Posted by burntorangeVOLffle on March 25, 2008 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Fulmer's known to challenge players publicly...."

Really? By the way some people talk around here you would think all he does is pat them on the head, tell them to finish their charts and say "We're working like heck to get better." I guess people just see what they want to see.

Anyway, the Tennessean is also reporting that Kenny O'Neal will miss most of spring practice due to academics (waste od scholarship?) and Ricardo Kemp is leaving the program. I thought the latter was odd because it seemed like he was pushing for playing time. He had a real good game against UK last year.

Posted by khelton657 on March 25, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad to see he is calling out the specific individuals rather than sounding like a Pop Warner coach..glad to see some things may be different....we're gonna need it.

Posted by hcjournals on March 26, 2008 at 12:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's keep it positive. Be hard on yourself, not our program. Coach Fulmer wouldn't mention any names publicly he didn't see as having a great deal of potential. Everybody he mentioned will have to grow up a little bit get in better shape and get after it......

Posted by brdteton on March 26, 2008 at 1:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go Vols.

I'll hang up an listen to Ya....

Posted by 02champs on March 26, 2008 at 2:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hey, texas-boy..aka burntorange...there's a new sheriff in town...go back home.

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on March 26, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There seems to be a sense of urgency in Fulmer's approach...good!!!

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

157 days till Football Time In Tenneessee!!!!

Posted by Bigger_Al on March 26, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can see Adams over there on the sideline looking at his watch, complaining on his cellphone to Finebaum that Fulmer has the nerve to make him wait...

Posted by raleighncvolfan on March 26, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like Phil is serious about the upcoming season. Extra claps and pats on the behind for everyone.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Say what you want about "the article" a while back, but looks like Adams was successful in cleaning up the off field mess.
I don't think there has been one incident since that article came out. Compare that to the 2 months prior.

Posted by GerryOP on March 26, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Win baby, just win!

Posted by peerlessvolfan on March 26, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, I just read in our Detroit papers that a U-M offensive line starter, Justin Boren, has left the team. He's a 6'3", 310 center and left guard--do we need him and if so, can UT recruit him possibly? Just wondering.....

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on March 26, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Were less than 3 weeks away from Fulmer being the 2nd highest paid coach in Knoxville.

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus, You have to be kidding. You don't think anyone was upset about the off the field problems until that moron wrote his ill-founded article?

The credit goes to the Athletic Administration, coaches, and players. Adams' ego is obviously healthy enough as it is... no need to feed it further.

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

burntorange, Where did the info on Kemp come from? That would be very disappointing.

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FWIW, if Fulmer had done anything different, I'd have thought that an alien had taken possession of his body. I'm not saying it isn't sincere. I'm sure he's really trying to kick start some guys. He challenges some group or individual like this every spring. They probably deserve it... but he almost always looks for holes in the spring and throws down the gauntlet to guys who could fill them.

He'll do basically the same thing for the first two weeks of Fall Practice.

The comments to Victor Thomas were the only ones that seemed to go beyond that. He basically implied the guy was riding his scholarship and needed to flip or fly. Pretty good stuff. I wonder if that means they're more pleased with Chase Nelson?

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on March 26, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yawn...Kemp lived with Coker. Also, O'Neal is going to tear it up in the 7 on 7 drills this summer. I promise. Hey, new offense gets installed this spring and he's not even there to learn it. Cut your losses, kick him off the team and give the scholarship to a deserving senior walk-on. O'Neal has been suspended multiple times.

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did they kick VolCR out again?

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thought the "soft" players were gone ! ( Ryan Karl and Eric Ainge ) Oh ! Just remembered, Rogers is STILL out there attempting to play wide-out! Go Vols !

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on March 26, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

who?

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on March 26, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18,
aka Foolmore?

nafslov,
Your chain jerking ain't working

Posted by givim6 on March 26, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Without the name calling, I am one Vol fan who has been very unhappy with Fulmer the past few years.

This season, I believe he is making the effort to improve performance on the field and clean up the negative antics off the field.

I, for one, am going to give him a chance to prove himself this year. The results will speak for themselves.

I will withhold negative comments until after the season. (If negative comments are warrented)

There has been plenty of legitimate complaints about Fulmer. I really admire some of the perspectives that a lot of you gents have put forth. It actually proves that intelligence is alive and well in Vol land.

There are some out there who want to negative, just to be negative.

They look at life thru $h1t covered lens. We have to accept that there are always those types out there and disregard their crap.

I truly believe we are going to be exceptional this year, in part, because of our talent and Fulmers new staff.

GO VOLS!!!!

Posted by KyScGaFlAlAkMiTnLa on March 26, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus, if you think Adams had anything to do with that you are the stupidest person to ever post in the history of posters on the internet.

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

VolinDawgland = Too smart for these boards ! Go Vols !

Posted by JohnAdamsIsTrash on March 26, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can assure you that John Adams had nothing to do with cleaning anything up (see his sports section butcher the english language on a daily basis).

The credit needs to go to the coaches and senior leaders like Josh Briscoe who stood up and said that they were not going to take this crap anymore.

Go Vols!!!!!!!!!!!

John Adams, Please drive your car into a lake!

Posted by nastyman on March 26, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fulmer is so funny when he tries to be the stereotypical tough football coach.

He's like "Block your butt..." and "Damn, blah blah..." I really don't think he knows much about anything, but hell we won the east last year so it's hard to complain. (Yet so many of you do: stop being douches)

Anyways, it has never been about Fulmer. He's just the softie who convinces athletes that things are going to be easy at TN. Then Chavis and company do the actual coaching.

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov, I am sure that "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright would appreciate your perspective on white players on sports teams.

Posted by FlushTheJohn on March 26, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To borrow a line from Jim Rome's clone's

Make the world a better place, punch John Adams in the face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody hit Pennington while your at it!

Flush The Johns!!!

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnAdamsMustGo, I asked John to throw himself off of a tall building and that didn't work. Good luck trying to get him to drive his car into a lake.

Posted by BOASoldier on March 26, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A little information that GVX didn't mention. and the source of the Kemp story for SJT18.

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...

Going and coming: Defensive back Ricardo Kemp has decided to leave the program. The sophomore had two sacks and an interception last season. Meanwhile, receiver and special teamer Ja’Kouri Williams has returned to the program after informing Fulmer he was leaving following last season.

“(Williams) is a great story,” Fulmer said. “He’s real close to graduating and decided to play again.

Young and tough: Running back Tauren Poole continued to earn high marks from his coaches. The true freshman from Toccoa, Ga., has gained the respect of UT’s new running backs Coach Stan Drayton, as well as Fulmer.

“There are some guys, like Tauren Poole, who don’t back away from anything,” Fulmer said. “That comes out with the background they came from and the program they came from and their innate toughness.”

Posted by bigorangedude on March 26, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This really isn't news. I think coach Fulmer is always hard on soft players, however with the departure of Coach Cut, I think Fulmer will be tougher on the players (and coaches) this year. Hopefully it will pay dividends in January.

Posted by burntorangeVOLffle on March 26, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Regarding off-the-field conduct: I know a girl who is friends with Ben Martin and she said they (the players) are terrified of screwing up right now. They make sure they are in their dorms by curfew and are not goofing off at parties and such. The way she described the curfew thing was as if they take off like Cinderella 10 minutes to midnight.

Somehow I don't think John Adams put that kind of fear in them.

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 When I speak of slow,"soft" overrated players ( race has nothing to do with it !)it's true. I just wish it weren't Ainge, Karl and sadly...another wasted jersey... Rogers. If I wanted to see these "lack of skills" , I would go watch a Div IIIA game ! Go Vols !

Posted by DenmarkVol_aka_Mbumburu on March 26, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nafslov, if that comment was about Austin Rogers, it is stupid and ignorant. He may very well be the toughest receiver we have. Fearless across the middle. Takes hits and keeps on coming.

Watch the games last year, you fool. Austin Rogers helped us win several -- by catching in the flat where the monsters lurk and hanging onto the ball. He was Mr. Go-To all season.

As my grandmother said: "What you don't know, don't talk it."

Posted by VOLstuckINky on March 26, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

stay the course .....

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Austin Rogers needs to play at some Div IIIa school where his "talents" might be recognized , instead of wasting a jersey on the mighty Vols field ! Go Vols !

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov, oddly from what you claim... the only players you seem to criticize for being slow, soft, and wastes of jerseys are white kids... and even white kids that have performed well.

If you had been invited to an NFL combine or tryout camp... I presume you wouldn't be here criticizing a couple of guys who have. If you'd been playing in the NFL, you wouldn't have been around here to criticize Bartholomew who was drafted by Denver but had his career ended by injury.

The comment about Rogers really just crystalizes that your comments are indeed race based.

For one, Rogers is the toughest WR on the team. He blocks well and is the one guy who will go fearlessly across the middle. He has also run a 4.4-4.5 40... he isn't slow. At 6'2"/195, he isn't small...

Since he caught 56 balls last year for over 600 yards... you can't complain about his productivity either. That is the third best season reception total in the past 4 years and the 4th best yardage total. He caught more balls than Swain or Smith ever did in a season. He had more catches than Meachem in 3 of his seasons and more yardage than Meachem in 2 of his season.

Were Swain, Smith, and Meachem wasted jerseys too?

Posted by sjt18 on March 26, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, last year was also Rogers first year of playing full time. He outperformed Meachem in all but his last year. He outperformed Swain and Smith all of their years to include their Sr seasons.

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 ...I'll put it this way ,"Let's have this discussion after the 1st four games this year and see how many "long" balls Rogers catches , Okay ?" As for Bartholomew , he was a TRUE wasted jersey ! And how many, NFL games did he play ? I only critcize those needed , white or black! I was EXTREMELY critical of some former( black) players who thought they were bigger than the team ! Go Vols !

Posted by General_Fritter on March 26, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 - the stats are a little misleading given Meachem had better and more receivers to spread the ball around and often garnered teams best DB and even double teams. I can tell you I'd much rather have Meachem than Rogers who had a tough time at times of catching a cold. I don't think too many SEC coaches would disagree with me on that either.

Posted by General_Fritter on March 26, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Also sjt18 - none of the receivers had a chance when Ainge and Clausen were playing in 2005. They were just bad. That will hold down the stats a bit.

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looking forward to see what Crompton will do ...at least we KNOW he is a real player ,unlike Ainge and Clausen ! Thank you ND ! Go Vols !

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looking forward to see what Crompton will do ...at least we KNOW he is a real player ,unlike Ainge and Clausen ! Thank you ND ! Go Vols !

Posted by auttat on March 26, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And what would you lead you to "KNOW" Crompton is a "real" player?

He lost both games that he played the majority of the minutes in 2006. And, he enjoyed turning the ball over in the few minutes he got to play this past year.

Does he have the potential? Yes, most definitely. Do we KNOW he will perform? Of course not.

Posted by GerryOP on March 26, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since we have a new QB and a new OC, not sure how anyone can KNOW much of anything about how our '08 offense will perform. However, I have high hopes ... and ... high expectations!

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov, were you a better QB than Clausen and Ainge?

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on March 26, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who else is looking forward to going 10-4 at best and getting an email from Hamilton that tells you how good you should feel about it?

Posted by mparker on March 26, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

any of you dudes notice Crompton is acting very QB-like?? Okay, most of us can talk the talk, and we try to walk the .... freaking dog! I HATE that saying.

Anyway, JC appears to be maturing and confidant. Get one thing straight: as pisspoor as Cut can be as an OC, he is regarded as one of the BEST QB coaches arouud. We don't know much about Clawson yet, but I get the feeling he is giving JC some respect, which often helps a young player's confidence.

Posted by TommyJack on March 26, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I've said before on here, Cut obviously had no respect for JC. Instead, he stayed with the injured, weak-armed, EA to run his chuck & duck offense. I'm excited about JC.

Posted by givehim6 on March 26, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like phi finely got fulled up with all the talk about him, and his coaching from the past few years. Keep'em tough big guy, you my get that 2nd Nat. champ. yet. GO VOLS!

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on March 26, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Given our schedule next year, I'll take 10-4 which means we played in the SEC CG again. I'd prefer 11-3 which would assume that we actually won the SEC CG.

Posted by KingsportVol on March 26, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agree with TJ and lmfao at chuck & duck offense.

Posted by thesavageorange on March 26, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack ,Do you have an imposter running aroung calling himself TOMMYJACK?Didn't think it was you.Doesn't have your swagger.

Posted by TommyJack on March 26, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Savage: Yeah, there's an imposter out there. All caps tj is a poser. So far I have refrained from unleashing my superior intellect and rapier like wit on him. :)

Posted by bigbluevol on March 26, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's no such thing as Division IIIA. It's just Division III.

Posted by marc_ash on March 26, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you have weak links on a team, the team suffers. I have no issue with calling out someone who isn't cutting the grade.

Work ethic has a lot to do with the success of a player and a team. Hard work and dedication can make up for a lack of talent in many cases.

Posted by GreerVol22 on March 26, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen , TomJack. First three words of the article, nice play Hooker.

Posted by GreerVol22 on March 26, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

or first 4 if your an Adams fan.

Posted by 55Vol on March 26, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KeepBrucePearl...... don't know dude, but maybe we should ask Foolmore,uh, VolCR, uh,CRVol, uh PearlOwnsFulmer....wait...we just did!!!

Posted by jimr07 on March 26, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volalumnus--what makes you think adams article had anything to do with more exemplary behavior? could it be that fulmer and the coaching staff had anything to do with it. why would you give adams credit for anything?

Posted by Silent_Fulmer on March 26, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VOLinDAWGland - I said 10-4 at best, we will go somewhere between that and 6-6 in the regular season.

I'm guessing the average of both of those will be the most likely outcome. Hey, 8-5 here we come!

Hamilton better be crafting away at that email, I can't wait to get in January following a Peach Bowl win or loss.

Posted by KingsportVol on March 26, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

On point as always Greer.Good Stuff.

Posted by invisiblekid on March 26, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If Adams gets any credit for defusing the discipline issue, then I deserve credit for Briscoe's turnaround from being a "soft" player to a tough one. After all, before last season I commented on here that Briscoe needed to be tougher. Truth be told, neither one had a thing to do with the other. The Vol program was on the verge of becoming the poster children for Football Players Gone Wild. Fulmer, along with what I would imagine was a serious nudge from Hamilton, has gotten them back in line. Simple as that.

I have to ask about another issue though, what the he!@ was Diamond Dave and company thinking with that title?

Posted by General_Fritter on March 26, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We have turned the corners boys. Have you heard of any other players getting in trouble? Fulmer has righted this ship. Naysayers go back to sleep.
The next stop, National Championship Land.

Posted by General_Fritter on March 26, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

invisiblekid - yes you did post on here about Briscoe being soft last year. Oops. I mean I've only been posting on here since March 2008.

Eat more Fritters!

Posted by General_Fritter on March 26, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That a boy Kingsport. Where you been hiding?

Posted by thesavageorange on March 26, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by invisiblekid on March 26, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.

I have to ask about another issue though, what the he!@ was Diamond Dave and company thinking with that title?

His last name should have tipped you off.

Posted by KingsportVol on March 26, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello General been a little busy at work.You and Greer and the fritter posse keep up the good work.Go Big Orange!Beat the Red Birds!

Posted by dburgVol on March 26, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah that's great, print EVERYTHING the coach says about his players. If the kids have a LOT of character, they will get pi**ed off and start knockin heads, if they don't, they will just get pi**ed off. I'm glad the local paper didnt print everything my football coach said about us linemen in hs.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To those that react like little girls who are told their hair is a mess.

Very simple
1)for several months there was at least one incident per week involving arrest or the sort.
2)Adams writes article
3)No more incidents

Figure it out yourselves.

If it was because TN administration it would have been done sooner.
Obviously they got with the players and finally laid the ground rules and they did so in response to "the article"

Facts are facts.

Some of you need to quit thinking your IQ is printed on the side of a bottle.

Posted by LargeOrange on March 26, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In contrast, here is what Mr. Adams' counterpart in the Greenville, SC paper had to say about Steve Superior's rampant off the field problems.
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs...
Is it just me or did this Sports Editor seem to blame not SS as much as the kids who chose to break the law?
"This would be an excellent time for Spurrier's players to grow up and start acting more like adults and less like spoiled brats who think the world owes them something; they need to turn the page on the image of coddled athletes who don't feel bound by society's rules." I am guessing that, since this Sports Editor didn't call for SS's job and tour the South East putting the blame on Coach Steve, that SC will continue to have these off the field problems, until this Editor does so. This is yet another reason why we are so lucky to have Mr. John Adams as the leader of our beloved sports section. Were you aware that he has won several state writing awards in addition to solving discipline issues at major college football programs? How long will it be before other college town newspapers come calling and start throwing big money at Mr. John Adams to come and solve their off the field problems for them? KNS you need to spend what ever it takes to keep Mr. Adams right here at Tennessee.

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volalumnus, how is it ok for you to come on here and chastise people for commenting on what they thought was wrong but it's okay for you to "react like a little girl who's told her hair is a mess" about the officiating in the basketball games?

Posted by invisiblekid on March 26, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's OK General, you were a legend here long before you graced us with your presence.

SavageO, you're right, I guess I shouldn't expect high moral fiber from a newspaper that employs a Hooker.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Asheley
Actually if you weren't doing it now, you could get your point straight.
I came on here to point out what was right, not wrong and some can't keep from over reacting to a fact being pointed out that since and ever since that "article" came out, there have been no further incidents.
Don't shoot the messenger, especially when it bears good news.
Adams and his derived response from TN Administration have done far more good for Fulmer than most of his "supporters" will do for him in their lifetime.

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Contradiction is a word that you need to look up at dictionary.com, volalanus.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will give you more credit than the link to:

--Contradiction In Stock Shop at FragranceNet!
However, Yes I am crontradicting the pretense of those who indicate otherwise that the incidents stopped immediately following the article.

You can analyze why that is any way you want and will be more or less right depending upon your view but that is the nice thing about facts, they don't depend upon perspective

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ashley .....matter of fact it wouldn't take much to be a better player than the Clausen boys ( thank you Notre Dame ) or a "Momma's Boy" ( the players's nickname for Ainge ) or have more "guts" than Karl ( who ran away from the play ) or Rogers who never caught a "deep ball" ( and has the team nickname of "Noflu" .....cause he couldn't catch a cold ) ! Go Vols !

Posted by ThurmondEppy on March 26, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nafslov- You are not a fan. Period.

Posted by nafslov on March 26, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ThurmondEppy - Wrong! I'm a BIG fan of Coach Fulmer and the mighty Vols but....I speak the truth concerning individual players or "non-players" ! Period. Go Vols !

Posted by philfan on March 26, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I suspect that the players respect (fear, admire?) Fulmer more than most people think. First, he is a really big man, and I can't see any player talking back too much or too often to him. Also, I have seen him give players some pretty mean, spooky stares when they were displeased when he had to remove them from games (for instance, when they had drawn too many personal fouls). It was pretty unnerving seeing this big guy with fire in his eyes. I would not want to get on his bad side.

Posted by LargeOrange on March 26, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus- I understand your point and it is technically factual, but I have a question. If John Adams gets credit for these results, will you blame John Adams for the next time one of these kids screws up and breaks the rules? To do otherwise would seem to be a "Contradiction".

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus, I wasn’t talking to you. If you would have taken a time-out from the issue you have with CPF, you would clearly saw that I was talking to volalanus. Do you go by that screen name as well?

Posted by IPOrange on March 26, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

High moral fiber - that's rich!

BTW, what's up with Coach Caldwell moving one of our defensive tackles (Mathis) to another position? Aren't we hurting enough on the d-line already?

Volalumnus, your argument is so singular it's not even funny. You totally ignore any and all other factors simply because Adams printed an article in the right place on the timeline? You must be kidding me.....

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by LargeOrange
True if I was solely giving him credit for the results directly> I am giving him credit for being the conduit to cause appropriate corrective actions to be taken.
If more trouble starts my guess is that it will be dealt with differently, if not, Adams will need to be criticle again, or he too will not be doing his job.
If down the road, trouble is very limited overall, and the program is regularly successful without the on or off field embarrassments, then Fulmer should get credit for righting the ship.
However, the Actions by Adams seems to have created the most positive results and the fact is that things have been better since.

Ashley - who said I have a problem with Fulmer, he is a great guy from all that I know of him.
I do have a problem with the results of his team on and off the field and do not think he had done an appropriate job dealing with either.

Posted by LargeOrange on March 26, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus, I hear ya, if things go awry again, at least we have John Adams who can come back and "be criticle again" as you say. That is reassuring, we are indeed fortunate to have Mr. John Adams as the leader of our beloved sports section. In case you haven't heard, he has won several state writing awards.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IPOrange
Great it wasn't suppossed to be funny.

In regards to other factors that is known tell us and I will consider them.

In the end Fulmer may or may not have done anything. The AD may or may not have done anything.
The UT Pres may or may not have done anything. It may or may not have been the players reacting themselves to the public scrutiny.

I DO know the article was written and the problems have stopped appearing. Thats factual.

If you have other things to consider that you know then let us know and I will consider them. Otherwise you will just have to be irritated.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange
Don't you get at least the slightest imppression that after that article that Fulmer was so mad that he let players on his team know probably in words that can't be typed here that he personally would do things to them if they got into further trouble and caused the University any more embarrasment?

Posted by LargeOrange on March 26, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus - No, I think you are right, the "article" was definitely a motivating factor, even though it was a bit over the top, and the radio tour was inexcusable. But what ever it was, or a combinations of things, I am just glad it has stopped, at least for now. I personally think one or more of the players (maybe Eric Berry and a couple of bigger guys) did an Al Wilson on some of these guys and got their heads right. JMO.

Posted by Ashley on March 26, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm just having a hard time hearing CPF say, "I will personally do things to you if you get into further trouble".

John Adams article was not written because of his love for the football program or UT. His article was written with intent to do harm to CPF.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't mean that as a literal quote but indicate him saying something specific you cant type here.

I have heard him say worse.
And no That doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange
I think you are right about the players.

I think the coaching changes and the player issues along with the article has got Fulmer fired up to be less tolerant of BS off and on the field.
Hopefully that works to his benefit this next year.

Posted by IPOrange on March 26, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volalumnus -

Let's see.... Coach(es) imposed penalties and suspensions on players who broke rules or laws. Police officers intervened/arrested players who caused trouble and broke laws. Other players intervened and had some choice words for other players who were causing problems for themselves and the team. Parents and other family members intervened and offered advise, counseling, and help to some of these players. And after all of these interventions, the problems stopped.

All of these things are "factual", volalumnus. Look back at the many articles posted here and elsewhere for proof of these acts. I read them. Thousands of other Vol fans read them. How did you miss all of these other "facts"? But you choose to ignore this insurmountable evidence and give credit to a single article for solving all of the university's problems.

Wow. According to your logic, all of these many coaches, players, police officers, family members, friends and relatives aren't needed. As long as some writer sits in his cubicle and publishes an occasional article, that will solve all of the world's ills. I don't buy that one for a minute.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IPOrange
You are correct and most of those are facts...most.
But you left out an important one.
The acts continued and continued and all those other things may have had an impact, but the penalty obviously wasn't severe enough until.....

"the article"
Then what?
Thats right. I know.

IPOrange really what is your goal?
If you hate Adams, I really don't care. I really didn't care for him that much prior to Fulmer even could be an issue.
But just because you (not meaning a specific you) don't like someone doesn't mean what they are saying shouldn't be considered.
Irrational discussion and insults and terming anyone anti-vol certainly doesn't create Fulmer supporters.
Like I have said before some of the "Fulmer supporters" are some of his biggest problems. Thats why I do believe Adams did him a favor directly and indirectly.

Posted by IPOrange on March 26, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus -

Go back and read my posts. Nowhere did I say that "I really don't care for him" (I don't, by the way, but you were presumptuous). Nowhere did I say that "what he said shouldn't be considered". Nowhere did I throw "insults" at anyone. Oh, and by the way, nowhere did I say that I was a "Fulmer supporter", either (I am for now, but if Florida and Bama beat the crap out of us again this year, I'll re-evaluate that allegiance).

And finally, nowhere did I say that JA's article was totally without influence. You ask, "what is your goal?" Simply to point out that the article alone did not solve the problem as you implied in your posts at 8:26 a.m. and again at 6:13 p.m. I recognize that a variety of factors likely influenced the players to consider their actions before acting, including the article as well as all of these other things I discussed. I just refused to let a couple of posts give full credit to JA - that's not accurate I think most of us know that.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IP
I think you are reading too fast and or I appologize if my vast and talented typing skills are not doing their jobs..but as proof.... I didn't say you said "I really don't care for him" .... I did.

Also you aren't reading carefully enough or are twisting to your benifit that I am claiming that the letter and only the letter is responsible..
Again I think that is deliberate because I don't think you want to give credit to something that really bothers you... the article.

I infer that without that letter, TN would still be having problems with player conduct off the field.
That article is responsible for changing the environment and attitude and therefore the cause in my oppinion of the halt to the problems.
What is fact is that the situation changed the day of that article.

Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me be clear. I didn't say you said "I really don't care for him" .... I said I (thats me) did not care for him.

Posted by IPOrange on March 27, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus -

Yeah, I am reading a little too fast at times. However, I disagree with two points you made on your last post. According to what I read, two of your previous posts DID insinuate that the article was solely responsible for the change. Read them again to see what I mean:
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Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Say what you want about "the article" a while back, but looks like Adams was successful in cleaning up the off field mess.
I don't think there has been one incident since that article came out.
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Posted by Volalumnus on March 26, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very simple
1)for several months there was at least one incident per week involving arrest or the sort.
2)Adams writes article
3)No more incidents
Figure it out yourselves.
If it was because TN administration it would have been done sooner.
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Neither time did you acknowledge other possible influencial factors.

Secondly, you said in your last post: "I don't think you want to give credit to something that really bothers you... the article." Actually, that's not true either. Go back and read the last two sentences from my previous post.

Perhaps we should agree to disagree on the amount of influence the article had. Either way, though, I'm just glad things have gotten better, whatever the reason(s).

Finally, I've enjoyed our intellectual debate, here. You remained steadfast without descending into childish name calling (except for the little girl part :) ). Thanks for the friendly banter. Now I'm heading for the sheets - 5:30 comes early in the morning!

GO VOLS!

Posted by Ashley on March 27, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Volalumnus, do you like CPF?

Posted by sjt18 on March 27, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In case the general is still around... Rogers posted his numbers while playing opposite the SEC's leading receiver- Taylor.

Your point about the QB's is definitely valid though.

nafslov, the kids you are throwing rocks at played and played well. Get over it. They started and unless you have contrived some idea of racism... you can't deny they deserved it.

How is it an indictment of Bartholomew that he got injured before he could make a mark in the NFL? He compared favorably to alot of NFL FB's that have had long, productive careers.

Name one black player that you've said was a waste of a jersey. Your comment about condemning them for thinking they were bigger than the team is worse than ridiculous.

Let me help you a little: Why haven't you posted that JaKouri Williams was a wasted jersey? Olasimbo? Yancey? CJ Leak? Slick Shelley?

No. That's a title you reserve for white kids that actually started and made a contribution. Crawl back into your hole. Sports, at least, should be one place where we can let racism go.