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Tebow helps circumcise impoverished children in Philippines

Florida QB adds new facet to fame

DAVE CURTIS The Orlando Sentinel
Originally published 11:12 a.m., May 15, 2008
Updated 11:12 a.m., May 15, 2008

Florida fans by now know the legend of Tim Tebow by rote: he plays quarterback as well as anyone in America, sings on stage with the stars of country music, makes girls swoon every time he smiles.

During spring break, Tebow added a new facet to his fame. In an impoverished village outside General Santos City in the Philippines, Tebow helped circumcise impoverished children.

On the Friday of a weeklong trip to the orphanage his father's ministry runs in Southeast Asia, Tebow assisted with the care of locals who had walked miles to the temporary clinic that the ministry helped organize. More than 250 people underwent medical and dental procedures, some of them from "Dr. Tebow," who has no formal surgical training.

"The first time, it was nerve-racking," he said. "Hands were shaking a little bit. I mean, I'm cutting somebody. You can't do those kinds of things in the United States. But those people really needed the surgeries. We needed to help them."

Tebow didn't plan on operating that day in the Philippines - his job was to preach to the hundreds of people before they had teeth pulled or cysts removed. But as the day rolled on, he grew curious about the three Filipino doctors and his friend, University of Florida graduate and aspiring doctor Richard "R.B." Moleno, in the bus-sized vehicle that served as a mobile hospital.

Tebow started as a helper and gofer, holding tools and running errands for the medics. By afternoon, he was asking questions and looking for more active ways to help. And by the end of an exhausting day, he was wearing gloves and a mask, wielding surgical scissors, finishing off stitches with a snip.

"You could see he was really into it," Moleno said. "He thought it was cool. I'd make a stitch, he'd cut a stitch. He got his hands a little wet in surgery."

Moleno joined three Tebows - Tim, brother Robby and father Bob, along with Shaun Young, a friend and Florida graduate who plans to attend dental school this fall, on the trip. All five spent better than 24 hours on airplanes flying more than 9,000 miles to the Philippines; throw in the time change, and the men lost nearly two days to travel.

The five stayed at Uncle Dick's Home, the orphanage near General Santos City. They spent Monday through Thursday preaching at 15 schools, going from one to the other on bumpy Jeep rides. Throughout, the trip provided culture shock -- the men carried toilet paper in their backpacks and cleaned themselves with "bucket showers," a local tradition that looked just how it's imagined.

Friday brought another ride, this one to an area that lacked even the basic amenities enjoyed in the city. Families lined up for hours waiting for the mobile-care units, and the people took numbers, like customers at a deli, to designate who would be seen first.

"It was a pretty amazing sight," Young said. "People wanted to get care so much they were fighting to get on the bus. They all thought their number should be next."

The locals started by hearing a brief Christian sermon from one of the Tebows and then moved to a brief medical exam from a Filipino doctor. The patients had their blood pressure taken, heart beat checked, and any available medical history reviewed.

Moleno had purchased medicine in the city, and patients not needing immediate care were given a stash and sent home. Others were sent to Young, who extracted a couple of dozen teeth, then gave toothbrushes to school-age children who had never cleaned their mouths before.

The men worked until dark, Bob Tebow said, and still had to turn away at least 50 people.

As for the doctor thing, that seems to be a temporary gig for Tebow. He played quarterback in last month's spring game and plans to spend the fall trying to lead the Gators to a national championship, maybe snagging another Heisman Trophy along the way.

That, no doubt, will grow his legend much more. But in a small Filipino village two months ago, that legend got its biggest boost yet.

"You always hear that this kid can do anything," Young said, "and then I see him doing surgery. Maybe he can do anything."

       193 Comments

Posted by VOLstuckINky on May 15, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I get to be first on this juicy article .......

If you don't have one .... you cut one ......

Posted by MemfrisVOL on May 15, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He had plenty of practice circumcising all the legs of his jeans to make his rumored 300 pairs of jorts.

Posted by TommyJack on May 15, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I hate to pass on this, I'll defer to Kingsport.

Posted by VOLstuckINky on May 15, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

by the way .. UF making a move in the Fulmer cup competition .... Adams ... here you go if you're snooping around the boards

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.c...

Posted by Vol13 on May 15, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When asked where he got his experience, Tebow said "Last year in America we played a team called the Vols. I probably circumcised 25 or so of their defense players over the course of about 3 hours."

Attempts to reach John Chavis, Tennessee Defensive Coordinator, were unsuccessful. Chavis is rumored to be out of the country on a recruiting trip. News at 11.

Posted by Redvol on May 15, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hard to root against this guy off the field, obviously doing the "good" work and living an admirable life. Like our Chris Lofton, he is a role model for our youth. I'll be fired up though when the Gators roll into Knoxville this fall. Go Vols!!!

Posted by foreverorange on May 15, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know he a good quarterback and a great person off the field and all, but could someone tell me why is KNS reporting the fact that florida quarterbacks are in third-world countries touching little boys. SERENITY NOW!!

Posted by VolnDothan on May 15, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

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Posted by KingsportVol on May 15, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13 that is freakin hysterical.

Posted by LazhilUT on May 15, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Michael Jackson will join Tebow's dad's church.

That was wrong...

Posted by wkb12 on May 15, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

foreverorange: Thank you...someone needed to say it..you beat me to the punch!

Posted by hallsguy on May 15, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow has lots of practice circumcising defenses around the SEC and the D3 teams Florida plays to juice up their record.

Posted by murrayvol on May 15, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everything was going fine until they discovered Lorena Bobbitt with a scalpel in her hand and a smile on her face.

Posted by BPongVol on May 15, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just too easy! "...he grew curious...You could see he was really into it." My suspicions are confirmed.

Honestly, could he not have just continued to preach or feed them or something like that? Circumcisions? Really?!

Posted by givehim6 on May 15, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I hate too I will agree with redvol, he's a great guy just wish he was not playing for the swamp lizards. But GO VOLS!

Posted by givehim6 on May 15, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I hate too I will agree with redvol, he's a great guy just wish he was not playing for the swamp lizards. But GO VOLS!

Posted by KingsportVol on May 15, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.

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Posted by TommyJack on May 15, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport: bwaaahahahahhaha meat cigar..hahahaha

Posted by BPongVol on May 15, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, this guy can't even make a 900 on the SAT (which I think you get just by writing your name) but he is now performing surgical procedures? Something doesn't seem right about that.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 15, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NEWS FLASH

Tim Tebow just circled the earth 720 times in less than one minute. Saves Lois Lane, stops the Earthquake in China, prevents the Cyclone in Myanmar and makes fuel go down to $2.99 a gallon.

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

According to the article, "All five spent better than 24 hours on airplanes flying more than 9,000 miles to the Philippines and stayed at Uncle Dick's Home".

This is way too easy...I will relinquish my remaining 5 minutes of time to the fine Senator from New Hampshire.

Posted by FishTacos on May 15, 2008 at 1:05 p.m.

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Posted by mtnsvol44 on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can say what you want about him but he is not robbing,stealing,assulting,etc,etc like some of his slimey cohorts.

Posted by foreverorange on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He plows! he spins! he jukes! He runs over you! He runs around you! He..........circumcizes?

Posted by UTfan4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just odd actually...........

Posted by tigervol9802 on May 15, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This was reported on ESPN.com last week....

Tebow is very much like Weurfell in that I really can't hate the guy off the field.

Still, this is really odd.........

Posted by FishTacos on May 15, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do agree Tim TEBLOW is doing great things on and off the field. This is just really odd. He could have gone over to the Gulf Coast and helped out some fellow Americans rebuild their lives.

Posted by TommyJack on May 15, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow needs a PR agent...seems to invite ridicule.

Posted by McMinnVol on May 15, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dislike the Florida Gators football team as much as any of you, but I have the utmost respect for Tim Tebow. Great article and I am glad it was put on this site. Go Vols!

Posted by pdhuff on May 15, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think...I just can't....oh well......

Posted by imw8n4u on May 15, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article reads like an SNL skit. However, getting beyond the obvious middle school jokes, he really is doing good work and should be commended.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 15, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if he flinched like Shakey the Moil. I am surprised a Yamika will fit on his head.

Posted by KingsportVol on May 15, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebo is flying in this weekend to circumcise TOMMYJACK,Ashley and 3 Kentucky Basketball recruits.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You would think that a State who is home to the man who invented the internet would get infomation in a more timely manner.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports...

Posted by TommyJack on May 15, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport: I like it. Cut TOMMYJACK down to lower case. lol

Posted by CrankE on May 15, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And they stayed at Uncle Dick's Home. You just can't make this stuff up.

To be the man, you gotta .... uh, ... circumcise the man?

Posted by 99gator on May 15, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i understand that the whole country probably suffers from tebow fatigue.

on the field, bad mouth all day long if you want and twice on sunday.

off the field, he's a good kid.

i am as cynical as anyone when it comes to athletes and what they do off the field....but, tebow and wuerffel are not just talk.....which is why they carried some respect within the locker room.

they don't do like most of us and go to church for an hour and then do nothing. they actually do things in an attempt to help their fellow man.

even writing this, i feel a bit corny and foolish....but, they walk the walk.

Posted by VOLS85 on May 15, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mcbrim...if you hadn't noticed already, Al Gore could not even carry this state in a Presidential election. He's a hypocrite and will perenially be #2. He belongs as much to us as that bottom dweller steve spurrier.

Catfish tonight, honey?

Posted by ETorange on May 15, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just heard that Tebow won the Oscar Mayer contest and with that he gets to sing " My Dingaling" at half-time of the Georgia / Florida game

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

85...I am not your "honey", however, I am surprised how long it takes for news to get into the State of Tenn. As far as Spurrier goes, he would be a state hero...had he not kicked your arses so many times in the past....and future.

Kindest Regards

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by BPongVol on May 15, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, this guy can't even make a 900 on the SAT (which I think you get just by writing your name) but he is now performing surgical procedures? Something doesn't seem right about that.
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As the average Vol SAT is 545, I guess Tebow is sitting good...

Kindest Regards

Posted by murrayvol on May 15, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's hoping Tebow will be inspired to concentrate more on his premed studies and missionary work at the expense of his time in UF's backfield.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 15, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99, I guess the reason so many people respond the way they do (including me) is because he is so good. If we stop him on 4th down in the 06 game we win. Last year's game he gave our defense false hope early in the game the proceed to lay 59 on us.

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that it is disgusting that you go to an impoverished community, and require the people in dire need of medical assistance to listen to a sermon before you help them. Nothing like coerced religion.

I also agree with the other posters as to why the H_LL this article is even on this website. Isn't it GoVolsXtra, and not AnyFreakinArticleRemotelyLinkedToAnyFreakinSchoolInTheCountryXtra? ESPN covers this kind of crap enough.

Posted by mparker on May 15, 2008 at 3:42 p.m.

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Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that it is disgusting that you go to an impoverished community, and require the people in dire need of medical assistance to listen to a sermon before you help them. Nothing like coerced religion.
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Thank God Tebow can go there and help with small medical proceedures and not worry about some stinking LAWYER taking him to task. Don't like the article or subsequent post, THEN DON'T READ THEM.

Geeze..it is so easy to get a law degree now a days.

Kindest Regards

Posted by mparker on May 15, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow is probably an alright guy. I don't care for the relgious stuff, but that's his life, and he is welcome to it.

Still, I agree with the poster 'you can't make this stuff up'.

Posted by invisiblekid on May 15, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Murray, 12:26 post. Never mention that evil, vile woman's name again please.

There really shouldn't be an option to remove posts on this particular article. The powers that be at KNS that decides what gets published had to know what to expect when they put it up.

For some reason, I have the image of a flashing neon sign promoting "Buy One Circumcision Get Second Half Price at Uncle Dick's".

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mc-Florida homer,

1)Generally speaking, considering how many hoops you have to jump through (preliminary claims boards, etc.), and how difficult it is to actual prove medical malpractice, the only people taken to task by a lawyer are the ones that deserve it. The laws are in place to actually help the consumer of medical services. I guess you are just a big fan of bad doctors.

2)You completely missed the point of my post in your blind rant against lawyers. Tebow isn't going to the Phillipines because of his overwhelming need to help out with medical procedures that he is afraid to do in the U.S., he is going to spread the word. Making people who are "taking numbers" and "fighting to get on the [medical aid] bus" sit through a sermon before you help them is the religious equivalent to shooting fish in a barrel.

When you have something thoughtful to add, let me know. Don't let your jealousy of lawyers get in the way.

Posted by BPongVol on May 15, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It seems, mcbrim1998, that you are the one that doesn't like the posts so maybe you shouldn't read them. Also not sure where you got the vols avg SAT score so I'm not sure I believe you. Kindest Regards.

This article is in the SEC news section for those wondering why it is on this site.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BP...I got the number out of the air..just like the number on Tebow...that was the point.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol. When I need medical assistance, I should call you? No thanks.

You can google all you want, but I think you will find many more lawyers who have screwed their clients than doctors. I have yet to read where doctors SET OUT to screw their clients, but can find daily lists of lawyers who do so.

Your problem, like most lawyers, is with religion. As much as you and the ACLU try, you will not be able to eliminate it, so, you might as well stop trying.

Now, as soon as we read about a SINGLE LAWYER who took his vacation time to HELP someone instead of shake them down, please post the link here.

Finally, had this been Peyton doing the same thing, we wouldn't be having this discussion...would we?

Kindest Regards

Posted by VOLS85 on May 15, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know if you've seen that bottom dweller since he came back to college football or not, but I will inform you that the good ole boy forgot how to win...and he hasn't beat fulmer in a couple years, and might I add that his record hasn't been shimmering...At least ole Phil has made it to the SEC championship game, spurrier hasn't even sniffed first in the east at the end of the season. Washed up much?

honey

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

85...Spurrier cannot get the top guys to go to SC, just like Fulmer can't get the top guys to go to UT.

Kindest Regards

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mc-retarded,

You are right. Each political candidate (right & left) isn't talking about medical insurance reform because medical costs aren't too high. Meanwhile, doctors aren't making $500k+ to run unnecessary tests and perform medically "simple" procedures because they can't just pass the cost along to the consumer. But whatever, you obviously have your finger on the pulse of society.

Also, most law firms have a pro-bono (you know, free service) requirement, because it is actually written into the field's professional requirements. While 50-100 hours of that kind of work by many many lawyers may not be a big deal to you, last time i checked, doctors have no such requirement.

Again, you missed the point completely because you are blinded by anyone commenting on something to do with religion. If the sermons were optional, say after the people were treated, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't like coercion whether it is in religion, the law, unnecessary medical procedures, or whereever it is used.

You shouldn't be punching your evangelism card at the expense of people who just want to get some help.

Posted by BPongVol on May 15, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim1998, In case you didn't know, this is a vols board so of course we are going to make fun of a florida QB that circumcises little boys. Bahahaha! It just doesn't get old!

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, and by the way, the lawyer who brought the suit in Knoxville exposing the "sunshine laws" issue and getting all those people held accountable for abusing city government, was not paid.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 15, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

against lawvol is the only time I will ever agree with mcbrim1998 if it was budweiser sponsoring this medical event and they handed out free t-shirts... nothing would be said. If it was a credit card company handing out t-shirts and asking you to sign up for a card before getting medical help... no problems there (they go to college campuses and do similar events all the time) but mention one thing about God... not just any God cause had it been buddha it would have been cool... but mention something about a sermon of Jesus Christ being preached and the lawyers will come out of the wood work. I'm sorry lawvol but when lawyers are known for there work in helping humanity instead of suing McDonalds because of HOT coffee ... their opinion will mean something, until then ... the jokes and stereotypes will remain true

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that it is disgusting that you go to an impoverished community, and require the people in dire need of medical assistance to listen to a sermon before you help them. Nothing like coerced religion.
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Thank God Tebow can go there and help with small medical proceedures and not worry about some stinking LAWYER taking him to task. Don't like the article or subsequent post, THEN DON'T READ THEM.

Geeze..it is so easy to get a law degree now a days.

Kindest Regards

And apparently its easy to get a medical degree now a day's too....at least if you are in the Philippines that is.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 15, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about the lawyer who helped a lady sue a department store because she tripped over a child running through there ailse (it was her child) Or the lawyers that helped OJ get off... stand up men and women I tell you. One bad apple doesn't ruin the tree, but a tree is known by its fruit ... that last part is from the Bible (sue me) and if that is true then lawyers by in large are some horrible individuals.

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol,

Good points on your last post. Still waiting for mcrim's response.

Must be googling as we speak.

Posted by lawvol on May 15, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most people have always disliked the practice of shoving the message of any God down someone's throats. I believe Jesus multiplied the loaves of bread and the number of fish before he started his sermon. Wow, his followers were actually there voluntarily in the face of Roman persecution. Unlike an poor phillipino who just needs a flu shot and couldn't care less about a sermon on Jesus Christ.

Jokes and stereotypes of lawyers has nothing to do with the issue. I had the same view before my easy trip down law school lane where I was brain-washed by the ACLU.

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BOASoldier,

I partially agree with your 4:39 post. However, it isn't lawyers that want to go and sue companies. People launch lawsuits and solicit lawyers to help them. Are there some shady lawyers out there, absoultely. But there are also shady Dr's and preachers too.

What is interesting about Law, is that a good lawyer interperets the law. Good or bad...right or wrong, if they know what the law's say, they can manipulate it.

I don't condone lawyers that are shady. However, you can't lump them all together. There are many that do good. I have a contract with the Division of Mental Retardation Services here in TN. The Division has lawyers as do the family members fighting the system. Depending on what side you are on, dictates the "good" and the "bad".

I'm no lawyer, but judging them as "by and large horrible individuals" doesn't seem fair to me. I've known a lot of Christians that haven't bore good fruit, but that won't have me thinking the church is full of horrible individuals.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articl...

yeah lawyers are great.... I understand why the horrible Ten Commandments were taken from public places. I mean think about it... thou shalt not kill, thow shalt not steal, thou shalt not committ adultery ... these are the people the lawyers are defending... we shouldn't make them feel bad about themselves. That's enough on this football article... back to the cutting board

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol,

I can understand your argument in part. However, if those individuals volunteering their time to help others only ask for those receiving help to listen to a sermon, I'm ok with that. You mentioned choice when people came to listen to Jesus' message and you are correct...choice is the key. But they also weren't expecting anything in return.

I think it is ok to require someone to listen to a message about God if that is what they are "charging". Seems to me a small price to pay for something as important as a medical procedure.

Bottom line is what you say...if they don't want to listen to the message for their shot or snip, they don't have to come. Their choice.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 15, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree marc_ash there are horrible people in all facets of life and I'll agree that lumping lawyers all together was a bit precarious. So I apologize on that front. I guess it just bothers me that every time you turn around you see someone complaining about the spread of Christianity... If it had been an organization such as Jeep sponsoring the event they would have had all kinds PR and sales info for their product. No where does it say they had to sit through a sermon first... it merely says he was preaching to them which probably meant that he was giving a sermon while they waited. What is wrong with that. I received a medical book through half.com the other day with a copy of the Quran ... did I thrash out and want the person that sent it to pay? No ... i simply am sending them a copy of the New Testament. If we as Americans believe in freedom of religion then let us have that freedom as Christians too. As is "lawyers" have helped pass laws that will not let children quietly pray in school, and the next time Virginia Tech or Columbine happens someone will say "where is GOD?" kinda messed up to me ... JMHO later I'm done.

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

boasoldier,

Yea, I'm sure the lawyer that represents abused and neglected disabled people are horrible people too. Maybe my friend who had his child kidnapped by her mother and didn't get to see her for 2 years..I guess the lawyer that got him custody was a bad one also. Maybe the lawyers that represent rape victims or that prosecute drunk drivers are bad folks too.

I respect your opinions, but you might want to check in with judging all people (i.e. lawyers) as a whole. I for one am glad God doesn't do that.

Posted by auttat on May 15, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most mission trips are based on the idea of, "we can help you physically and spiritually."

They were there because they believe in a person who believed in helping others. They wanted to convey that message and let them know that the physical attention was not their only purpose.

From the sound of the article, those seeking attention didn't mind to hear a brief sermon. They were fighting to get on the bus.

Posted by marc_ash on May 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

boasoldier,

I just wrote a long response to your last post and it wouldn't post. ....now I have to go home.

In short, good points in your last post. I'll try to respond tomorrow if people are still posting. Very upset the computer dogged out on me...ugh.

Posted by gator4life on May 15, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, I read the responses on here figuring to see the middle school jokes...just didn't expect this one to turn into a fight between the lawyer fans and the bible thumpers.
I was going to add that he practiced for the Phillipine work by castrating a crew of Vols last year....but that was just too easy.

Posted by jimr07 on May 15, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- The Washington Redskins released former Pro Bowl kick returner Jerome Mathis on Thursday and signed undrafted rookie defensive end J.T. Mapu.

Mapu had 65 tackles, three sacks, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries in four years at Tennessee. He attended the minicamp on a tryout basis.
tim tebows circumsizing a filipino boy is probably more important than keeping up with ex-vols. since this is positive, it does not fit the mold for KNS story. i like to help john adams when i can keep up with news.

Posted by tigervol9802 on May 15, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol -

Point of clarification.

Actually the feeding of the 4,000 and the 5,000 was at the end of a long day of teaching and healing, not pre-sermon.

Carry on.

Posted by volwalk on May 15, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What an amazing kid! Hard to root against this guy but as long as he wears a gator uniform, I will find a way. GO VOLS!

Posted by GerryOP on May 15, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard that Tebow got paid $2 a head plus tips... Sorry, couldn't pass it up...

Posted by jgvol8 on May 15, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow is used to handling male organs. GO VOLS!

Posted by VolJoe on May 15, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't know Tony Joiner liked the Philippines

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol,

When you are in court, do you call those on the other side "retards"? I think this proves one of my points about lawyers.

The reason doctors run a gazillion unnecessary tests is because if they don't, and a patient develops an illness some time later, WHAM, the ambulance chasers are all over the doctor..for not ordering every test ever invented.

Lawyers never do pro-bono unless they see a pot of gold on the other side....it is called CONTINGENCY FEES.

I never went to law school so I cannot qualify as a retard.

Kindest Regards

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea...I bet you vols will be laughing when he drops 59 on you AGAIN.

Kindest Regards

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Touchdown,

Are you saying that a "QUEER" kicked the mighty vols arses?

Kindest Regards

Posted by dvols on May 15, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by General_Watermelon on May 15, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim1998 - Sir we have Coach Phil Fulmer to lead us to the promise land (aka The Sears Cup).

Posted by marinevol on May 15, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim, you have come on a UT site to bash UT, bash lawyers, thump your bible and promote your gay quarterback. Have you ever thought about how screwed up your life is?

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 15, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

marine

Show me where I "bashed UT".

Kindest regards.

Posted by marinevol on May 15, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volwalk, when you say it's hard to root against this guy, just how did you mean that?

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 15, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow's patient in the Philippines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKP1_-...

OR...is it the orange kool-aid fountain of loser denial? You decide.

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 15, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, let's try that again.

Tebow's patient in the Philippines?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKP1_-...

Or, have we found the orange kool-aid fountain of loser denial? You decide.

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 15, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You Florida fans need to get your heads out of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi9gR_...

Posted by KingsportVol on May 15, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beware of the drunk pee drinking monkey.

Posted by rootin4volz on May 15, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hahahaha!! I can't believe I'm reading this! Gives new meaning to the term "Gaytor". Chomp chomp, Snip snip!! Hahahaha!!!

Posted by volwalk on May 15, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

marinevol,

read the whole post--"....as long as he is wearing a gator uniform, I will find a way."

I got to respect a kid that is volunteering his time in a third world country to help spread the gospel as well as serve others. One thing I will guarantee you though, once he steps foot into Neyland this fall--I don't care if he is the next Mother Theresa--he becomes the enemy.
by the way no pun intended with the volunteering comment.

GO VOLS!!

Posted by mparker on May 16, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Posted by mparker on May 16, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol:
a country is only as good as its business leaders and its judicial system. If either is corrupt, you are living in a nightmare.

If those two funciton well, everything else falls into place.

OKay, KNS, wipe this one out too. Gotta be something in here that offends some twit.

Posted by nicksjuzunk on May 16, 2008 at 5:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well,

I guess I'll just echo what most everyone has said that hasn't made a joke (hard to resist).

You have to respect Timbo for his work off the field. He's been doing these trips with his family for years and you have to respect that unless you just can't respect his faith.

Lawvol has an interesting point on Jesus feeding and then preaching but they had already been following him for a long time; that's why they were hungry. Fair enough, we are more like that in Malaysia through our providing education to many mus**m's without sharing much of our beliefs. We hope that our lives will eventually be a strong testimony to them.

Posted by sjt18 on May 16, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I think that it is disgusting that you go to an impoverished community, and require the people in dire need of medical assistance to listen to a sermon before you help them. Nothing like coerced religion."

Who got coerced lawvol? That's a ridiculous assertion. It isn't coercion to minister to people's spiritual needs by OFFERING the gospel while ministering to their physical needs. No matter what our PC society might have indoctrinated you with... a person does not have a "right" NOT to hear or see religious expression in public or when receiving charity.

They were following the example of Christ Himself. He never seperated the gospel from good works. In John 6 we get an account where He perceived that the crowd was following Him just to get free food. He instead gave them a strong gospel message. The Bible records that many of His disciples didn't follow Him anymore after that.

I hope he goes 0-22 with 7 INT's when UF plays UT but Tebow's personal testimony through word and deed is exceptional.

Posted by sjt18 on May 16, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I believe Jesus multiplied the loaves of bread and the number of fish before he started his sermon."

John 6 demonstrates your belief to be incorrect.

Did you find a reference somewhere that the Tebow's required a religious profession/conversion before they gave medical treatment or medicine? Is there any suggestion that all they asked was that those getting FREE medical treatment listen to their testimony concerning the One in whose name the treatment was being given?

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

About the article:

I say I'm glad Tebow's doing good things...but thi si certainly a tad bit weird.

As for GenerealFritters youtube rampage:

OUTSTANDING!

As for the lawyer posts. Yes. There are a couple of good lawyers. Howewever, lawyers and Judges (Not Tim of course) have DESTROYED our once great country . This especially applies to liberal Judges. What once was right has become wrong and what once was wrong has become right. That describes our country today. That situation is described in a very, large book. We are living it.

As for some of the current post removals.

I am a wee bit surprised at some of the ones that have been removed. There doesn't seem to be any quantifiable levekl of consistency there. I think Dupree has taken an internship at KNS.

Posted by sjt18 on May 16, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol, Mat 13:58 also tells us that Jesus didn't do many miracles in Nazareth because of their unbelief in His message.

Sorry for hijacking the thread but the error expressed by lawvol pervades and harms our society- the whole notion that Christianity's ideals and influence are to be compartmentalized, restricted, and distinctly separated from societies institutions and the public square.

Posted by sjt18 on May 16, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

geoff our founders established a gov't with three equally empowered branches of gov't all deriving their rightful powers from the people.

The most powerful element of the judiciary was NOT supposed to be judges but rather juries. Liberals have manipulated the system to elevate the judiciary above the other branches and judges to the position of autocrats in the judicial system... and most Americans accept this corruption without pause or concern.

Posted by mparker on May 16, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(This comment censored by stie staff to remove any 'unapproved' content'.)
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Hey, bubba, dang, go with them their vols!

Posted by mparker on May 16, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm getting some amusement by watching which posts get removed. I'm pretty certain they are removed at the request of ANOTHER poster, which is also interesting in the desire to try to control free speech rights.

Since I don't use profanity very much, I can only assumre this: it's okay to abuse anohter poster in text, or to personally degrade a coach or player. Slander of a university is just fine.

It is NOT okay to be non-religious, to think we are getting robbed by the oil industry/oil speculators, or to imply that our beloved leaders are paid crooks.

As I continue to have posts deleted, I'll see what kind of person emerges on the other end. Right now, the image seems to be of a nazi.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 16, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not sure that they censor the posts of "nazi's", but they clearly censor the posts of idiots.

Kindest Regards

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18.

Thank you my friend. You are spot on!

Our freedom has N E V E R been free...but far too many either forget or never knew and never will with the current climate of chaos in our once great country. The destroyers are working miracles. Our country will never be the same in our lifetime. It has been shattered into a cesspool by the knowing acts of the rude, crude and irreverent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uzVt2Za0YGc

The time to pay the piper is very, very close. Revelation 6:8

mparker.

Some of your posts are what I'm referring to. I have no clue why they would be removed when some of the other much worse things are allowed to stand. Your post have all been fine by me.

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Remove that!

Posted by TommyJack on May 16, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Quality of posts seems to be diminishing.
Is it the doldrums, too many posters with zits, not enough articles, what?

Posted by volfan on May 16, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since he did not get paid for his services, did he get to keep the tips?
Just wondering.

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 - I was shooting on the fly with the loaves of bread comment, as I don't carry a bible on me. I still stand be the overall point that religion should not be coerced. This isn't a bunch of people sitting through a pitch on buying a condo so that they can get two FREE nights in a hotel room. These are people that have no options for health care, so evangelicals decide to have them sit through a sermon to get the FREE medical care. I agree with another poster, who said that you provide the services, you let them know where it is coming from, you offer them the chance to hear your message, and you let your actions bear witness to your faith.

As to the separate branches of government and judicial power, the most powerful part of the judiciary was not always intended to be the juries, because when the 6th amendment was drafted, the only venue for guaranteed jury trials was in the criminal setting (not the setting some have contended is activism by the courts)and in England and in the colonies, trials had started moving away from jury involvement. It is a MODERN judicial interpretation of our rights that give people more jury rights.

In case you were asleep during middle school, the legislature makes the laws, the Executive branch enforces them, and the Judical branch tells everyone if those laws comport with the constitution. Liberals haven't changed anything as far as the judicial system or judges are concerned (I am the furthest you can be from a liberal). The system has always been the same. It was the court telling people that laws against women and blacks voting were not ok. It was the court telling people that laws against blacks getting equal education were not ok. It was the court telling presidents that they couldn't ignore the legislative branch whenever they wanted to. And yes, it is the court that tells you that the government can't have the ten commandments displayed. But opps, the 1st amemdment and the very reason we came over here from England support that view.

GO VOLS

Posted by TommyJack on May 16, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What lawvol said, and said, and said. Makes good points.

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry about the length of the last post. Didn't realize it until after i submitted it.

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol.

Please take off your legal bias sunglasses.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2...

By the way...how many new lawyers does the United States graduate each year? A flood. Compare that to other countries and you'll see why lawyers have ruined our country. There are far too many and they make up idiotic lawsuits that jam our courts so they can feed properly. They are the greediest buch of professionals our nation has ever produced. What was once a proud and honorable profession today is dispicable bunch of seldf serving ego maniacs who would sue their own mothers if they could make a buck.

http://duncankennedy.net/documents/Li...

Try thumbing through this sites archives in addtion to the listed column:

http://www.overlawyered.com/2003/09/c...

Plus...about our new culture in general:

http://www.cheatingculture.com/aboutb...

Shakespeare had it right long...long ago.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 16, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LAWVOL...and the same courts you so protect say that the gas we exhale is a pollutant.....

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here ya' go...go join your people:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwlUYeDi-YE

Yes...thank you...such a proud country now.

Posted by auttat on May 16, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus preached that we should go and spread the word. They, Tebow's, were helping those that could not help themselves and they were preaching to them why they were doing it. They were on a mission to spread the gospel and also provide aide.

I have no use for a person who says that "Christians" coerce those that they are trying to help, but would most likely defend someone of another religion, who has no problem hijacking a plane and flying it into tall buildings, just to make a dollar. Bottom line, Christians allow themselves to be walked over because we don't stand up for ourselves. Gays have no problems being heard, blacks no, Muslims no. Why? Cause they MAKE themselves heard. Christians say we should turn the other cheek, Muslims say kill'em all.

Our country was founded on the belief in God and the Freedom he provides everyone. Yes, that freedom allows every man to choose what he believes or doesn't believe. Somehow, that freedom progressed into supressing one freedom to make room for another. Kind of a contradiction don't you think?

Posted by BOASoldier on May 16, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The seperation of Church and State was put in the constitution so that a system like the Catholic Church could not be set up where the Church dictated what people did in their every day lives and made the laws and enforced them... not so that we could take prayer out of class rooms or not say the pledge because it says "IN GOD WE TRUST" LAWYERS have stretched the meaning of that ammendment to mean whatever they see fit. To make sure everyone is happy. I'm sorry but according to records over 80% of America is Christian it is the minority of individuals that get their way they're called special interests ... which liberals cater to.

Exodus 20:2–17
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.

10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.

12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

13 You shall not murder.

14 You shall not commit adultery.

15 You shall not steal.

16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 16, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

See verse 4 - 6 above.... which one do you think we are in store for?

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are absolutely correct. Christians in this country have historically been discriminated against, downtrodden, and less heard way more than gays, blacks, and people from religions other than christianity. And all muslims want to kill people. Are you kidding?

No, as one poster on here already pointed out, there are ways to witness without holding people captive to your message. Not every religious endeavor to try and help people involves coercion. Helping at a homeless kitchen doesn't. Helping rebuild a house for someone in New Orleans doesn't. Acting with integrity and leading a good life doesn't. All these are examples of allowing your actions to stand as your message. Then, when people ask, you can tell them why.

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BOASoldier.

Very well put.

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BOAsoldier - actually, the separation of church and state came from the religious persecution in England, which was Anglican and not Catholic. King Henry wanted to divorce, among other things, so he told the pope where to go. In one of your posts you sarcastically talk about how bad it is to display the 10 commandments, and then in another post you talk about freedom of religion. In order to have freedom of religion (1st amendment) the government cannot be seen as endorsing any particular religion. Do you think a reasonable observer in Alabama, seeing an openly christian judge put only the 10 commandments in front of his courthouse, would think that the court is not endorsing christianity? Unfortunately, the constitution protects every citizen, not just the majority.

Posted by auttat on May 16, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol, you are absolutely correct. How dare these people go to another country and try to help them in the name of God?

Hey, let me know when a group of lawyers go to a 3rd world country and provide aide. I will be sure to attend.

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat - (1) I never said people shouldn't use their faiths as springboards to help those in needs. I merely took issue with the way in which this particular operation seems to handle it. (2)Lawyers don't have to go to a 3rd world country to provide help. There are plenty of indigent americans at home that need it. Check out the Legal Aid of East TN clinic here in town. They would be happy to get your help.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on May 16, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if i type the word "FORESKIN", do you think Tim Tebow might (Suggest removal)???

Posted by auttat on May 16, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Considering my dad just retired as EM of a charity organization formed by Churches in my community that provides housing to those living on the streets or money or food to those that can't pay their bills, or furniture to those that just had their house burn down, and I lent my services to that organization when possible, and I donate an hours worth of my pay every pay period to fund organizations such as these, I'd be careful what you say to me.

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat.

Thanks for your service to those in need. Keep it up.

Posted by auttat on May 16, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, tngeoff. It really isn't anything special. lawvol just got under my skin. We could all do a lot more to help those in need. Mission trips are good, but so is helping those in our own communities.

But, hey, speaking of getting under skin, isn't that how all of this started?

Posted by lawvol on May 16, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again,for the umpteenth time, I didn't indict charities in general, I only posted an opinion, tied to an article, that I didn't like the method in which it seems the focus of the article was getting out their message. I respect, not that my opinion should matter, any charity organized to help out the community in which it operates. I bet that the charity you speak of doesn't tell those it assists that they need to listen to its message as a prerequisite for obtaining that aid. However, the fact that you, your father and anyone else involved put in their time to assist others, probably is a powerful enough message to spread the underlying tenets of Christianity. And the church should OFFER its message of love and healing in the process. Just not require it to be heard.

You stated that you would attend where lawyers actually help people, so I pointed out a good place for that. But I guess you want to take a discussion and turn it into threatening messages?

Posted by TommyJack on May 16, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually lawvol, the persecution in England began with the reformers battling the Catholic Church..it evolved into the Anglican situation.
Catholics burned reformers; reformers burned
Catholics...The "freedom of religion" was a result of both sides being controlling. Blame both sides.

Posted by auttat on May 16, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol, it's cool. I wasn't threatening you. It just got under my skin a little.

Many have died in the name of Christianity, as well. Just ask Rosie.

Posted by GerryOP on May 16, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol, tell me again why you think that missionaries teaching about God and Christ is coercion and "forced listening?" Or maybe you had better not. You might feel obligated to bill me for your legal opinion.

Lawyers -- sheesh. Just got done with a civil legal process. Lawyers from both sides screwed things up so badly that the judge threatened to throw all of us out of his courtroom! BTW, both attorneys were "highly reccomended" by another judge!

Posted by volfan on May 16, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our very life preaches a sermon daily, in all aspects of life. What type of sermon we preach is entirely up to us. In other words, in my humble opinion, we shall be recognized by our deeds (not by mortal man, but by God.) We should strive for excellence, although it cannot be achieved. Kudos to those who serve their fellow people who are deserving of help.

Posted by murrayvol on May 16, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

invisible 4 p.m.: Agreed! That thought is way too vivid.

Posted by murrayvol on May 16, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol: This is a losing battle. Have you considered retaining council?

Posted by BOASoldier on May 16, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol one last thought from me. On the day of judgement I PRAY that you have changed your mind and RELATIONSHIP with THE ONE AND ONLY GOD not your religion just relationship. Despite my disagreement with you ... I wouldn't want you or any other lawyer or human being for that matter to end up any place but heaven in the life hereafter... whether you believe or not doesn't matter... DEMONS and SATAN believe in GOD. Mere Belief just doesn't cut it. Good Day sir or madam.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 16, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

by the way as to not hide behind my screen name My name is Justin Coleman, from Chattanooga TN... and I'm a firm believer in one true GOD... that being Jesus Christ. Good day to all.

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BOASoldier.

God Bless you Brother. Way to speak the Truth in compassion. But, the blind are blind for a reason. Our efforts are the efforts we are asked to make, but they must have a heart that can clearly discern the message. I judge no one here and know that their true Judgement is inevitable and inescapable, as is mine. Keep up the great work!

Posted by GerryOP on May 16, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, BOASoldier, in attempting to quell my angst toward some of lawvol's comments -- coercion, forced listening ... in relation to Christians teaching folks about God and Christ -- I neglected to compliment you on your post of 10:54. No lawyer can get us off the hook for breaking those laws ... and ... God's forgiveness is free.

Be well my friend.

Posted by volster on May 16, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't believe this debate is still going on. Look, if you have a legal problem, if you're smart you will go to a lawyer to protect your rights. If you have a medical problem, you go to a doctor. If you want someone to force their interpretation of the Bible down your throat, you go to a Bible thumper. And, if you want your child circumcised you go to a Florida football player known for kissing his teammates on the sidelines. OK, forget that last one. But, don't you think the religious promotion should be carried elsewhere? Afterall, this is a sports site. Just my opinion.

Posted by marinevol on May 16, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I, too, hate to see a great UT site ruined by people using it to interject their political and religious views. There are plenty of other forums for doing that.

Posted by TommyJack on May 16, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volster: True, but you know that this site frequently evolves or devolves (depending on your point of view) into something else. It's the doldrums. Shalom.

Posted by Volfan1 on May 16, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I dislike the Gators, and listen to many fans be naturally obnoxious, Wuerffel and Tebow are the genuine article, on and off the field.
I have met Wuerffel and heard them both speak at a prayer breakfast in Jax about their faith. They deserve the credit due them....especially when too many from ALL schools find fame from the police lineup and not from the starting lineup, or as positive examples.

These two, Wuerffel and Tebow, balance the scales of dignity for UF against guys like mcowned.
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BOA, right on.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 16, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Claudette! We were wondering where you were?!! Shift change came none to soon at your stop-n-rob job and I hope you get a chance to wash and iron your smock this weekend.

Kindest Regards

Posted by tngeoff on May 16, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

marinevol.

You still at Camp Lejeune or are you back over here yet?

Posted by mparker on May 16, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

boasoldier;

look, I'd like you to really dig into this. Let's say we open our borders to immigrants as the boomers croak, umm, die off. We need knew blood, knew workers. All well and good.

Now, lets say, the folks who come over are all devout muslims. REALLY devout muslims. At first it's slow, then more, than they reach a majority...and remember, they are REALLY devout. wE are now long a 'chistian' nation, we are a 'muslim' nation.

They start pushing to have THEIR religion be the ONE. The prayers in school are THEIR prayers. Teh kids MUST bow to mecca six times per day, muslim or 'infidel'.

See where this leads?? If you DON'T have a secular state, you are just asking for trouble down the road. Religion is a 'belief system', and in my view should NEVER, EVER be the government.

Read this quickly before the vipers get it.

Posted by AllLadyVol on May 17, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I dislike the Gators as a football team, I must commend Tebow for actually making an effort to be a positive influence on people instead of getting in trouble and going to jail like so many of his peers.

As a Christian, I especially appreciate the fact that in addition to preaching he also took measures to attend to their practical needs as well as presenting his message. So often we forget that we all have basic human needs and people need to know they are loved and cared for before they'll listen to anything we say.

Go Vols, and good job Tim.

Posted by Volfan1 on May 17, 2008 at 1:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, mcowned, for proving my point.
Classless, tasteless, brainless....your posts.

Posted by pdhuff on May 17, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fair society! All are equal!

How many millionaires are on death row?

Already been "Tebowed", but not getting anywhere near him, in case he needs more practice.

Posted by TommyJack on May 17, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Is right. Justice is blind. But it can hear the jingle of dough.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 17, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Claudette,

The name-calling originated from YOUR camp, missy.

Kindest regards.

Posted by learnron on May 17, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawvol, you are wrong about your thoughts on physicians. MD's are odering more tests so they won't get sued by lawyers. Malpractice costs have sky rocketed due to lack of tort reform. There are bad doctors out there, a few bad apples but there seems to be alot more bad lawyers out there looking for a buck.

Posted by volster on May 17, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't believe this doctor-bashing/lawyer-bashing is still going on. I have had some legal issues in the past, and I'm very grateful to the lawyers who pulled me through. I and my family have had health issues, and I am very gratefull to the doctors that pulled us through. You people coming on this site to bash lawyers due to a bad experience: MAYBE YOU WERE IN THE WRONG. You people coming on here to bash doctors due to a bad experience: MEDICINE IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE. You people coming on this site to thump your Bibles, well ...there's just no hope for you. GO VOLS!

Posted by IPOrange on May 17, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the article: "Tebow assisted with the care of locals who had walked miles to the temporary clinic that the ministry helped organize."

Yeah, but they didn't walk back home after a surgery like that.

Posted by IPOrange on May 17, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the article: "The five stayed at Uncle Dick's Home..."

There's just nothing else I can add to that one.

Posted by IPOrange on May 17, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the article: "Tebow started as a helper and gofer, holding tools..."

Are they writing this stuff on purpose?

Posted by volster on May 17, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"You could see he was really into it," Moleno said. "He thought it was cool. I'd make a stitch, he'd cut a stitch. He got his hands a little wet in surgery."

IPOrange, I agree. They just make it too easy, and take all the fun out of it.

Posted by IPOrange on May 17, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the article: "He got his hands a little wet in surgery."

That just ain't right.

Posted by IPOrange on May 17, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volster - you were faster on the draw that time. Good one.

Posted by Volfan1 on May 17, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the shoe fits, mcowned, keep coming back. Your history of obnoxious, foul, asinine comments are consistent, and they prove my point: Wuerffel & Tebow = class
mcowned & others = no class...and owned by UT

Posted by pdhuff on May 17, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is there no one in Gainesville that need a trim?

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 17, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Claudette,

I don't think you can find a single post of mine that was "foul" and yes, Tebow and Wuerffel are first class, as are ALL GATORS, and therein lies your problem. You just can't STAND it.

Kindest Regards

Posted by Volfan1 on May 17, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcowned,
You are just like an alcoholic, you first have to realize you have a problem before you can get help. You can't even see the antagonistic tone of your posts. You don't visit to give information, but to insult and argue. Yes, professional help is needed for you....and you keep proving I'm right by your posts.

And if you think all gators have class, not only are you obnoxious, you are delusional...and you prove my point again.

Listen, I'm not going to continue fighting a battle of the wits with an unarmed person. So, good night and don't let those demons in your mind take control too much.

Posted by Volfan1 on May 17, 2008 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcowned,
Just one more thing before those voices in your head take control, by you only arguing the point of your posts being "foul", then one must acknowledge that you are agreeing to your posts being "obnoxious and asinine."
That's bad enough....and true enough.

Posted by pdhuff on May 18, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, I thought about this. Homesless kids offered a Baby Ruth. Led into tent, shaaashjam!

Waif be off Gator football and candy the rest of his life.

Posted by mcbrim1998 on May 18, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Claudette,

You just could't HELP yourself! DO I OWN YOU OR WHAT??

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Kindest Regards from a fan from the #1 University in America.

Posted by Volfan1 on May 18, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who is on who's rival team site? mcowned.

Who is beyond help? mcowned.

And with your obsession to posting here, I am glad you have at least finally come to grips with the fact to publicly admit you are a Tennessee Vols fan - "a fan from the #1 University in America." mcowned, again.

That was easy.
Tell those voices to let you rest now.

Posted by tngeoff on May 18, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim.

Here's Tebow's finest moment:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNoqk

Now go back where you came from and clean up after your hero.