Posted by TommyJack on July 19, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good article

Posted by FWBVol on July 19, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Urban might have won the NC in his second season at Florida, but in his third season he finished third in the East even with the Heisman winner. If you want to point out that Les Miles won his title with Saban recruits at LSU, you can also point out that a lot of Zook recruits played a big part in Florida's title.

Posted by TurboFan on July 19, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They may have been Zook's recruits but Zook couldn't do with them anything close to what Urb did. This year should be the tipping point for Meyer: National Dynasty (a bit grandiose wouldn't you say) or Larry Cokerish.

Fulmer accomplished very little with Johnny's recruits. His best teams were 4, 5 and 6 years after he took over. Then he relaxed.

Have to disagree, TJ. JA seems to be picking and choosing stats and rationalizing his order.

Posted by GreerVol22 on July 19, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Adams...still publishing what Griff writes for you eh? Welcome back!

Posted by Volfan1 on July 19, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not debating your choices, Tuscaloosa John, but given your track record and lack of veracity, who cares what you think?

Posted by OrangeKoolAid on July 19, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How can the coach with the highest winning percentage, and a NC, be listed as sixth behind two coaches - one who has not not won the conference much less an NC - and the other that has averaged only 8 wins a season. Oh, that's right, Adadms is a hack from OBama.

Posted by banman360 on July 19, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree John a 6-6 coach should be considered our best....seriously? care to make a list of coaches' and their off season issues? o that would support Phil. cant do that

Posted by TurboFan on July 19, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sales, check again, Tuberville did when the conference the year he didn't win the NC and Miles has averaged 11 wins per year at LSU.

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 19, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Any head coach seriously listed in this collage should have at least ten years experience competing with the big boys in the SEC. Bowling Green...Toledo...what about the years before the last three years at OSU....Coach ten years in the SEC and then let's run the numbers. I won't deny Spurrier's position but Fulmer should be number two.
Bless your heart John.

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on July 19, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HEISTMAN, LMAO, Ashley is enfeugo tonight!

Posted by KingsportVol on July 19, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John welcome back. I don't have a Fulmer blow doll in my closet so I do enjoy reading most of your stuff. I am not a die hard Fulmer hater yet. I just hate the fact that we have the most predictable offense in the SEC. 3rd and 7? We get it already. Screen 5 yards behind the line of scrimage to a back that is slower than Chavis leaving Golden Corall. Keep speaking the truth JA. TALK HARD! Go Big Orange

Posted by budd on July 19, 2008 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Urban Legend with the Great Circumsizer in tow goes 8-4 and he is building a dynasty? hahaha
Ears goes 13-0 playing four high schools and a nunnery & he's number four? hahaha
Considering the support he gets from his administration (None) Bobby Johnson is last? hahaha
Adams I don't criticise you for being a homer or hating UT but this is just stupid

Posted by hcjournals on July 19, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow. John Adams picks coach Fulmer 7th. He says that whatever Spurrier does with South Cacalaki doesn't matter. I say he is wrong. Spurrier's lack of success at South Carolina means that he can't get it done anymore. Period. They get at least 80,000 at every game. They give to the University. They have a close by ocean as a draw. There is no excuse. He is failing there, and his overall coaching record is reflecting it. Oscar Meyer is 2 losses away from alienating all of the Gator faithful. He has the personality of a wannabe. Say what you will. He will be a hated man in Gainesville within 3 years. Nick Saban....Carpet bagger. Les Miles.....Opportunist......Tommy Tuberville.......Traitor.....Mark Richt..Another jackass. They'll turn on him....Probably after this overrated year.

Coach Fulmer.....He's a nice guy. He makes over 2 million a year. Great recruiter......We lose the big game occasionally. We also win the big one quite often. He puts players in the NFL as well as anyone....Look it up. We need to beat Florida. If you want to look at his problem, that's it. Admittedly we are even with them in talent. At least that's what the players think. They are more consistent and prepared for our game than we are. I don't know why. They schedule cupcakes every year and get used to running up and down the field. We schedule a tough game before them. We go into the game like it's going to be a slugfest. They go into it like it's going to be a track meet. Their strategy is working more than ours. In 1998 when we beat Florida and were undefeated, we knew we could run the table. If we do it this year, we will do it again. Then Coach Fulmer will look more like Bear Bryant than #7. And that's what bothers the negatories. If we win the big one again we will truly have history in the making. And there is something that is strangely bothersome about that to the haters. I don't get it. I like that the players, Led by Peyton took out a full page ad and said they liked the experience they had at our school.

We are in a good place. Let's stay positive, and enjoy the ride. I'm in Dallas for goodness sakes. It's a lot harder to get there than most. Count your blessings. And stop complaining. We might have a great year this year.....Stay tuned....

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on July 20, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

#7 was Mark Richt dunceface...to bad you just typed for 30 minutes on how Fulmer was #7.

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 20, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is one thing for certain. The top five ain't not gonna win the SEC every year and they shore ain't not gonna be the tall hog at the trough every year unless we have an annual undefeated five-way tie for the NC.
Yeah...that's probably what's gonna happen.

Posted by kaplan on July 20, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bye Ashley.

Posted by FWBVol on July 20, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, if you consider two years each at mid majors before coming to Florida such a great run, more power to you. Last year UM had three classes of players that he recruited and the Gators finished third in the East. I don't like Miles one bit, but my point is if Adams was rating him a little lower for winning with Saban recruits the same could be done for Urban.

Posted by hcjournals on July 20, 2008 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Silent............

Ok. 6th. What's the difference? Just because it took you 30 minutes to read it doesn't mean it took me 30 minutes to write it. Okey dokey? Take care now....

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on July 20, 2008 at 1:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

keep telling yourself that and you might believe it dunce

Posted by hcjournals on July 20, 2008 at 1:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The truth may hurt.....But as soon as you come on over and be a true Vol fan, you will be happier. Come on....Be a little positive........It's easy. And a lot more fun than being negative about our football program. We are excited about this year. Get on board and have some fun as well! No matter what you say........You need to get behind the Vols. Coach Fulmer is staying.......And the haters lost. Sorry.

Posted by WereInTrouble on July 20, 2008 at 1:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, Adams, you were really kind to 'The Warden Foolmer'. He shouldn't even be coaching a D1 team let alone Tennessee. A 'Good Ole' Boy' that has LOST 62% of his games in the past six years against Bama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, SECCG, bowl games, Notre Dame, Miami,etc.

Oh, I forgot - beating up on the nobodies like Vandy, Ky, Miss St., Ole Miss, etc. sure makes it look like he has a good winning percentage. Even the most ardent Foolmer supporters have to be shocked at what a failure he has been the past six years. Only Homer Hamilton's 'Good Ole' Boy Club' keeps him propped up. His true record is TERRIBLE!!!!

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on July 20, 2008 at 1:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yawn, 10 years and counting with 0 SEC titles

Posted by cdldoc on July 20, 2008 at 2:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Adams, you are a jerk. Your analysis is typical of you - flawed! If Fulmer was Coach at Florida, he would have a national champion every 3 years and SEC champion every 2 years. Tennessee is just about the weakest football recruiting state in the SEC. You couldn't get Richt, Meyer, Spurrier or most of the others to Coach for us because of the recruiting situation. Adams, you are a jerk! Apparently, you will always be a jerk. Phil should sit on your head and pass gas!

Posted by kbart4033 on July 20, 2008 at 2:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1. Spurrier--if he wins SEC at SC, he will solidify
his legend;
2. Fulmer--more wins per D-I athlete in his home
recruiting turf than anyone;
3. Tuberville--can he keep it going on The Plains
now that Bama has full scholarship
load?
4. Richt--must win SEC soon to move up on this list;
5. Meyer--more D-I scho;arship talent
in his recruiting turf than anyone...how good would he be at, say,
Arkansas or Tennessee?
6. Miles--mediocre at OkState-amazing
talent at LSU;
7. Saban--mediocre at Michigan State (one nice season but they were happy
to see him go!), great at LSU,
awful at Miami, can he keep coaches
at Alabama?
8. Nutt--he will give Ole Miss a nice
bump;
8. Brooks--football is better than
hoops in Lexington!
8. Croom--sleeper in SEC West;
8. Johnson--would be great at Clemson!

Posted by VOLS85 on July 20, 2008 at 2:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hahahahah Adams has appeared from the abyss! So proud John! you gave us your rankings on coaches, and it is no surprise that even though 5 coaches in the SEC have won a NC, you listed Fulmer 6th...it's so spiteful it is funny! The good news is that your mom and the three fulmer critics on this site love you! By the way, what kind of gig do you have where you don't have to write an article for a month and a half? Seriously though, geaux tigers...trash

Posted by VOLS85 on July 20, 2008 at 3 a.m. (Suggest removal)

...by the way Kaplan, what does your comment mean? Did you kick the Ashley off the site? I'm confused, as you usually have information to relay as opposed to a vague comment on a UT homer...aren't you supposed to be unbiased? Shouldn't you rise above the usual trash on this site? Obviously not...really classy...

Posted by brdteton on July 20, 2008 at 3:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And regardless, Adams is a rear of the dohnkey'

Please resign or get fired soon.

Posted by stroker on July 20, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hcjournals is the rightest one on here today and wittiest. Go Vols, with a new offense and our normal good defense I feel postive.

Posted by writer on July 20, 2008 at 7:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Adams always has been a Spurrier fan. Spurrier's main problem is that he has no class. Now his ego has gotten him into a swamp that he won't be able to crawl out of at South Carolina. His talent doesn't equal his mouth. Swap Spurrier and Fulmer on the list and you'd have it about right. Curious that Adams wanted Fulmer fired a couple of months ago and now says nice things about him. What, did the heat get a little high, John? Maybe there weren't a lot job offers pouring in after the back-stabbing? The visor couldn't get you a job in Columbia? This is beginning to look like another one of our years, even Adams is backpeddling. Coach Fulmer, like all great coaches, has done the things necessary to put us into position to win--maybe not all of them, but certainly our share or better. The rest depends on the breaks. Go Vols!

Posted by KingsportVol on July 20, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIP Ashley

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 20, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WEREINTROUBLE, "beating up on nobodies..." How many " nobodies" do you think that Spurrier, Meyer and "anybodys baby" Saban have ran the score up on over the years to get to where they are in John's eyes???

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did I miss something? The greatest coach on the planet gets picked 6th by the very guy that said he should be tarred and feathered and kappy has kicked off Ashley? How will we know how many more days?

Posted by DarthVol on July 20, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IMO, it's still unfair to remove points from Fulmer because "there was no rebuilding necessary" when he succeeded majors. I honestly believe the program was where it was at the time he took over because of HIS ability to recruit and manage the team in whatever capacity he had control over. I think the people who make hiring/firing decisions knew that too.

And for those of you who don't know where I stand on Fulmer...I don't support him as being the future of UT. But give the man credit for doing the things that he does/did well. His stamp as head coach was on this team well before he actually took over.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who you calling a nobody there bobbarbilly? I thought you were a Vol fan.

Posted by GerryOP on July 20, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer's boss ranks him 7th, Adams ranks him 6th! John, you ol' homer you!

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 20, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

General, I am a Vol fan and a Coach Fulmer fan. I was just aiming a bit of redirect at wereintrouble's earlier post about the weaker teams on the schedule. I think you took my post out of context.
Go Vols. "Git 'er done"

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 20, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Time for church.

Posted by tngeoff on July 20, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kaplan.

Good call.

John Adams.

Very well written and welcome back.

Your theme song will live on forever.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AM4ADoVc6TU

marc_ash.

What's the over under on this one?

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bobbarbilly - yes - Florida beat Tennessee by 39 points. Alabama beat Tennessee by 24. I was accusing you of saying Florida and Alabama were beating up on weaker teams. It was just a joke Sir.

Posted by lempga on July 20, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just read the headlines. Adams, please leave.

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed TJ, good article.

Must be time to rile the faithful.

Agree with the coach rankings except for Richt and Fulmer. Richt has two SEC titles in 7, Phil has zero in nine and counting.

Grey Goose koolade almost ready to ship. Some have ordered three 55 gallon drums.

And that's just for UCLA.

Posted by TommyJack on July 20, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ashley got a ticket to ride? What did he say?

Posted by DarthVol on July 20, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I could tell you but I'd be banned.

Posted by pammyvol1000 on July 20, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HCJ.. You are right on!!

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What did Ashely do to get kicked off to board? How will we be able to know how many days are left?

Posted by littleorange on July 20, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another effort by Adams to demean Fulmer, therefore
he continues with his agenda to harm the Vols. Our opponents love this stuff!

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 20, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tuscaloosa John continues to "briskly inhale" up to Spurrier, ignoring his off-field problems the way any hypocrite would.

Regarding his school-girl gushing over Spurrier winning the ACC at Duke, we should put that into perspective a bit. That's the ACC before Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Boston College, and Virginia Tech joined. Who's left?

NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia, Maryland, Clemson, and Duke.

Posted by kaplan on July 20, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You agree not to post comments that are off topic, defamatory, obscene, abusive, threatening or an invasion of privacy. Violators may be banned.

Posted by walt23tn on July 20, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not a big Adams fan, but he's right on with this article.

Posted by mikevol on July 20, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When a coach moves from program to program they miss the down cycles that all program have. Example Nick Saban is not being held accountable for the mess he left in Miami. All programs cycle some coaches move before it hits their resume

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This was a good John Adams article. I agree.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Kappy although I was really looking for the details. I missed the fireworks as I was traveling.

Posted by marc_ash on July 20, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not a big Adams fan generally, but give credit where it is due. The article was a good read.

KNS, you obviously know there are some yo-yo's out there that aren't happy no matter what. However, not everyone holds that same mentality. Hopefully the writing will continue to reflect the appreciation for the fans that want insightful information on Volunteer athletics.

tngeoff,

The over under is probably somewhere around 300...I'll take the over by a tad.

Would have really enjoyed knowing what Ashley said...must have been pretty big if he has a permanent ban.

Posted by BigMix on July 20, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's great to be a Tennessee Vol!!!!!

Posted by jcvet on July 20, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I still think if Spurrier had coached TN during the 4 Manning yrs., he would have won at least 2 National Championships with all that talent and Manning. I doubt Little would have been moved to MLB and Lewis would not have been on the bench behind Levine.

Posted by hcjournals on July 20, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the props. I try to be as objective as possible. We are far from perfect. But what I have noticed is that we have a really strong program. They try to do things the right way. We are very, very fallible. But when we are on.......There is no greater sports team on the face of the earth to watch than our Vols. If you have been allowed to take turf from the field of Notre Dame, with their approval, by the way.....If you have been in Gainesville when we won 34-32...If you went to Tempe and just knew we weren't going to mess it up.....If you saw coach Fulmer come over and trhow his hat as far as he could up into the stands after we beat Bama 41-14....And a hundred other stories, then you learn to roll with the punches a little bit. And we are a part of it as fans. I don't care what anyone says....Neyland is the greatest place to be in the world for a big game......Ask our opponents. I met a former Notre Dame player 6 months ago who said that of all the places he played, ours was the best....No, we are not perfect. But what we have beats whatever is second place.
Ok......First prediction of the year. The UCLA game......Major ratings....Complete national focus on the game......We might light it up.........

Posted by vol1994 on July 20, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As usual Mr. Adams is trying to stir the pot about Fulmer and our great University.

While I do not think Fulmer is the best coach in the SEC and I do think we possibly could use change in the near future, Mr Adams is always criticizing UT. It is funny how we all forget that Fulmer was considered one of the best coaches in America from 1997-2002. Sec title with Peyton (of course Nebraska opened up a can at bowl game), 98 natl title game, and one half away from playing natl title in 01. The Carolina Panthers tried to sway him away after 98 and I recall the fans getting nervous he would leave K-town. FOr all those disliking fulmer remember Bowden and Osborne could not win the big game supposedly for over a decade, now they are legends among their universities.

I could be wrong but I truly feel we will be in the natl title game one more time under fulmer.

Posted by ButchIsBack on July 20, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spurrier and Fulmer are the only coaches to win a National Title from the SEC since the Bear with their own players. Stallings, Miles, Saban and Myer had players from another man's tenure. Because Spurrier has more SEC titles I would give a slight edge to him.
1. Spurrier
2. Fulmer
3. Tuberville
4. Saban

The others are way behind.

Posted by invisiblekid on July 20, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good work Sheriff Kaplan, long overdue IMHO.

Anyway, I'd probably trade spots between Tubberville and Fulmer. Saying that Tuberville deserves comparable credit to a national title for the undefeated season is a bit like sounding the horn for winning an SEC East championship IMO. It's an impressive accomplishment but it still doesn't put a trophy in the case.

I'd also put Fulmer ahead of Miles as well. Let's see what Miles does with his own players. Being the first two loss national champions takes some luster off as well, especially considering they had 4 other games that could have went either way. LSU was just as close to having 6 losses last year as the Vols.

Hard to argue about Spurrier, Meyer, and Saban being the top three. Although I'd give Saban the edge over Meyer due to longevity and some extra credit for serving a title to Miles on a silver platter. In today's SEC, I don't think anyone will ever be able to match the numbers put up by Spurrier in his time at FL.

Suprised a mushroom cloud hasn't formed over this column yet, still early though.

Posted by KingsportVol on July 20, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General I think Ashley was at war with Workin.

Posted by BigMix on July 20, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This list seems more like a love hate list. It should read........
Spurrier
Fulmer
Miles
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
Nick Saban

Posted by vols0073 on July 20, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

replying to this joke...

Posted by kaplan on July 20, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You agree not to post comments that are off topic, defamatory, obscene, abusive, threatening or an invasion of privacy. Violators may be banned.

You have got to be F***ing kidding me! If you used that as a base line to ban people off of this site there wouldn't be anyone left to post on here!
The reason you ban people is when they step on the toes of the KNS staff or the people you allow to bash anyone who points out that this paper is a rag!
Kaplen....tell it like it really is and stop using that week excuse as the reason you ban people!

Posted by fasteddy41 on July 20, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

with all the 5-star coaches in the SEC beating up on each other, there will most likely not be a national champ from this group for several years.

Posted by BleedsOrangeinMO on July 20, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not real happy with the way the VOLS have played the last dew years either. But I do know this everytime the Vols are on TV (national or regional)the announcers at some point during the game comment that Tennessee is always a great measuring stick by which other teams test themselves. If the other team happens to beat the VOLS; then they must be a pretty good team. Usually the VOLS consistently win 8, 9,10 games a season. 90% of the D 1 teams who love to have that!!!!!! But here at Tenn we hold all of our teams to a higher standard. We expect, at least, conference championships every 2 or 3 years.

Hey Workin' and others like you I ask Fulmer gets fired who do you replace him with? The only one I can think of is the Boise St. head coach; he's had a couple of good years lately.

Posted by philfan on July 20, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WereInTrouble,

You still have not answered my question. Does WereinTrouble mean that you think we (Tennessee) were in trouble and are now not in trouble. Or did you mean to say, We're in Trouble (with Fulmer and the other coaches). That tiny little apostrophe makes all the difference in the world, or do you know nothing about English grammar?

My handle, philfan, leaves no doubt as to where I stand with Fulmer. I would rank Fulmer #2 on the list, right behind Spurrier. And I agree with bobbarbilly that a coach in the SEC with over 10 years of experience should be given special consideration.

Posted by kaplan on July 20, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can rip the newspaper or a staff member. Plenty do that and the comments remain. Criticism is fine. What Ashley suggested in the post and the comment previously to that I felt went over the edge.
Just keep it fun and clean.
And don't worry, we still have plenty of people left to post.

Phil Kaplan
"Deputy"

Posted by TommyJack on July 20, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vols0073 shot the sheriff, but he did not shoot the deputy.

Posted by spvol on July 20, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My canary enjoys Adams' columns and periodically leaves his comments on them.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 20, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kaplan,

Don't you find it to be in bad taste that you, as the deputy, feel compelled to let us know that Ashley was kicked off. I don't recall a time previously where you took it upon yourself to tell everyone when someone was kicked off. Shouldn't you be above the typical crap that goes on around these parts?

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just hope the spell check police can never get you banned. Or a little off topic, woo weee!

Like Kingsport, I like to read JA's input.

I never knew they made a Fulmer blow-up doll.

Who'd have a closet that big?

Posted by kaplan on July 20, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have done it before.

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"They may have been Zook's recruits but Zook couldn't do with them anything close to what Urb did."

That isn't known. UF didn't win with O that year. They didn't even avg 30 ppg if I remember correctly. They won with D... Zook's specialty... NOT Meyer's. Zooks last couple of O's avg'd as many or more pts as Meyer's first couple.

The fans hated Zook but as far as I know the players liked him. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities by any stretch that Zook would have taken that particular team and won a NC with it... look what he did in a couple of years at Illinois.

Posted by Vols1998 on July 20, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CPF is classier than all these coaches and I place M. Richet right behind him. If you want to award scumbags like Myer, Saban, Spurrier and Miles.....then JA, your priorities are screwed up.

Go Vols and CPF!!!

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just curious... while Adams is giving a blanket pass on any shortcomings he might have at USC while earlier calling for Fulmer's job... Which state produces the most HS talent year in/year out?

Some of you may not know this but SC currently has 11 players rated 4*... Tn has 3 with Marlon Brown a 5*. Over the previous 4 years here's the total 4/5* players produced(TN/SC):

5/12
10/10
3/7
4/6

I guess I'm confused as to why Spurrier gets a pass on losing at the flagship school in a state that has produced 46 highly rated players while CPF has to go in a state that's produced 26 during the same period.

And yes, it does have to do with conduct off the field. If you don't have homegrown talent with school loyalty, you take more chances on out of state kids that sometimes are passed over by instate schools that suspect potential behavior problems.

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vols1998, Don't forget that Adams was the one calling for Fulmer's job because of the conduct of former players... JA rashly jumped on Fulmer for the problems UT had early in the year... only to be embarrassed as UT's problems subsided while LSU, Bama, UGA, and others went on to have much worse issues to include robbery and cocaine distribution.

Don't ask the guy to have the right priorities or objectivity. He committed himself to seeing Fulmer gone awhile ago and gave those things up.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 20, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kaplan,

I stand corrected. My apologies.

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Welcome Back Kotter.....

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kappy - that may be true, but you lost half the boards post when you threw off TDTN. LOL.

Posted by cdldoc on July 20, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TDTN was is not a true fan and saying so is absurd. He posted too much and made a negative nuisance of himself. Besides, he is obviously still here under another moniker.

Posted by TommyJack on July 20, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Deputy Gabe..lol.

Liberate TDTN!

Posted by invisiblekid on July 20, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry for the mix up on the title earlier Deputy Kaplan. Still a good deed though.

Posted by Volfan1 on July 20, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Adams = no credibility.

Posted by ONUV on July 20, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the sheep won't like this

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov, Go back a few months. Adams wrote an article calling for Fulmer's head because of conduct problems... How could you not know that?

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Only several days till dolrums end and we can begin roiling in ernest, as in T. Bass.

Who by the way passed away in 2005. Ooops, slightly off topic, just like our DBs played, at times.

Posted by eefor10c on July 20, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SPVOL, Your canary's contribution greatly improves John Adams articles.

Posted by volwalk on July 20, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who cares what you think JA?? You lost all credibility when you called for Fulmer's head..The reasons you stated have been far exeeded by many of the SEC schools.
Fire Adams!

Posted by TommyJack on July 20, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McRib: 7 is bad here, too, but EIGHT IS ENOUGH.

Posted by vol98champ on July 20, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How in the world does Fulmer do it? Surely recruits hear and read this garbage. I'm sure the KNS will rank Fulmer as the least likely coach to get an offer from another school. Have you forgotten that Clemson was about to hire Fulmer if UT hadn't had the sense to replace the unhappy Majors? I saw the walk through in "92 when Majors came back. That was the most angry team I have ever seen. They sure weren't angry with Arkansas! Fulmer has never to my knowledge complained. I wouldn't trade him for any SEC coach. Put them in Fulmer's situation and Fulmer in theirs and Fulmer would win more than any of them.

Posted by iowavol on July 20, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Didn't read the article, never will read another Adams article. The comments though only cement the consensus opinion that Adams is a worthless columnist who generates more ire and apathy with every word he writes. Bottom line, Adams is puny man who hides behind a pen. Can't wait to see him in public. Bet he pees his pants.

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim... 7 games? Zook took Illinois to the Rose Bowl this past year. Best year they've had in a long, long while. He's had two top 25 recruiting classes in a row.

Give him another year or so and he may give tOSU trouble. Illinois is a very talent rich state. Champaigne is within a couple of hours of Chicago and some of the most sports hungry fans in the country.

I think he's already lifted the bar above 7 wins.

Posted by stroker on July 20, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 and vol98champ good posts!

Posted by BigMix on July 20, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is John Adams the totem of the totem pole at KNS?

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

btw, mcbrim. Zook managed to finish 2nd, 1st, and 3rd in the SECE in his three seasons @UF... What were UM's finishes?

Hypothetical. If CPF learns to beat UM as he has other coaches that have stayed around long enough for him to figure them out and stop being intimidated.... Will you guys toss Urban overboard too? How much loyalty did the NC gain him? You've already seen a 9-4 season... what if he has an 8-5 this year or next?

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John Adams is a guy who should swallow his pride, apologize, and admit that using former players as a justification to call for Fulmer's firing was a non-objective, unreasonable reach... unworthy of a high profile professional journalist.

Posted by sjt18 on July 20, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Note I didn't say apologize for calling for CPF's job or being critical... only for using a bad argument to get there.

Posted by BleedsOrangeinMO on July 20, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll ask this question again.
If not Fulmer; then who would you have at Tenn for Head Coach?
I noticed that none of those who are always negative on here has answered this question.
I asked this question several hours ago (at 2:03PM).

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet TDTN is running around with a pitch fork and stabbing Ashley. He never liked her / him. Of course, TDTN never liked anyone. He was the Devil!
Glad Kappy keeps law and order. Good job Deputy.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 20, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bleeds - what a silly question. We already have the greatest coach on the planet.

Posted by TurboFan on July 20, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BleedsOrangeinMO, your a couple of years behind the times. That discussion has happened multiple times on this board. Specifically last year in the middle of the season for one.

Does Deputy Phil shooting down the Ash give new meaning to "pop a Kap?"

Posted by BleedsOrangeinMO on July 20, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TurboFan,

That maybe true. But in coachng circles 2 years is a life time. Coaches that were "available" are no longer and coaches that were not available are now or will be at the end of the season. Coaches play musical chairs every season. I'm not behind the times I'm trying to get ahead of the curve!

So what happened to Ashley? Must have been really potty mouth.

Posted by 99gator on July 20, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

spurrier

1990 9-2
1991 10-2 (sec title)
1992 9-4

meyer

2005 9-3
2006 13-1 (sec title and national title)
2007 9-4

eerily similar. not saying meyer will do what spurrier did. but, don't laugh at a suggestion that he may be building something special.

the recruiting classes have been disgustingly good, so florida being in the sec championship hunt on a year in, year out basis is not far fetched..

Posted by Colliervol on July 20, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Adams picks Fulmer as 6th best coach in the conference. Imagine that. Dog bites man, film at 11. Tell me something I didn't know. He only writes this article about twice a year.

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet JA's dog likes him. And every negative post cements him with the KNS.

Because you read it.......

Posted by ZR on July 20, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sales, Fulmer does *NOT* have the highest winning percentage. Adams just listed out Richt's numbers, which are higher than Fulmer's best 7 years and total career.

Do you only consider coaches weighing over 400 pounds?

All-Division-All-time: Larry Kehres - Mount Union .923 (as of 12/10/07)

Major-College-All-Time: Knute Rockne - Notre Dame .881 Fran/
Major-College-Modern Era: Barry Switzer - Oklahoma .837 Tom Osborne - Nebraska .836

Major-College-Active: Pete Carroll - University of Southern California .844

Fulmer is

Posted by tnsupervol on July 20, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Giving SOS so much credit for what happened at Duke in 1989 and taking nothing away from him for USC still being an also ran seems uneven...To be fair Duke was Co-Champs with UVA and this was the ACC before FSU,VT,UM and BC. In a word the league was average....that championship Duke team also went 8-4 overall....Overall the SEC has a group of coaches who have accomplished a lot on the field....they all are pretty good coaches

gbo

Posted by MadMax on July 20, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Spurrier is a good coach but winning the ACC while at Duke was much like winning CUSA when he was there. Clemson was on probation and there was no FSU, Miami or Va Tech in the ACC at that time.

As far as Tubberville rebuilding Ole Miss, he was 12-20 vs the SEC with 5 of the victories against Vandy. His 13-0 season although playing in the SEC, only 3 teams on the entire schedule had winning records and the non-conference schedule against Citadel, La Monroe and La Tech was an embarrassment.

Nick Saban's coaching record has been a yo-yo. A good year and a bad year. Before he rates that high as a coach he needs to find some consistency in winning.

Meyer and Miles have been playing mainly with someone else's recruits. We shall see how they do after 5-6 years at their respective jobs.

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 20, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, Custer was closing in on the Sioux too.

Posted by pdhuff on July 21, 2008 at 6:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Love him or hate him, Steve Superior believed in taking it down the field.

Posted by rockytopron on July 21, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My list for what its worth

1. Phil Fulmer

2-12 who cares

Go Vols!

If you think last years East title was shocking, wait until this year!

Posted by rusty_shackleford on July 21, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What has little stevie superior done lately? Since leaving the furtile fields of FLA, NOTHING!

This is simply another article by Tuscaloosa John that ads nothing to the body of knowledge in sports "journalism" but does stir the pot. After his much appreciated hiatus from GVX, we get this? Thanks.

Posted by VenomousVol on July 21, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ashley got zapped?? Haw! Haw! The collective IQ of this site just jumped three points. Great article John, keep beating the sheep over the head with the truth and maybe they will see the light. The next jumping off point for the Fulmer band wagon will be on Sep. 20 after mean old Urban Meyer hangs 50 on ole #6 in Neyland.

Posted by GerryOP on July 21, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmmm? Adams says Coach Fulmer is #6, Hamilton pays him as #7. Guess Ol' Phil will be asking for another raise?

Posted by TommyJack on July 21, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gerry: A better question is, What game do you choose as the "Rollover Bowl", i.e. CPF's 8th win of the year. Thus a contract extention..Does an Outback win qualify? Questions.

Posted by bobbarbilly on July 21, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Venomous Vol, I never knowed no real clairvoyant before. How you be 'a knowing all that? I wuz 'a wantin' to watch thet game down to the general store and now you done went and told me the ending.

Posted by VenomousVol on July 21, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not sure. I heard from a reliable source that Coach Fulmer had "circled" this game on his calender. I did not know this at the time of my last post. It was pointed out to me that not only had this game been "circled" but there was also the possibility that the team will also be looking for "revenge". If these two things are true then all bets are off. Circling a game on the calender and the revenge factor are documented ways to make up for deficits in talent and coaching. The Vols will probably beat Florida. If CPF happens to write the score from last year on the board before the game it will be a blowout.

Posted by VolGraduate on July 21, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

freedom of speach is not alive and well on this site....unless you are getting paid to tear the home town hero's apart. does a florida or alabama alum own this newspaper?

Posted by BigMix on July 21, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IT'S GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!!!!

Posted by vols0073 on July 21, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by pdhuff on July 20, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet JA's dog likes him. And every negative post cements him with the KNS.

Because you read it.......

The KNS residential subscription fell 17.6 % after JA's hatchet job....I really bet the KNS loves him for that! Rumor is they cant pay the mortgage on the new building and they are asking the city to give them more tax credits on the business. But they have stepped on two many toes here in Knoxville and cant get it approved. I really hope this company goes under and take all these want-to-be reporter down with it.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on July 21, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is great...Ashley got banned. LOL!!!!! I wasn't even in on this one.

Posted by GerryOP on July 21, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, Rollover Bowl? Vandy or UK.

Start practicing the mantra for this year: "Inexperienced QB, new OC, new offense." Repeat 10 times upon arising in the AM and before bedding down in the PM. Also, the phrase "Only 7th best paid" will probably be heard frequently.

Of course, all of the above will change if Pennington and Adams start writing critical articles each week!

Posted by vols0073 on July 21, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a quote that describes most of the whiners on this site!

"Then there is the legion of the miserable; they will always be miserable." Johnny Majors

GO VOLS!...He was right. you will always be miserable! GO AWAY!

Posted by HotlantaVol on July 21, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not necessarily disputing this list, because it is one person's opinion. However, it seems a little biased against CPF in that Spurrier's rank is completely being based off his earlier work while CPF is judged by his entire body of work. Furthermore, Tuberville is ranked based on one season. That doesn't seem exactly fair and balanced. If you only look at CPF's first 8-9 years, he should be up there in the three or four spot, not six. IMHO.

Posted by GerryOP on July 21, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a quote that describes many of the Fulmerite lemmings:

"I see said the blind man when he couldn't see at all."

Your theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBpK7D...

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP!

Great video. How poignant too.

Anyway...the "rumors"...as usual...are simply "rumors." KNS is alive and doin' fine. The drop off in circulation had nothing to do with Adams "hatchet job" but is simply a reflection of print media all over the Country. Just ask the LA Times, NY Times, et al. Wait! Does John write for them too!!!!????

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Defensive tackles should be like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BlDWdfTAx8...

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The GoVolsXTRA sobriquet:

"I know that you believe that you understand what you think I said. But, I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

Posted by invisiblekid on July 21, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TNGeoff, 4:09, exactly.

Posted by tigermanic44 on July 22, 2008 at 4:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

anyway....we have a bunch of damn good coaches in the SEC. Spurrier # 1....the rest put them in a hat. Who gives a damn. If I had a high school team, I would give them a job.

Being a AU man...would rank Petrino 2nd...why cause maybe not a talent, he will prove he can out coach most with less talent. He is a offensive genius as far as calling plays..even better than Spurrier in his prime ...perhaps

Posted by pdhuff on July 22, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

8 is enuf.

7th highest is about right.

But the no DT approach is a little puzzling.

Stay tuned......

Posted by iwastherein98 on July 23, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Frankly, JA may not be that far off. Fulmer is a good coach but so are all of these other guys too. The league has caught up with Fulmer and hopefully Clawson can make an impact with some new wrinkles with his spread. Hopefully Clawson makes a better impact than Clausen.

Posted by posivol on July 24, 2008 at 1:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

j.a. what a hack you are,no credit to phil for recruiting w/ one if not both hands tied behind his back.wish you would write your stories under the same circumstances.seriouly i just wish you would leave knoxville and never come back.

i have found much better sites to support the vols and come here less and less often,im sure im not the only one!

phil wont be the undoing of the vols but dont be so sure that j.a. wont be the undoing of kns.