Posted by OrangeNugget on July 21, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1st, Go Vols!

Posted by Jdavol on July 21, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

look for Gerald Jones to have an outstanding year

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has to be a joke. Massaquoi? UT fans pick on Rogers because he dropped a few... but he also caught alot. Massaquoi's whole career has been dropping balls all over the field. Both Rogers and Briscoe had more catches and yardage than Massaquoi... Guess that's what hype gets you?

Oh yeah, in comparison to that group... What exactly does Big Dan have to do to get at least a 3rd team nod?

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good job guys. Let's turn those pre-season honors into wins and post-season honors.

GO Vols!

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt,

Dan probably should have gone to Georgia, that would have helped his chances to get on this list...HYPE HYPE HYPE...time to back it up Georgia, good luck with that schedule.

Posted by utvolz on July 21, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lee Ziemba is at Auburn, not Tennessee!

Frank in Miami

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sjt18, our minds think alike. Massaquoi is just another example of how overratted the dawgs are this season. 73 catches and 1000 yards from Lucas Taylor could not touch the absolute pathetic year Massaquoi had last year,HUH??? Lee Zimbia???? Who the H###? Poor Josh McNiel, an NFL talent and probably a top 5 center nationally. But since 3 of the top 5 C are in the SEC, he really get's overlooked.

Posted by VolGraduate on July 21, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

glad to know kns gave us a player named lee ziemba. i hope he's good

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand why he didn't make the list (out of sight out of mind), but at season's end (if he keeps the grades up), Mr. Morely will easily make this list. If there was a player more impressive than Berry in the O&W Game, it was Morely. He blew up a WR coming across the middle (they had to sweep him up) and he had an IT as well. The guy is good. Moorely reminds me a lot of Dale Carter -not quite as good, but not far from it.

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm pretty much thinkin' our offense is going to be devastating! Sco Vols!

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Heh Drew - Can you give us some DT's?

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General,

he gave us Ziemba on the offensive side as a replacement...

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on July 21, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DaddyVol and Sjt18,

Do teams have to plan a defense around stopping Taylor, Roscoe, and Briscoe? There's your answer.

Posted by Volchaz on July 21, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the info, Drew. You are the man.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey mo... Do teams have to plan a defense around stopping Massaquoi, K Williams, or several other players on that list?

There's your answer. Dickey Lyons is better than Massaquoi.

Posted by longtimefan on July 21, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jonathan Crompton not first team qb? what are you guys thinking? dont try to make up for it at the end of the year! too late then. but i want to be the first to tell you, I TOLD YOU SO! I guess you dont have to be too smart to be a coach.

Posted by Greyback_Vol on July 21, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Little surprised by Foster and Taylor getting these nods, although they are both deserved. Both were really overlooked last year by anyone outside TN. I look for Foster to have a huge year.

Preseason awards are what they're worth. I'd rather have some post-season awards.

Posted by auttat on July 21, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HAHAHAHA! John Parker Wilson!!!!

Sadly enough, he doesn't get to play TN 12 times this year

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey slim, Who sets up their D to stop Massaquoi? No one!! I'm gonna change my name to PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSMARTONE. And the NOTSOSMARTONE is YOU!!

Posted by SeanJean on July 21, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can someone tell me why Stafford continues to get accolades? What in the world has this dude ever done since high school?

Posted by iowavol on July 21, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Not sure about some of these choices. Good for our guys being mentioned, but leaving Morely off even though he is being readmitted to the the university is ludicrous. Only having two defensive players should motivate the rest of the guys for sure.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SeanJean - not much is the answer. Who would you put in front of him. The SEC is not at strong at QB this year. Crompton doesn't deserve attention given his lack of snaps, so don't even go there.
I think for Alabama's Parker to the rated #3rd says it all about the SEC being down at QB this year. Bodes well for Florida - Heisman or Bust.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on July 21, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do UT fans get a bad rap? See sjt18 and DaddyVol....
Our guy's don't get the recognition they should..........WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Our guys are better than their guys......WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you to call me the NOTSOSMART one is NOTSOSMART on your part. This was a coaches poll. A coaches poll that consists of 12 of the best coaches in the country (well maybe 11). When did you two earn the credentials to decide who was better? Sjt18's hero and mentor Fulmer took part in this poll so therefore it must be a good and true poll right?

Posted by DennisVols on July 21, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What does it say that last years Heisman winner was not a Unanimous selection?
At the end of the year Crompton's name will be on the list. Numbers won't lie and the results will make him 1st or 2nd team.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey mo. There are other WR's around the conf that deserve it more than Massaquoi. He wasn't productive last year and he's made a career of dropping passes.

My credentials? Don't need any when Massaquoi gets this honor ahead of about 7 returning WR's with better stats than his.

Why do UT fans get a bad rap?... Look in the mirror.

Posted by longtimefan on July 21, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

have a little faith General! i'll take Jon over any of those BOZOS! anyday! all day!

Posted by raynochonspeed on July 21, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Remember who's voting. The coaches.

They rarely have the luxury of watching as many games per weekend as we do, and they watch them with a different perspective.

This, I surmise, is the only realistic explanation for Eric Berry NOT being a unanimous selection, because anyone who saw him play from Week 4 on last year knows he is already deserved of that honor.

Posted by BigMix on July 21, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How can the heisman trophy winner not be the unanimous QB?

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General W, I completely agree that Morley will make this list by the end of the year. I also think if our secondary plays to potential, at least one more DB will make at least 3rd team. Hopefully a WR or two will emerge this year and make the list as well. Nothing against Taylor, but I expect other receivers to have better years. If somehow the stars align, and things fall just right, I hope for break out years for Dan Williams and Ben Martin. That would leave me giddy as a little school girl. :)And I think McClendon could have a great year on the o-line and make this list by year's end as well.

Posted by b_neas on July 21, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many yards did this wonderful Knowshon have against UT again last year? I still dont see why everyone is on his jock so. Or Ga's for that matter. 86-47 in the last 2 meetings. Total combined scores, you guess who had 86.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pleasegetridof@3:01pm:"Do teams have to plan a D around stopping Taylor, Rogers, and Briscoe?" We may not have an individual WR that dominates, but yes they do have to set up a scheme for all 3. I hope I see the day when a D coordinator does not worry about our entire recieving core. Let's see, should a D-coordinator worry more about Massaquio this season, or the vicious Knowshon Moreno/ Caleb King duo?? Should I even waste my time trying to explain this to you?

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

longtimefan - I do have faith in Jon Crompton. I just don't think a QB with as little experience as he has should be considered for ALL-SEC. WHy would he? He hasn't done anything yet. I am cautiously optimistic that he will be on the list going into next year.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't agree with sjt18 on everything, but I do agree that Massaquoio is over rated. He was a largely a bust last season.

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmm... I am not a Tebow fan, but how is it he wasn't a unanimous decision? I started wondering maybe who it was that didn't vote for him. First thought was CPF for some reason, but after thinking it over, I kind of wonder if it was the old ball coach. Timmy doesn't exactly fit the mold of a Spurrier qb and we all know how much Stevie loves his qbs. Somehow I think Stafford would be more to Spurrier's liking.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What General said...

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey General, I watched Morley at O/W game and he was FABULOUS!!!! I think that was Quinton Hancock that he murdered over the middle. He is a threat like Berry once his hands touch that ball too. He kinda reminds me of Ed Reed with his body language and the way he covers centerfield, not to mention the #20 he wore 2 years ago. But the hit on Hancock shows a very physical side, which is why I like General's comparison to Dale Carter. A mixture of Ed Reed and Dale Carter, He's sure to make ALL-SEC!!

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spurrier would love to have Stafford. He also recruited Jon Crompton VERY hard.

Posted by volroadwarrior on July 21, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't get worked up on pre season polls and rankings. The lower we are, the better we perform--or so it seems. The only problem with preseason polls is that many become an unfulfilled prophecy at the end of the year with everything else being equal.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Daddy. That was Quinton Hancock who looked (at least in that scrimmage) as one of our best WR's. He sure got belted by Morely. I turned to my buddy and said "SAME TEAM.....DANG - save some of that for Florida."

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't really know if I know Shon. General...you Know Shon?

Posted by gator4life on July 21, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Which coach didn't vote for Tebow? If Tebow finds out....he might circumcise him :-)

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, I agree with the General, for he is wise and all-knowing, lol. JC has not proven a thing. We all hope he will be great. I definately think he has the tools, but will it all come together? I hope so, but there's a reason for the season, and that's to let things be decided on the field of play. I think the Vols have the potential for greatness with this team, but it all has to come together. I know we have our weaknesses and that there are lots of areas that remain questionable, but I think we have personnel at all positions that could step up and be strong. The question is will they? If Fulmer and the staff coach these boys right, they will. I think this is one of those seasons where we will really see just how good our coaching staff is, or isn't. It should definately be an exciting and interesting season. I expect this board will be lit up all season long.

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BSweet.

Just a thought. Talking about Cromptons "tools" in an active thread with Tebow in the mix is a recipe for distateful comments. I agree that the General is wise and all knowing and if I hadn't beaten him to it I'll bet the would helped you the same way.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Genera, Hancock looked good inO/W game this year, and I thought he looked even better last year in O/W game. Wonder what the deal is there? Plus with very limited PT, didn't he make some plays when he got a chance late last year?

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 21, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Three Florida DB's on 3rd team. I've seen comments that they aren't very good back there, but the coaches seem to think they have some talent.

Posted by longtimefan on July 21, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BSweet, yes, you and the General are right, but its hard to prove anything when you cant get on the field. if your starting qb is hurt, why not let him sit for a game and let your backup play? if he cant do the job then put your starter in. Ainge played hurt anyway! at least he could have got some experience.

Posted by auttat on July 21, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With Training Camp getting ready to start in the NFL, any chance we get some info on former Vols and where they are and how they are faring? As much as I enjoy reading about Kenny Stabler, something else may be a little more to my liking.

I would definitely like to get some info on Meachem. Poor guy, just hope he sees a uni this year, sheesh!!

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 21, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know Shon Moreno. Shon Moreno is a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Shon Moreno.

Posted by LSUfan on July 21, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You will KNOW 'SHON this year, count on it! I dread playing that team even in the valley.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General, Agree on Crompton. If he has a great season then his honors lie on the other side. Same thing for J Sneed and whoever ends up QB at Aub and USC.

You can't put him in there right now... but that hardly means that Wilson or Stafford really deserve it either. Neither are as good now as Ainge was heading into last year.

I really don't have a problem with most of those picks as pre-season All-SEC. Just Massaquoi being in and Big Dan getting no love at all.

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff, ouch! I really hadn't thought of that. Let's keep Timmy away from sharp instruments. It brings a new meaning to "running with scissors".

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson Phillips for Heisman! This guy is outstanding! To heck with Tebow. How was he not the consensus 1st team selection?

Posted by RJ_Vol on July 21, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, Drew! I can't believe we didn't have any special teamers named...No, I am just kidding. Jasper Brinkley is second team LB!? If he stays healthy, he may be first team All-American. If Morley can make the grades, he will be at least second team All-SEC IMO.

On a tangent...Has anyone heard about Chris Donald's progress? I would think he would be getting in the mix soon. Someone brought him up on another thread recently as a potentially good, upcoming LB? What's the word? Also, will Abrams-Ward get into the receiver/TE rotation as a true freshman? He seems too good to leave on the bench at 6'5"...Assuming Gerald Williams gets to play, does he go to DE or LB? As I write this, it seems Tenn has a lot of unproven talent w/ much upside.

Posted by tngeoff on July 21, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bigger_Al.

Really good one!

Bigger_Al.

That's the spirit! Awareness! Timmy the snipper.

Posted by RJ_Vol on July 21, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith Parker Woodrow Owen Wilson became a Heisman candidate last year due to our loose coverage. If someone watched tape from that game, I don't know how you'd rate our DBs. We played so far off Bama's receivers that you couldn't even see our DBs on TV! Seriously, for me seeing the Vols lose to Alabama is way worse than losing to UF. Let's get those two things corrected this year!

Posted by invisiblekid on July 21, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"What does it say that last years Heisman winner was not a Unanimous selection?"

It says to me not to pay any attention to this list DennisVols. I am obviously not a FL fan but whoever didn't vote Tebow should be ashamed of themselves.

Stafford and Wilson got on the list pretty much by default. Beyond those two and Tebow, QB is pretty much an unproven or underwhelming position across the SEC. Not knocking Crompton, but he has to prove himself on the field first and I think he'll get plenty of recognition at the end of the year.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCFL, if you are going to award this on the basis of talent and potential... Vinson and Willingham have just as much business on the 3rd team as UF's three guys.

Vinson was better than Pierre-Louis even after converting to CB during the season and playing with one arm.

If Wright deserves it... Morley definitely does.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LSUfan, If you can find some O... you'll beat UGA. The matchup between your D and their O favors you heavily.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RJ-

I seem to remember a few plays where John - Jessica dropped back, had all day before the pass rush got there, then (s)he had to throw up an absolute duck of a prayer of a pass as (s)he was being leveled, and the dang ball still found a way to come down in a Bammer reciever's hands. God was on Bammer's side last year. St. Peter probably wasn't equipped to deal with all the Bammer suicides if they had lost to ULM, Auburn, and UT all in the same year.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on July 21, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Every UT starter should be on the preseason All Sec team right sjt18 or should I say "The Orange Kool Aid King". Whatever you do, never look at teams or players outside of Knoxville.

Posted by longtimefan on July 21, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleedORANGE, still laughing at 5:12 post! keep up the good work! keep the names comin! HA HA

Posted by oldorange on July 21, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We must remember this is the pre-season poll. The one that matters comes out in January.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SLIM-

Stj is pretty objective. He is critical of the coaches and players at times, but he's also capable of giving praise where praise is due. Haters like yourself aren't capable of this objectivity which is why all y'all feel like he's drunk on the Kool Aid. If anyone on here is perpetually drunk on the Kool Aid, it would probably be me. I'm fine with this by the way. I don't plan on sobering up any time in the forseeable future... unless we fall flat on our face this year. Then I might join you, workin, and PD.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Every UT starter should be on the preseason All Sec team right sjt18 or should I say "The Orange Kool Aid King"."

No. Never said that... didn't even say that Morley or Vinson SHOULD be on one of the teams. You actually wouldn't make so much of a fool of yourself if you actually read what people write.

"Whatever you do, never look at teams or players outside of Knoxville."

Precisely what I was doing Mo. Wright and Pierre-Louis have no more business as 3rd team preseason SEC selections than Morley or Vinson. Maybe the coaches ran out of guys they thought were any good? I don't know.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't worry IBO.

I don't usually feed the trolls but I'm just in a mood today... to see just how stupid this guy can make himself look.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on July 21, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleedOrange444 -

I understand where you are coming from. I am maybe a little too harsh on the team and program but some people like yourself (and the coach) are not harsh enough. I firmly believe that is why there has not been a SEC championship in 10 years. Everyone has become so complacent on losing 3 games every year and that generally is what happens. Life is too short and the time goes by too fast for me to accept this year in and year out. I simply demand more out of this program and refuse to support it until it happens. Call me a fair-weathered fan if you want. Just as I call you all idiots for believing that things are going to get better under this coach.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oldorange, that is definitely true.

These preseason things are about doing what they've done here... stir up the fans before the season starts.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Mo.

Could you maybe explain why all 3 returning DB's from the SEC's WORST PASS DEFENSE made 3rd team preseason All-SEC?

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Mo. Being demanding doesn't mean throwing all vestiges of objectivity out the window. You can easily be critical of things that are bad and costing the team without claiming that even the good is bad.

Posted by IPOrange on July 21, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What? Tebow wasn't unanimous? Meyer should demand a recount. After all, he won the GQ ESPY award last week.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well call me the perpetual optimist, but I still think we can get it done under Fulmer. If we can't win the SEC in the next two years, I'll be singing a different tune.

I hate the way our schedule sets up this year with virtually all of our SEC East foes getting a bye week before they play us, and I'd really like to see the UF game moved back in the schedule towards the end of the season. That game usually plays a key role in who represents the East in the SECCG so you'd think they would want to move it back to hype it up even more. You gotta play the hand you're dealt though.

I'll keep the Kool Aid cold 'till September rolls around!

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey slimone, you call us ALL idiots but man you need work yourself. You said you demand more out of the program, and you refuse to support it until then. If that's the case then get lost, and when we have what you would consider a good year then get back with us!! You have tried to but heads with everyone on here, yet you never make a point, always sh## talk. Usually when the entire board disagrees with you then you are wrong. It's happened to me and everyone else on her, but now is your turn. Do your homework next time before you come out to play, understand!!??

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DaddyVol-

When do I get my turn "on her"?

J/K. I should know better than to joke on someone's spelling, but I just couldn't let that one pass me by.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleed, not until I'm finished with "her". just kidding. I can spell on paper like you could not believe. But on this computer, I can't spell S#i#, spell it correct and it looks wrong on the screen. Spell it incorrect and it looks wrong.

Posted by TommyJack on July 21, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RJ_vol 5:21: Agree. No one could watch that game and not come away questioning the Chief. It was inexplicable.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just watched the UT 2007 season DVD including the Georgia game...

I know it's only one game but Georgia only had one drive that was any good (and that touchdown was a prayer pass)...the other touchdown they scored was a terrible pass interference call on Marsalous Johnson on his interception...

Knowshon was a joke (30 yds rushing), and Stafford was extremely mediocre...so they are supposed to survive a murderous schedule and are early favorites for #1? I'm confused...

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DaddyVol-

LOL!

VOLS85-

Wish I'd just got done watching that game! That one's sure to put a smile on your face. If we could get that kind of play out of our DL every game, we'd be in real good shape. Foster looked real good in that one too if I remember correctly.

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBO, other than for guys who have minor injuries, I don't think bye weeks have really helped UT alot.

I like UAB right in front of UF and NIU right in front of UGA. UF before Aub is tough as is the MSU, Bama, USC stretch.

Aub will be coming off LSU though. Bama will have played Ole Miss who may be improved this year.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VOLS85-

I don't have any objection to UGA being pre-season #1. Who would you put in their place? That'll just make us look that much better when we drag 'em out from between them hedges and back behind the woodshed.

Posted by General_Watermelon on July 21, 2008 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DaddyVol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWc...

IBleed: Take your turn

Posted by sjt18 on July 21, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBO, who deserves it more than UGA?

UF and USCw for starters. I see what you're saying as far as potentially helping UT... but UGA just doesn't deserve it.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately I had to watch the bama game shortly thereafter...and personally I don't think the Satan onside kick had any effect on the team...We came back strong and went up 14-10. Then the lack of Briscoe, Taylor caught up with us and the db's started giving 10 yards slack on DJ Hall every play...

I'm not entirely convinced that Daniel Lincoln shouldn't be All-SEC either...he was huge last year, and as a freshman, I don't recall many that have been better...

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt-

The bye weeks may not be too helpful but they'll give the other coaches an extra week to game plan for the new look offense as well as for the players to heal up. Hopefully Auburn gets dinged up pretty good by LSU. I'm hoping we get a rematch with them in the SECCG. A bunch of my friends out here are from New Orleans so I want some payback sh_t talking rights. I just hope playing those bums (UAB and NIU) right before what will arguably be the best two teams we will play all year doesn't lull us to sleep.

Posted by 99gator on July 21, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

brandon spikes was a unanimous selection and tim tebow and percy harvin weren't.....

somebody wanna take a shot and splain this to me (yes the mispellings were on purpose).

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99,

I'd blame Satan, he has been sniffing through Jimmy Johns' belongings...

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

G-W-

I'll have to check the youtube link when I get home. They've got those blocked at the office. Given the subject matter, I can only imagine what it might be!

sjt-

I can see UF, but their "D" has got to be a lot better than last year. My Pan Southernism (to use a term coined by Nashville's own Clay Travis) won't allow me to put USC at the top until they prove it on the field. IMO, the Buckeyes shouldn't even be allowed to play in a NC game again for another 2 years after their back-to-back epic failures. I think 2 real contenders that aren't garnering a lot of attention due to their respective conferences are West Virginia and Clemson. They're both stacked but either one will have to run the table to get a shot at the NC and it is almost a given that Clemson will choke up somewhere along the line. I could see Oklahoma as #1 with Sam Bradford coming back a year older and wiser and all of the great athletes around him. Other than that, I'd have to agree with the pundits and put UGA at the top.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99Gator, you know how bad we ALL HATE your beloved gators. I still have to say that Tebow is a no brainer as far as being unanimous, he should have been!! I'm not sure Harvin should have been unanimous but definately a 1st teamer

Posted by 99gator on July 21, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vol85

harvin and mckinley are the two 1st team receivers and difference between them is not a stream but an ocean.

with regard to tebow.....half of last year's qb's in the league are gone. this is not a year where there is a danny wuerffel and a peyton manning.

just don't see it.

all of this doesn't matter at all...but, i just hate this because i don't think it's an honest vote.....and neither are the top 25 polls and those do matter.

Posted by budd on July 21, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope and pray uga is the number one pick. If you listen to the ATL papers and radio and watch the helmet size its already swelling. Can't wait for some of that national hype to swell em to Macy Parade size. Then watch em deflate after we get done with em

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General, you naughty boy you!!HAHA

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, as much as I hate the Gayters I really can't see how Tebow wouldn't be a unanimous 1st team All-American let alone 1st Team All-SEC QB. The guy's amazing. I watched part of the Heisman Trophy Ceremony from last year on ESPNU the other day and I wanted to puke. It was like an hour long Tebow bl_w job. Every ESPN talking head took his turn.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-

Our opinions don't have to be based in reality. That's what the Kool Aid is for. When we want your opinion we'll give it to you, OK Gayter fan? BTW, you're right I'll bet no coaches outside of UT had any idea who these two guys were.

http://tennessee.rivals.com/viewprosp...

http://tennessee.rivals.com/viewprosp...

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCflorida, Morley was a 5 star recruit from Miami,Fl. Let me guess, Florida wasn't recruiting him, correct.?.?

Posted by 99gator on July 21, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

daddyvol

florida wanted him very badly.

when he flunked out at tenn, i thought florida got lucky for having missed one. but, he's back

Posted by Navalorange on July 21, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I cant prove it because the article was about 3 wks or a month ago. ESPN was running down the SEC and their guy said TN's DB's would be the best in the SEC overall. I have read something to that effect on CBS sports. They remembered Morley before his academic problems and said he was an EB type safety. Maybe sjt or some others read the same thing. I understand you UFers cant bring yourselves to believe that one of our groups could be better than the mighty gators groups, but I truley believe that you will admit it when you see it for yourselves.

Posted by Navalorange on July 21, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh and I forgot, the coaches ALWAYS get the preseason polls right, right?

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, we lost Morely for a year due to grades, but he looked very much the part of a 5 star before he got the axe. Vinson was going to be a reciever until the lack of depth forced him into action in the secondary. It was a trial by fire, but he'll be ready to go this year.

I never said they should be on the list ahead of UF's guys, but I can see how some could make that case. Bottom line is that list doesn't mean squat. I just like giving y'all a hard time 'cause you're Gayter fans.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

teammate to a heisman trophy winner? Where can we find that award?! Sign me up! Since they are very interrelated being one of them is on offense, one on defense!

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-

But is all that worth it because, at the end of the day, he would have still been a punk _ss Gayter?

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCflorida, looks to me like he missed out on being a 3rd team SEC DB by not going to U.F. Isn't that what you are so hyped about, your 3 3rd team SEC DB's? I'll bet 2 years ago everyone knew who Morely was, and they are gonna know this year!! If you go back to the 06' class and look at Brent Vinson, Florida recruited him too. Guess you don't know who he is either do you?

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

3 NAMES THAT WILL BE ON LIST AT END OF THE YEAR WIL BE BRETT HELMS C LSU, WILL HILL S FLA,D MORELY S TENN

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-

No problem... punk _ss Gayter.

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you're just so full of yourself I enjoyed calling you out on it

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

massaquoi is a joke, product of independance high and uga hype machine

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Y'all better watch out talkin' 'bout Muhammed like that. He might go straight jihadi on that azz!

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dc nooooooooo , way to go man , now seanjon or mikesean or whatever his name is will be spewing his political nonsense. thanks

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-

Everything I've read about Morely leads me to believe that he hasn't missed a beat on the football field and has dedicated himself in the classroom as well. He's got a little daughter that is guiding him in the right direction and forcing him to be a man these days. He's all business now which is kinda scary because he was damn good before when he was just screwing around.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He does live in the South, so he'll probably vote Republican no matter what is in his best interest. That's all I'm going to say about politics on this site.

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ibleed , i hope your right we need this guy on the field , i think he and berry can be special if everything falls in place (d-line , grades, disciplinary issues).

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sometime a kid needs an eyeopener like getting kicked out of school to regain his focus , and find out what is really important

Posted by VOLS85 on July 21, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you watched the O&W game you will know that Morley has not lost a beat...he was a monster all over the field, and that's not the kool-aid talking...

In '06 he had 51 tackles, two interceptions, and a blocked kick in 10 games as a starter...not bad for a first year starter...

Posted by Navalorange on July 21, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

According to an article on this site, before his return was publicized, Morley ask for a meeting with coaches to assure them that not only were his grades turned around, but so was his life. I made it a point to watch him at the O&W game. As 85 said, he was absolutely all over the place. He looked very good. He and Berry looked like they had been communicating longer than just the spring.

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 21, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCflorida - You are right that we should have "gotten" your DB's last year, except that our inexperienced WR's plus a QB with a badly broken finger on his throwing hand (plus an undisclosed shoulder injury) left us ill-equipped to take advantage of them. And you also have a good point on Morley - we'd beaten LSU in 2006 if he simply broke up a 4th down pass he was in position to break up. I don't think you improve that much with a year away from football.

But, he does have athletic prowess and apparently a renewed hunger. We shall see if he is the playmaker he potentially can be.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, other than Major Wright, you act as if the 3rd team AllSEC dbs from Fla. are household names. Hate to tell you but they are not!! I really like Major Wrights game, a very hard hitter.

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

be careful guys they have a guy named will hill that may be an houehold name before season is over

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me guess, Florida's DB's were young last year, but now with experience they will Dominate. U.T.'s DB's were young last year, but now with more experience our guys are nobodies who can't get it done.?.? Typical Florida fans!

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all i know is i want tebow and stafford on a platter

Posted by Bigger_Al on July 21, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is Major Wright the same guy as Major Wingate?

Posted by BAMABLOWS on July 21, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

major payne

Posted by Navalorange on July 21, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If he is that's a Major Wrong.

Posted by OrangePower11 on July 21, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC,

Whoa brother, where'd all that venom come from :)

Seriously, pre-season awards are a bunch of trash. Berry and Wright are very comparable in terms of talent IMO. Vinson is a better athlete than Wondy, but Wondy may be a better corner at this stage of the game. Will Hill will probably be the starter come UT time, but I'd take Morley over Hill until I see him play college ball (not being condescending, just saying I'll withold judgement). Comes down to overall depth, and UF can not match our secondary there IMO

Let's wait until the season's dust settles and then dispute the SEC Awards, but I will say Percy and Tebow NOT being unanimous should tell us all we need to know about the politics of pre season polling.

Food for thought....what if opposing coaches hyped up a certain unit they had plans of undressing for the purpose of making their efforts look even better? Not as outrageous as some may think.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Will Hill will be an absolutley great player. DC, do you re4member the Auburn game where wright hit their RB. I mean Auburns RB was in open field running full spead. He met Major Wright running full speed. Both kept going fullspeed, but auburn RB after the hit went full speed in reverse. A hit that kinda' reminded me of the hit Atwater put on Christian Okoye that time. I still don't like him, but got much respect and I do like his type!

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Any freshman safety in D-1 should not put 220lb. RB's on their A55, but he did. Taylor Mayes for USC trojans is the best safety in the country hands down. I know vol fans will disagree but the truth is the truth. But Berry is top3 and Wright is a top 5 Safety. He won't get credit for it now but by seasons end, he will be. Will Hill on the other hand will need 4-5 SEC games to catch up, Kinda like Berry did last year. That's where Morley having SEC experience is gonna take our DB's to the next level.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-

Well looking at Will Hill's profile, it looks like the Gayters got themselves a good one. There's no doubt he'll be billed as UF's answer to E.B.

We'll see how it plays out on the field. A couple things that stood out to me on the two profiles side-by-side:

1) E.B. has got Jill Lill beat in the speed department.

2) He's got Little Jilly beat in the intelligence department.

3) And let's face it; your boy Jill looks like a poor man's O-Dogg from Menace To Society.

Y'all can keep him.

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That one on Hester looked like wright was at a stand still, so I'll give him that. The one on Rainey looked much like the one against Auburn, but Auburn back was 220lb. If Major Wright and Eric Berry were on the same team, people would DIE, and there ain't no 2 ways about it!!

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on July 21, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

G.W.-

LMAO! Ahh nothing get's me pumped for the upcoming college football season quite like a video with dudes in open-chested unitards! I had so much more respect for that song, and Chipper Jones for that matter, before I saw the video. I guess that was just par for the course back in those days though.

Posted by BigOrangeVol on July 21, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't get the JPW thing either; even 3rd Team. His completion rate is only 56% and he's a lock for 1.7 Int's per game. I guess what they see is 213 ypg and 2.85 TD's per game but HE HAS A 13-12 RECORD!!! How he can be on the Unitas and Maxwell lists too is just beyond me!

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we could get Massequoi and John David Booty Parker Wilson hooked up somehow, we would have the 2nd coming of Rice and Montana,HUH.?.?(LOL)

Posted by BIGEJ on July 21, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Every year talk radio, the papers, the internet blogs are filled with the asininity of individuals, such as but not limited to; “sport”writers, NBA-BBBO- Never been athletic but by blog only”, “the six pack, arm chair coach,” and just plain stupid. They equip their defense with derisory, baseless, veracious “facts” conjured in their consciousness of inanity.

The fanatic, whether, inane or astute is granted the freedom of speech by voice or pen in this great nation of ours.

As any can see by some of these postings, the diminutive inane mind cannot remain silent; a silence allowing them some dignity but nay, they prefer spew their rhetoric. The masses weigh, measure, and find these wanting. For on the field of any conflict, the properly equipped, trained and properly motivated prevail.

For those who oppose the Vols, whether the seasonal Benedict Arnold or adversary, it is basic.

You are either a Vol or you are not a Vol. The rest is B.S. Basically Sh…dung.

I AM …..A VOLUNTEER; GO VOLS

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BIGEJ, isn't it GREAT to be a TENNESSEEVOL?!?!

Posted by BIGEJ on July 21, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SIMPLY..YES

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Truthfully, these preseason polls are pointless. Let's see where everyone stands at season's end. That's what really counts. And DC, your point about Timmy's Heisman earlier, he's lucky he didn't have to compete with Charles Woodson or he would have finished second.

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, 99, and all the gator fans who seem to enjoy spending their time here on a Vols website: I am not one to talk smack. It's just not my way. But I'm tired of hearing you guys complain about how we hype our "unproven" players while you guys hype Will Hill, CJ Rainey, and others. Can you say hypocrite? And while I'm getting things off my chest, since you all like to remind us of how you beat us last year, remind me how you guys did in the SEC championship game. Oh, that's right, you didn't play in it. But that's okay, you made up for it in your bowl game. Oops, my bad again. You lost to a Michigan team that lost to Appy State. Well dang! I guess your season last year wasn't so great either. If you want to come to a Vol site, please accept you are going to hear us hype our players. That's what fan sites are for. Don't complain and then tell us how great some of your players that have yet to touch the field are. You have great players, we have great players. Yippee for both of us. If you don't like what you hear here, then please, go back to your gator sites and talk your smack there.

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McBrim, grow a set. Stop with the hit and run tactics and actually try dialoging. Yep, we lost the SEC championship game, but we were there. Kind of sticks in your craw a little, doesn't it? And hey, we won our bowl game. Bet you wish your gators could have done that, too.

Kindest Regards

Posted by OrangePower11 on July 21, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Promptly lost huh Mcbrim?

You call complete domination for the better part of 3 quarters prompt???

Look at it like this, we BARELY lost to last years national champs, and were but an ABSOLUTELY BOGUS roughing the passer on Sissy Leak from blowing your doors off which would have nullified your N.C and ruined your life I'm sure.

LSU lost to ARKY, but guess who won the West.

104-82
5-1 in last 6 vs. Billy the Quit
19-18 overall series lead in football
Defending SEC Eastern Division Champs

Kindest Regards

Posted by BSweet on July 21, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McBrim, you're probably right about one thing. If Peyton had beat the gators, he probably would have won the Heisman. But any way you look at it, he got hosed. That's just the excuse they used to give it to a defensive player. But that's okay, he's probably better off not having won it. We all know how successful those Heisman qbs are at the next level. I mean lets look at the stellar NFL careers of Andre Ware, Gino Toretta, Eric Crouch, and FL's very own Danny Wuerffel. Betcha Danny would trade that oversized paperweight for Peyton's SuperBowl ring any day of the week. It's yet to be seen how Timmy will be in the NFL, but if he thinks he can run in the show like he does in college, well, his career will be short. I give him his props, he is a great college qb. But great in college doesn't always mean great in the NFL. Just ask any of my previous examples.

Kindest Regards

Posted by RichRollin on July 21, 2008 at 11:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, can't wait to see Timmy try to run over Tommie Harris or Brian Urlacher ffrom the Bears!! He will fizzle out like the rest of the GAYtor QB's in the pros.

Posted by cjraney on July 22, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DC-
You've sure got a lot of confidence in Will Hill who's never played an SEC game. I'm sure he will succeed in time, but do you think there might be an adjustment period? Perhaps the first 2 or 3 quarters against the Vols.

Posted by cjraney on July 22, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Also DC-
RE: Vinson, he played most of the season with a separated shoulder which had to be popped back in during the course of games. Hopefully that's why he dropped multiple INT's. He's no Will Hill, I'm just sayin...

Posted by 99gator on July 22, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bsweet

please don't lump me in with some of the other fans posting on here.

i generally don't talk smack. i also don't hype up players who haven't done squat yet, with minimal exceptions (i have spoken about a receiver named deonte thompson in the past).

in fact, usually, i stay away when they start to get into it with y'all

Posted by sjt18 on July 22, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IBO, I almost mentioned OU. They like USCw have a schedule difficult enough to be respectable but easy enough to negotiate undefeated.

Bullish on Clemson. They have a good opportunity to go undefeated if they don't choke.

Bearish on WVU. The shine of the new coach will wear off quickly. He isn't nearly as talented as Rich Rodriguez.

Posted by sjt18 on July 22, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IBO, I can't vote against my ultimate best interest or that of my neighbor- freedom and God given rights. Therefore, I cannot vote for the party that openly professes a desire to confiscate them... the Dimocrats... and that's all I got to say about that.

Posted by sjt18 on July 22, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DCFL, ALOT of the analysts know UT's DB's and rank them among the best in the country.

Berry isn't the best athlete on UT's team though that is often repeated by those who don't follow the team closely. Vinson is an athlete that Berry stands in awe of. I believe Berry called him a "freak".

Vinson started last season as a WR. Sometime after UF I believe is when he converted. By the end of the season, teams had stopped throwing his way very often. Last year, he played on almost all instinct and raw talent... now he's had a whole year to work on technique.

Posted by BigOrangeVol on July 22, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't believe I'm doing this but 99 is right and I'll defend him in that regard. He is actually more lucid and civil that a lot of OUR fans that post on here. I'll take cogent posts from 99 over the irrational, mundane, pedantic stupidity of 'slob and Jerkin' any day.

Posted by BSweet on July 22, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry 99. (just had a GET SMART flashback)I didn't mean to lump you in with the others. I generally try to stay civil with my postings, but yesterday was a bad day so I kind of went off a little. I just don't see the point in posters like McBrim who like to drop a snide comment here and there yet avoid an actual dialogue. Every one is entitled to their opinion, but at least have the nards to have an actual conversation and defend your opinion. You sir, are a gentleman. You will actually hold a conversation and discuss things civilly. And my experience with DC is that he will normally as well. Not all the time, but normally. To be honest, you two were thrown out there because you were the first two gator fans I thought of, and for that, I do apologize. Refering to an earlier post you made, I, like you, am surprised Tebow wasn't a unanimous choice. I understand Harvin not being unanimous a little because he does seem to get bit by the injury bug. I think he has loads of talent and is a huge threat, but if he can't avoid the injuries... I think if he can have an injury free year he will be unanimous on the final tally. He's just got to show some durability.

Posted by 99gator on July 22, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dcflorida

i just think, forgive me, that it is rude to go to another teams website and give people the business. if they came on a gator website, fine, fair game.

not everything i say about tennessee is positive. but, i try to make an argument that is presented with some sort of respect.

i am not perfect in this regard.....because after all, we are talking about football. but, i try to remember that i am intruding on other people's turf.

Posted by BSweet on July 22, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99- Thank you! There is something to be said for civility. You don't walk into another man's house uninvited and slap his wife and tell him that his dog's ugly.

DC- I'm sorry you feel that way. McBrim is a pathetic troll hiding behind anonymity who's only purpose is to be rude and hateful. But I mean that in the nicest way.(yes that's me actually using sarcasm) I don't troll gator fan sites hiding behind a screen name leaving a trail of bile and vitriol behind me. I'm sure there are vol fans who do, but I have no respect for them. Simply put, if you can't play nice, then please, feel free to take your ball and go home.

Posted by TommyJack on July 22, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCf: I would be willing to risk it with respect to the entertainment factor...GGX needed.

Posted by sjt18 on July 22, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DC, Just promise that you'll come back after the game this year and after any potential UF loss, OK? Don't be someone who talks smack then disappears when they have to eat their words.

I expect UF to have a good year. I think that UT has the best shot at beating them. The Vols should have a better team than many are expecting and playing in K'ville should help.

If UT wins, I'll be here. If they lose, I'll be here. I suspect that 99gator will be here either way too. Will you? I sincerely doubt we'll ever see mcbrim again if UT wins.

I actually think your jousting is usually fun and harmless. McBrim's stuff is usually pretty stupid... I don't think he brings "straight facts" except for the very obvious like "59-20".