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After a few sleepless nights, Tennessee’s laid-back tailback finally made a decision about his future with the Vols.
But at a Tuesday press conference in the Neyland-Thompson Sports Center, junior Arian Foster announced he would return to Tennessee — but not without a subtle bit of his trademark humor.
“With all said and done, I’ve decided to forgo,” Foster said with a slight pause, “my opportunity to play in the NFL and stay for my senior season.”
Foster, who this season became the 13th player in UT history to rush for more than 1,000 yards in a season, received a second-round grade from the NFL’s college advisory committee.
That projection gave Foster plenty to think about, he said, but ultimately a chance to play behind five returning starters on the offensive line and a goal of winning a championship helped tip the scales in favor of another year in Knoxville.
“The most important thing to me is I came to Tennessee to win,” Foster said. “I truly want to win the national championship. If I didn’t think the team coming back wasn’t qualified to do that, I probably wouldn’t be coming back, but I think we can.”
Another factor for Foster is the potential to set UT’s career rushing-yardage record.
After gaining 1,193 yards and scoring 12 touchdowns this season, the San Diego native is seventh on UT’s all-time list.
He trails Travis Henry, UT’s all-time leading rusher and the only player to top 3,000 career rushing yards, by just 684 yards.
“That had a little bit to do with it also,” Foster said. “There’s been so many great running backs who have come through this place — Jamal Lewis, Travis Stephens, Travis Henry, I could go on and on. To just have the opportunity to lead that pack, that’s special.”
Stan Drayton, hired last week as UT’s running backs coach after three seasons at Florida, also played a role in Foster’s decision to return for his final season, as did newly hired offensive coordinator Dave Clawson.
Foster said he spoke with both before reaching his final decision Monday, one day before the NFL’s deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft.
“I told him what his strengths were, and I told him what his weaknesses were,” Drayton said. “I’ve been watching film on him, did some studying on him. I just told him what I thought.”
That included a frank discussion of the things Foster could do to improve himself — and possibly his draft status — in addition to helping the Vols win.
“I told him there were some things from a fundamentals standpoint, from a playing standpoint that I thought that he needed to be concentrating on studying defenses, be able to get himself in a situation as a running back to be able to anticipate situations a little bit more,” Drayton said. “There were times when I thought he looked hesitant on the football field last year. I thought those were things that were correctable things, that within a year not only will they improve his play but could potentially improve his draft status.”
That struck a chord with Foster, who wanted to see who the Vols brought in as running backs coach and coordinator before making his decision.
“I like that about him,” Foster said of Drayton. “He told me some of the flaws he sees in me as a running back, right off the bat. I don’t know this guy from a wet can of paint. I like that. I like a challenge, I like to be challenged.”
Foster said he’s hopeful he can improve on his second-round grade, but that he didn’t feel too far apart from some of the other elite juniors like Arkansas’ Darren McFadden and Felix Jones, Rutgers’ Ray Rice and Oregon’s Jonathan Stewart, who declared early.
Foster also thought his versatility (he caught 39 passes for 340 yards this season) and smarts helped earn him that second-round grade.
“You get to talking on the phone with some people, they have you right in that mix,” Foster said. “I believe I was right in that mix. I think when a fan looks at my play, they look at, ‘Oh he’s OK.’ But when a coach looks at my play, they see I don’t make mistakes. I know what’s going on on the field. I know what other people are doing on the field. It’s like having a second quarterback in the backfield, not to blow any smoke. But I know what I’m doing on the field.”
Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.
Posted by RockyTopRooks on January 15, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well Duh!! This was a no brainer. I dont think is a shocker. He probably wouldnt get drafted at all with all the other good junior running backs coming out in this years draft.
maybe Drayton can teach him how to run the ball North and South. instead of the usual-- side step, side step, stiff arm and oh im out of bounds with a 3 or 4 yard gain.
Posted by vol4good on January 15, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good News!! Better than the news we got yesterday.
Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 15, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Barring injury, he will become the all-time leading rusher in TN history. Have to give him props, although i thought his best year was his freshman year.
Posted by TommyJack on January 15, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RockyTop: You have a problem with 3-4 yd. gains?
Posted by ksteelescvol on January 15, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great news... He is a solid back, you don't make the top ten at UT unless your pretty good. Might even see him play the role of Chris Brown next season with Montario or one of the younger backs carrying the Fritter. Thanks for your hard work and commitment Arian.
Posted by Hacksaw57 on January 15, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good News.
It can only be a positive note that Arian is returning for his Senior season. He has shown that he is a good durable running back with room for improvement which I think he will receive with a somewhat new Offensive scheme from our recent coaching hires. The trick is to keep healthy and those who have played the game know to do that means to go FULL SPEED at all times. It dosen't matter how FAST you are but that you always give a 100 percent effort MENTALLY & PHYSICALLY from whistle to whistle.
If you slack up, that's when you will get hurt.
Posted by VOLstuckINky on January 15, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Say what you want to about Foster ... he looked back to freshman form at times this year. Break away speeed lacking, I like him in the line up.
We're on a roll now .... steal some recruits before 2/15 and its highs through the off season.
Posted by auttat on January 15, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RockyTopRooks, how many yards did you average while playing college football?
Posted by utchris2003 on January 15, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In other news, Titans just canned Chow. Looks like he should have jumped one of the college jobs while he had a chance.
Posted by pdhuff on January 15, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess I'm a little dingy, but you have to give Foster his props. The Lord saved him in the SC game with a OT recovering that fumble. I think seeing him caught from behind several times with his tendency to run East-West muddles my thinking.
IF (big IF) Hardesty can manage to stay healthy, what a tandem we could have next year. I believe Crompton will be a better gamer than Ainge which is saying something.
Defense is worrysome in no pass rush and quicker LBs needs to be addressed. Perhaps, it will, Chavis has delivered before. Hope he can again. 7 months....
Posted by sjt18 on January 15, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It doesn't take great top speed to be a great back. In fact, few RB's have all the required attributes plus the speed to out run top tier DB's.
The one weakness Foster has that makes a great back is burst. Great backs get to top speed in 2 steps. AF doesn't.
Maybe Drayton will know how to improve that.
Posted by todd on January 15, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
id say if we could average 3-4 yds a carry, we would win alot of football games!
Posted by sjt18 on January 15, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pd, as I said on the other thread, I think Mayo may be the only D position that isn't upgraded. IMO, Mathis, Ayers, Brown, Walker, and Martin look like a better group of DE's than Mitchell and Reynolds. DT's are basically the same considering the Mapu barely made an impact. A year of experience should mean alot.
They have a lot of guys at LB that could make a move. I'm personally rooting for McKenzie and Frazier.
DB should be as good as any UT has had... and very deep.
This D should return to the Chavis norm.
Agree 100% on Hardesty. He looks like some of the great UT RB's of the CPF era when he's healthy.
Posted by HotlantaVol on January 15, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I thought he was gone for sure. A probable second round pick is pretty hard to pass up, I'm sure. I would attribute this change of heart to the new coaching staff and would hope that this is an indication that these guys really do know how to recruit and how to coach. I look forward to seeing how Signing Day winds up.
Posted by bustervols on January 15, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a nice young man!
Posted by DadwasaVol on January 15, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I like that Foster runs downhill and he protects the quarterback well. Between Foster, Hardesty, and Crompton - look out!
Posted by bustervols on January 15, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hack, How would you know all that?
Posted by CoastGuardVol on January 15, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good news! Good news!! Arian, this no doubt was a great decision. You are the man. Cant wait for August 2008. GO VOLS!!!
Posted by bigorangedude on January 15, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad to hear Foster is returning, however I cant wait until we get Creer the ball more, he will be a superstar I believe.......Go Vols!
Posted by 99gator on January 15, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
smart decision
Posted by Ironcity on January 15, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad Arion's coming back. Good luck keep working on holding the ball!
Posted by invisiblekid on January 15, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad to see Foster make this decision, hope it
works out well for all parties involved. I'd like to see Clawson expand on his pass catching abilities. He made a few nice plays down the field last year and I think this is one area that has not been utilized enough under the UT system.
Posted by VolnDothan on January 15, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's a business decision. Not a Peyton Manning-type decision. Regardless it's lucrative for both both he and the team...
Posted by Hunter on January 15, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arian Foster is a TERRIFIC back who WILL start on Sundays in a few years. He doesn't look "fast," but he has that little dead leg move that somehow makes him impossible to tackle by just one defender.
He runs "East to West" because our offensive line this year was built around zone blocking, which is notorious for very little running room up the middle. The zones allowed the O-line to spread the field and open up the outer lanes.
It seems that our "armchair running backs" are quick to judge Arian based off of perceived slowness and fumbling problems. I didn't see either this season. Try to keep up, kids.....
Posted by KnoxVol_in_TX on January 15, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad to see some supporters of Arian out today. I have always said that this guy is a beast and we are lucky to have him.
Stauch opposition points to key fumbles, but there are a number of games that we wouldnt have had a chance in without Foster.
Extremely happy he is coming back. A leader, a man of good character, and someone who understands how to have fun playing football and still perform as expected. Welcome back...make us proud!
Posted by bhjohnso on January 15, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad he's coming back, I think he's a solid back. I also think he's got a chance to be a decent NFL back...3-5 ypc is what a lot of those teams are looking for plus his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield...and if you really think about it, he didn't fumble all that often, just seems like it was a backbreaker every time he did.
Posted by TurboFan on January 15, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He's fumbled 4 times is what I read once. SC game (we recovered), Fla game (Ainge backward handoff), Penn St game (game killer). What was the other one?
Posted by hdhurst on January 15, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
VolnDothan: You are right on. This is a move that benefits UT, but I am sure this was not one of his prime motives. In fact, IMO I don't think it is worthy of calling a news conference.
Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of Foster, even his East-West coast running has it's place in the game. I do hope the new RB coach and offense schemes can get him to think more straight up the field.
With a little improvement and a good year for UT, this could make him a first round pick after he graduates. Another decent year handling the ball will allow him to get past the perception of being a little fumble prone. I also hope Clawson makes him into a Brian Westbrook type. We could utilize his pass catching skills.
GO VOLS...looking forward to the coming season!!
Posted by cdldoc on January 15, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John Adams was correctamundo for once.
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 15, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What Hunter said.
Arian I'm very glad to see you back for your senior year. Give your all for the Orange and White and play like a champion. That's all a true fan asks, win or lose!
Posted by pjhaddix on January 15, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I, too, am excited about this decision. Arian is really good, but I don't think he's peaked yet. I'm looking forward to seeing how he grows during his last year here.
Posted by tigervol9802 on January 15, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WD40 -
South Carolina 2005 into the endzone. He doesn't fumble much. But when he does...it's always a biggie and one you remember.
I think a lot of his running style this year was what he was coached to do. Get out of bounds and avoid the hit. I think he did exactly what he was coached to do, much like Ainge and his quick release/don't take a hit.
Like I said on the other thread, if Drayton can get him a step faster, he'll be very hard to stop.
Posted by wuwh_08 on January 15, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
has anybody heard anything on Jameel Owens commitment yet?
Posted by johnsoncityvol45 on January 15, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think this is a great decision for Arian. There are 9 underclassmen running backs in the draft. Wait till next year and possibly be a first round pick. He doesnt run away from anybody but he can catch and block really well. If Hardesty can just stay healthy they would make a great tandem.
Posted by bigtimevol on January 15, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Besides the obvious plus of having AF solidify our running game, which we'll need while breaking in a new qb, w/ a solid OL, I think it's just as important that he's coming back for senior leadership. Senior leadership on a team is THE difference b/t having a good team and a championship team.
Posted by tigervol9802 on January 15, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hunter -
I agree with 99% of what you said, however, I still have visions of the Cal and LSU where he was ran down when he had nothing but endzone in front of him and in both cases we did not score. He's got elusiveness, but he needs that last step of breakaway speed to be a great back. He's borderline, but not quite top tier.
Posted by FLVol on January 15, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh good now we will win the national championship and my name is Luka and I live on the 2nd floor.
Posted by heathut15 on January 15, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i like foster,he is good catching the ball out in the flat or on a screen,needs to run north and south a little more but i am glad he is back... GO VOLS
Posted by tngeoff on January 15, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good choice Arian. You should end up as Tennessee's all time rusher. Excellent accomplishment!
Posted by GreerVol22 on January 15, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As long as he runs as if every yard gained increases his signing bonus and draft status then its all good. But if he has senioritis and becomes afraid to hit anyone , ala Heffney, then don't bother.
Posted by GreerVol22 on January 15, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting, Applewhite may be out at BAMA
http://alabama.rivals.com/barrier_noe...
Posted by kdt0725 on January 15, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Talked to Arian on Sunday and he told me he was coming back(we have a mutual best friend, my former roommate and his current one)
Posted by ctownvol on January 15, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He has more speed than some of you are giving him credit for. Remember the Georgia game this year? He took one around the right side and totally outran Asher Allen, one of UGA's best cover corners for a 20+ yard td run. Even the announcers calling the game on tv pointed out that he has more speed than given credit for on that run. I am very happy he will be a part of the team next year. RTYAB!
Posted by bowerst on January 15, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is smart for Foster and good for UT. This is a very good, deep draft for running backs. And the Vols will need an experienced guy in the backfield as they break in a new quarterback.
Foster works hard and runs hard. He does his best with what the Lord gave him. That's about all you can ask, and more than you can say for lots of guys.
Posted by tnbanker_govols on January 15, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm curious to see how our new running backs coach can develop Foster. I really believe Foster has great talent but he just needs to be persistent at giving 110% for the Vols. As long as he stays away from the wacky tobaccky, he should be just fine.
Posted by pms151 on January 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am new to this thread and need some help. I am using Safari and need to know if there is a way to get real time posts updated without constantly reloading the page. Kinda like RSS? Thanks if you can help.
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some good news after yesterday. This kid should have been escorting the recruits. But there is more good news to football fans in Tennessee to celebrate. Looks like a true idiot, named Adam jones, finally found a way to never be a football role model in Tennessee. Hooray!
Posted by nickperkinsalc on January 15, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very solid running back....Not great, but solid...
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Solid power runner. He has made his on field mistakes and is coming back to stand up like a man and make up for it. He wants to be a Tennessee great. I commend him for that.
Posted by Hacksaw57 on January 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The sign on the wall leaving the dressing room says it more appropriately than any of us that post on the web site can:
" I WILL GIVE MY ALL FOR TENNESSEE TODAY!"
If you can't give it all, then you can't expect to produce very much or get anything in return. If any athlete, not just Arian Foster in this situation, chooses to come back to make a difference it should be a done to further the TEAM’S GOALS and NOT personal ones. If their decision is based on personal ones then they SHOULD pursue the “NFL dream”. I have a TREMENDOUS amount of respect for ANYONE who chooses to return to help the TEAM. I don’t care if they are the first string All SEC leading rusher or the third string weak side safety that is on the scout team. Their decision is based on what can I DO for US instead of what can YOU do for ME. Thanks, Arian. Make us proud to be a VOL!
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pms151, can't help you. Know nothing about Apple browsers. But welcome.
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's my point hacksaw, to become a Tennessee Great you have to earn it. You just explained how.
Posted by BoogiemanTN on January 15, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Welcome back Arian and to those great football minds who posted that "he probably wouldn't be drafted anyway" should know he was a projected second rounder. I am surprised he stayed but it shows he wants to finish well. That takes a man.
Posted by jweaver3 on January 15, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Amen Boogieman, I was about to post the same thing.
2nd round aint bad money!!!
Great to have you back Arian
GO VOLS
TXVOLSFAN
Posted by waterskier3 on January 15, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
we should win the NC now!!!!! I was hoping he left just because he had holes open and didn't make the correct cut and it closed by the time he got there... how many guys did he make miss this year... how many did he outrun... i know of two chance he had to score on long runs and got caught from behind after a huge head start.... I think the backs behind him are better hardesty/creer..... its not hard to rush for 1000 yards when you play 14 games.. that's 71 yds per game.... is that really a great average?????????????????????????
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Come on waterskier3, the guy is a power back. Did not fit in the scheme last couple of years and furthermore he did not call the plays. Ainge wasn't about to run thru those holes so he gave it to Arian and he had no other choice to look for daylight wherever he saw it.
Posted by knoxsingle on January 15, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ignore the haters, Arian. We're glad to have you back at Tennessee and look forward to your having a terrific season next year.
Posted by givim6 on January 15, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anyone who wants to read exceptional posts, that state accurate facts and intelligent thinking,
go back and read:
Hunter
and
Hacksaw 57
You guys nailed it.
Posted by texvol on January 15, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
givm6vols, don't forget texvol, he saw all that happen from Section A. LOL. Go Vols.
Posted by glockjockey on January 15, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good news,he will be better this year.
Posted by volntx on January 15, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Would be great to see split backs with Foster and Hardesty behind the QB... power and speed... I believed that worked once before with some guys named Cobb and Webb. Could present a lot of problems for the D.
Posted by ThaiVolFan on January 15, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Volntx
I agree. I too think that we should expect to see some two back sets this year. What came to my mind was what a terror Cadillac and Brown were in the backfield together for Auburn. I think we should feature the two back set and make teams put their strength in the box, then be able to be successful on some deeper routes. I think our offensive success will begin with a very solid run game to ease in our new QB and open up the passing lanes for him as well.
GO VOLS!
Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 15, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I don't know this guy from a wet can of paint". What a priceless quoute and Drayton gets an atta-boy. I like a guy (or can of paint) that tells it like it is.
Good luck Arian. We all want you to get the record and the NC.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great move Arian. Maybe you can improve on that 65 yards per game average versus CAL, Florida, Bama, and LSU.
Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 15, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PLEASEGETRIDOFTHEPLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RABIDVOL1998ISANUNDERACHIEVERJUSTLIKETHEVOLS2.5MILLIONDOLLARCOACH
Posted by BigOrangeVol on January 15, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As long as he doesn't fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way.
Larry Seivers: "The Tennessee Tradition to me is the players, the student-athletes, wanting to come over there and wanting to play for UT. Wanting to spend 4 years making something worthwhile. I don’t think the tradition is players coming in as a stepping stone to the pros. Professional football is killing the college game. It bothers me that a guy can donate a million dollars and then run through the “T”. But the tradition to me is a guy who wants to go out and play for Tennessee, to do what ever it takes for a Tennessee win,"
AMEN!!!
Larry for Head Coach when Phillip retires!
Posted by BigOrange_supporter on January 15, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pms151, cool name that is the official color or UT orange, I like it.
Posted by brink637 on January 15, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great news!
Posted by ReallyAVolFan on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Put me down for a vote for Arian!!!
Posted by nicavol on January 15, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great to have Foster back. He is a tough runner and if he improves the weaknesses Coach Drayton pointed out he can have a monster year. He is a good all-around back and a great person and a true Volunteer now. Thanks Arian! I'm feeling good about 2008!!!
Posted by ORANGEAND2 on January 15, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
arian made a good decision to stay for his sr. year. first, he LISTENED to older & wiser folks & that in itself shows wisdom. second,he just might play for a national title.i have always thought he was a "natural" maybe not of the herchel w. talent,but very gifted none the less.the point is we know what he can do,and with a good part of the rest of the team coming back the future looks better than the begining of 07.the guy above who tried to slam him for 3-4 yard gains (add 4-4-4)also he, arian,knows he is not going to be the only t-back.i see him & the 08 team only getting better!! ORANGE2U-- later vol fans!!
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't be fooled sheep. Arian came back because he was not even one of the top 10 and maybe 15 running backs in this draft. Not because of his "Love For Tennessee" and "Desire to win".
Posted by dogboy on January 15, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arian, I am looking forward to watching you run this year, So glad you are back. Go Vols!!!
Posted by dvol on January 15, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, here we go again. Breaks through the line and heads for the sidelines. If sideline out of reach he'll just fumble.
Posted by leedsvol2007 on January 15, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arian, I think you made a great decision. I think Drayton's assessment was dead on and if you do what he says you will improve your draft status.
Personally I think you should be very proud of the way you improved after the devastating fumble against PSU last year. You showed your mental toughness.
Have a great 2008!
GoVols!
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CAL- 89 yards
Florida- 26 yards
Georgia- 95 yards
Bama- 91 yards
LSU- 55 yards
Wisconsin- 31 yards
You've come a long way Arian.
Posted by andy112382 on January 15, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE - 3rd leading rusher in the toughest conference in America. Not to mention 390 receiving yards. Just shut it and go back to Bama.
Go Vols!
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Where did he get these yards oh mighty andy112382?
Because it sure wasn't against the good teams.
Posted by utchris2003 on January 15, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Peyton is always the first loser, then what do you call that thing that he won last year?...Oh yeah, the Super Bowl..... Clown
Posted by bricker865 on January 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PleaseGetRidOf.....so I guess you want him gone then? You left out the receiving yards vs. LSU. Our last drive he got us in position to win that last drive.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have no problem with the young man. I'm just not falling for that "He came back to win" crap.
Posted by cwisenhower on January 15, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arian, good choice! I totally didn't see you going in the second round. More like the 4th at the earliest. With all the seniors and elite juniors entering the draft just at the RB position, I just didn't see it happening.
You had 2 MAJOR fumbles this year, one resulted in a rout (Florida) and the other was luckily recovered by McClendon, but had it fallen into the hands of the other team (SC), we woulda lost that game right there.
I love the way you run, I love the way you catch, and you're a big tough guy, but you needed to stay this extra year.
You'll be an animal this year buddy. I'm pulling for you all the way!!!
Posted by dvols on January 15, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hey please, give us a solution...
meaning options not your theories
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'll give you at least 10 reasons he came back:
1. D. Mcfadden
2. J. Stewart
3. S. Slayton
4. M. Hart
5. F. Jones
6. R. Rice
7. J. Davis
8. The Texas RB Charles?
9. K. Smith
10. Mendenhall
I may even be able to come up with 5 more if I think about it. But He came back because "He wants to win". I really believe that!
Posted by dvols on January 15, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
please, you didn't answer.
not looking for reasons, tell us how to get better, give us a name of a coach we need. what is your solution. we can all sit here and bitch all day. be a leader and give us your plan.
Posted by FWBVol on January 15, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pleasegetridof...What 2.4 million bought UT in 2007, 10-4 record, No. 12 ranking in final poll, SEC East champs.
What 4 million got Alabama was 7-6, a trip to the Independence Bowl. Sounds like Alabama got ripped off.
Posted by gaVOLman on January 15, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm right there with you Cwisenhower... I love to watch this kid run for some reason. For as slow as he looks he seems to get around the corner more times than not. Whenever it looks like theres no room, he makes something happen. To potentially be TOPS in UT history is amazing with the guys we've had over the years.
I don't think he was 2nd round material either but I think we are going to be a lot better off with him. This was a good move for both UT and Arian.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'll give you 2 names:
Greg Schiano- Anyone who can coach at Rutgers and win is a great coach. Heck he even had the mighty Vols down at halftime in 2002 in Neyland before his less superior team lost
Chris Peterson- This guy just flat out opens up the game like Spurrior did in the 90's. I promise you that he does not play it close to the vest.
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 15, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jesus H Christ dude! (Please get rid of yaddayadda)
Dude, why are you so goddamn miserable? What is your deal? Why don't you go kill a kitten, kick a puppy, or steal some candy from a baby? Is your miserable life so pathetic that the only thing you look forward to is literally vomiting your negativity on a stupid message board?
I mean come on! It's one thing to say all this crap about the coach, who is PAID and makes a lot of money, but totally another thing to say it about an amateur student athlete whose entire career could end tomorrow with a motorcycle accident or something.
You are friggin jealous and that's all this boils down to. You are frigging jealous that these men (Fulmer, Foster, etc) are living the life you could only dream about living. Get a LIFE you IDIOT.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Remind me the score of the Alabama game FBVOL?
And even with the bad season the TIDE had, I beg you to compare next years recruiting classes between the two schools.
I am not a Bama fan by no means but the future looks a lot brighter in Tusculoosa than in Knoxville.
Posted by dvols on January 15, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
thanks,
how is spurrier doing now.
lots of good coaches, but no easy fix. we need a beach in k-ville.
until then, takes a lot of luck and o and d lines
how u like urban now?
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 15, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol_in_LSU_Land.
I am not saying anything about Foster except that his comments about coming back to win are ludacris. he's coming back b/c he is not one of the top 10 backs in this draft. I respect the young man and wish him the best. And by the way, calling me jealous of them is also ludacris. Anyone would want a chance to play major D1 football. I just am not wearing orange sunglasses and unlike the sheep out there, I see that the university is losing with superior talent year after year.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
dvols- Do you really think that Fulmer is in the same class as Meyer? If so, you must have been in the car with those boys last Friday or you live in Knoxville because the entire rest of the country knows better.
Posted by dvols on January 16, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
thanks,
how is spurrier doing now.
lots of good coaches, but no easy fix. we need a beach in k-ville.
until then, takes a lot of luck and o and d lines
how u like urban now?
Posted by dvols on January 16, 2008 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
no
meyer is not in the same class as fulmer
time will tell
agree with u on your points, but not ready to hire a hot media topic and turn in to auburn.
just dont like the judgements on a good coach and program. can't win every year! nobody does in the sec.
our band is cool though!
Posted by andy112382 on January 16, 2008 at 12:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
PLEASEGETRIDOF.....
CAL- 89 yards............6.8 AVG
Florida- 26 yards........Only got 11 touches
Georgia- 95 yards........5.8 AVG
Bama- 91 yards...........7.0 AVG
LSU- 55 yards............2 Catches for 40yds left off convienetly by you and not to mention you forget to consider the defense we played against.
Wisconsin- 31 yards......Only one I can give you, but a win is a win! Not his brightest performance.
Cherry pickin' stats a bit there bud....leaving off important details. And you are also left off his performance against a solid MSU defense:
22 Carries, 139 Yds, 6.6 AVG vs MSU
And the fact he had 12 TDS and a 4.9 AVG for the season as well as close to becoming the alltime leading rusher in UT history, and if you are just a casual UT fan, you know that is a great thing....
Posted by dvols on January 16, 2008 at 12:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
when was the last time we had on o lineman drafted in the first round....
cosey coleman???
Posted by mlbrown5454 on January 16, 2008 at 12:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yawn, to PLEASEETC.
You talk about yards vs. competition in other posts, yet you rank K. Smith high in other posts. Next B. Sanders, right?
Wrong.
Slaton way too high.
If I cared / had time, I would find fault in your UA recruits or pros.
Wait, you are saying UA's magic 07-08 class will make you a champion. It doesn't work that way, you just can't remember from the past decade.
Topic at point is Foster.
Of course he came back because he wasn't a high pick. That's common sense, glad you are proud that you can point that out.
He is a quality back that has / will mature more.
If he was graded top 2-4 rounds NFL, he can only improve, which he will do.
BTW:
v. Cal / 13 carries 89 yards: 6.8 YPC / 3 catches 20 yards and a TD.
Not much v. FL (overall disappointment)
V. GA only 98 yds on 17 carries (5.8 yds) w/ 3 TD's. Boredom and Hardesty 14 carries and TD.
v. Bama (horrible loss) 13 carries 91 yards (7.0 ypc) for a TD. 4 catches 74 yds (18.5 ypc).
v. LSU: championship UA did not make(21 carries for weak 55 yds. 2.6 avg.) Time to step up.
Bowl game: overall, poor offensive performance and too lazy too look at. Foster had poor stats, notorious UT bowl effort. Big bowls are harder than your post-seasons of late.
Overall, your figures are misleading.
UF and LSU games were disappointing, yet very important games.
Offense geared towards Ainge, but did expect more.
He will have his chance and should do well.
Posted by kdt0725 on January 16, 2008 at 1:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RockyTop: He average 4.9 per carry. Thats pretty darn good if you ask me. Ill take 2nd and 5 EVERY DAY
Posted by pdhuff on January 16, 2008 at 4 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Welcome back, A. If Hardesty (IF) can stay healthy, should push Foster to better things. They will form a potent duo.
True, he was not a "big gamer". Just like the idea the team got better as the year went along. The competition leveled off from the Cals and Gators and we looked better. Still close shaves, whew. But wins. Not sure Foster a second rounder. Remember Witten, very talented, lock for second, when did he go? They must tell 80% of them, 2nd round.
Staying healthy has been a big part of his game and its paid off. Kudoes, like what Drayton said, "hesitant". Dead on.
Posted by mmeletiou on January 16, 2008 at 5:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pleasegitoffourfansite: shut up.
Looking better for 08 with a solid ground game to work from. While Arian might not have the break away speed that some other backs have, he has good vision, and is hard to tackle in traffic. With the dual threat that we have coming back, and with what we've heard about our incoming coaching staff, if our O-line can learn how to run block a bit more, Tennessee could be the smash mouth team that we've all missed for a while. We all know Chavis can put a D together with a couple of stars to work with. This could be an exciting year for the VOLS. Can't help but to consider the similarities between the outgoing 07 (pocket passer)team and the 98 mobile QB team. That D in 98 was stout! If chief can coach some of these D-linemen up to plug the middle, we should be looking at a great Tennessee Vols TEAM in the fall...
Posted by oldorange on January 16, 2008 at 5:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It is good to see when our players make the correct decision and will be great to watch this players growth n 2008. Maybe 1st round next year.
Posted by slovog on January 16, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Foster has turned into a very good back. He will be one of many assets available to The Claw next season.
As any coach would tell you, a scant but guaranteed 3 yards per carry would produce at least 6 points on every possession. And that would almost certainly translate into undefeated seasons.
Look at what Foster has accomplished running behind a line that pass-protects better than it run-blocks and an offense that has not been heavily run-oriented and the argument can be made that he has over-achieved.
Posted by The_Archer on January 16, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I was really hoping he'd leave. One of my most disliked vols ever.
Posted by lnbadger320 on January 16, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i like the way the new coach broke down his running style. i think he's going to help the running game a lot.
Posted by threehundredbowler on January 16, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol_in_lsu_land,why do you have to use the Lords name in such a manner? That is uncalled for.Please do not offend me and others. I would never stoop to abuseing God's name, especially since he loved us enough to die for us.You may not believe,but a lot of us do and are offended.Thank you for considering this request.God's blessings toward you.
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Archer: Why is that?
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 16, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
seven pin.
I apologize if I offended you in my choice of language but please don't assume that I don't believe in God. To challenge my faith based on something so silly is actually more offensive than the word itself. I was expressing disbelief and frustration at the attack directed at Arian Foster (amateur student athlete),, I was not attacking God.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Schiano- One good season at Rutgers... and plays in the Big East. Not a terrible choice but not a great one either.
Peterson- Horrible choice. He may be a good coach one day but the total sum of his success so far has been riding Dan Hawkins coat tails. They played something like the 118th strength of schedule this year and still managed to lose 3 games. They lost to ECU- a mid-pack, 7-5, CUSA team in the Hawaii Bowl. They lost to Washington who finished at the bottom of the Pac10. In fact, they beat one team with a winning record- Fresno St. Need we mention that they lost to Hawaii late in the season in a game that really wasn't as close as the score... just prior to UGA's dismantling of the Rainbow Warriors?
pleasegetridof... There are good coaches out there... maybe some better than CPF for UT... but these two guys aren't even close.
If you want to look at BSU... then follow the trail on over to Colorado and see if you can entice Dan Hawkins. He is in the process of turning the Buffs around. He had an improved season this year, beat OU, and is putting a great recruiting class together at a difficult to recruit to school.
But even he hasn't proven himself as much as CPF.
Posted by posivol on January 16, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE you sir are a idiot.please leave the site buy a gun and shoot your self immediatly.your negative dribble shows a total lack of respect for tennessee as well as the posters on this board.why you feel the need to attack people while hiding behind your screen name makes me think you are this sites number one rated loser!
just kidding about buying a gun,ill loan you one..lol
Posted by jweaver3 on January 16, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good post Touchdown, If we can get Hardesty healthy and Creer to block so he can play. We may be finally back to Vol ball of old with 2-3 really quality back to split carries like the days of Lewis, Henry and Stephens, even back to the Cobb and Webb days. Now that was a GREAT backfield!!!
TXVOLSFAN
GO VOLS!!!!
Posted by bernardking on January 16, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Waterskier3.....you need to STFU with your uninformed idiotical posts. Did you watch the Arkansas game??? Did you watch any game for that matter? Arian is a good back and is BETTER right now than either Hardesty or Creer. See starting lineup. What a tool
Posted by Basketball_Jones on January 16, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol_n_LSU_Land....Spoken like a true Maryville Graduate! Mr. Newman would be proud!
I'm sure the guy came back to win but I'd say the depth at running back in the draft had a little to do with it as well. I like Foster but sometimes he seems to disappear in games, now some of that is because Cut likes to get away from the running game. I really think had Cut stayed Foster woulda been Audi!
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 16, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. Newman! LOL that brings back memories.
I truly feel bad for my choice of language. I posted that last night and I was just very angry to see a young student athlete attacked in such a way. Heck, Arian Foster is still just a kid! Would we be talking about a high school player that way? I knew when I posted that I was crossing the line so my apologies.
Anyway heels fan...what year did you graduate? I saw the other day where you said you went to MHS. I was class of 91 FWIW.
Posted by GiveHimSix1387 on January 16, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
From the first time Foster was considering going pro a lot of you guys could care less saying that he is an overrated back. I can't begin to describe how big this is for our offense. Foster is just as important to our offense as Mayo was to our defense. Clawson's philosophy is to get it into playmakers hands. I'm sorry but if Foster would have left we would have been losing our best playmaker on offense. Foster is a beast and makes a lot of people miss. If Drayton can tune up some of his weaknesses and Clawson does what he has been saying and gets it into Fosters hands, he could potentially have one of the best seasons ever in Tennessee running back history. I like how a lot of you throw out negative comments when you think Arian is going to leave but as soon as he says hes coming back yall flip gears and act like yall wanted him back all along. Get a clue people! Tf Arian left we would be relying on an injure prone Hardesty and an unproven Creer. Plus, I'm ready to see Foster put on another great performance against Georgia when we beat them in Athens next year!
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt18- Maybe you forgot where Urban Meyer came from and what he did in two years? Before you call the Big East weak, please go back and check it's record versus the mighty SEC the past 2 years. To bring up strength of schedules is idiotic. I guess Memphis isn't good in basketball this year? Come on man, those 2 guys can coach and would bring intensity and passion to Knoxville. You can see it in their eyes unlike the large pepperoni in our current coaches.
Posted by bigorangedude on January 16, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Getting Foster back along with the linemen is huge. Tennessee is picked 3rd for 2008 in the east, I believe we will win the east. I really like this running backs coach, I believe our running game will be much improved in 08. Also there are too many Armchair coaches in here. Give coach Fulmer credit, he is the winningest active coach in college football and he is a Tennessee native, what more could we ask for?
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SOS is idiotic? How so? You mean you consider a coach more talented if he beats up on a schedule that includes only 3 teams with a winning record than one that has one more loss because of playing in the SEC CG... who played a schedule with something like 10 bowl eligible teams on it?
I don't like Meyer but there is no comparison between his credentials and Peterson's. If you have any questions just look them up on wikipedia.
Just for the record- the Big East was 3-2 in bowls this year and had only one team (its BCS rep) play in an upper tier bowl.
Rutgers beat might Ball State. USF was pounded by Ore. WFU beat UConn comfortably. Cincy beat USM after it was announced that Bower was being fired.
Yes. Year in, year out, the Big East has been weak. It is improving but this year was a step back after last year- 5-0 with two nice NYD or after wins.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bigorangedude, If UT can get a consistent power running game which they ought to be able to do... then they should definitely be in the mix with UGA and UF.
Posted by bigorangedude on January 16, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt18- I agree! With a strong running game and Crompton's ability to throw the long ball, they can have a great year. If Tennessee plays good defense in 08, I believe we can win a national championship. o8 has the feel of 1998. Our best QB ever left (Manning) and noone expected a national championship with Tee Martin. I believe Crompton will be our Tee Martin in 08.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pleasegetridof... please tell me again about that intensity you saw in their eyes as Rutgers was losing to Cincy, UConn, Maryland, Louisville, and being crushed by WVU...
Or BSU as they were losing to Hawaii, ECU, and Pac10 bottom feeder Washington... or when those big beasts from Nevada scored 67 in an overtime loss in Boise.
Like I said, there may be some better guys out there... but these two aren't.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I won't go that far... but I definitely think the SEC Championship or a BCS at large bid are within grasps. Unless someone emerges (which is possible), Martin was probably surrounded by better talent than JC will be. UT needs a couple of WR's to step up as real threats... the two most likely from an athletic standpoint are Jones and Paige (a little unstable). They also need at least one but preferrably two of the RB's to step up and stay healthy. I don't care if it is Creer, Hardesty, Vereen, Hawkins, Poole, or some other newcomer... someone has to step up though.
Posted by bernardking on January 16, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Pleasegetridof..........crawl back under your rock.
Yes, dumbo, the Big East is weak compared to the other BCS conferences. Of course, your ignorance is legendary on here so for you to think it is strong is a testament to your perpetual stupidity.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SOS is idiotic? How so? You mean you consider a coach more talented if he beats up on a schedule that includes only 3 teams with a winning record than one that has one more loss because of playing in the SEC CG... who played a schedule with something like 10 bowl eligible teams on it?
I don't like Meyer but there is no comparison between his credentials and Peterson's. If you have any questions just look them up on wikipedia.
Just for the record- the Big East was 3-2 in bowls this year and had only one team (its BCS rep) play in an upper tier bowl.
Rutgers beat might Ball State. USF was pounded by Ore. WFU beat UConn comfortably. Cincy beat USM after it was announced that Bower was being fired.
Yes. Year in, year out, the Big East has been weak. It is improving but this year was a step back after last year- 5-0 with two nice NYD or after wins.
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Ask Auburn if South Florida is weak
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's really all the response you could muster...? Not that surprising since you seem to form opinions out of thin air but a little embarrassing don't you think?
The fact that USF caught Auburn flat footed early in the season doesn't refute the fact that the Big East and in particular Rutgers weren't very strong this year. I didn't say they were a mid-major look alike like they used to be... but they aren't on par with the SEC, Pac10, or Big12 yet.
The Big10 has dropped off as has the ACC. There really aren't any powerhouse teams in the ACC now unless you want to say it is VT or BC. I think the Big East is on par with the ACC now and the Big 10 sans tOSU.
The Big10 has become more or less tOSU on top with PSU, UM, UW, and now Ill chasing from a pretty significant distance behind. Purdue, Iowa, NW, MSU, and Minn aren't even close to their former levels. IU probably hasn't improved... just benefited from the dips in other programs to look respectable for once.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pleasegetridof... please tell me again about that intensity you saw in their eyes as Rutgers was losing to Cincy, UConn, Maryland, Louisville, and being crushed by WVU...
Or BSU as they were losing to Hawaii, ECU, and Pac10 bottom feeder Washington... or when those big beasts from Nevada scored 67 in an overtime loss in Boise.
Like I said, there may be some better guys out there... but these two aren't.
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How would have Fat Phil done with these teams. Can you honestly tell me that he would have done better than these guys if he were at these two schools without even a tenth of the budget that UT has? If so, give Gerald Jones a call. Tennessee has by far the highest recruiting budget in the SEC. Fulmer wins because UT has money and money = success. Find me one 5 star recruit on either Boise State or Rutgers. You will be looking for a long time.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I like how when SEC teams get beat during the regular season that they were "Caught Flat-Footed"
I guess Cal caught UT flat-footed
I guess Missouri caught Ole Miss flat-footed
I guess WVU caught Miss. St. flat-footed
I guess Florida St. caught Alabama flat-footed
I guess La-Monroe caught Alabama flat-footed
I guess South Florida caught Auburn flat-footed
I guess Wake Forrest caught Vandy flat-footed
Take away the bowl games and find me 1 quality out of conference win for the SEC. Or were the other teams Flat-footed?
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes. CPF would do just as well as Peterson at Boise St considering that schedule. Probably better. Schiano is a decent coach... but I'd suspect that if UT had had Ray Rice this year they'd have played in the BCS.
There is no conference more competitive than the SEC and every tangible fact supports that notion. Even UK and Vandy were competitive this year making the East the toughest league in all of college football... CPF won it.
Posted by vol4jesus on January 16, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." So not being convicted at what comes out of the mouth sends up or should send up a red flag. Food for thought to vol_n_lsu land and all who claim to follow Christ Jesus. No I'm not talking perfectionism. Just curious if the Holy Spirit convicted one of sin or just got called out by posters. Yes, apology was accepted.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt18- I guess that is your opinion and you are entitled to that. I firmly believe that with the same players at those schools Fulmer would not be able to coach those 2 start players up like those two coaches do. They have nothing to work with (as well as the other schools in their conference) and they suprise a BCS school now and then. Fulmer has everything to work with. It would be interesting to see how Fulmer would do with low recruiting classses. Hold on, it looks like we will find this out soon. At least he will have the facilities, the athletic budget, and 100,000 + to help him out. Something those schools do not have
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I like how when SEC teams get beat during the regular season that they were "Caught Flat-Footed""
Did I make that generalization? No. I didn't. Auburn turned out to be a better football team than USF as demonstrated by pretty much every game the two teams played in after their game.
"I guess Cal caught UT flat-footed"
Cal outplayed UT but UT finished the season much better and their D improved. Took two non-offensive TD's for Cal to win though they had their best game of the year that night.
"I guess Missouri caught Ole Miss flat-footed"
No. MU was a division champ in the second strongest conference.
"I guess WVU caught Miss. St. flat-footed"
No WVU is better at this point than MSU.
"I guess Florida St. caught Alabama flat-footed"
Equal teams... came down to who didn't choke as normal.
"I guess La-Monroe caught Alabama flat-footed"
Absolutely.
"I guess South Florida caught Auburn flat-footed"
Yes.
"I guess Wake Forrest caught Vandy flat-footed"
No. WFU is a better team and program.
"Take away the bowl games and find me 1 quality out of conference win for the SEC. Or were the other teams Flat-footed?"
Why take away the bowl games? Nonetheless, UGA beat KSU. LSU trounced VT. UF beat FSU. UGA beat GT. UK beat L'ville.
Again, there is no good reason to disclude the bowl games except that your point falls apart completely with them included... but isn't great without them.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pleasegetridof... Yes an opinion. But one that is largely based on the facts and not conflicting with them as far as I can tell. Your opinions simply don't have merit based in fact.
Yes UT has resources and spends money recruiting... they have to if they are to compete. Tn doesn't routinely produce more than 4-7 4-5* players state wide. Ga is easily double that. Fl is even worse.
NJ has more instate talent than Tn in virtually any year. If you include the eastern Pa area that is closer to Rutgers than PSU... they have vastly more talent to draw from. You could very, very easily and accurately say that Schiano SHOULD build a powerhouse there.
BSU benefits from a poor schedule and playing in the weakest of the mid-major conferences. The WAC is pathetic. They aren't a terrible football program but Peterson has not proven he's ready for prime time in his two years there. Hawkins OTOH is a very good coach.
If UT ever loses CPF then Hawkins should be considered... but not Peterson unless he not only sustains but takes BSU to the next level... routinely beating upper tier BCS conference opponents. Their only shot at the SEC was UGA in 2005... they were completely outclassed.
Posted by nivatne on January 16, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have not posted on this board, but reading the verbal diarrhea of one of the posters has lead to my first post on this site (I know everyone is holding their breath...)
PLASEGETRIDOF: What is wrong w/ you?!?! What sort of evidence do you have that UT has the highest recruiting budget (maybe so, but I would like some visual evidence)?? Also, I guess we should all take your "firm belief", fire CPF and hire Peterson right away. Also, you state they have nothing to work with. Hmmm, who had ever heard of Rutgers football prior to Ray Rice (All-American & lock as a 1st round pick). And who had ever heard of Boise State prior to Ian Johnson (All-American)or Jared Zabransky? These two schools found a couple of needle-in-the-haystacks, and brought their schools into the spotlight (Also please don't forget that BSU plays in quite possibly one of the weakest confrences in D-I, Rutgers not much better). Please tell me, where was Rutgers playing this year for a bowl game (w/ Ray Rice)? Or Boise State (w/ Ian Johnson)? These schools had 2-3 good if not great years. Their stars are gone. Let see just how good these schools next year. Until then, your "firm belief" is nothiing more than my "firm belief" that you were dropped when you were little.
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 16, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now vol4Jesus.
This is exactly why I don't walk around with my religion on my sleeve for all to see and why I think so lowly of bible thumper hypocrites. I am a Christian but I confess my faults and my flaws and my sins with no hesitation. Saying the word "G-D in "vain" ranks about near killing a fly on my list of mortal sins. I am not proud that I chose to curse, mind you...However, I do not believe in a God who is offended by mere words when he knows what is in my heart... nor do I take so-called believers very seriously who let mere words offend them so easily.
I read your judgemental and hypocritical words and I see why so many, many people are flocking, no FLEEING from churches in droves. Think long and hard before you chastise someone for something that amounts to no more than a verb. Think about the intention of the speaker. I was defending a young man (Arian Foster) with my words. As poor a choice as they were, the intention was not to harm nor to hurt.
Think about it.
Posted by Basketball_Jones on January 16, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LSU_VOL I graduated in 1990.....Man I didn't realize there was such a problem with flat feet in the SEC. Hmmmm glad those players never tried to join the military
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nivatne: Now that's a good post.
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol_in_LSU: How do you KNOW that Vol4Jesus is hypocritical?
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
vol_in_lsu_land.
I have stayed out of this. You seemed to make an adequate apology but your last post had some significant flaws.
Christ taught a religion that you DO wear around on your sleeve. He said to let your light shine and that if you were ashamed of Him before men, He'd be ashamed of you before the Father.
Words do matter and God said that every idle one would be accounted for.
If you study the reasons that kids are giving up the religion of their parents, it isn't because it is too judgmental... It is because they don't seem to stand for anything or live out the precepts. Churches that are strong on doctrine and holiness don't have people fleeing in droves.
The fastest shrinking Christian denominations are the "mainline" protestants that fell prey to theological liberalism and the social gospel a generation ago.
Posted by VolAlexander on January 16, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Come on guys. This doesn't always have to turn in to some sort of religious debate. We are on a sports website posting about sports. There are hundreds of people that post daily. We come from different places and we all have different views and opinions. Personally I don't believe people in sports forums should bring their religious beliefs into the mix or feel offended by the words of others who are not personally attacking them. I feel the expression of our own opinions in regards to sports is the only thing that matters on this website. Plus your not going to change someone's religious beliefs in between talks of Arian Foster coming back for his senior season. I think this is the problem with christianity anyway. It seems to soak itself in to everything these days. Stick to sports. There has to be a sports forum where people can go and have sports related talk and a little "God" thrown in there too... I think its the lunch after church on sundays but I could be wrong as I am just a human being living in your world where your beliefs matter more than mine.
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
VolAlexander: If you're trying to sell a sports only post, you're violating your own argument with your little barbs at Christianity. Which do you want, pal? Sports or religion?
Posted by pdhuff on January 16, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack- Had the 4 young men had two oggs instead of two blunts in their ride, would it have mattered to the constabulary? Would they have cited an ogg for no tag light?
Other perinent queries to follow...... mental wanderings......
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oggs or doobies, the 4 lads were toast when the policia saw the grevious dim license tag. Fighting oppression and supressing tyranny..the Mounties were ON THE JOB. Serving and protecting.
Posted by sjt18 on January 16, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
VolAlexander, Can you please explain your complaint that these threads always turn into religious debates?
I think I've seen it show up a few times but hardly always.
BTW, I think this is the problem with secularism and multicultural liberalism... it seems to soak its way into everything these days.
Posted by TommyJack on January 16, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt118: Your last sentence was on the money, my friend. Multiculture liberalism is very open and broad minded (as long as you agree with them).
Posted by utmdm on January 16, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
vol_in-lsu
Just a point of observation - GD in vain compared to killing a fly - Did He not include something about that in another chart called the 10 Commandments? I think it carried a different weight.
Hey, Not to throw stones. I have had occasion where my mouth got ahead of me. I do appreciate you standing up for the student athletes here. It really burns me for the way some people here hide behind the keyboard and take their frustated lives against the young people who are just playing ball. Let's hang tough. Life is going to get better for the Orange.
Posted by pdhuff on January 16, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TDTN, is there anywhere or any grounds upon which 121212's case could be pled? Even though the 12 (as in times) nom de plume will not curry great favor, perchance he could be resurrected. Maybe not.
I trust you are ready for our great last push into recruiting's upperdom. Stand by for news!
Posted by ORANGEAND2 on January 16, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
the amount of usless jarring on this page?? how about sticking with the facts about foster thus far in his development and how that and other factors with the vols returning having some impact in 08. is there some real optimist out there, come on my orange brothers!! we sure ended the season with more than most folks imagined mid-season--RIGHT>>>><<<<<<<<<
Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 16, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK let me address a few things.
First to answer Tommy Jack's question, "How do I know vols4jesus is hypocritical"?
And my answer is because he used his own value judgements on something I did to call into question the quality of my faith. And in doing so, unless he is Jesus Christ himself (the only human without sin) then he is a hypocrite. We are ALL hypocrites to call into question someone else's deep personal beliefs (based on a disagreement in principal) unless we can say with certainty that we are SINLESS ourselves.
OK, to address stj...When I say I don't wear my faith on my sleeve, I do not mean that I deny my faith or that I'm ashamed of it. I also understand what you mean about letting my light shine.
But this is what I know to be true and also believe. I have known many good, indeed GREAT people who I have heard take the Lord's name in vain. People who would give their eye-tooth for another. People who give of their time, their money. People who show love and compassion at every turn. Yet, people who are flawed and sometimes express frustration with language. I have known born again Christians like this. To be a born again Christian means to accept Christ as the savior and son of God. It does not mean that you become perfect and sin-free.
I have also known MANY people who claim to be Christians who enjoy showing it to the world. They wear their WWJD? t-shirts, sing the loudest in church, show up with the fattest check at the offering plate. Yet ask them to actually DO something to help a homeless person, a drug addict, or a recovering alchoholic, and they run as fast as they can the other way. They are Sunday Christians and whatever you wanna call it Mon-Saturday.
I do no believe that the God who created this universe is sitting up on high taking count of every time I but the words God and damn together. I think the God of heaven above, if he is smart enough to create ME, he's smart enough to know me inside and out. I shouldn't have used those words, but only because it served no purpose and I could have chosen better ones. This is what I believe and I do NOT owe anyone any further explanation. That's all I'm saying on that subject OUT.
Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on January 16, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here you go nivatne...
2006-07 SEC FOOTBALL RECRUITING BUDGETS
1. Tennessee: $900,000
2. Arkansas: $659,676
3. Auburn: $535,000
4. LSU: $510,000
5. Florida: $500,000
6. Georgia: $485,000
7. Ole Miss: $375,000
8. Kentucky: $350,000
9. South Carolina: $253,500
10. Mississippi State: $210,000
2005-06 SEC FOOTBALL RECRUITING BUDGETS
1. Tennessee: $1,071,263
2. Arkansas: $586,893
3. LSU: $510,000
4. Georgia: $48 5,000
5. Auburn: $455,000
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