, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brdteton - who are you talking to?

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i think one of the worst things that happened in college sports was the elimination of the athletic dorm. when we had athletic dorms they were all in one place. wish we oould go back to that.

Posted by Greyback_Vol on February 14, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does Fulmer and his staff have to do to keep these guys in line? This last month or so has just been one episode after another. I give credit to Fulmer for cracking down and sending a message to the team several weeks ago, but at some point these young "men" have to learn personal responsibility. It's amazing that these players continue to act like this despite the warnings and punishments handed down.

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it is also amazing that they do not realize what a great opportunity they are throwing away. too bad.

Posted by THE_VOL on February 14, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? DID UT HAVE A COACHING CHANGE?????

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy said:

"taylor didnt have the grades to play in bowl game and that doesnt equal up to wrong classes it equals up to GPA not high enough"

Do you have direct knowledge or a source?

The person who reported that it was a failure to take the right classes has been a very reliable source.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 14, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So Lucas Taylor takes the "wrong" class and messes up his grades and then he gets a pass...
An then we say our program is clean? NCAA come on in we have sh*t everywhere, let's clean the house!!!
C'mon people! I was at UT 2 years ago and if I ever walked into any college's advising office and said hey I'm on probation because I took the wrong class, they would laugh at me and tell me to go get a tutor and study! Would any of us during our UT days get a pass just because we signed up for the wrong class? Are you guys freakin' kidding me?
Even if you take the wrong class towards your degree that still counts towards your GPA and towards your your total credit hours for the semester. Makes me wonder what kind of criteria they have for football players...

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07.

Yes. That was the worst thing. The second worst thing? Herscel Walkers successful sell out after formation of USFL. There he saw an opportunity to do something then forbidden by NFL rules, namely, to turn professional after the end of his junior season rather than wait for his collegiate class to graduate. This act opened the floodgates to disloyalty and self absorbed players whose primary goal is personal success and not team success. Like I've said before, if someone ever got the cahones to take a stand and force recruits to stay four years or repay their scholarship and be immediately removed from the team if they file for pro draft status, we would see a tremendous reshift back to much stronger long term teams. Yes. In the short run some top players would opt to go elsewhere. So, foes that mean we would have a weaker recruiting class than this year? You do the math. Enough of these two year and out players who use the University to serve themselves. If ONE school would start and not waver more would follow and eventually the NCAA would move to make it rule of law AGAIN. It just needs stronger contractual language. The language was how Walker beat the system and opened the flood gates and did serious damage to college football. Today many younger folks think it's always been like it is now with players leaving early. No. It was not.

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on February 14, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a lot about leadership and demanding respect from the players. It is more then CPF it is also, probably more so, for the position coaches who have a more direct contact/relationship with the players than the HC. It is also about leadership from within the players as well. When we experienced the rash of issues around 2004/2005, Randy Sanders was a big part of the problem as he was not an effective leader and apparently did not have the respect of the players. Things calmed down with Cut and his crew in charge. Issues spiked again during the time that Cut and staff left and the new staff was coming on and getting established whic