Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This whole thing sounds fishy, I'm glad they are reviewing it. I didn't realize the officer was off duty, was he in uniform? Does the complaint say what Parker was yelling about? I wish KNS would aswer obvious questions before we have to ask.

Posted by sjt18 on January 28, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This sounded fishy from the start. I don't know if Parker did anything wrong but it just doesn't pass the smell test.

Did the officer incite him somehow?

Posted by tigervol9802 on January 28, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Egad!

A KPD officer trying to stroke his own ego? Surely not!

Posted by 99gator on January 28, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

even if the arrest was warranted....this kind of charge gets dropped all the time. this was not going to get prosecuted. it just looks bad for the kid and the school.

Posted by sjt18 on January 28, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole thing for me is that if every kid that was in the parking lot yelling at midnight had been arrested when I was in college... there would have been enough arrests to fill a bus every weekend.

I mean that wasn't an oddity... the anomaly was a night in the week when there weren't people yelling in the parking lot at midnight.

The first thing was definitely all the players' fault. The second thing- sounds like Vereen was jumped but he shouldn't have been drunk or outside.

This just doesn't sound right.

Posted by volfan73120 on January 28, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thus far, it looks like alcohol or drugs are not involved. Lets get to the truth of the matter.

Posted by sjt18 on January 28, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh pragmatism just showed up...

this is very convenient for PR purposes. Even if it turns out that Parker was wrong... the whole thing will be in question until some time after NSD.

Posted by 99gator on January 28, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how can this be investigated anyway? if you ask a bunch of kids was the cop in the wrong or the person who was arrested.....kids will say the cop 99 times out of 100, regardless of what really happened.

without knowing anything (but, yet, dumb enough to offer an opinion), i will guess that both sides could have handled the situation better and the arrest was probably not warranted.....he just probably did something to make the cop not happy with him.

Posted by mountainbrook on January 28, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Imagine that...special treatment for an athlete.

Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt - I think one could find a drunk outside every dorm on campus every night.

I didn't know I even had license plate lights, but I checked and I do, but they are out. I've noticed a good deal of cars have lights out.

I don't condone any of the behavior and I think Jones and Paige should be suspended for 2 games, but the equal treatment clause of the constitution seems to be being stretched.

maybe this is the price athletes must pay for all the positive benfits of notariety that they get.

Posted by bean3669 on January 28, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what a surprise. poor ol' KPD. what a freakin joke. next time i go to neyland i will make sure i don't wave my arms and scream. basically this cop was made to look like an idiot and he didn't like it. i don't dislike KPD, i just think they need to look into the way disorderly conduct is defined. we just better hope there wasn't something really wrong in the complex.

Posted by BigOrangeInCarolina on January 28, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wasn't there, but I would think the officer would've taken some time to maybe appeal to AP's friends or somebody from the UT program to help calm AP down, as opposed to just hauling him off to jail. There is a fine line with disorderly conduct charges, and there are better ways to go about handling those type situations, particularly if alcohol or drugs aren't involved, than the short-fused jail route. I'm not saying that just because he's an athlete. I think that course should be followed with anyone. It isn't worth the paperwork.

Posted by yemmusdarb on January 28, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cops are worthless. you don't arrest someone for something like this. worst case, you put them in handcuffs and calm them down or explain that they COULD be arrested if they don't quit. otherwise either ticket them or let it go as COLLEGE KIDS BEING COLLEGE KIDS!!! just because cops don't go to college and don't understand that doesn't mean they should take it out on people that aren't pathetic.

Posted by TommyJack on January 28, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cops investigating cops. Hmmm

Posted by FWBVol on January 28, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That 6 a.m. running must have been pretty tough if Parker dropped 40 plus pounds. Maybe the other players will take notice. LOL

Posted by zipstick2002 on January 28, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh sure, 12:30AM, yelling in the middle of a parking lot ... lots of us do it all the time. Arrest us? Better not - isn't fair. Police are so unfair, I'll bet that mean old cop had been hiding in the parking lot for hours just hoping to arrest a VOL. Get real, the kid was acting like a jerk. The cop is not a social worker. He is a law enforcement officer. When are we going to hold people responsible for their actions? Next time you have an urgent problem, call a counselor.

Posted by TommyJack on January 28, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

zipstick: That's the point. WAS THIS an urgent situation?

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 5:58 p.m.

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Posted by TommyJack on January 28, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe the light on Parker's ipod was burned out.

Posted by tigervol9802 on January 28, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys, it's Knoxville cops who have a chance to prove how big and bad they are when they arrest a football player.

I've heard them brag about busting local area high school players before, much less the thrill they get from busting a UT player. I bet that cop has called every person he's met in his life to tell them what he got to do.

I have yet to see a cop in action in this city that knows how to defuse a situation. Probably this cop got on an ego trip because of his badge, probably treated Parker with little or no respect and did his own share of yelling, the whole time milking him into being able to take him in.

The cops in this city are 95% worthless. I hate to put all in that category, because I know there are some good ones who do it for more than the ego trip. But 9 times out fo 10 when I read these, I side with the player because I've watched how the people on the other side are.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's see. Four or five who "claimed to be witnesses.

1. Phillip Fulmer

2. Mike Hamilton

3. Jimmy Haslam

4. Thunder Thornton

and the "maybe" 5th - Dr. John Peterson

Yup. We ain't talkin' about no freshman now. Now we're talkin' about an All SEC Performer! I'm sure "possible witnesses" will start crawling out of the woodwork! I better check my e-mail for a VASF special notice!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

THIS IS STERLING...CHIEF!

Posted by TommyJack on January 28, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tigervol: Back in the day, the KnoxCops were mostly slugs...Crooked, lyin, cheatin, goobers.
Hopefully that's changed over the years. But when I see a story like this one (or the license plate light), my first inclination is to doubt the cops. Hope things are better now, but I wonder.

Posted by creepykev on January 28, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know, I'm sure the guy was cranky having to go deal with the guy after he was off duty. He might have been asleep after having to work a long shift. The point is he probably didn't have any patience at that point. Believe it or not most cops are people too and are subject to the same range of emotions that we all are. Give the guy a break.

Posted by pdhuff on January 28, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, at least this "incident' grew more legs. And on we go. Doldrums keep trying to settle.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NY Times: "For some time, mass transit operators have worried about a growing phenomenon: "ghost riders," people who file insurance claims for injuries they never sustained in public transit accidents. When there is a bus or train accident, people from the neighborhood often race on board and claim they were victims.

Knoxville, TN - "Owen said “less than four or five “ people who claimed to be witnesses to the incident complained about the arrest. The chief said he had “absolutely not” been contacted by UT officials about the arrest."

"Ghost witnesses!"

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Owen said he had not yet assigned a supervisor to review the facts of the case. KPD spokesman Darrell DeBusk said there was no timetable set for completing the review.

No timetable! It could take until after the 2008 season ends!

Posted by smokey90 on January 28, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article is too vague. I would like to hear from the witnesses. I am sure if KNS would visit the apartment complex, they could report a better article.

Posted by DennisVols on January 28, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"review the facts of the case"
What a concept. Reviewing the facts before passing judgement. I agree with sjt18's 4:59 post. If everyone who was in college got arrested for yelling in the parking lot after midnight the jails would be full.
Has KPD solved all the drug and violent crime problems in Knoxville so that we can start arresting folks for what at best seems to be a distrubing the peace offense?
Admittly if you do not put yourself in a position to get into trouble you seldom will but this seems a bit much with all the rest of the criminal acts going on.

Posted by VOLS85 on January 28, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The truth is that we know nothing about this case or the exact specifics. We can speculate on everything that happened all we want. However, there were many that felt that the police officer did not handle the situation correctly. KPD, for the first time in a hot minute, have decided to review the case.

I think it is only fair that they do because the facts that were stated are not consistent with the need for an arrest.

For those of you who live in suburbia and do not know college students or you just never went yourself, we do stay up past midnight (I'm a 22 year old senior and I never go to bed before midnight), and we do do stupid things that don't necessitate arrest. I have yelled in a parking lot countless times late at night and if you've ever been in the fort you'll see that this is something that happens every single night. Why he got singled out is the question.

Posted by VOLS85 on January 28, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The most upsetting part is that a UT student was robbed and shot by an assailant last week in the Fort, and KPD has no clues or answers for that.

Posted by jevolball7 on January 28, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Citizens arrest,citizens arrest! Barney Fife is on the loose...again! KPD: GO AND FIND SOME BANK ROBBERS,RAPERS,MURDERS! My god,why do people have to wonder why our jails are over-crowded? It's ALL about collecting the money!! This case will be tossed out so fast that KPD won't even be able to gather up at your local Pilot and ponder it,over their free Krispy Kreams and coffee. KPD is out of control! I for 1,am sick of it!!

Posted by VolPowers on January 28, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's an idea KPD as how to not open your actions up to interpretations....worry about ACTUAL CRIME!

Posted by invisiblekid on January 28, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Courtesy officer" must be the politically correct term having replaced "rent-a-cop". Hard to say exactly what happened but, if it were true that Parker was trying to get others to join in on the fun, then the cop probably needed to get ahold of the situation. On the flip side, hard to say what exactly was said by both parties. I know it's hard to believe, but I have seen some cops with a bad attitude.

Posted by mallardbayvol on January 28, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard on good authority that Anthony Parker was screaming out Rocky Top and was trying to get others to join him when the police officer showed up. The aforementioned officer is from Tuscaloosa, Alambama and they got into an argument and AP decided to sing again and was arrested. Goes to show you that Saban's influence is spreading everywhere! :)

Posted by nicksjuzunk on January 28, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shoot man,

It still looks about the same. You don't know if the report is absolutely true but according to what I have seen here, it looks like action was taken in an appropriate manner.

Two words.

"Shoulda complied"

That ends all the crap.

Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nicks - "shoulda complied" .. to what? Was the officer in uniform? did he identify himself? When? Many facts still needed, so we are probably over analyzing this, but no way "That ends all the crap".

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nicksjuzunk.

Hope that you and your family are doing well. Your point is valid. There is no doubt the policeman identified himself and is not a "rent a cop", but a Knoxville Policeman (thus the investigation by the department itself). Many on here are a part of the problem. They deny that anything Tennessee football players do is wrong and attack police officers who simply do their duty. On other stories about this incident, before Fulmer created the uproar for the "investigation" said clearly, as they said they were there that the cop at first gave them all a break. They all responded, except Parker who got louder and was seemingly threatening toward the officer.

Notice Fulmer never made a statement.

After all the nasty stuff I've read here and on other stories by "Vol fans" about the police, hey...if I was a cop in Knoxville, I'd probably be inclined to follow the letter of the law every time and NEVER give a break to ANY Tennessee football players. How come most players never get arrested, even for some, while "driving black?" Because they have self control and respect for their coach, the University, themselves and the community they are currenntly living in. The University is fast becoming laughable as an institution with even the faculty nearly deciding to give the President a vote of "no confidence." http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story....

On a Hallowed Hill in Tennessee...

Posted by jevolball7 on January 28, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Shoulda complied"..Translation= Bow to the man, give up your rights,go to jail,feedthe man your$,pay fine+court costs. Have a nice day! What a bunch of sheep this proud country is FAST becoming!

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way...for all you cop bashers. You better buy kevlar and pray to whatever the God is you believe in, because East Tennessee is becoming a lair for Mara Salvatrucha. Before you get too caught up in dissing these cops who you will have to call to help you, you ought to think bigger picture than your little world of cop bashing.

Posted by turbo on January 28, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK. He did get a chance to leave when the officer told him to and for a moment he used common sence but then AP's ego got the best of him and he wanted to show how big and bad he was...or wasn't considering he was trying to get more people to join in. Well I guess it is safe to say at 12:30 AM in an apartment complex where families live, not a dorm that you can not act like an idiot by yelling and making enough noise to have people come out side of their apartments and see what was going on.. I also wonder if AP even lives at the apartment complex. I also wonder if AP would be allowed to stand outside of Hamiltons front door while he was trying to sleep. Dont be idiots and question the officers motives he was off duty and prob. would rather not have to take time out of his own personal time to deal with this.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_t...

Posted by agentorange on January 28, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

just like Fred Weary...arrested while being black after dark. kpd has always been clueless but at least they used to let students go after messing with them. The Josh McNeil thing was even worse. The guy was in his gd house which the lame-o cops/govt has no business going into. the real vols fought for freedom; not for the big brother crap that is going on now. free ap.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here cop bashers...two "off duty police officers at apartment complex":

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/16/o...

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 28, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff.

Man, with all due respect you are overreacting.

I really gained a respect for you during the season when the "heart" of this football team showed up and we won some close games. Don't get me wrong, I respect you regardless because I can detect that you TRULY CARE. But I also feel ...OK let me make this statement:

I have found in life that given two opinions, scenarios, or two sides to a story, very RARELY does the truth lie at one extreme or another. The truth ALMOST ALWAYS rests somewhere in the middle. It isn't sexy to feel "moderately" about anything. It doesn't get good ratings, and as with politics, it rarely gets votes. But it nevertheless is often THE TRUTH.

I get blasted on this forum because I try to be moderate (with an admitted lean toward forgiveness for Fulmer and the team)...Moderates are usually hated worse than extremists. Listen to Rush Limbaugh. HE HATES MODERATES.

Anyway...I know you are frustrated and embarasses that this is making headlines...but just think about this: If you didn't know about this, would you be mad? Is it the event, or the knowledge of the event, that has you frustrated?

Which brinsg us to the real truth. It is online media, reporting, and so called "journalists" eager to make a name that screw the rest of us. I promise you, this story is not newsworthy. Maybe the drug citation with the others, but not this one. The Vereen case was flimsy too. Coker was reportable news to a degree but mostly because his irresponsibility got him kicked off the team.

Journalists have a responsibility to keep things real. Yelling, waving arms? Dang, it just isn't enough. Not without knowing more! Too eager Geoff! They are! And my criticism for you...you are too. You are too eager to lay the blame on Fulmer, a coach, or a group of players...when though maybe some blame is deserved, not to this degree.

Let's keep this crap between he lines instead of veering to one extreme or the other!!!!

Posted by DennisVols on January 28, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff
I live down here in Atlanta. It has been reported that there were 40 shell casing found at that shooting and the officers never got to draw their guns.
One of the many sad points was that Atlanta, like most cities, does no pay its officer enough money so they have to work 2nd jobs to support their families.
One of the officers had returned from Iraq just to be shot to death by an American. Sad just doesn;t cover that.

Posted by GerryOP on January 28, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Simple. If you sass the cops, your gonna get in trouble. How much sass was the cop supposed to take from the 6'-3" 305 pound male? Don't really need to know many details. If the cop told the 6'-3" 305 pound male to "move on" and he didn't "move on", well, ... that's why we have judges. Don't like what the cop did, tell it to the judge.

Sounds like some of our student/athletes need to learn that if you put yourself in harms way, you might get harmed. So be it.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DennisVols.

That's right. 40 shell casings...never had a chance. Every day cops face stuff a lot bigger than Tennessee football player nonsense, yet for some they think it "righteous" to dis the cops and "protect" the players.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/arti...

You better hope KPD gets reinforcements folks. They are undergunned and undermanned for what's happening in the big picture in Knoxville and East Tennessee. Tennessee football is little in their big picture. The end.

Posted by GerryOP on January 28, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's just leave it at this vol_in_lsu_land. I respect your opinion, will you respect mine? Be well brother.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vol_in_lsu_land.

I agree with a lot that you say. You're a smart guy and your enthusiasm is admirable. This crap with dissin' the cops all the time though has become repulsive. If it's supposed to be funny...it isn't. Most people are oblivious to what is happening around them and even with their own children. Cops jobs are really tough. Dealing with some immature idiots doesn't really make them too happy when they KNOW the truth about what is happening and how truly dangerous Knoxville and East Tennessee are becoming. Some folks need to let their drunken, pot trashed minds come back from their state of intoxication and start learning to respect the very people they'll be calling when they need help. Sadly, Phil Fulmer buys into these attitudes. Nuff' said.

Posted by DennisVols on January 28, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I stated before "if you do not put yourself in a position to get into trouble you seldom will"
Maybe the officer over reacted, maybe he did not. Until all the facts are in any belief to either side will be un-substantiated.
The bigger question should be why do cities pay the men and woman we depend on to protect us so little that they have to work 2nd jobs. Criminals do not play by the rules, they are criminals. Rules of engagement do not apply to criminals, no warning do they give before they shoot.
Parker’s big mistake was allowing himself to be put into a position that his actions at best are questionable, at worst criminal. I know as young people we make mistakes, but that is not an excuse for making them. Looking at what had happened over the past two weeks one would think any athlete at UT would want to be beyond reproach in his or her activities. You would have to believe that there are those who would seek to see if there is more dirt than we might be lead to believe and you would make sure you r actions did not lead you to be the next pile of dirt bound for the vacuum cleaner.

Posted by bigbluevol on January 28, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bottom line, Parker put himself in a bad spot. He and the cop both could have handled it better. As others have said, there are a lot of things that can be done other than arrest him. Doesn't excuse his behavior, but it doesn't mean that he's a thug or that Fulmer is turning a blind eye to it. geoff, I know that you believe Johnny would have handled this better, but you nor I nor anyone on these boards knows the full story. We never will, either. Parker screwed up, I'm sure he'll be disciplined and I'm sure that whatever his punishment, all the anti-"Foolmerites" won't be happy with it.

Posted by JETnTN on January 28, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rumor I've heard is that this officer had previous issues with AP giving him a little less than 4 or 5 tickets in a month some time back....mmm rumor is they got thrown out by the chief because of officer misconduct..... that's the rumor I've heard!!

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigbluevol.

Hey Bro'. Good post. Yes...I noticed the Majors reference...but it was still a good post.

Posted by lnbadger320 on January 28, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ah another wonderful act by the honest KPD. those are some fine men... i'm sorry, i just couldn't my self being a smart a**. everyone knows that kpd has something against the UT football team.

maybe it's because in high school football players picked on the high school geek. so when the geek graduated they became police and vowed revenge. who knows.

Posted by jevolball7 on January 28, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff; you are a spineless,geek! Keep kissing their butts. Step out of line,they will come take YOU away! Let's make TN. a police state. Wake up and understand,they are civil SERVANTS,with little education, a gun and a badge. SCARY!

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

You don't know anything about me. I will tell you this...I served on two anti-gang task forces in San Diego (one of the worst gang problems in America) and saw stuff you better pray you never see...although gangs are flooding in here now too. If you live in Knoxville (or anywhere in Tennessee), you're odds of becoming a victim of a gang realated crime has increased dramatically, along with the already out of control meth head problem. Yes...keep taunting people you don't know and dissing the cops who you will one day beg to save your behind...the problem is that with MS 13, the first sign of problems for about 40% of their victims is death. Keep laughing jevolball7...it sure is funny. You have no clue what cops face every day...and the antics of uncontrolled Tennessee football players is very small on their list of important business. Too bad it's so small for the University and it's leadership.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/st...

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

By the way..aren't you the paranoid delussional who thought somebody was trying to "reveal you" on this site? Also...maybe you ought to check the educational requirements for the KPD. Just a thought.

Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops I'm on the wrong page. Can someone give me the link to the site where we have spirited banter about sports and while we make it sound like the end of the world, we know it's not?

Posted by ggriggs939 on January 28, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Knoxville and the KPD have had a thing against the University since back in the 40s. During the late 40s, the city made a strong suggestion that the University should leave town (too bad it didn't do so and leave Knoxville to dry up), but pulled in its horns when the University responded that such a move was in the offing. This activity was reported in both newspapers at various times after March 48.
KPD has had a problem with UT students when, according to scuttlebutt, about 1946 some guys made off with a cruiser that was never found. The story was they came out of the movie house on a cold night and found the cruiser with the motor running outside the Tennessee Cafe on W Clinch Avenue.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rabidvol1998.

You have good solid posts.

Example:

On Fulmer meets with players involved in marijuana incident

"The big deal has to do with Stupidity and Respect. We can argue legal issues and what kids do or did. However, this was very stupid to do ;
1) when a new coach is being introduced
2) in a car
3) with a high school recruit

It primarily shows a lack of respect for teammates, coaches and UT.

I trust Coach in these situations and I trust there will be consequences to fit the "crime", including game suspensions."
--------------------------------------------
The "bad cops", thing of which you're not a part gets old. Thats all. The point is that there are REAL worries and these stupid incidents just need to become less a part of it all. It would be nice if a few more used your approach. Keep up the good posts.

Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 11:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff - thanks for the feedback. I will never bash police in general, they have tough and important jobs and deserve our respect. I will however question individual circumstances as in these recent issues.

Thanks for your service in SD.

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 28, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by GerryOP on January 28, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's just leave it at this vol_in_lsu_land. I respect your opinion, will you respect mine? Be well brother.

Hi Gerry.

Thanks for respecting my opinion. I do wonder what this question means though, because I don't believe I adressed you in any way **????**

Posted by jevolball7 on January 28, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Task forces?,gangs?,San Diego? I realize that San Diego is a HOT spot for GANGS.LOL...I thought that this was about a kid yelling. I assure you NO COP will ever save "my rear". Put stupid with a gun and you got a problem my "fiend".You are on a power trip and need to re-read the Constitution!!! I'm done on this subject. Cop,narc.nazi or whatever you are. Live and let live. San Diego and gangs??LOLOLOL. See Chicago or New York for reference. Geek

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

You live in an odd world friend. Good luck.

Posted by dallasdog1 on January 28, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mark richt would have been able to keep this out of the news.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rabidvol1998.

I totally agree about circumstances. I started off...before the "anti cop" stuff got ludicrious, saying I was a bit unsure about this one. But at some point, a reality check needs to be made for some of these posters. By the way...many thanks about SD. Tough neighborhood, dangerous stuff. Sad to see gangs flooding into Tennessee.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rabidvol1998.

My post from yesterday:

Posted by tngeoff on January 26, 2008 at 5:05 p.m.

I rarely have any compassion for players whose coach has just read them his version of the riot act and things still don't change...but even for me...this is a bit hard to follow. Waving your arms and yelling? Dang. Maybe he was doing jumping jacks. I have no idea, but unless there's something much more serious coming from this story...it smells like a three week old dead sturgeon to me.

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 28, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW Geoff.

I totally agree with you on the cop business. I'm a veteran and soldiers catch a lot of flack too. People act like soldiers are uneducated goofballs who are on power trips. They act as if every person who VOL-unteers (yeah) for the military is out to shoot innocent people on street conrners. The police get a similar bad rep.

People don't like other people in authority positions. They don't trust them. Sometimes that distrust is warranted. usually it isn't.

But this story isn't about the arrest or the cops. It's about the reporting. This doesn't deserve to be printed....

And lets look at it from a different angle. It doesn't deserve to be printed because it makes cops look bad. (unfairly)....Forget the UT football player for a moment. This article can be spun just as easily the other way. Nitpicking cops (as indicated by some posts on this article) catching flack because of an unfair article in the KNS.

Plain and simple, this event warranted no attention whatsoever. period.

Posted by rabidvol1998 on January 28, 2008 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff - enjoyed the conversation, time to call it a night. Let's hope the football team doesn't engage in any more behavior that will require the attention of the KPD. I see on Rivals we got an excellent cornerback whom on ESPN did not even have TN in the top 5! Maybe that's what will talk about tomorrow.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rabidvol1998.

Night Bro'. Let's hope!

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vol_in_lsu_land.

Good stuff. By the way...did you ever see the post I replied to you about Maryville?

Posted by dash727 on January 28, 2008 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Screw all of you so called good ole boys. K town cops and their leadership are like many East Tennessee white trash are racists. Black athletes at UT are easy targets for underpaid corpulent chip on their shoulder white cops. When was the only white jock ever arrested at UT. I go back 36 years and I can't recall an arrest. The irony of so many of you is that the few on this cowardly forum that actually attended college you were so much more vulnerable in your day then Mr. Parker. You chastise coach Fulmer and the players while your children and spouses are cheating, having sex, doping, drinking or short of a few chromosomes and are just plain stupid.
Get off the cowardly forum or jump off a bridge please, your choice.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dash727.

Never a dull moment with you. Although I have seen a few more subdued posts you've made.

Posted by jevolball7 on January 28, 2008 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff: I often wonder,as all do,what kind of physical training these 5'9" 300lbs rolling doughnuts could possibly have gone through?? I assure you I am WAY over qualified to be a cop! Who ,in their right mind,would want to be a 20,000$ a year jerk? We have to have some police,all I really want is to make sure they a college degree before they get a gun and badge. Is that too much too ask? By the way, my world isn't odd,it's real. Perhaps I could tutor you. We will just agree to disagree...Back to sports.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

Agreed. Back to sports.

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 28, 2008 at 11:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmm...I think maybe you said you couldn't reply to an email I sent. I'll e-mail ya some time. I don't have the balls to print my e-mail publicly because I don't want all the crazies sending me hate mail. Been there, done that.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

Last non-sports post. Los Angeles and San Diego city and county have very tough requirements and pay better. Maybe locally there can be a refocus on improvement as we will need it! Now...how do you think we'll end up in recruiting? You foresee any great surprises like sphs_vol keeps alluding to?

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on January 28, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dash 727 WTF?

Wasn't that player who got arrested for having three girls in his room and busting his window white? Can't remember who it was.

Get the race card out of it. It's ridiculous and makes you look like a fool.

Posted by tngeoff on January 28, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vol_in_lsu_land.

I hear ya'. Click on tngeoff and you'll see my real name and real e-mail address. I will respond in confidence. I don't worry about the crazies, because as my bumper stick forewarns other drivers, "WARNING. I drive like you do," so goes my philosophy on everything. I am an easy going guy while people are easy going with me. Beyond that...just like they may not have know about your Military Service (Thanks for that Bro'!), they know NOTHING about me really. You can search my name and find plenty of stuff...but it still only shows a partial picture.

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thunder out.

Posted by jevolball7 on January 29, 2008 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff: I probably went overboard. The thing that makes we humans different is the same thing that makes us"fun". I think this forum is "fun". But, I have my opinions,like you do, and that's all they are. Just stating mine. Sorry if I offended. I'll try to stick to sports....BEAT BAMA!!

Posted by nicksjuzunk on January 29, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All that we are saying is pending the truth, which none of us knows if full at this point.

My judgment is definitely based on what I am hearing from police reports and media. I have no other source.

From what I am hearing, AP and others were disturbing the peace in the wee hours. An off duty officer identified himself and told him he needs to chill on the volume. AP decided to call his boys out of the car and kept with the noise.

The officer is correct, they would not have just left quietly as his authority was already being disregarded. I see nothing of race, student athletes or any other situation except for the fact that this had the potential in the officer's eyes to get messy so he apparently dealt with it appropriately.

That is why I say, if the fuzz says you need to chill, you need to chill. If you want to shout about your rights go ahead... but know the law, and that you will be dealt with according to the law.

GO VOLS!!

Posted by nicksjuzunk on January 29, 2008 at 12:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7:

Whew! For a second I thought you might be one of those cats storin up ammunition out in Cocke County waitin for "the reckoning".

Your comments on my "shoulda complied" included go to jail, pay the man, pay court fines etc.

I disagree and think that "shoulda complied is more like this.

"Guys, I'm an officer and you are creating a disturbance. Please reduce your noise or remove yourselves from the premises."

"Sorry officer. We'll keep it down/go home."

That, I feel is reasonable.

Your comments show what happens when you don't comply. i.e. jail, fines, etc.

I agree. BEAT BAMA!

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jevolball7.

Thanks Bro'. Keep the Faith!

nicksjuzunk.

Good posts and Beat "Bama!

Posted by drwfocus on January 29, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My Pappy told me a long time ago a man with a badge can shoot you -- and he usually has a gun to do it with. I have gotten out of many tickets with a respectful "yes sir officer". You will never win an argument one on one against a police officer - right or wrong.

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy cow! I had a post removed!!!??? Dang.

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Was it my uncontrollable laughter?

Posted by bigbluevol on January 29, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff-sorry about the Majors thing, I just couldn't resist. Just an FYI, there was an interesting article in the Chattanooga TimesFreePress today about this. A KPD spokesman said that the arrest would stand, but that the KNS was making a mountain out of a mole hill, basically. I'm sure you can read the article on timesfreepress.com

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bigbluevol.

It's okay Bro'. I deserve it after somwe of my earlier rants! No sweat! Good link too. Thanks.

Posted by GerryOP on January 29, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff(9:17), read somewhere the other day that the last 10 days in January are the toughest days, psychologically speaking, of the year -- cold, dark, dank, holidays over, etc, etc, etc. We'll just write yours/ours/others rants off to that! Hang in there bro, only 3 days to go. BTW, congrats on getting a post removed!

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

I'm with ya'. Yeah...man oh man...a post removed. That was a shocker! Keep the Faith!

This is what I felt like after my discovery of removal:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/357049/...

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Direct link to bigbluevols great find:

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/j...

Posted by pdhuff on January 29, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tngeoff - checked the charts, you're about due for some in-training sessions. I've kept you out of the gone-around-the-bend classes some have been through. Don't know how many more waivers I can sign.

See a few glimmers of this great recruiting leap forward. Chair Mao would be proud. Feb 6 should be a day all of us will be thankful for. The last hurdle to the total doldrums will have been cleared. The spin machines can be unplugged......

Posted by GerryOP on January 29, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting article, Geoff. Ya' know, I heard that there was a rumor on the streets of K'town (How's that for total non-attribution!) that the Pennington article last Fall kind of PO'ed Fulmer and the UTAD. Do you suppose the apparent lockdown on UT news releases from the UTAD and the KNS taking a shot at anything and everything Vol football is the outcome of this supposed feud?

It just seems curious that after that article, the KNS did not seem to have the access they used to. And, when the KNS does get access, it seems that all they get is the "everything is beautiful, in it's own way" mantra. Or ... maybe I am just an old guy with an answer looking for a question!

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

Charts never lie. I am glad that I am not in line for a remedial posting class though. Whatever it takes to make it through the doldrums and the accompanying crashing sound of the spin machines gridning to a halt...I'm ready to face the music.

GerryOp.

Mighty interesting observation. Makes a great deal of sense for sure. Perhaps KNS is repeating the age old adage, "To regret something is to hang yourself with your own noose. Mental suicide.”

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

I did find this link to KNS new theme song though:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vc0MJeZPeh4

Posted by TommyJack on January 29, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff: If you stop the smut peddling, you want get removed! just kiddin. While you and I may have a slightly different take on the fuzz, I don't recall anything "removal worthy".

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack.

Hey TommyJack! How ya' doin'? I think it was my typed uproarious laughter and the accompanying darts flung at Chief Owen. It was a bit over the proverbial egdge, but hard not to say! Keep the Faith and Go Vols! By the way...we do differ on cops. E-mail me one day and let me know why you are where you are on that issue. We are close on most everything else! Including dry humor.

Posted by GerryOP on January 29, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cute, Geoff! I just find it interesting that about the only thing KNS gets from the UTAD are the general press releases and fluff pieces like Hooker got from Fulmer on recruiting the other day. Similar to the piece the weekend before the OC announcement. I guess the "really big news" from that weekend is stuck in the same queue as Fulmer's take on the Parker issue! Whatever! Be well.

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

Seriously. I think you may have hit the nail on the head about the KNS. By the way...Pennsytucky contract is no more. Back in K-Town working on some new stuff.

The "really big news" was never to be. Right though about its position in the queue with many other never ventured, never gained "surprises."

Posted by invisiblekid on January 29, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TNGeoff, sorry if the "rent a cop" comment offended in any way. It was meant to be more of a reflection on the PC state of the world where almost any term describing someone is scrutinized than a lack of respect for police officers in general.

To the contrary, I have a number of former classmates and friends who are on various local, state, and federal agencies, also had a distant relative who was a US Marshal. Back to the story at hand, I still stick with my original post in the first article that this doesn't happen if Parker isn't in the parking lot yelling late at night. All the conspiracy theories around here that the KPD is out to get UT football players is ludicrous. That being said, I am sure there are some officers with better attitudes than others and some who may take pleasure in busting an athlete but they are in the minority. Bottom line is that these players shouldn't put themselves in a situation which may require police involvement.

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

invisiblekid.

Hey Bro'! No problem. You are right on. Keep the Faith!

Posted by GerryOP on January 29, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff, not traveling back and forth to PA. Is that good news or bad news?

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOp.

On one hand...its great! On another...it's not so good! The money was fabulous...but now my wife and I will work on putting together a children's fitness center that we had wanted to do anyway.

Posted by GerryOP on January 29, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff, what a neat idea! Children's fitness, something that is clearly needed. Fitness has become a lost concept along with things like excellence and responsibility! The best of luck to you!

Posted by tngeoff on January 29, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

Thanks Bro'! Great points on "excellence" and "responsibility"...Keep the Faith!

Posted by Realist on January 29, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading numerous comments about this story in here and WBIR, I find it disturbing that most people classify all police as being dirty. The same goes for the football team by calling them thugs. They are all human and make mistakes. It just seems both the police and football teams mistakes always make the news. Whatever! The simple fact here is that Parker could have left free and clear. But he made the CHOICE to go to jail when he did not leave without running his mouth.

Posted by pdhuff on January 29, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This would have never happened at Vandy.

Posted by mmeletiou on January 30, 2008 at 5:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel like I am jumping into this discussion a little late but I live in San Francisco so it's a little earlier for me (and we have gangs here too).. but anyway.. I agree that AP should have obeyed the officer's commands (presuming that he properly identified himself as a police officer), but does yelling and waving your arms seriously justify being arrested now? What constitutes disorderly conduct? I think it is ridiculous that anyone that questions a policeman's actions is a "cop-basher." And what does the story from Atlanta have anything to do with this incident? Were there any guns involved? Did the officer feel his life was threatened? The fact that someone called AP's actions "criminal" and compared them to a world-wide gang who "do not play by the rules, they are criminals. Rules of engagement do not apply to criminals, no warning do they give before they shoot" is ridiculous! What does this have anything to do with a college student who is admittedly acting like an idiot? tngeoff, while your's and our soldier's sacrifices are appreciated, I do not and will not live in the fear that you seem to advocate for us and our society. That said, you seem like a very reasonable guy, so i digress. Where did the "really big news" thing originate? I read this site almost every day and never saw its origin. Any new recruits? GO VOLS!