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Walker's life finds light after untimely death
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Marshall Walker holds a photo of his brother, Jackie, from 1970 when the University of Tennessee linebacker was named All-American. Jackie Walker died in 2002.
Jackie Walker was an All-American linebacker at the University of Tennessee during the 1970 and 1971 seasons.
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Small fingers pressed to a name carved in marble.
Turns out that's all it takes to feel the power of an All-American.
In November, Marshall Walker took his 10-year-old nephew to the University of Tennessee campus and showed him the name etched in a 139-foot slab of Tennessee cedar marble. There it is now, sandwiched between Drew Baron and Gary Theiler four rows from the bottom, dead center in the third of three huge monuments bearing the name of every letter-winning athlete in Tennessee history. The name is easy to miss, blending as it does with thousands of swimmers and runners, point guards and quarterbacks.
But that one name - Jackie Walker - jumped out of history and touched Matthew Gayles as much as he touched it.
"He didn't say anything," says Marshall, Jackie Walker's older brother. "He just rubbed his hand on it. He was silent."
The tour continued inside the Neyland Thompson Sports Center, where they saw Jackie's name and picture along with Tennessee's 70 football All-Americans. Next they went to the indoor practice field and found Jackie Walker again, this time in a black-and-white photo, arms outstretched.
He's leaping at the camera. He's leaping right at Matthew.
"The comment my little nephew made was, 'Uncle Marshall, I didn't know Uncle Jackie was that famous,' " Marshall says. "He felt so good. His chest stood out the whole time."
But as proud as his nephew was, Marshall Walker couldn't help but wonder that if his own blood had never heard Jackie's story, about the road of opportunity he helped pave and the humble, selfless way he paved it, who else would remember the SEC's first black All-American?
Who else would remember the grace and class with which he handled himself, both as a black man and a gay man in times short on tolerance?
Walker's induction into the Greater Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame on Thursday night, some 40 years after Jackie Walker left Fulton High School for Tennessee, is a step toward making sure people remember.
Numbers don't tell story
Jackie Walker's credentials speak for themselves, no matter how much Walker downplayed them throughout his life.
"Let's see, he was a two-time All-American, a team captain. He had the record for interceptions and fumble recoveries for touchdowns," says former UT teammate Tim Priest, who also is a member of the hall's board. "He was a really great player, and he was also a trailblazer in being one of the early African-Americans who played in the SEC."
Marshall Walker, himself a standout football player whose college career ended because of a knee injury, has a more succinct way of putting it.
"Whenever you mention his name, you can always put 'the first' in front of it," says Marshall Walker.
Jackie Walker was the first black athlete from Fulton to attend Tennessee on scholarship. In 1970, he became the first black player from the SEC to earn All-America honors. He made four All-America teams in 1971, the year he became the first black football player in SEC history to be named a captain. At UT, Walker finished with more than 300 career tackles. And he did it while playing at about 170 pounds.
"He played like a 220-pounder," says UT coach Phillip Fulmer, an alternate captain with Walker on the 1971 team.
Tennessee has no official statistics for Walker's sophomore season in 1969 aside from his two interceptions. But in 1970, he had 132 tackles and 126 more in 1971. He finished with 11 career interceptions - an impressive total for a linebacker - and, with his five interception returns for touchdowns, remains tied for the NCAA record with three other players. And all three of those players - Ken Thomas, Deltha O'Neal and Darrent Williams - played defensive back.
The numbers themselves say plenty, but those who played with and coached Walker said it was the way he made those plays that set him apart.
"He made it look easy," Priest said. "I remember two or three times on an interception, I'd try to get in front of him (to block). I couldn't catch him."
One year, Alabama coach Bear Bryant made Walker the primary responsibility of at least two, sometimes three blockers to keep him away from the ball. But perhaps the best story of Walker's talent comes from a film session at Tennessee.
Lon Herzbrun, who was Walker's coach at Fulton for the Falcons' undefeated run to the 1967 state championship before joining UT's staff as linebackers coach in 1969, was dissecting game film with his players when Jamie Rotella piped up with a question.
Rotella, one of four linebackers who earned first-team All-America honors at Tennessee during Herzbrun's eight seasons there, watched as Walker's flickering image played matador with an opposing fullback on a running play.
Rotella piped up, asking why Walker didn't get an earful for not taking on the blocker. Herzbrun shot back, "Can you do that?"
Almost no one could do what Jackie Walker did. On or off the football field.
Blazing the Trail
Forty years later, it's hard to imagine the struggles players like Jackie Walker and Lester McClain, who became UT's first black football player in 1968, endured just to play a game.
The racial epithets, and sometimes objects, hurled from the stands. The varied forms of racism, some subtle and some shameless, that wouldn't go away. The sheer ignorance tossed their way on a daily basis from those who feared someone because of the color of their skin.
Driving with Walker to the Sugar Bowl in 1970, Herzbrun saw for himself the kinds of things Walker and other black players of that era faced.
"We were going to play Air Force," Herzbrun said. "We stopped at a restaurant, and they wouldn't serve us. You can't fight all that. More important than anything, you could be an example and a good example."
Walker's example was sterling. Teammates like Priest and Rotella recall a humility from Walker that belied his immense talent.
With continued opportunities for other black athletes at stake, Walker quietly answered any questions about whether black players could handle the spotlight at an SEC school.
Walker did better than survive. He thrived.
Haywood Harris, Tennessee's sports information director at the time, said Walker was the most requested player for interviews during his senior season. And like his teammates, he never ducked a request.
"If there was any doubt in your mind about equality, when you were in his presence, you realized that he was the man," Rotella said. "It wasn't a question of was he equal to you, it was were you equal to him."
By voting Walker captain in 1971, thus making him the first black player to captain an SEC team, his teammates' answer was clear.
"He was somebody I considered a very good friend while we were in school. He was a leader with his work ethic and his play," Fulmer said. "He was a great practice player. I don't remember him missing a practice."
And when his playing days ended, Walker didn't seem to miss football.
A sixth-round draft pick of the San Francisco 49ers in 1972, Walker was cut near the end of training camp. The 49ers wanted Walker to play defensive back, a position more suited to his size in the NFL.
"He never played defensive back," Herzbrun said. "He could have been a great strong safety. They can say it's because he's gay or this or that. But they didn't give him time. He would have been a great one (in the NFL), too."
After a chance with the Washington Redskins didn't pan out, he walked away from football. Turns out, he had other things to do.
Life after football
The best way David Smith can describe his friend of more than 25 years is a renaissance man.
How else do you sum up a football star who taught tennis for the city of Atlanta, traveled all over the country and to places like Africa and Europe?
What else fits a man who worked for AT&T, Sprint, an insurance company and with paroled criminals?
"When he walked into a room, he had a presence. Everywhere he went," says Smith. "If we went to the mayor's house or we went to the 'hood, they dealt with him first."
Walker, though, always seemed to deal with himself last.
Shortly after he met Walker as a co-worker with Atlanta's parks and recreation department, Smith's life began to change.
Early in their friendship, Walker asked Smith why he still lived in a rough part of town. The answer was that Smith, who struggled with dyslexia, was too ashamed of his poor reading skills to fill out an application for an apartment in a better neighborhood.
So Walker went with him to fill out the application. Then he found the phone number for a program that assisted people with learning disabilities and even accompanied Smith to a few classes.
After seeing one of Smith's drawings in a supply room at the tennis center, he kept after Smith to pursue a career in art.
Smith got married at Walker's family home in Knoxville. And when Smith's wife left him to care for their two young daughters after she came out as a lesbian, Walker helped his friend understand and deal with the pain.
"I can't imagine living my life not knowing Jackie Walker," says Smith, who adopted the name Da'Vu after achieving some renown as an artist.
More than almost anyone else, Smith knew the rare kind power Jackie Walker had in the lives of others.
"He dealt with everything by being a doer," Smith says. "He helped all kinds of people. He didn't judge. If he didn't judge, people around him didn't judge."
And so it was that Smith, a straight man, accompanied Walker to support group meetings for those struggling with HIV after Walker was diagnosed with the disease in the early 1990s.
He watched his friend manage its effects in the early years, although it eventually meant Walker couldn't travel as much.
And, on a rare trip to the mountains in East Tennessee in Walker's later years, Smith watched how his friend handled himself when a waitress refused to serve him after Walker told her of his disease.
"He dealt with AIDS with dignity," Smith said. "He never whined and said, 'Why me?' He was just a leader. He overcame."
Eventually, though, the disease took its toll. His kidneys began to fail around 2000, and his 6-foot frame withered from about 215 pounds to 165.
Marshall Walker would drive to Atlanta when Jackie had to be hospitalized, sometimes for weeks at a time. Smith, who lived just a few miles away, spent nearly every one of Jackie Walker's last days caring for his best friend.
In 2002, Jackie Walker died of complications from AIDS. And there's rarely a day that Smith or Marshall Walker don't think of Jackie.
"Without being cocky, he reminded me of a king the way he carried himself," Smith said. "He had a presence about him. I realized that more when he was gone."
Gone, but Marshall Walker wanted to make sure his brother wasn't forgotten.
'Stuck in neutral'
Only once did Jackie Walker talk to his brother about his sexual orientation.
Marshall had recently transferred from Florida A&M to Tennessee, and one day met his brother outside his dormitory on campus. Jackie didn't seem like himself, and Marshall asked what was wrong.
The reply, as Marshall tells the story now, was that Jackie's then-girlfriend was upset because Jackie had just told her he was gay.
"That was the first time he ever said that to me," Marshall said. "We never talked about that again for the rest of his life."
Shortly thereafter, word began to circulate about Jackie's sexual orientation, which he made no effort to hide after his senior season. Various people even claimed to have seen Jackie around town dressed as a woman, something his brother and others attribute to Jackie's striking resemblance to his sister and that the similar hairstyles worn by the two for a time.
The revelation about Walker's sexuality definitely played against type. The Saturday afternoon star, the All-American athlete who dropped jaws with his ability and made girls swoon, was gay?
"I was as shocked as anybody when that came out," says Rotella. "But I respect him even more."
Says Marshall, "They probably wouldn't have believed it because when you mention Jackie back then, he looks like this All-American ballplayer and a captain of the ball team. They were kind of stuck on neutral I guess."
The way some see it, the Greater Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame was stuck in neutral, too.
Walker became eligible for induction in 1976, five years after he left UT. But classes came and went, hundreds were inducted and Walker's legacy began to fade in his hometown.
In November, Betty Bean wrote a story in Metro Pulse questioning whether Walker had been denied induction into the Knoxville hall of fame, and others like the Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame and the College Football Hall of Fame, because of his sexuality. Marshall Walker and Herzbrun, among others, couldn't imagine any other reason why a player of Jackie Walker's status hadn't been inducted long ago.
"I think the reason he wasn't in the hall of fame is because of his sexual orientation. I think a lot of stories were made up about him," Herzbrun says. "He should have been in long before me. If anybody should be in for what they've accomplished, it's him."
Many former teammates, and even those on the hall of fame's nine-person selection committee, said they assumed he had already been inducted. With Walker living in Atlanta as the years passed, his accomplishments continued to fade.
Jimmy Hyams, who has spent more than 25 years covering sports for the News Sentinel and as co-host of SportsTalk on WNML, said Walker's name had never surfaced in discussions since he joined the selection committee in 2000 until this year.
And, he said, Walker's sexual orientation played no role in either his inclusion or the length of time it took to get there.
"That was never an issue, no matter what people think," Hyams said, adding that he can only speak for his time on the committee.
And if it was an issue, why do it now? If those in charge cared so much about excluding Walker, why choose to induct him after denying him for 32 years?
Regardless, Marshall Walker and those who knew Jackie Walker are glad the day finally arrived even though he didn't live to see it.
"I think he'd just have a big smile on his face and really wouldn't have a whole lot to say," says Rotella. "But I think he'd be smiling from ear to ear."
The story will go on
When Jackie Walker is inducted Thursday night along with nine others, plenty of old teammates and friends will be in the Knoxville Convention Center to celebrate.
Rotella will make the trip from his home in Atlanta. Herzbrun will be there, too. Priest and Fulmer will be there as inductees themselves. Despite his battle with cancer former UT linebacker Ray Nettles will make the trip from Florida.
But among all the family, friends and teammates who will be there, the Walker family's guest of honor is Matthew Gayles.
Shortly after learning his uncle's story last fall, Gayles had to give a presentation at school about his hero.
His choice was easy, after touching that name for the first time just months ago. Armed with pictures of his uncle and stories from newspapers and family, he told his uncle's story. That his project earned him an 'A' was just an added bonus for Marshall Walker.
"I felt good," Marshall says, "about that."
Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.
© 2008, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.
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Posted by FLAVOLS on July 12, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very nice Column!
Posted by vol1994 on July 12, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
great column. we need more stories like this.
Posted by jcvet on July 12, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If I could pick an all time TN team , Jackie would easily be my first choice at OLB. He was a great football player and a good man.
Posted by Ironcity on July 12, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great story. Its about time.
Posted by bobbarbilly on July 12, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the memories Jackie.
Posted by BSweet on July 12, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kudos to Drew Edwards for an awesome article. Jackie was well before my time, but his story is very poignant and touching. Here's to a true Volunteer legend!
Posted by pdhuff on July 12, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great read. Jackie Walker played LB like he was searching for the man who keyed his car.
Search and destroy.
Posted by volaboard on July 12, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Too bad Adams. You have no chance of repeating as top columnist.
Posted by soddydaisy777 on July 12, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I watched Jackie play, it brought chills bumps out on me. He was awesome. If i had to pick, he was the best linebacker ever. We had great linebackers back then. We need more of them in today's time. Thanks Jackie!!
Posted by cjraney on July 12, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nice story. My thanks to Jackie Walker for giving his all for Tennessee.
Posted by andefromtn on July 12, 2008 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jackie Walker deserved to be inducted long before now. He was an outstanding athlete here in Knoxville, not only as a UT athlete but also as a Fulton Falcon. It is shame that Jackie won't be able to celebrate this honor in person because for whatever reason Hall of Fame was slow to recognize him. In his early years of eligibly, it was probably a mixture of his color and gay status that kept him out. Slowly as the color became less an issue, Jackie being a gay man most likely blocked his entry. It is about time that he was honored, because two things are certain, when he stepped onto a football field, it wasn't his color or being gay that people saw. On a football field, they saw one of the best athlete to ever wear maroon and white or orange and white.
Posted by 64vol on July 12, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You will be missed Mr. Walker.
Posted by KingsportVol on July 12, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Drew great stuff.
Posted by General_Watermelon on July 13, 2008 at 12:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Glad I got to see him play. He was a sensational talent. Agree with the comments above.
Posted by mparker on July 13, 2008 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I was just a little kid when these guys played, but Jackie Walker, Rotella, Nettles, Kiner,...I can remember 'em to this day.
Those old Vol teams were so much fun.
Glad no one has harped on the gay stuff. I learned in college that people are just what they are, they don't 'choose' to be something. I guess I'd say 'college' because it was the first time I ever knew people who were openly homosexual.
Posted by RJ_Vol on July 13, 2008 at 1:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That was a really well written article. KNS needs to hold on to Drew Edwards.
Posted by txsvol on July 13, 2008 at 5:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
With Kiner and Walker playing the outside 'backers, and Hacksaw in the middle, has there ever been a better threesome on the field than the 1969 Vols? SAVol
Posted by txsvol on July 13, 2008 at 5:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All were All-Americas! SAVol
Posted by movol77 on July 13, 2008 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Who are the other nine? Can we find stories about them too?
Posted by richvol on July 13, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a terrific job by Drew and a story that needed to be told.
Jackie played his first year at linebacker with two all-americans...Steve Kiner and Hacksaw Reynolds. It was obvious to anyone who knew football that he was the best player on the field.
Bear Bryant obsessed about blocking him and admitted to commiting two men on every play just to try to keep him under control. It didn't work very well as I vividly remember Jackie stomping into the turf three Alabama players on his way to the endzone with an interception. He was a terror on the football field.
Posted by sevenmaxims on July 13, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He was 175 pounds of thunder and lightning. A truly great player.
Posted by DenmarkVol on July 13, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great story about a great Volunteer. Chief, can you find another three like Walker, Kiner, and Reynolds?
Probably not as they only come along once in a very rare while.
God bless, Walker family.
Posted by tngeoff on July 13, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
txsvol.
Exactlty right. That WAS why we became known as linbacker u! Those three were all incredible! Jackie Walker was great fun to watch play football. He was a fantatsic player with fantastic heart and will to win.
Drew. One of the best columns in a long time here in mu opinion. Congratulations.
This honor was noticeably slow in coming to reality and that's a shame.
mparker.
Jamie Rotella (Jersey Boy) and Ray Nettles were fantastic as well. Other names that contributed to the linebacker u recognition and of course Lon Herzbron's coaching combined with that talent was formidable. Art Reynolds wasn't as heralded, but he was a star as well. Still sorry his son didn't get to come to UT. I'll never forget Art's long return of either a fumble or interception where he had a vanguard of players surrounding him to block for him. He wasn't the fastest (BUT HE WAS TOUGH) and it seemed like that return took forever. As he ran he had his head down and later quipped that he was counting the yard markers as he ran and that was why he didn't go that fast! He was a character.
Posted by TommyJack on July 13, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A tip of the hat to the KNS.
Posted by orangebloodgmc on July 13, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That was a great article about a great Vol. Was his playing weight really that light, 170-something? I had no idea.
Posted by john on July 13, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I still remember a play he made against Alabama. Jackie got up field and met the quarterback just as he was trying to hand off on an off tackle play to the right; Jackie collided with the quarterback and the would be ball carrier, took the ball, and headed for the end zone; greatest play I ever saw a Volunteer defender make. No wonder the Bear was obsessed! Walker, Kiner, and Reynolds; easily the best trio of linebackers to ever where orange.
Posted by pms151 on July 13, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Very noble article. However did Fulmer duck the gay issue with his statement:"He was somebody I considered a very good friend while we were in school. He was a leader with his work ethic and his play," Fulmer said. "He was a great practice player. I don't remember him missing a practice."
"While we were in school" sounds as if after his senior season when his homosexuality became common knowledge Fulmer was no longer friends with him. Anyone else pick up on that?
Posted by john on July 13, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pms - I think you're reading way too much into that one!
Posted by tngeoff on July 13, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
john.
Agreed and not really necessary to bring that issue up here on a page of tribute to a dead Vol great in my opinion.
Posted by arkyvol on July 13, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i was in school when jackie played. i still think he was one of the best to ever have played at U.T. i thought he had overcome racial prejudice by sheer dint of his ability. as many others did, i also heard the rumors. now, i know that jackie had to deal with another prejudice almost as invidious as race. a half century ago, we were assured by the preachers that segregation was god's plan. that has generally disappeared. now we are told that it is our duty as christians to hate people like jackie. perhaps it won't be long before that too becomes something we are ashamed of.
Posted by LanceR24 on July 13, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this was the best article i have read on here in a long time good job guys.
Posted by jonathan81254 on July 13, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great article about a great man and a great player. I started watching UT football while he was still playing and he was a man among, uh, younger men. Doubt for a minute that Fulmer is ducking the issue of his orientation here.
Posted by RichRollin on July 13, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nice KNS!! Big ups to Jackie Walker. Bigger ups to the University of Tennessee, first black captain in SEC history, 1st black All-American from SEC!! A major milestone for the institution.
Posted by pms151 on July 13, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not a full time CPF basher. I just wonder why that statement was so PC sounding. I meant no disrespect to anyone.
Posted by ldisavol4life on July 13, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As i read this story lots of emotions were stired within me.Jackie Walker was my hero; growing up in Alabama as a Tennessee fan was tough especially in the 70's. I was around 10 years old and every day after school playing football in the back yard or in a neighbors yard especially the yard of a family of famous bama players. We used names of famous players when we played. When i played defence it was Always Jackie Walker. I was proud to pronounce his name and believe me all the bamers knew his name, one played aginst him. Thanks for the Article and his induction into the Knoxville HOF is past due. Go vols and God bless the Walker family.
Posted by bobbarbilly on July 13, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that this is the first time that I can remember that so many posters have come together in like mind and of one accord. Good job guys.
Posted by BSweet on July 13, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think CPF was ducking the gay issue. I'd say Jackie was someone he looked up to, but after college, they lost touch somewhat. That's not uncommon. Think about all the people you considered friends, be it in college or high school, and how many of those people you still have contact with now. I would wager only a select few. Life moves on and people grow apart as they make their way through it. That's just how it is.
Posted by rthestar on July 13, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was at UT in the days of Walker & Mcclain & became friends with & later had as a client Lester. I can say as a white man that I never saw either of these very fine men as anything but strong men, sports heroes, and in the case of Lester --a friend.
When we would play basketball on the various courts around the campus & the community , I don't remember ever an issue of color or sexuality or anything more than the great abilities of each player & the many that would follow an easier path because of them.
Those judging articles for writing awards for value ,for content, for perspective in those votes for TN writers awards( like just recently announced) should consider this type atricle instead of the faulty opinions and vindictive gaseous emmissions produced by JOHN ADAMS. Or to be more clear..If HBO knew the kns version of JOHN ADAMS they would have named their very grerat show about the former president something else....
Posted by splinterdand on July 13, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I loved watching Jackie Walker play. One of my all time favorite Vols. But, I was just a kid then and had no idea about all the racial stuff that he and others had to endure. How pathetic. Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone could/would view ballgames and life in general through a child's eyes and perspective. Live and let live. Rest in peace, Jackie Walker.
Posted by murrayvol on July 13, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is truly a great article about one of the best there ever was. Thanks Drew and you might want to create some mantle space for the award that's sure to come.
I find Jimmy Hyams' comments, for lack of a better description, interesting. Jackie's credentials were impeccable from day one and yet "his name had never surfaced in discussions" during his 8 year membership. Had I been in Hyams posistion Jackie Walker's name would have surfaced immediately. He was as good a football player as I've ever seen.
Posted by threehundredbowler on July 13, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arkyvol,If your church is teaching you that you are to hate anyone for any reason,you need to change churches.The bible teaches we are to love one another even as christ loved us and gave himself for us.God is a God of love and if we go against that teaching we need to examine ourselves.
Posted by RichRollin on July 13, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like I said, First black captain in SEC. First black All-American from SEC!!! Something for the University to be REALLY,REALLY proud of!!!!
Posted by RichRollin on July 13, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Something for Fulton High and The City of Knoxville to be proud of!!!!
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 13, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
300 Bowler....well put. God Loves the sinner but not the sin. He was a great player and loved by all Big Orange Fans. I'm happy for his family to share in this moment. Congrats.
For those who don't like my sin comment, reference
Leviticus ch 20 vs 13.
There is one thing about the bible. Either every word of it is true, or absolutely none of it is. You can't pick and choose what suits you!
Go Big Orange.
Posted by tngeoff on July 13, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok_Etop.
Good post. Plus...what so many folks who spin the Bible the way they prefer it...Jesus COMMANDED not asked if it was convenient us to live the life he set forth which included repenting and turning from sin. Not keep doing it and think everythings a ok.
Posted by bobbarbilly on July 13, 2008 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Romans 12:2
Posted by texan on July 13, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
God and Jesus have nothing to do with this. Take your arguments to the Republican convention. Quit wasting space here.
Posted by givim6 on July 13, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dignity, Class, and Personal Inner Fortitude.
Jackie Walker!
Posted by bobbarbilly on July 13, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
texan, opinions vary.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 13, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BobbarBilly
Great Verse in Romans. I had that one underlined.
Texan
God and Jesus have a place everywhere. I don't believe anyone was forcing any belief on you. Simply posting a Bible verse in response to a post made by another poster. You are entitled to your opinion, as we are ours. Sorry to hear you have no place for God and Jesus.
Lets assume that your beliefs are correct. When you and I die, we end up in nothingness together.
Now lets assume my beliefs are correct. Then there is a choice of 2 places you would go. One is much hotter than Texas!!
Hope I can meet you all up there!
Accept the posts as they were meant to be. If you don't believe, we accept that as well. Its all good. No need to take political party shots out of anger. I love Texans too!!
Go Big Orange (not burnt orange)
Posted by texan on July 13, 2008 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Rok I ain't from Texas I just live here. And you might change your view on which place is hotter if you were in Houston today. No offense meant just posting my opinion. There is only one UT and it ain't in Austin!
Posted by pdhuff on July 13, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jimmy Streater....
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 13, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Texan
No offense taken. Glad you're not a horns fan. God Bless and Go Big Orange!!
Posted by HBKGault on July 13, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've come to Govols.com almost everyday since I first found out about it... which seems like forever. I even used my little time I got on the internet while deployed overseas going to govols... although it was the 2005 season so it only made me more depressed lol. I often read people's replies on here, but I've hardly ever commented myself. I had a brief stint like 7 years ago where I posted as the Rock and spoke like his wrestling character did.
Anyways, as a Fulton high grad (class of '94) and lifelong obsessive Vols fan. I had to comment on this story and most of the great comments by the posters on here. This was the best story I've read on this site as far as being both informative and inspiring (minus the comments to make this great story somehow related to religion). Reading people's postive comments and reaction was inspiring to. There may be hope for us after all.
Just a great,great... well done story. I just had to say THANKS!!
Posted by TommyJack on July 13, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HBKGault: On the money.
Posted by utwick on July 13, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Every kid that runs through the "T" should be aware of the groundbreakers such as Jsckie Walker. The adversity he dealt with on and off the field, how he handled himself with dignity and played way beyond his size. If our present team played with the same heart, then there would be no complainers or whiners on this site. Why did it take so long to induct him in to this HOF?????
Posted by utwick on July 13, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Texan,
I'm with you. I live in Austin and the real UT is not in the Lone Star state. Go Vols and thank you, Jackie Walker.
Posted by jcvet on July 13, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a shame. In Wikipedia, under "TN Volunteer football players", Jackie Walker is not even listed on a list that includes over 200 players. First black SEC All American, first SEC black team captain, two time TN ALL American, NCAA record for interceptions returned for TD. I saw others on that list who would probably be afraid to line up against him. All you hackers need to get him on that list and write a great article like this one about him.
Posted by BSweet on July 13, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Um... I don't think you have to hack wiki to add him to the list. Isn't it open to anyone to add info? I'm not a wiki expert but I think that's how it works.
Posted by jcvet on July 13, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey BSweet, by "hacker" I meen't someone who is good at typing good articles not someone who can break into a computer. Excuse my ignorance I guess I used the wrong term.
Posted by edvol on July 13, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
are you kidding me -- this inspirational story and we are quoting Leviticus? I suppose then it's ok to have slaves? readers -- Walker was born the wonderful man he was...on and off the football field. God made him this way...and we are all better for it! i'm so glad i go to my church and not some of yours! Amen and bless the Walkers!
Posted by BSweet on July 13, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No problem jc. I wasn't being rude, I just thought maybe you were unsure how wiki worked. I'm not very computer knowledgeable myself. Just posting on here taxes my limits. :)
Posted by et_vol_fan on July 13, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
edvol,
I'm glad that I don't go to your church! Nobody is born that way. Get a clue.
He was a great player and well deserves this honor. Just to bad he couldn't have lived to accept the accolades.
Posted by mparker on July 13, 2008 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting commetns. as for cpf, I'm sure there have been quite a few gay players over the years, something phil would have leaned to deal with.
I agree totally with the one sentiment: when you are a kid, you don't care as much about color. I'll admit to growing up in a house that wasn't RACIST, yet was. By that, I mean we were probably like Archie Bunker and George Jefferson, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, I rooted for Haskell, Condredge, Stanley Morgan....and it really did make a differnece in how I grew up.
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 12:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
et vol fan: How do you know?
Posted by chrisw2967 on July 14, 2008 at 1:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
et_vol:
Im sure glad I dont attend your church, God gives us choices to make , he doesnt make us how he wants us to turn out thats why we choose the paths we take in life , right or wrong. you didnt like the Leviticus quote ? they must leave that chapter out at your church huh ?
Posted by TheVolMan on July 14, 2008 at 1:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Amen edvol--well said...
Posted by 55Vol on July 14, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well written article Drew. Jackie Walker was arguably the best linebacker to have played at Tennessee so far. Exceptional speed, tremendous explosion at impact, great cover skills. He will be missed.
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that many biblical scholars would take the opinion that Leviticus is NOT the inerrant word of God.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Edvol
Can you show me in the bible where God commanded us to have slaves?? They did exist, but not sure he requested we have them. Also, if your church does not use the Holy Bible, you may want to rethink where you spend your Sunday Mornings. And if they do use the Holy Bible, you may want to question why they skip over parts to avoid the tough questions.
Tommy Jack
So these Bible Scholars you hang out with, are they just making an educated guess??? What if they are wrong??
Either every word of the Bible is true, or none of it is. You can't pick and choose what is right for you. We all fall short of the Bibles expectations, but we should strive to follow the commands of God. Leviticus is a book of the Bible and there are commands there. Ask your preacher!!
Everything you do is a choice. Don't kid yourself on that.
I don't recall anyone on here bashing the article, the writer, the player, or the family. We all can respect the job he did at UT and the doors he opened up for those to follow.
Again, Great Article!!!!!
If you don't have the same beliefs others do, that's OK too. You have that choice. Hopefully we can go together to set at Gods throne and get his explanation of his great book The Holy Bible. I know I will be there. Look for me if you make it. I will be the one in the big orange number 16 jersey!!
Go Big Orange!
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok: I can tell that you are steeped in biblical study.
Posted by volfan on July 14, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What Rok_Etop said !!!
Posted by 98reax on July 14, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
((Posted by texan on July 13, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
God and Jesus have nothing to do with this. Take your arguments to the Republican convention. Quit wasting space here.))
It will be a sad thing when you say this to them (God & Jesus) face to face. That day is coming. Please know that they have everything to do with everything.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Not really steeped in study. Also not really trying to push anything on you or anyone else. It says what it says, and it is what it is. Take it or leave it. I just have a hard time with all the feel good religions where anything goes. I don't care what the sign says outside your church, as long as they open the Holy Bible and teach the word. If they avoid it, they are falsely teaching.
Its a great book with plenty of great advice that would help anyone in their day to day life. I just encourage that you use it in its entirety.
Go Big Orange!
Posted by RichRollin on July 14, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Rok-Etop, what denomination are you? Maybe non of my buisness but you sure are jugemental towards others. One can practice their religion the way they want, and because they don't practice the way you do does not mean they are doomed for hell. Some people know every verse in the BIBLE and are on a 1 way ticket to hell, because they use all of their time judging others lifestyle or judging others religion.
Posted by 98reax on July 14, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
2 Timothy 3:16 & 17 states all scripture is given for (a list of things), go read it and study it for yourself. Bottom line is: we cannot leave out any of the Bible. It is all, (including Leviticus) important.
Posted by leedsvol2007 on July 14, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Its long past time that Jackie Walker received the recognition he so richly deserved.
We have been blessed with so many great linebackers over the years and if you compiled a list of the top ten of all-time at Tennessee Walker would have to be included at or near the top of that list.
He played for 3 years at Tennessee the way Jerrod Mayo played last year only with better pass coverage ability. He hit like Mayo.
I believe the greatest defense performance I have witnessed as a Tennessee fan was the 1971 victory over Penn State. Walker was a major contributor that day.
That Penn State team had 9 All-Americans and featured Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell. Individually while the two played together they only had one game where neither rushed for 100 yards. That was the 1971 game. Walker along with Bobby Majors dominated that game.
He was all football player.
GoVols!
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DaddyVol
Please tell me where I'm judgemental?? Please show me where I said anyone was going to hell?? I'm stating the bible as I've read it and I've been very fair with everyone on here. Believe what you want to believe. I'm not forcing anything on anyone. You are responsible for yourself only. Enjoy what you do and what you believe!! I will be judged by God the same as you!!! I'm simply stating biblical facts. If you don't believe them, that's your choice!!! I'm not judging you!! Its not my job to do that.
As I stated before, denomination on the church sign means nothing to me. My pastor opens the bible and preaches from cover to cover. The bible speaks nothing about any denomination being superior.
Please show me where I've been judgemental?
I do feel hate toward Bama and the Gators!! I'm human!! I sin!!!
Go Big Orange
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok e top: I think what started the whole deal was someone (me?) questioning biblical references with respect to this article. Seems to me the article's intent was to honor a deceased, former vol great. I just don't think it was the proper forum for biblical references and condemnations.
Was a celebration of a man's life.
IMO
Posted by RichRollin on July 14, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe judegemental was the wrong choice of words, my bad. Hey Rok-Etop, I respect your views, and if Hating Bama or Florida is a sin then we are all DOOMED!!
Posted by bobbarbilly on July 14, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ya' know, baseball is a great game and I have always thought that ol' Abner was sort of a closet philosopher by the way that he designed the game to be so much like life. We get to run the bases and each base can be considered a different stage of life and when we round third heading for home,that ol' umpire is going to be there and as we cross the plate, running or sliding, he is going to say one of two things. Safe or out. I think God is like that ol' ump. He is going to make the final call from two choices. Safe or out.We have no input. He alone has the final say. We are to play by the rules and recruit new team members. 1st John 2:6
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack, I agree. I gave the article its props many times. Walker was a great player and deserves the recognition. Not sure how we got to biblical discussion, but it happens.
Thanks DaddyVol. I respect your views too. Life is not a sprint, its a marathon. Hopefully everone is on the same page when their 26.2 miles is up!
And Bobbarbilly...............great reference to being either out, or safe. He is the big ump. My guess is if you question him, he will be able to revert to the JumboTron to show you why you are safe or out.
I just wanna be safe by a mile brother!!!!!!
Go Big Orange
Posted by junder13 on July 14, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great article! I wished I had seen this guy play. He must've been unbelievable. I'm very proud that UT had the first African American All-American and team captain in the SEC. We definitely have our faults as an institution, but that is something we can be proud of. Based on the article, it couldn't have been bestowed on a more deserving player. Congrats to him and his family (too bad he's not alive for this honor).
Regarding the religious debate going on: perhaps we should let it go. I will say that those whose statements about how there was prominent racism back then that has lessened and hopefully the same will occur towards those with different sexual orientation need to realize that Christians are taught to love all (love the sinner, hate the sin). Now I'm not making any comments about homosexuality except that those who practice hatred towards anyone with different beliefs are not acting as Christ would. Christ dinned with sinners and placed important roles with woman (something that never occurred in His time). He also set a great example with the Samaritan--a Persian who Jewish people in that time would not associate with--to only give a few examples of his radical openness and love for all (He always condemned the sin, however). My point is simply this: for those who say Christians are narrow-minded and prejudice or hateful towards those who don't share their beliefs (or anything similar), they are as equally misled as the accused. Christians should base their life on the example of Jesus Christ--an example that is flawless and, therefore, impossible to fully realize. Those "Christians" who portray hatred, unfortunately, are not living a true Christian example. Also, someone above commented that comments about Jesus should be saved for the Republican convention is misled too. Whether a Christian is Republican or Democrat should be separate from their beliefs, as neither party represents the Christian message in the Bible very well. Finally, to say that religious comments do not belong here is fine, but just realize that our beliefs teach us to carry the message everywhere. So when someone first commented that hopefully society (Christians, I seem to remember being inferred or specified) will stop hating ppl of different orientation like society has finally lessened racism towards those of different color, a few ppl of Christian faith stood up for our faith in pointing out this misunderstanding. Sorry for the long post, but my faith is dragged in the mud for the faults of people who in no way represent my Lord and Savior in the appropriate manner, and I am compelled to stand up for my faith and my Lord.
Jackie Walker was a great player from what I've read and, again, I wish I had seen him play. Blessings to his family and Go Vols!!!
Posted by junder13 on July 14, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Drew Edwards did a phenominal job with this story. I reread it and he is quite a writer. Good job Drew and KNS. Walker's story is quite amazing to be have been kept quiet for so long and should be told and retold until that changes!
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
98reax
Good verses. Also in the last chapter of Revelation (can't think of verse off of the top of my head), it clearly states that nobody is to add to, or delete from the bible as it is or you are in big trouble mister!!
Obviously thats not the exact script, but its easy to find.
Also it says to love mankind, but it doesnt specifically say Bama, or Gators, so we are good to go on that one!!! Also I heard that the B and T buttons were switched on the typewriter of the person who typed Nick Sabans birth certificate. It may just be a rumor though.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Junder13
Where is any of the christian based post on here posted as cruelty toward any sinner? It was said several times to hate the sin and not the sinner, Love mankind, and be compassionate. Just point out those posts because I may have missed them. Of course God is Love and he lived his life in a way we could never. I dont believe any post on here says anything about hating people for there sexual, moral, racial, etc...... beings.
I do appreciate your post.
Posted by junder13 on July 14, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, one clarification on the 1:05 post, there is no prejudice scripture in the Bible that I've ever read or heard of. I think it goes without saying, but I didn't want to leave this open. Why would God create people of different skin types (something you're born with and have no control over) and then include in his scripture anything that would hint toward racism. Regarding the "slavery" comment related to the book of Leviticus: that does not promote racism. The Old Testament can be misunderstood at times because it was written for a people (the Jews specifically) of a different time period and culture. It was written as a combination of a rules book (Leviticus), a guide/instruction manual, poetry & songs (Psalms), proverbial-like (Proverbs), and in a story-telling manner. Slavery was a common practice during that time and in no way shape or form is there old testament scripture condoning racism. To have ignored slavery, however, would have been a greater flaw than inclusion since it was very common. God did not make men to be slaves to any so the color of a slave makes no difference. Christ is colorblind and the fact that God made people of different color just goes to show His artistic nature and His love for diversity and beauty.
If a "Christian" is racist now or at any time in the past, he is not living according to God's plan. No one should associate a Christian with someone racist or intolerant, in my opinion. Just like I do not associate radicals to the Muslim faith, for example. There are misled and hurtful people of every faith (and lack of faith). That is all.
Posted by junder13 on July 14, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok_Etop,
No Christian posts said anything but what I said (promoting love over intolerance but not compromising scripture) thankfully. I believe some people posted some things that made Christians out to be hateful, and I was merely trying to clear up such misunderstandings (same as you). We are both saying the same thing.
I read your posts and agree. You are person who believes the Bible cover-to-cover, as am I. People who profess to be Christians should not cherry-pick scripture to fit their cause. Thanks for your posts as well.
Go Vols!
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just wasn't sure we were on the same page or not?! Now I'm with you.
The slavery comment I did not take as a racist comment when it was made. I believe the poster stated that because I laid out a verse in Leviticus, that he was stating that it mentioned slavery in the bible so should we believe that. My response was that God did not command slavery, although it did happen. It wasn't his rule! I'm sure it saddened him greatly.
Enjoyed your posts and insight!
Posted by BSweet on July 14, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with TJ. Let's focus on who the article is about and how they contributed to UT's legacy of greatness. There is a time and place for religious debates and this isn't the time or place. One thing I will say, and I'll probably regret this, but if you think the Bible hasn't been edited over the years, you're fooling yourself.
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BSweet: Exactly. Just didn't have the stones to throw it out...because anything said will be judged as heretical. Translations, dead languages, politics, interpretations, sects, denominations, wars, burnings, etc...all played a role is the modern version. This is NOT to demean the Bible; merely to say that can be looked upon in many different ways.
Posted by VolGraduate on July 14, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
great article. wish i had the opportunity to see this guy play. gay or not he is all vol.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bsweet. Of course the bible has been edited. It was written in Hebrew. I'm sure a few 'heretofors' and so forth were lost in translation. And then there is the many versions of the Bible...King James, New KJ, NIV, New Am Standard...etc. That was no shocker, nor was it a brilliant revelation to anyone. I can quote the 10 commandments in HipHop/MTV slang and still make the point Crystal Clear. 'Yo Dude.....its like dis, know what I'm saying, you bess not take dat AK and tear that cuz up, know what I'm saying'. That to someone means 'thou shalt not kill'.
The word is very clear and most translations convert the idea behind each sentence.
The Revelation verse I mention earlier is Rev 22 v 18 and 19. That should answer your post as well about editing the Bible.
18. I warn everyone who hears the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
19. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. NIV
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rok etop: Hebrew? You need to do more homework sir.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack
Originally the Old Testament was in Hebrew and the New Testament was in Greek. That's a fact. You do your homework sir!
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Correct me if I mis-read your 4:44 post, sir. (but I didn't)
Posted by 55Vol on July 14, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok Etop... from this Baptist to you..." He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Walker chose who he was... this article is primarily about how he faced challenges and football. Leave it there.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack. Trying to figure what you could have misread about Hebrew being the original language of the Old Testament. That's what I stated it was before it was translated/edited. If you disagree with that, you are incorrect. Should be easy for you to research. Call any local church, or google it. I'm sure some fellow posters can verify as well. My point was that of course the bible was edited from its original version, because I don't know Hebrew or Greek. Sorry if it offends you, but it is the truth.
Posted by Rok_Etop on July 14, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
55 Vol
I am a sinner. I sin everyday. I also ask God to forgive me of my sins during my daily prayer time.
I ask you to please tell me where I am throwing stones. I have not cast any in any of my posts.
BTW, can you give me the book and verse you got that scripture from, and also preface me with the story before and after the verse? Or is that selective religion as was discussed earlier?
I apologize if anything I've said offends you. Definately not my intentions.
Posted by TommyJack on July 14, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rok e top: You're missing my point by a mile..Proably my inablility to make it coherent.
I'll leave it at that. Enough.
Posted by HBKGault on July 14, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank God or whoever that all Christians aren't republican... but it does seem most all bible beaters ... ooohps excuse me... people that go off on a rant "defending" their religion every chance they get are republican these days. Hence why the bible belt's votes almost always go to a Republican. I mean Satan himself could run and win the vote here in the south if he was under the Republican ticket. Oh wait... I think he did that in 2000 and 2004. lol
Can we say Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. Sheeple!!!!
LOL! Sorrrrry, I couldn't resist. But after coming back here and reading all this and ruining all the great comments that were originally provoked by this story... the hell with it.
I'll never understand how religious people don't see their own arrogance when arguing about their religion as the absolute truth to someone who doesn't share their same belief. There's 6 Billion plus people on the planet and so many different beliefs... and who knows what their might be in space. I'm not downing anybody for what they belive, but it's almost always the religious right that talk like there is absolutely no way they are wrong.
The funny thing is... that I actually agree with every religious person out there on their views... about every religion, but their own... then I just go 1 religion and 1 God further!!
Muhahahaha!!!
Sorrry, but u all changed my mood from this story from inspired to aggravated... so... too shay!! Bahahahaha!!
~G$
Posted by tngeoff on July 14, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I had student 40 yard line about 35 rows up for that Penn State game. I'll NEVER forget it. The next year either...it wasn't as great...but it was great in its own right too! Great post. Forgive me for sidestepping much of the rest of this meandering thread. I thought about posting Bill Clintons words about WMD's and the reasoning behind his bombing of Iraq during the days of misdirection...but didn't. I considered furthering the Biblical debate...but didn't. I won't convert anyone here, so I stay on the sidelines for the rest. I'm in Pinehurst, NC and am going to enjoy the non-business time and look to give a top ten in the business portion. THAT is up the God I Trust.
Posted by BSweet on July 14, 2008 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Far be it from me to ever disuade anyone from their passion or enthusiasm for their religion. But as I mentioned before, time and place, this being neither. How would you feel if someone on her was pushing Quran or Torrah verses on you? This is a sports site. This is an article about a great Volunteer legend. This isn't Sunday school. I am a Christian, but if I want to talk about the Bible, I'll go to church. Rok, there are whole books that once were part of the Bible that have been removed. What about the apocrypha? And as for your verses on how no one shall add or remove from the Bible, do you really think that would stop them? As you say, the Ten Commandments say "thou shalt not kill", but that doesn't stop people from killing and claiming God wanted them to do it. Faith is a great and extraordinary thing, and I am not trying to discourage you from yours, but this isn't the forum for you to espouse how you feel. I understand Christianity is instilled with this zeal about "spreading the Word", but in this day and age, you would be very hard pressed to find someone who doesn't know and understand the Christian ethos. There comes a point where you stop preaching and let free will have its way. You cannot force religion upon anyone. In fact, the more you try, the more resistance you will likely face. I am glad you are proud of your religion. I encourage you to keep pusuing that in the other aspects of your life. But please, on here, let's not go there. It is disrespectful to those who may not share your beliefs.
Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Many who passed this way aren't remembered.
For anything.
Walker was not in that group.
RIP.
Posted by General_Watermelon on July 15, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tngeoff - enjoy your golf outing in Pinehurst. It is beautiful country in NC.
Posted by volmattna on July 15, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ITS GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!
Posted by rebyank2 on July 15, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He was a hero for what he did on the field. Let's not make him a hero for what he was doing off the field.
Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting! I left this road 2 days ago and return to find a detour to the Hallelujah Trail has captured the thread.
It's been my experience that those who delight in sharing their religious experience have little or no interest in what you might believe.
Posted by volboy81 on July 15, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Im glad Jackie Walker is being inducted into the Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame. He is one of the first UT players I remember. He was awesome on the football field. I wish he was around to see it happen.
Posted by HBKGault on July 15, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Personally... from reading this story... he was even more a hero off the field. Displayed even more courage and humility off it then on it... and he displayed it in bundles on the field. I think that was a major point of the story. To cheapen that by the whole being gay is a sin thing is disturbing and disgusting to everyone who isn't a die hard, right wing, Christian nut.
Posted by Vols4Ever on July 15, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jackie Walker was a pioneer in so many ways ...
When you are leading, sometimes you get shots from both the front and the back ...
Whatever he may have done or not done off the field, it can't detract from his dedication and play for the Orange. He singlehandly changed games with his play. We need more like him.
BTW, didn't he and Bernard K. have a late night meeting with the men in blue of Knoxville??? My memory may be faulty here but am I totally off base?
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