Posted by brdteton on July 14, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please all things good and right, let this guy sign with UT.

Posted by JCVol85 on July 14, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we get this guy, along with Stokes and Nunes throwing to them we could be known as Wide Receiver U again.

Posted by BillVol on July 15, 2008 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where is Harding Academy?

Posted by tvinney on July 15, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another Patrick Turner...

Posted by BillVol on July 15, 2008 at 12:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

>>And when it comes to the prerequisite that Brown is looking for from a school, he said, "Good coaching. That's about it."<<

Dang!

What about great steamed sandwiches? Shouldn't that count for something? Let's bring him by Gus's and see where he wants to go to school!!!

Posted by Kosmo on July 15, 2008 at 12:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope Bruce Pearl works his magic and gets this kid to UT. Fat Phil will have to shine Bruce's shoes after that.

Posted by KHVOLFAN on July 15, 2008 at 1:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Come to Knoxville Marlon and play for the big Orange. GO VOLS!

Posted by kdt0725 on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No Vol fan can vote for Barack Obama bc if u put a G in front of his name it makes Go Bama

Posted by gnm53108 on July 15, 2008 at 5:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny kdt.
Brown would be a great pick up.If he decides to come to UT,I'll be dag gum glad to have him.He would be another jewel in this already great looking 09 class.
Kepp workin like heck and pound the recruiting trail coaches.You're doing great.

Go VOLS!

Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 5:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please, Pearl, use the Saban DT approach and tell him anything that's remotely true.

Looks like the real deal! If he was a DB, he'd be a lock.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 15, 2008 at 6:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Marlon - we've signed the QB of the future. We need great WR's for him to throw to. Your a Tennessee man so say no to California and Indiana.

Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Any more Joey Kent's out there?

Posted by tngeoff on July 15, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang.

Posted by 99gator on July 15, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

from everything i hear.....

this kid likes every school and every coach (which is why he still has a list of like 10 schools).....very hard to get a read on.

could land anywhere from florida to usc and all points in between.

Posted by richvol on July 15, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If he is as good as billed then Dave Clawson is smart enough to build an offense around him. That's what you talk to him about. Then let Pearl and Pat Summit double team him on basketball. How could anyone resist that?

Posted by bd330794 on July 15, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jamie Newberg of rivals stated in a recent chat that he expected brown to go to UT.

Posted by dvols on July 15, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

just make us wait until feb. then put on that tennessee hat with a little memphis style!

Posted by marc_ash on July 15, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by JCVol85 on July 14, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we get this guy, along with Stokes and Nunes throwing to them we could be known as Wide Receiver U again."

And that has to be the selling point JCVol IMO. I think the idea that he can play pretty quickly in an offense that is sure to be dynamic will be a big appeal.

Not sure how good he is at basketball, but why wouldn't you want to play for the Vols bball team too? Give it a shot at least.

As for "Tennessee fans are not going to like what they are about to read about Marlon Brown.", what a moronic lead to a story. Tennessee fans may not like to read about what happened in 05 w/ Turner, but that has nothing to do with what we read about Brown himself.

Can we get some guest writers stories posted please?

Posted by marc_ash on July 15, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bd330794,

Can you post a link to that jamie Newberg story?
thanks.

Posted by LadyVolsEighTimes on July 15, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, You can't blame the kids at 16 and 17 years old to try and get every official visit and opportunity possible.

We should be able to at least keep this one in the SEC. Vols put a beat Down on UCLA and Ohio State takes its annual Bowl Beating by the SEC, just really leaves USC. The Cardinal can be talented, but it doesn't get that much showcase attention.

Posted by marc_ash on July 15, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ladyvolseight,

This year of all years supports what you have said. This year has had a lot of success in the recruiting dept., and it seems to be getting stronger.

Right now, I think it is anyones game at who gets his services. I think he'll want to play early and get away from home. lets just hope Knoxville is far enough from home to his liking.

Posted by 99gator on July 15, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ladyvols

i don't blame the kid at all. it's his decision.

i don't even get upset when people "decommit" or change their minds or whatever.

florida is trying to sell him on the fact that murphy, ingram, and harvin will be gone.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 15, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hooker - did you collaborate with Adams on this article? Where is Adams anyway? Is he vacationing in a trailor park somewhere in Redneckville, Alabama?

Posted by RichRollin on July 15, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.

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Posted by HellBornElfChild on July 15, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Send em some where else. So this guy lists ALL the top schools as his leader???
Little arrogant if you ask me.

Posted by GoVol on July 15, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since he still has 8 schools on his list it will be interesting to see which ones he takes official visits to since he can only take 5. Since he's already been to UT a few times, he may pass up UT for one of the offical visits? Hope not!

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 15, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Marlon - Join the Nation!

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on July 15, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think he will take all of his visits, see some awesome places, be treated like royalty... and when (if)he gets tired of all the hoopla- he will make his choice. I would love to see him at UT, but the Memphis area has a ton of negativity toward the vols and that could hurt us.

Posted by velovol on July 15, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with the comparisons to P Turner. They are pointless. Besides Turner isnt exactly tearing it up out there anyway.

Posted by Phowell23 on July 15, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He's probably going to wait it out and see how TN does with their new coaches before making a decision. If we do well, then I think he comes here. If we do poorly and lose 4-5 games he goes USC. I think it's mainly down between USC and UT.

Posted by sampears on July 15, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TG4BP! Has a football program gotten to where we need our basketball coach to bring in our football players? What ever man this guy looks like a star and it would be so nice to see him in front of 105,000 screamin fans each Saturday! Go vols!

Posted by VolGraduate on July 15, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Harding is a private school in Memphis and the competition is terrible. It's in the DII small school division. TNGeoff would be a 5* recruit if he played there

Posted by awhill00 on July 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BillVol: Harding Academy is in Memphis. I'm thinking he'll be a VOL.

Posted by GerryOP on July 15, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For all of you folks who are convinced that ESPN hates us, Pat Forde is at it again!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/column...

Posted by Volchaz on July 15, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like this kid is California dreamin'. Interesting that kids like the Clausens', and Nunes love to come back east to play Big time SEC football, and yet other kids like P. Turner, and this guy lean towards the west coast. IMO, if he goes west, we'll never here about him again.

Posted by mikevol on July 15, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP

It's great being in the underdog role.

Posted by DingoVol on July 15, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

On the Tallahassee news last night, they said one of Georgia's top offensive linemen committed to the Vols. His is from Valdosta. He had offers from FSU, UF, Georgia, LSU etc. but he chose the Vols. If it is news in Tallahassee, shouldn't it be on this site?

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

According to everything I've read, Brown isn't like Turner. He may still go elsewhere but he's been a Vol fan... so coming from Memphis he's probably use to ignoring alot of negative things said about the Vols or better yet it has hardened him as a fan. Many believe that when the dust settles he'll be a Vol but right now it sounds like he's fairly open.

Nunes and maybe Stokes have been recruiting Brown heavily. Nunes in particular could be having a pretty big impact in that regard.

Only time will tell but this doesn't look bad right now. One thing that could impact the whole thing though is if UT gets another top WR to the point of committing before Brown is ready... which is a definite possibility.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DingoVol... It was several days ago: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/j...

Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This young man likes the limelight which accounts for 10 schools left in the sweepstakes. That's 10 GVX type boards firing up every time he clears his throat or drops a hint.

And why not? You only go around once and when the euphoria of recruitment fades, it's the weight room and 2-a-days.

He could be a great one or another Turner. Hope we get the chance to find out. But if not, the sun will surely rise on the 1st Thursday in Feb.

Posted by marc_ash on July 15, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18,

Not sure I belive the idea that Brown is making his decision based on what is being "negatively said" about the Vols program. Sure, negative press breeds negative feelings for the program, but I think this young man just wants to experience a taste of the west coast.

He may not choose to end up out west, but he sure is going to give it a nod with some visits.

Volchaz,

It is interesting that folks from out west love the SEC so much. No doubt, week in and week out you will get a game, thats for sure.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 15, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bass_Vol is right. Why wouldn't a young man want to visit several campuses, meet some legendary coaches, get wined and dined? I'd milk it for all its worth and then I'd set up a formal announcement from New York City or............maybe just Dupree's living room.

Posted by BigOrangeHustler on July 15, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My only question about this list is where was Daniel Hood? He is a hell of alot better than most of the players on this list. He has more and better scholorship offers than anyone else on this list except Marlon.

Posted by volmattna on July 15, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua, you must really be bored. Man i hope we get this guy he could help bring this recruiting class to the top GO VOLS!!!

Posted by Volfan1 on July 15, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did Hooker attend the "John Adams School of Negative UT Journalism"?

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

marc, that isn't what I said. My point was that Brown would be less susceptible to the criticism since he's been surrounded by Memphis fans his whole life and still says he's a Vol fan.

None of that means he'll play for UT... just that negative recruiting tactics shouldn't be as effective with him. When you are dealing with Urban Meyer.... you can count on negative tactics being used against you.

Posted by jcherrie on July 15, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it just me, or do we let too many in-state prospects slip away?

Any opinions on this?

I understand why talent laden Florida and Texas let a lot of prospects slip away. But it seems that we should be able to get almost 1/2 of the best talent in Tennessee.

Kids have a lot of reasons for going to different schools. Early playing time can easily send a young man to a school other than his childhood favorite.

Posted by jcherrie on July 15, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BillVol - I believe that Harding Academy is in Nashville.

Posted by bigfan502 on July 15, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So Cal., is surrounded by so many great athletes in the Los Angeles area..Brown should think twice before signing with USC. If he is as good as they say..he might be just another player for USC. The 28 player signing limit prevents USC from probably completely dominating college football most years. Already, the Los Angeles media has already tabbed So. Cal., as almost a sure thing to win national championship next season. Many things go into recruiting top talent, such as attitude, personal work ethic, team player etc. Brown would be taking chance that he would develop as fast for the pros at USC. Surrounded by super players he might get lost in the shuffle. Good luck young man regardless of school you choose.

Posted by volchiq on July 15, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a teenager that has watched the glamour of LA and beaches and beautiful girls on TV, I am sure that it looks much better than little ole Knoxville, TN. While I think UT should recruit this guy and others like heck, I also think that if a kid decides that he wants to try the excitment of the west coast (P. Turner), there isn't really anything that UT can say that will put a beach and movie stars at our back door. It isn't until they get there that they realize that it isn't as grand as it was made out to be (again, P. Turner).

Posted by hcjournals on July 15, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Harding Academy is in Memphis.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie, it is a two edged sword. Tn HSFB will routinely produce between 4-10 players good enough to be rated 4/5* out of HS. Yes there are a number overlooked but that's true of states tht have more blue chips as well.... Relatively speaking, it is accurate to say Tn HSFB is behind the curve compared to other states.

So the UT coach no matter who it is will have to deal with a quandry for the foreseeable future. Do I recruit nationally and snub some marginal in-state recruits? If so then relationships are broken with coaches and communities. If I don't then I won't always get enough talent to compete.

The problem is compounded by the fact that the most populous and talented region is on the opposite end of a very long state... that has a hometown University antagonistic toward UT.

Posted by miamiVOL on July 15, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TN should not focus on M.Brown , he is the next P.Turner-esq bust, no explosive-ness, R.Randle the #1 WR from L.A. is the truth and should be the Vols top concern

Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie @ 12:27: It's just you. And I'm just kidding. I think we notice it more because TN produces relatively few (sjt says 4-10/year) top tier athletes.

Tennessee isn't for everyone. Regardless of how much we wish that were the case.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie, I think it looks worse than it actually is over the past few years.

The bigger problem we have had recently with the in-state recruits is actually keeping them on campus and out of trouble. Daniel Brooks and LeMarcus Coker are two prime examples of solid prospects who blew their chance to make an impact for the Vols. Throw in a guy like Lee Smith, who never even made it to his first practice, and it's more of a matter of signing the guys, just not getting anything out of them. A couple more examples, Todd Cox and Malcolm Rawls. If you can tell me who they are and where or if they are playing, then you are more of a college football fan than me.

If you look at Patrick Turner, Barrett Jones, and Brandon Warren, there were likely other circumstances that led to them signing elsewhere. Turner was probably looking for a chance for early playing time. We had Smith, Swain, Meachem among others in the rotation already. Jones had family that went to Bama and Warren grew up a Florida ST fan if memory serves.

Just my take on it.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

miamivol, I know people will go nuts on me but I think there are several guys out there including Randle that would help UT more that have mentioned the Vols at one time or another.

Randle is all but certain to sign with LSU but until he does there's always a possibility UT could steal him.

Evans from CA doesn't have UT on his Rivals profile but may add them. Gilmore is widely considered a DB prospect but may be a WR. Logan Thomas is listed as an athlete and could end up at WR, DE, or TE... he's considering UT.

There's a pretty good crop of WR so I think UT takes 1-2... but they can afford to be selective and take none if they so choose. Thigpen could well end up a WR.

To be honest, I really like Teague more and more as I read about him.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In the end, I think some of these guys are waiting to see what Clawson's O looks like compared to what UT's coaches and rival coaches have been telling them.

I think it was Bama that's been telling recruits that UT is going to the spread...

Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOp 10:20 - good read, caught that the other day. It will surprise some that Phil is not viewed as the second coming by all in the football world.

Someone mentioned "top-tier athletes" (murrayvol). That's a deadly combination with "top-tier" coaching 'em up. Mediocre if their best year was their first.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, has nothing to do with last year's score and everything to do with the tactics he uses and his general demeanor. Don't forget who told you so if he steps on your heart and jumps to the NFL or another job.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/37...

You can add the situation surrounding Drayton's move as circumstantial support...

UF does sell itself and especially to homestate talent... thus no talent drop off even after Zook. But the guy isn't nearly as clean as his public personna.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good read because the article actually says something factual... or because it says what you want to hear and like to think?

CPF may fall flat. He may do great.

But his recent contract suggests he's going nowhere any time soon. Read this guy's fantasy all you like but it is very unlikely that anyone other than Phillip Fulmer will be HC @ UT this time next year... might as well let go and save yourself some frustration.

It is getting fun watching you guys wallow in your delusions though...

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, how would presenting different pov's demonstrate a site was not credible?

Do you really, really think any of those "credible sites" are going to take a media darling to task for anything? Ol' hound dog like Fulmer? Sure. Fire away. GQ cover boy like Meyer... not a chance.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, I didn't really see anything in those articles to refute the charges except the softball piece by USAToday that's more than a year old.

BTW, didn't the NCAA change the rule on text messaging and the like because of Meyer's use of it... that suggests they thought his imposition was burdensome/inconsiderate (read selfish) or maybe even an unethical bypassing of the rules.

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Are you wallowing?

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Declaring an article that has no teethers to reality a "good read"... is wallowing.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, I don't like the contract... but it exists. Just about the only way CPF is not HC this time next year is if he has health problems. He could go 4-8 and not be gone next year because of the buyout.

Posted by jcherrie on July 15, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BillVol listen to awhill00 and hcjournals - not to me. Harding Academy is indeed in Memphis. There is a Harding Academy in Nashville - but it's a day-care center. Maybe some coaches want to recruit there.

sjt18, murrayvol, invisiblekid -- good insights and I agree it's probably more perception than reality.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Declaring an article that has no teethers to reality a "good read"... is wallowing."

Or it could simply be that he agrees with the author or feels his writing skills are top notch.

I didn't pay much attention either way when I read it. Seemed a pretty obvious guess to me considering Fulmer and Spurrier have been around the longest. Also, keep in mind Forde called it a "guess" on which coach he thought would leave and that the story was written over a week prior to the announcement of Fulmer's new deal.

PDHuff complaining about Fulmer is set in stone just like Fulmer's contract. Not much point in complaining about either of those issues at this point sjt18.

Posted by auttat on July 15, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sec

This is a running blog on all things SEC. The bottom of the first page talks about Gerald Williams and Brandon Warren. Interesting to hear that Warren is still appealing. Anybody have word on this?

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/m...

Still waiting on the NCAA on the eligibility appeal auttat. He is a student in good standing, now it's just a matter of whether he gets to play this year or has to sit. As of right now, I believe I read where he is allowed to work out and practice with the team.

Posted by auttat on July 15, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, Ikid. I think someone should have been slipping him notes to just go back to class at FSU and then leave at the end of the semester. A LOI is for a year right?

Posted by RichRollin on July 15, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewrank....

Posted by BSweet on July 15, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, I'll have you know I am a very credible source. ;)

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Vols just offered Euclid Cu__ings, 6'3" 230 lbs, DE out of Roswell GA. Only 3 stars but it sounds like he opened some eyes at the camps. SavageO will probably have more information than me on him.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, Where there's smoke... you should at least suspect fire. Enjoy your success but don't lie to yourself and be disappointed about what Meyer is and is not. He is bright. He has the ability to lead. He's a great salesman. He projects a good image...

He does not seem to be loyal or particularly trustworthy when it isn't in his personal interest. He does not hesitate to use people and discard them.

IF these accusations are true then you can also count on him having an exit plan within the next few years. The recruiting competition is too stiff for other coaches not to start using stories like those to influence recruits. FSU and Miami in particular are desperate to get turned around on that front. Meyer would have calculated into his professional plan that treating people like those accusations say he does would catch up if he stays put too long.

And no... it isn't wishful thinking. I have no doubt that UF will attract another great coach after Meyer is gone. In fact, CPF does better against top shelf coaches after he's seen, and lost, to them a few times. He's learned to beat Spurrier and Richt. If Meyer stays, he'll learn to beat him too.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Scout says that Euclid ran a 4.53 40 at a camp this summer. That's smoking for a DE.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That has been my understanding on LOI's auttat. He is in summer school now it's just a question of whether he suits up this Fall or next.

Unrelated, but I can't believe I just got busted by the Go Vols nanny for attempting to post a guys name, hence the spaces in the 4:48 post. Name is C_U_M_M_I_N_G_S BTW.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yep sjt18, 4.53 is comparable to all the top rated guys and faster than most on Rivals. Only been playing ball for one year according to the story so you can imagine the upside.

Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just can't be too careful kid. Someone out there might be offended by a name like that. lol

While previewing a post recently, I was busted for what I considered a fairly tame reference. Beware the eye of the beholder.

Posted by ONUV on July 15, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

here's a report from the USC camp. It's probably going to come down to UT, UGA, and UF.

"- Marlon Brown = first off, he's 6'4" flat. Physically, he's obviously very impressive. It's a shame he doesn't understand how to play football very well. His speed is average (4.76 SPARQ electronic on slow turf), his hands are alright, he doesn't fight for the ball, not quick in and out of his breaks, and he really doesn't know how to run routes right now. It's a shame because I anticipated the reality check, but was hoping I'd be wrong, because he seems into Matt and USC. Unfortunately he's the product of unwarranted early hype. Talking to the national guys, it's unlikely he'll be a 5-star for much longer. Great project, nowhere near an impact player yet.

Marlon Brown also looked better this morning. He had some nice catches and adjustments to balls, looks like it took him some time to adjust to the level of competition.

USC and Marlon Brown are probably going different directions now. He's a great prospect though. He's the kind of kid who's going to need a good WR coach who can teach him how to run routes, and get in and out of his breaks. If he gets that, I think he has Plaxico Burress type upside. If he goes to a place like Georgia, he'll be a massive bust, at least relative to expectations."

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DaddyVol, saw that a little earlier. Tn HSFB only has four 4/5* players so far... about par. Don't worry though. Some people think UT will get great players no matter who the coach is. They don't worry at all about what a 2 or 3 year drop in recruiting because of a bad HC fire/hire could do to the program long term.

On a more serious note, the best DT listed in the state is a 2*- Cathey.

Six of the top 25 players in Tn according to Rivals are 2*... meaning they think they have only marginal potential for playing at a BCS school.

Compare the states where the competition resides:

Odd that Curtis King didn't make that list or Worthen.

AL-9
AR- 3
GA-21
KY- 2
LA- 12
MS- 7
SC- 11

Florida wasn't listed nor was VA. However since FL has 36 players on the Rivals250 (all 4/5*) it is pretty safe to assume they'll have their typical 40 to 50.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 15, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC/ sjt-

I can't remember which recruit it was (I think it was Preston Bailey but that may be wrong), but one of our recent recruits said that Florida used negative recruiting tactics on him as well. Every time they spoke, all the coaches would tell the kid is that he didn't want to come to UT and we stunk and UF has our number blah, blah, blah. The kid said it was never about the merits of UF and always about how bad UT stinks. Well, guess what? He signed with us anyway. And that came directly from the recruit just like many of the stories on that Bleachers site seem to have originated from the recruits themselves.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"It's a shame he doesn't understand how to play football very well."

Like I said, the quality of HS football in most of Tn is lagging behind. Even great talents don't look well compared to more well-coached players on the national level.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah Murray I forget the politically correct times in which we reside occassionally. Wonder if they ever pulled the posts where some 4th grade Einstein spelled out a naughty word in series a few weeks back.

Posted by sjt18 on July 15, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBO444, if Meyer loses 4-5 games this fall then some of their fans will start using the same integrity issues as reasons to get rid of him.

Posted by GerryOP on July 15, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt, I disagree. The contract is indeed very fair. It is significant that Hamilton is making the Dean of SEC Coaches only the 7th highest paid coach in the conference! And, please, do not launch into a litany of Phil taking less because he is a good guy!

The only thing Fulmer is guaranteed is a $150k raise each year -- basically a 4%-5% annual COLA! That is a big number for most of us, but for Phil, it probably doesn't even cover his dry cleaning bill! All other increases are based on incentives.

As far as the 8-win-rollover, it is also meaningless. It is in there for recruiting purposes. Fulmer will never be fired, but Hamilton has set the bar so low that if he can not clear it each year he would be well advised to retreat in peace and honor. The influential boosters would "encourage" Fulmer to negotiate a reasonable settlement and ride off into the sunset. 4-8 next year would probably bring those forces into play.

Fulmer has HIS ring and wants to hang around until HE gets 174 wins. 174 wins, a real TEAM goal! I hope we go undefeated the next 3 years! Then he could ride away a hero and everyone is happy! (What's that old song, don't be gone long but be long gone?)

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 15, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP-

I hope Fulmer doesn't dry clean all those orange sweater vests and white turtle necks. Surely Mrs. Fulmer can handle those on the ol' spin cycle. You make a good point though. A few 8 win seasons and the trap door is going to fall out from under him. I personally hope we can get back to domination under him and don't have to go searching for a new coach. I agree with sjt on the potental problems that may arise when we have to go looking for a new coach.

Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ 3:38, not "wallowing" but lifting.

Heavy limestone rocks that were under an old scale on the farm 40 yrs ago. Placing them into the creek crossing trying to smooth out the 8" drops. Spills ones elixir sometimes.

I give you a million, you give it back to me at 150K per annun. Call it a fritter COLA. Since I got it from you in the first place, I would be wallowing in happiness at getting a raise for ???????.

Oh, longevity.....

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 15, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Recruiting is a cut-throat business. I was just passing along my faint recollection of a story that I had read. I'm sure those things happen everywhere, but I haven't heard any negative press for Fulmer as far as recruiting goes. Every kid that comes into contact with him seems to love the guy whether he ends up signing with us or not.

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleed: I hope she don't put them in the dryer.

PD: Longevity...sounds like a good union gig.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 15, 2008 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ

LMAO!

Posted by bigfan502 on July 15, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Planning to travel to Los Angeles to see Vols-UCLA game on Labor day weekend? As a veteran traveler I would suggest that say if you are a couple, or, say two couples, Purchase a round trip ticket to Phoenix Sky Harbor airport, then rent a car and drive to Pasadena's Rose bowl. Why? LAX airport is comparable to a third world country...the area around the airport is high crime area and even the police wear bullet proof vests if you ever see one. Now if you travel by junket, I'm sure they would provide you with a bus to Pasadena area to your assigned hotel..a lot safer...do not fly into LAX and attempt to rent a car..you do at your peril. My Wife and I flew out to Phoenix, rented car at airport, drove out 1-10 to Palm Springs ( 240 miles ) rented a motel room, early next morning drove to Pasadena area, (110 miles) straight on thru on 1-10. beautiful drive thru desert...and on your return if you have the time stop in Palm Springs again..then when you leave...straight back to Phoenix Sky Harbor airport. Have a great time and feel safe Vol fans.

Posted by 99gator on July 15, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

"He does not seem to be loyal or particularly trustworthy when it isn't in his personal interest. He does not hesitate to use people and discard them."

examples, please.

don't bring something weak like the fact he left the univ of utah to coach at the univ of florida (something anyone in his right mind would have done).

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 15, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is LAX really that bad or is bigfan502 just exaggerating? Thanks though bigfan. I haven't bought a plane ticket yet and I was thinking of flying into LAX and staying near Manhattan Beach real close to the beach.

Posted by ThurmondEppy on July 15, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't be so quick to assume there are no Vol fans in Memphis. Whenever we come to town the stadium is awash in Orange. There are plenty of Vol fans there. Come to UT Marlon and be a part of something special for your home state.

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

May as well walk. Last time in LAX was 7-8 yrs ago..didn't seem too bad...maybe it's changed.

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99: Demand facts. Opinions unwelcome.

Posted by GerryOP on July 15, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, guessing you're a 5'-19" Texan wearin' a 10-gallon hat, cowboy boots and spurs, probably nobody bothered you...

Posted by pdhuff on July 15, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOp - 6:44 pm - TJ said his secret was to not shower for 5 days afore the game. Had plently of room everywhere he went. LOL

Some areas of the country are like being in he#l with your back broke. Thats just to those of us not from there. I'm partial to anyplace that doesn't have cell phone service.

Posted by GerryOP on July 15, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd, some folks who live near the top of the ridge lines claim to have cell phone service. Down here in the valley it depends on which way the wind is blowing....

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gerry: Boots yes, hat no. It wasn't the lack of shower that kept'em away. Was when I asked for seat belt extension.

Posted by GerryOP on July 15, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, spurs?

Posted by TommyJack on July 15, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No spurs...all the real cowboys now ride 4 wheelers....Prof. Fulmer may wear'em when he rides that swayback Clydesdale.

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 15, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dcflorida , look man i wish we had a coach that given the opportunity to run the score up on the mighty gators or the bulldogs would put the petal to the metal. dont deny it , i like an aggressive coach

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 15, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

im getting mixed reviews of this brown kid some say a bust , overhyped . some say a superstar so i dont know

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 15, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all i know is that i dont want to lose him to the pac 10 or big 10, i hope he stays in the SEC, home of champions

Posted by Smallmike4pres on July 15, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope Haslam steps up and pays this kid the kind of money that USC is offering.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 15, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The fact that he is 6'5" 205 lbs. could mean he turns into a good Tight End. He already has good route running and hands. He may or may not be a tad slow, but we have had other WR's with not much speed that did sensational. I don't think Joey Kent had incredible speed as an example and all he did was shatter records.

Posted by awhill00 on July 15, 2008 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This guy is from Harding Academy in MEMPHIS. He is a big wide receiver, NOT a tight end. He will be a VOL by signing day. Thanks!

Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigfan502: Surely you wouldn't want to squeeze all the excitement out of the UCLA trip. lol

Posted by murrayvol on July 15, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ONUV said @ 5:04 "he really doesn't know how to run routes right now."

Gen. Watermelon said @ 8:27: "He already has good route running and hands."

I'm dazed and confused. Did he get that much better in a shade over 3 hours? You guys wanna sort that out and get back to us?

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigfan502, good call on SkyHarbor. Flew there in Feb. and was highly impressed.

pdhuff, no harm intended on that 4:13 post, just trying to diffuse another whizzing contest. Everyone has their own opinion on either end and usually the facts are found somewhere in the middle.

As far as Brown goes, of course it'd be good to get him. I'd rather take a chance on him being a bust at UT than an All American at USC or worse, an SEC school. It doesn't sound like he has any problems that can't be solved with solid coaching. If we don't get him, there are still offers out for at least 7 other big time WR prospects so I feel good about our chances of landing another one to go along with Stokes. I think we may have caught a break with Scruggs out of Jacksonville missing an LSU camp and it sounds to me like FL isn't his first choice.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 15, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good one Murray @10:16. You really haven't seen LA until you visit lovely Compton and get involved in at least one drive-by.

Posted by pdhuff on July 16, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ikid, good post - some fact aren't found in the middle such as a nine year drought. Some are happy with that -some are not.

Any car can be traded.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, running up the score when you have the chance is the new "sportsmanship" of college football. You have no choice. With the exception of Bama, UT had a better season after UF than UF did. Yet they didn't pass them in the polls until the final one. OTOH, in 06, CPF called off the dogs against Cal and let them score 15 to make it look respectable- 35-18. After UT's 1 pt loss to UF, Cal jumped UT in the polls.

When you have a team down (especially one that's supposed to be competitive) then polls, recruiting, fan satisfaction, image, etc all demand that you pour it on.

Bottom line: Spurrier was the vanguard and Meyer "gets it". I hope Fulmer will "get it".

If UT goes for the jugular against USC last year... it probably wouldn't have become a game.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, what was Meyer's longest tenure anywhere prior to UF? If you say it was just his career steps then you prove my point to a T. His loyalty is to himself and his career first and always. The anecdotes I posted strongly suggest he'll whodoo recruits if it is to his benefit.

Don't even try "they all do it"... when UT's 08 class included Poole (who everyone else gave up on because of a leg injury) and Raines (who no one else in FBS believes can play). UT offered then stuck by their offer. The saga of Gerald Williams demonstrates the same thing... as does D Morley.

Loyalty and integrity won't win you games right now. The short cuts are better for that. Those things will give you the best opportunity for long term success though.

Posted by volchiq on July 16, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another travel option is to fly into Ontario, CA. In 1999, a friend and I flew out of Nashville into Ontario (cheaper out of Nashville) and rented a car to drive in to Pepperdine to visit her brother. If I recall correctly it was a nice drive of about 1 hour or so to get to LA. Ontario was a really nice city, and it was easy to get around.

Just throwing it out there for those that to avoid LAX and want a shorter drive than Pheonix.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua... your ignorance is amazing some times even for a Bama fan. Did you watch the game? Did you not see UT take out the starters about midway through the 3rd qtr while up 35-3? Did you not see the playcalling go ultra-conservative with safe running plays on O and a good bit of 3-deep on D?

Well... then again... I'm probably expecting too much. You probably don't know enough about the game to even discern those things.

Posted by pdhuff on July 16, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone will know. Of the "Top Ten" instate recruits, how many do we normally get or want?

I just don't see using the "border" as an poor excuse in this day and time when every school goes everywhere after the studs. Ga, I believe had 11 or so out of there 1st 22 from out of state.

Doesn't seem to bother Pearl or Summitt in B Ball recruiting but he's a newcomer and not quite "family" yet, I guess. She's old-time honored family.

Posted by 99gator on July 16, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

you know what good coaches who are at utah and bowling green do.....they leave for better jobs.

this belief that he stabbed used them is insane.

now, some believe that a certain coach stabbed his boss in the back to get his current job. i don't know who that is though.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 16, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PDHuff, quick answer to the 12:04 question: usually been around 3-4 out of the top 10 staying in-state since about 2004.

This is one instance where I'll give CPF the benefit of the doubt and say that too much gets made out of the issue of guys leaving the state. Like I said in the 1:38 post yesterday, there is usually a good reason for them going to other schools.

Also, the staff is usually bringing in better guys than they could get in-state. I can't think of that many instances where a Tennessee guy is making a name for himself at other schools. Michael Oher at Ole Miss is probably one of the best but I believe he had ties to them leading to him signing with the Rebs. Turner at USC has been OK but nothing special to this point. Warren started off real well at FL ST but now we are getting him back. The FB for Auburn was a solid player, can't think of his name right now. Tate and Smith are getting some notice at ND but haven't done anything yet. Point being, there aren't many players that are leaving the state and becoming All-American elsewhere.

Here is the link to Rivals where I got most of my info:

http://tennessee.rivals.com/viewrank.asp

Posted by GoIrish on July 16, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not sure who is giving the facts here, but Notre Dame is not recruiting this kid. He doesn't have the qualifying ACT or SAT score to be enrolled at ND. My money is he will follow Patrick Turner to Southern Cal.

Posted by 94VOL on July 16, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hopefully we can get this guy to stay a VOLS fan. You can never have enough talent at WR

jcherrie you might want to look into the Harding Academy in Nashville because if it is a daycare they sure do keep them there a long time.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Someone will know. Of the "Top Ten" instate recruits, how many do we normally get or want?"

Roughly 1/3 to 1/2... similar to UGA by %... they just have alot more good players.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua said: "I'm looking at your schedule and I got you sitting at 1-3 the first few games."

Once again, your fingers move and your ignorance shows. That probably means you think UT loses @ UCLA... which definitely means you haven't done your homework. 2-2 is a possibility but I expect 3-1.... OTOH, if UT beats UF, they should beat Aub too. Auburn will have a better D but their spread should not be nearly as potent as UF's.

Posted by LongtimeVol on July 16, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Evidence that CPF doesn't run up the score is when he goes conservative on offense???? ROTFLMAO!! That is not CPF displaying sportsmanship, it is Phil crossing his fingers and hoping the end of the game happens real soon before anything bad happens. Heck, he doesn't need a big lead to do that, he'll do it with a field goal lead. I wish we had the offensive fire power to actually run up the score on someone. I am hoping this year we may actually be able to do that with Clawson.
That was too funny, but I have to hand it to ole sjt. What he knows, well those are clearly always facts but what you know is a mere opinion that is beneath his contempt.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK iam4ua, that means you predict UT to lose to UCLA and UAB, right? Come on. Do your research.

Posted by sjt18 on July 16, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LongtimeVol... Do what?

I don't even disagree that he thinks you can ice a game for a half... Have said the exact same thing myself. OTOH, putting in the subs is an indication of "calling off the dogs".

You would be right that USC wasn't a good example of that last year... but Cal in 06 was. Ainge was out mid way through the third qtr.

"What he knows, well those are clearly always facts but what you know is a mere opinion that is beneath his contempt."

Uh. Nope. Come to me with facts and I may banter about with you over the opinion part but you won't be "beneath [my] contempt" by any stretch. The people I have problems with are those who abuse the facts or don't even make the effort.

As far as I know, I've never had a problem with you... so where did all that come from?

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 17, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you with your 1-3 early season predictions need a reality check. This team is lead by Coach Phillip Fulmer - a Living Legend. 1-3? Name another coach that can lose by a combined 63 points to the two biggest rivals and wind up in the SEC East Championship Game. Name another coach that can be outscored by its SEC opponents and end up as SEC East Champions? Name another coach who is so likeable that he can get a huge raise and contract extension while at the same time lowering the bar to 8 win seasons. You can't do it and that is why Coach Fulmer is a Living Legend.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 17, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just watched the film on Marlon Brown. Either this kid has played against the softest opponents I have ever seen or this kid is the Answer. He looked like a man amongst boys. Some of those guys trying to tackle him looked like Dupree during a Bluelight Special.

Posted by chad_t31 on July 17, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua...

That's pretty funny...empty seats at neyland stadium. I could get 10 friends, slap a power T sticker on our heads, and play chess at midfield and that place would be full. Go back to your trailer and rethink your stupidity.

Posted by sjt18 on July 17, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

General, it is apparently some of both. Brown plays in one of the lower divisions and highlight clips are always best performances, right? OTOH, the analysts like his athleticism. He apparently started slow at the USC camp but did better late in the camp.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 17, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think I should of played in his league. I would have dominated against those Duprees.

Posted by chad_t31 on July 17, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

son it's always been known as the power T. Just making a point. The place will always be full no matter what type of team is on the field.

Posted by chad_t31 on July 17, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

by the way iam4ua...it's called hypothetically speaking. Let me explain.. you see, it's when someone (i.e. me) uses an example so outrageous that simpletons (i.e. you) can understand the point I'm trying to make.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 18, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pearl wants this kid as bad as Fulmer. He's dominating in basketball.

Posted by pdhuff on July 18, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gen W - 7:55 am Truly inspiring. If you will sign a release, I would like to paint that on the side of the big barn for all to see. Along with the snipe bag.

Would you send me a photo also of the SEC East "Ghost" Championship or the runner-up tee shirt? Would add a touch of class.

Well done, sir.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 19, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You still snipe hunting pd? Dang, let me know when you are going next time. I'll send Dupree.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 19, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Snipe hunter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZPDmX...

Posted by vols10623 on July 19, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

harding academy is in memphis and its a class AA school, its a small private school compariable to a D 1 school. this kid is good no doubt BUT he doesnt play against the best talent or the big high schools in memphis. however i would still love him to attend and become apart of our family!

Posted by awhill00 on July 20, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a couple of five-stars on my wish list... MARLON Brown and MORGAN Moses. MARLON and MORGAN!!

Posted by volssam on July 21, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

not sure if anyone has answered your question billvol b/c I didn't read all the posts....but Harding Academy is in Memphis.......