Posted by ut_volfan on March 2, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sorry, but Chris shouldn't be getting more votes than Allan Houston. He was the only player on the team for 4 years...(sorry Lang)

Posted by ORANGEAND2 on March 3, 2008 at 4:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PUT IT THIS WAY--ASKING WHO IS THE BEST PLAYER IN UT'S HISTORY IS LIKE ASKING WHAT'S THE BEST ROCK & ROLL SONG EVER,OR WHO'S THE BEST ACTOR EVER,TYPE QUESTION-- YOU (I) COULD NEVER ANSWER THAT-- THE BEST ANSWER WOULD BE DIFFERENT PLAYERS AT DIFFERENT POSITIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES!! OR MAYBE YOU COULD ASK WHO'S THE TOP 50 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME:)

Posted by nicksjuzunk on March 3, 2008 at 6:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great question to stir some juices. King was before my time but was he really THAT much better than Houston?

Posted by pdhuff on March 3, 2008 at 7 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nicksjuz - 6:28 a.m.-Yes.

Posted by VenomousVol on March 3, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Better than Houston? LMAO,before Bernard had his knee problems he was arguably better than anyone on the planet. Larry Bird once said he was the best he had ever seen.

Posted by leedsvol2007 on March 3, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

King was the best due to his all around game, shooting, inside play, defense and rebounding.

Grunfeld, Houston, and Dale Ellis were all right there with him, but King was just special.

Bill Justice was just before my time but I think that Jimmy England and Mike Edwards deserve to be on that list as well. Also not listed is Reggie Johnson who was a great player for us.

England and Edwards were both great shooting guards. Edwards played before the 3 point era which is a shame because he would have been there with Lofton.

Reggie Johnson lead us to the SEC tournament championship and was a terrific player.

Just a few additional names that should be considered for future honors.

Posted by TommyJack on March 3, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not to overlook my hero, Tom Boerwinkle. 7', 300 lbs., vertical leap of 4". But the man could sure clog up the middle. Lasted 10 yrs in NBA.
Stu Aberdeen once used broom on him to encourage him to jump. His reply? I AM jumping. A great old Vol.

Posted by BloneyBoy on March 3, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about "the man with the golden arm" A.W.Davis. A.W. was silky smooth around the basket. He was a little thin but he was a producer of points. One of my favorites was "Bruising" Howard Bayne. Total intimidation under the boards. Who can forget Micheal Brooks who used to drain long jumpers of 22' to 28' regularly.

Posted by budrhon on March 3, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ernie over Ellis...hmmm not sure 'bout that one.

Posted by pdhuff on March 5, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, Was BOErwinkle from BOErne? Last I heard he was being used as a rest stop for migrating birds. Arms must be tired. LOL

I didn't see Roger the unicycle rider's name on the poll!

Posted by bernardking on March 5, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ray Mears slowed it down BEFORE King and Grunfeld. When King and Grunfeld were there, they ran up and down the floor. 85.7 pts/game isn't slowing it down nafslov....without the 3pt shot.

Stupid poll..not surprising coming from KNS.

No one is even close to King. He is arguably the best player ever in the SEC.

Posted by noexcuses on March 5, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Must also consider, Billy Justus, A.W. Davis, and Ron Widby, who was the best overall athlete to ever come out of UT, period. I hope these three get their numbers retired at some point and time

Posted by rbhobbs73 on March 5, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov,

I hate to break this to you, but Ernie and Bernie were 1974-1978 and Charles Barkley played at Auburn from 1980-1984. Couldn't have played each other....

Posted by bigorangedude on March 5, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What, Dan Fedderman didnt make the list! *LOL* My votes for Bernard King!

Posted by Homermoosevols on March 5, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A better poll would be who is the worst UT basketball player in history. My vote. Hathaway.

Posted by PennVol on March 5, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bernard King was at a different level from the others. He was unstoppable with his quick jumper and soft touch. Ray Mears said he asked if he could work by himself during practice before the coaches weren't pushing him hard enough. Don't forget he averaged around 12-13 rebounds per game and he was only 6'7".

Posted by splinterdand on March 5, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bernard was not only a great scorer, but was the most prolific rebounder in UT history. The man pulled dowen double figures in rebounds every night. He was the hardest working player I ever say. I agree with Larry Bird, the best I ever saw. Unfortunately with no final fours on his resume, many others don't see it that way.

Posted by hodocka on March 5, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hathaway not even close on the bottom end. Does anyone remember Shun Shefield and Alonzo Johnson. When Wade Houston signed these two, I remember thinking they probably can really play. NOT!

Posted by jhayes1911 on March 5, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm going to agree with hodocka on that one...if Hathaway didn't have that bloodclot he would have been serious on the court! I played against him in high school and he was the truth! 6'10" shooting three's and everything. He should have went Pro straight out of high school. Hathaway vs. John Henderson then were some serious battles! Now the absolute worst player in UT history has to be Andy Ikeakor, from the Buzz era! He wasn't even supposed to have a scholarship here and then transferred to University of Houston...he was so bad, one of the players off the womens team named him "Big Bubbs"...awful!

Posted by BADGES0413 on March 5, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Nabslob, get your facts straight Big Fat Chuck Barkley did not play against Mears teams. How about a poll for worst blogger of all time.

1. Nafslov
2. " "
3. " "

Posted by VolBall on March 5, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe the poll excludes the likes of: Doug Roth, Dan Federman, Hamer, Wiseman, Tyrone "Turnover" Beaman, Clarence Swarengen (sp?), Greg Bell....ahh the good times.

In all seriousness, can you imagine Michael Brooks behind a 3 pt line? He would have been an all time great.

Posted by VolBall on March 5, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe the poll excludes the likes of: Doug Roth, Dan Federman, Hamer, Wiseman, Tyrone "Turnover" Beaman, Clarence Swarengen (sp?), Greg Bell....ahh the good times.

In all seriousness, can you imagine Michael Brooks behind a 3 pt line? He would have been an all time great.

Posted by kingb007 on March 5, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not even close Bernard King.

Posted by theoldbear on March 5, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BK was great, but so was Ron Widby. Gene Tormolen, the late Carl Widseth, Hank Bertlekamp were the greatest of the pre-Mears era.

I'm old enough that the first UT game I saw was played in Alumni Gym, and Doug Atkins started for the Vols!

If Ray Mears slowed it down, he won that way. Billy Gillespie's team played a "Ray Mears" game Sunday, and darn near beat the Vols. With a shot clock and a three-point line, Mears might have won a national title with the Widby-captained team!

Posted by FWBVol on March 5, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So many great ones...King was the best scorer and rebounder, but he couldn't handle the ball as well as Ernie and probably wasn't the defensive player Grunfeld was, that's why I voted for Ernie.

If you base it on NBA careers then you have to give it to King, Houston or Ellis, but this is in UT history. Without the 3-point basket Houston doesn't score as many points as Ernie. Even if you inclued the 3-pointer and look at points per game, Grunfeld still averaged more than Houston. If King or Grunfeld played in the same number of games as Houston the scoring isn't even close.

With all due respect to Chris Lofton, he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Ernie or Bernie.

Posted by andefromtn on March 5, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't forget Ron Widby. In 1966 he was an All-American in both Football and Basketball. He is only of the last true athlete to win that honor in those sports. Today you don't see many two sport athletes at all and if you do it is normally track with football.

Thing about Bernard King is he should have been dismissed more than once from UT for off court behavior or have you older folks forgotten stolen TVs and other misadventures? I think it's a shame that his number is retired. He shouldn't have been allowed to wear for as long as he did. Yes, he could play basketball but his behavior as a person was not good during his stay in Knoxville.

Posted by volfanincarolina on March 5, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My vote is Bernard King. He was just a super basket ball player. The Ernie and Bernie show, wow that was great.

Posted by TommyJack on March 5, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OldBear: Good points. Mears played with what he was dealt. When he got Bernie & Ernie, his game tempo picked up. Blame (or credit) Ray and Dean Smith for the shot clock.
Never saw a game in Old Gym. Bet Doug Atkins could set a mean pick.

Posted by txvolsfan on March 5, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about the glistening locks of
Dyron Nix??????????????????
GO VOLS
TXVOLSFAN

Posted by ncvol17 on March 5, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WE used to wait all night to get basketball tickets and see Ernie & Bernie. Burned stackes of the Daily Radical (Beacon) to keep warm while in line.

E&B were worth it. Who else was on that team, wasn't Mike Jackson one? Too many years ago to remember the 5.

Posted by jimbo37918 on March 5, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Bernard King was the best player we ever had and I think Jimmy England should be on the list and I don't know what NAFSLOV has been smoking but Mears is the best coach we ever had hey NAFSLOV just ask Bruce Pearl man you are a JOKE

Posted by budrhon on March 5, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did someone say worst Vols ever? - Dan Federmann and John Snodgrass get my vote. Why Devoe EVER recruited Snodgrass make me wonder. I remember the KNS with a write up calling him a diamond in the rough. He was just never a Division 1 Bballer. I'd also throw Willie Burton in for good measure.

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 6, 2008 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone who voted for anyone other than Bernard King is either young or has a basketball IQ of 2.
Other than Pistol Pete, Bernard King was the greatest player to ever play in the SEC. His stats were better than Shaq's at LSU! You kidding me? Larry Bird said he was the greatest offensive player in the NBA. The guy was the SEC scoring leader 2 out of the 3 years he played and was 2nd the one he wasn't. He averaged like 26 points per game and 13 rebounds. He scored 42 points and 18 rebounds in his first game out of highschool for the Vols. There were a lot of great players (Grunfeld is my second favorite), but there is only one King!

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 6, 2008 at 12:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov - You witnessed something none of the rest of us witnessed then. Sir Charles didn't play against King & Grunfeld. He entered the NBA in 1984. King play from 1975-1977 if my memory is correct.

In Barkley's three-year college career, he averaged 14.1 points, 9.6 rebounds.
In King's three year career, he averaged 26 points and 13 rebounds. Not even close!
Bernard King's career point total of 19,665 ranks him 31st in total scoring in NBA history, as of September 2006. Of the 30 players with more career points, only George Gervin, Bob Pettit and Elgin Baylor played fewer games than King.

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 6, 2008 at 12:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Johnny Darden
Chuck Threats (sp?)
Mike Jackson - extremely under-rated player
Ernie Grunfeld
Bernard King

Reggie Johnson also came on the scene as a Freshmen in King's last year if I am not mistaken.
I did not look up any of above other than Barkely's stats and King's NBA stats so my memory may be off a little. It has been a long time ago.

Posted by johngalt on March 6, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I may have missed it, but I haven't heard Carl Widseth mentioned. Maybe not the Greatest, but, what a player!

Posted by splinterdand on March 6, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mike Jackson was a tremendous offensive player. I'll never forget the game against LSU wher King, Grunfeld, and Jackson all scored over 30 points. It was really the Ernie, Bernie, and Mikie Show.

Posted by jdcdjc on March 6, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you surely didn't see Billy Justus play.
Appears most the voters here do not go back past 20-30 years. Billy Justus could have played point for any team.

Posted by mtnbikrtn on March 6, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bernard King. The only former Vol to co-star in a movie. 1979's "FASTBREAK" starring Gabe Kaplan. Not to be confused with "THE FISH THAT SAVED PITTSBURGH" that also came out in 1979.

Posted by mtnbikrtn on March 6, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another bit of pop trivia to show you how popular Bernard King was. He was mentioned in the original version of "BASKETBALL" by Kurtis Blow.

Chorus:
They're playing Basketball
We love that Basketball
They're playing Basketball
We love that Basketball

I used to go to dinner, and then take the girl,
To see Tiny play against Earl The Pearl,
And Wilt, Big O, and Jerry West,
To play Basketball at it's very best,
Basketball has always been my thing,
I like Magic, Bird, and Bernard King,
And number 33, my man Kareem,
Is the center on my starting team,

This is the original version that came out in 1984.

Posted by vols76 on March 6, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

was there even a question about this one.......I don't think so.........

Posted by volfaninVA on March 6, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bernard King will be first in this poll and deservedly so. But my personal favorite will always be Dale Ellis. Before he became one of the NBA's leading 3-point specialists, he anchored those great Don DeVoe teams of the early 80's. His defensive effort against Ralph Sampson in the NCAA Tournament (I believe it was 1982) was one of the greatest performances I ever saw. Too bad Othell Wilson picked up the slack for the Cavs that day and beat the Vols.

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 6, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jdc: I saw Billy Justice and Jimmy England too. Also, Mike Edwards was a great shooter before the 3 point shot. The Greenfield Gunner.

splinterdand: Mike Jackson would have been a Vol legend had it not been for being overshaddowed by King & Grunfeld. The guy was that good! He carried the team single handidly when King & Grunfeld fouled out. He had this jump shot where he kind of floated sideways before it was released.
I really think JaJuan Smith is another player that did not get the recognition he deserves. The guy is incredibly talented and I think he will do more in the NBA than anyone on the current roster other than possibly Tyler Smith.

VolfaninVA: Dale Ellis was a great player too, but his game was far different in the NBA than it was in college. As I recall, Devoe experimented with Ellis outside but he had not developed his shot yet. He was incredible from the 3 once he got it going in the NBA. And I agree that Ellis played a great game against Ralph Sampson & VA.

Posted by IPOrange on March 6, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wanted to vote for Dupree, but he's not on the list.

Posted by et_vol_fan on March 6, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Travis Henry was the worst basketball player of all time. No way that DeVoe should played him over Greg Bell...Oh, by the way...Bernard King hands down was the best player. I would of loved to see what Allen Houston could of done with a surrounding cast and better coaching.

Posted by Plasticman on March 6, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about all of the above on the same team. Man, that would be one heck of a team. Bernard King is and always will be the BEST player ever to wear the Orange. I have never seen a player that can do the things he could do. He had the quickest release of any player I have seen. If he had played 4 years, he would have shattered the scoring record at UT with over 2600 points. "KING, of the VOlunteers" as John Ward use to say.

Posted by murrayvol on March 6, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Walking in front of the Letterman's Club before the UK game when we saw a jet black BMW 750 with a note tucked under the wiper blade. "This car belongs to Bernard King."

When Larry Bird says you're the best, it means something.

Posted by jasvol on March 6, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The best vol of all time has not graduated yet.

Posted by cltvol on March 7, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KING!! 20-10 average for career. LED SEC IN SCORING AND REBOUNDING AS FROSH. Top 5 best freshman in NCAA since freshman became eligible in early 70's. 42 pts in freshman debut. Unstoppable one on one. Unstoppable with the ball in his spot with back to basket, zone-double team, whatever. Nobody had quicker feet in post ever. Unbelievable footwork efficiency. Rose to pressure situations. Best hands in post. Quickest release ever. Best dresser. Wore merlot leisure suit with white chuck taylor high tops at War concert(Why Can't We Be Friends, Low Rider). 30 yrs ahead of his time with white sneaks as upscale/clubben' footwear.

Posted by wewhite on March 7, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gotta go with Bernie on this one... though I think that maybe in a few years this poll will probably shift to Chris Lofton. King was a great athlete and shooter, but I think Lofton has such a well-rounded skill set that the lucky NBA team that gets him is going to LOVE him just as much as us Vol fans have.

Posted by jcvet on March 7, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bernard King. Maybe the best player in the hx of the SEC. Grunfeld a distant second. Houston scored a lot but was not a leader and they lost....alot. Watching King and Grunfeld play was like magic. No one could match up with them. How many would Grunfeld have scored if the 3 pt. shot was allowed back then?

Posted by brownsvillevol on March 7, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

homer you're crazy hathaway was a beast shame he had blood clot and when he was on the floor they didn't go to him enough.not taking away anything from tony harris because he was good but jacked up alot of ugly 3's

Posted by brownsvillevol on March 7, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

we had alot of great players at different times thats why i don't understand why people say we were doormats of sec never have been imo.we've always had good and even great players but worse we've had some bad coaches.

Posted by NCC1701 on March 7, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another funny piece of trivia about Bernard King: He starred in a Miami Vice episode from the first season of the show. AWESOME PERFORMANCE! RIVETING! Don't laugh, my step-son has the DVD of the series.

I guess he's the best, that's what they say. But my favorite is LOFTON all the way. What a shooter!

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 7, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jasvol - if you think Lofton is better than King, you've got to be a youngster. I don't think any serious basketball fan could say Lofton is better than Bernard King. Please don't show your youth or basketball ignorance. I'm not sure Lofton would rank in my top 5 best UT players. Let's see.....1) King

DISTANT 2..........

2) Grunfeld, Ellis, Houston, Woods, Lofton hm?

nicksjuzunk - King is second only to Pistol Pete in the SEC in my opinion. He was that good.

Posted by TommyJack on March 7, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agree with the General. Lofton deserves to be included in all-time TN greats. Objectively, no one was better than King.

Posted by Chainsaw on March 7, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VolfaninVA wrote:

"Bernard King will be first in this poll and deservedly so. But my personal favorite will always be Dale Ellis. Before he became one of the NBA's leading 3-point specialists, he anchored those great Don DeVoe teams of the early 80's. His defensive effort against Ralph Sampson in the NCAA Tournament (I believe it was 1982) was one of the greatest performances I ever saw."

Are you sure it was Ellis playing D on Sampson in that game? My memory has Woods dominating Sampson and limiting him to an insignificant number of points that day.

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 7, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For you youngsters:

http://nydnhalloffame.com/bernardking...

Posted by tloutn on March 7, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed, Bernard King the best basketball player ever at Tennessee.

But, who's the best wrestler? Gotta go with "Big Sexy" Kevin Nash on this one. He was such a great basketball player at Tennessee the Lay's Tip-off book his freshman, or sophomore year called him Kevin Nosh.

Posted by bob.bigorange on March 7, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

King was the best.............period.

I got to see all of these guys play at UT - and I would say Grunfeld is a close 2nd. Houston right after that - Ellis then. I love Chris Lofton, but he still has two tournaments to possibly take this team on his shoulders (if need be) and etch his name right up there. No question Lofton is also very special.

Posted by ishrk on March 7, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not the greatest, but one of my favorites for honorable mention was Howard Wood.

Posted by cmglassman on March 7, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ- you know better! The order is simple;

King-Grunfeld-Johnson-Ellis. You can not argue with one of the 2 greatest players all-time in the NBA (L.Bird) when he described BK as amazing and one of the best ever. BK mastered (for 3yrs) the SEC at one of it's strongest periods. He was unstoppable as a scorer and rebounder...What a joy to watch in person...What a joy to see him beat UK...

Posted by TommyJack on March 7, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't argue with you Glass, after all.....
Peace

Posted by jasvol on March 7, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General_Fritter: Hey, I didn't say Lofton was the best Vol. I just said he hadn't graduated yet meaning the best Vol will be coming from a future BP recruiting class. But yes, your correct on two fronts: I am a much better football fan than b-ball and I never have seen King play ball, I'll just take everyones word for it. Now, go Vols and sink that fritter on Sunday!

Posted by jasvol on March 7, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General_Fritter: nice read about King. LOL

Posted by BigVolinCarolina on March 7, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe the following were left off of the list:

1. Orlando Berry
2. Travis Henry (the point guard in the 80's with the wannabe mustache, not the football player)
3. Gannon Goodson

Posted by Couchdummy on March 7, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Howard Bayne and Ron Widby deserve consideration as Vol Heros, yet they did not reach the level of King, Grunfield, Houston, Ellis, etc. BUT, they were tough as nails!

Posted by dlight on March 7, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what about michael Brooks?

Posted by BillVol on March 8, 2008 at 1:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is Tony White on the list and Ron Widby isn't? Tony White isn't even in the top 20 of UT players of all time. And why is Lofton trailing Allan Houston, who led us to zero NCAA appearances and the shameful 60-point loss to Kentucky??? Hello!

Posted by mparker on March 8, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Quit picking on Hathaway. He was freshman of the year in the SEC. CJ Black followed him for that honor.

Bernie was incredible. An interesting question is how many points would an Ernie Grunfeld socre into today's game?? Ernie was a good outside shooter, and a big strong boy to boot.

I remember Reggie Johnston for his effotless dunks. Turn around and SLAM.

No one is mentioning Len Kosmalski. The Kos was pretty decent.

I always used think Wayne Tomlinson was pretty weak as a player. Used to cringe when he got the ball.

I think we need a special slot for 'shooters'; I'd go with Houston, Mike Edwards, Jimmy England, Chris Lofton,Bill Justus, Tony White. Second-tier(sometimes great): John Snow, JaJuan Smith, Mike Jackson, Tony Harris.

Sorry, I just have no memories prior to Justus, and barely remember him.

Posted by mparker on March 8, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A comment about the 'old days' of 60's and 70's ball.

Teams like Vandy, UT, Uk had lineups that featured long-range shooters, and, when they could find them, a 'to the basket' player similar to Tyler Smith. Jack Givens of UK comes to mind.

Quite often these teams would have big, ploddding '5' players, an enforcer '4', an athletic '3', a ture '2' and a true '1'. Vandy would change that mix at times be having basically 3 '2's on the court.

Okay, okay, just vague memories for listening to John Ward.

Posted by TommyJack on March 8, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Any of you codgers remember Danny Shultz?

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 8, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember him TJ. Had season tickets back then.
Very good player for the day.

Posted by General_Watermelon on March 8, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't even fathom why anyone would question why Houston is rated higher than Lofton or why Tony White is on the list. Come on BillVol - you can't be that stupid.

Posted by TommyJack on March 8, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: A different game then, but Shultz was a great pure shooter.

Posted by invisiblekid on March 8, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This statement lends so much credibility to your opinion Nafslov: "I remember when he had Ernie and Bernie and went to Auburn and Charles Barkley and crew put them away, pathetic !" If ever there was a case for someone being banned for being clueless, this is it.

Posted by TommyJack on March 8, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kid: Clueless won't work, otherwise he would have been excommunicated months ago...I suspect he has active acne. Selah

Posted by Plasticman on March 8, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tony WHite was a pure scorer. I was at the game when he put 51 on Auburn back at Stokely. He was instant offense, so yes he deserves to be on the list. Lofton is probably the most unselfish player on the list. He could average 25 pts./ game if he wasn't so unselfish. Let's realize that most of the players on this list took 15 -20 shots per game. SOme games, Lofton doesn't even get 10 shots. He is what a team player is all about. One of the greatest UT players ever in my mind.

Posted by invisiblekid on March 8, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was a little young to remember King in his prime but always paid attention when Larry Bird said he was the best he'd seen. From what I remember, if it weren't for the knee injuries King would have been MJ before there was MJ. I'd put Houston at #2 because he was the focal point for the opposing team and still managed to get his numbers every game. He catches too much grief for the fact that his dad couldn't coach a bit.

BTW, VolBall stole my thunder by mentioning Doug Roth. No discussion of greatest UT players is complete without him.

Posted by invisiblekid on March 8, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, you got to give him credit for sticking with his mission statement though, I guess that counts for something.