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Years of success honored with induction
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Phillip Fulmer has 147 career victories and a national championship as Tennessee’s head coach.
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Take a look down Phillip Fulmer's resume and plenty of accomplishments jump off the page: a 1998 national championship, two SEC championships, six divisional titles and 147 career wins.
But gaze a little longer at that bio, and another trend becomes incredibly obvious.
Some 28 years ago, Fulmer came back to his alma mater as an assistant coach. Twenty-eight years later, he's still here.
That's a big enough feat to earn admission in the Greater Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame all on its own.
When Fulmer, 57, joins nine other inductees in this year's class on July 17, it's not only a tribute to his success on the field. It's a testament to his longevity in a profession that sometimes treats coaches like used cars.
"It's certainly a compliment to the people who have been in our program - the players and the coaches and the administration and their support during that time," Fulmer said. "All those things have to be in place to achieve any level of success as to what I do. It's not like you're being put in there for being a great golfer or a great tennis player or 3-point shooter or anything like that. Being a coach is very much a part of being a team. We've had a lot of good people on the team."
And since November of 1992, Fulmer has been leading the team.
After Fulmer was officially named UT's 20th head coach, 41 coaches have come and gone from SEC schools. Alabama has had five different head coaches. So has Ole Miss, which just hired Houston Nutt who had been the second-longest tenured SEC coach after spending 10 seasons at Arkansas.
Of the 12 current head coaches in the SEC, only two - Georgia's Mark Richt and Mississippi State's Sylvester Croom - have been at one school for their entire career as a head coach. Moreover, four coaches - South Carolina's Steve Spurrier, Auburn's Tommy Tuberville, Alabama's Nick Saban and Ole Miss's Nutt - are on their second go-round in the SEC.
Still, it's not exactly the way Fulmer had it all planned out when came to Tennessee as the offensive line coach in 1980.
"I don't think you could ever think that was the case," Fulmer said. "Fact is, I came back and I was thrilled to be back, but I saw myself more as a pro football coach. That was really what I wanted to do at that time."
And the opportunities came.
Before becoming UT's head coach, the San Diego Chargers, Cleveland Browns and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers all came calling with offers to be an assistant coach in the NFL.
In the last 10 years, Fulmer said he's had opportunities and discussions about making the jump from college to the NFL.
Early in his career, Fulmer didn't want to force his family into following him across the country as he climbed the career ladder.
But now, as then, family and his alma mater made it too costly to leave.
"The reality, again with my children and my situation here, I'm very blessed," Fulmer said. "It's very unique in my world to have a chance to be in one place for this long. That has its plusses and minuses to it. Sometimes people get tired of you, or (want) change for change. It's a pretty special place here, the tradition, the facilities.
"What I represent on a daily basis, all the people that wore the orange before, I take it very seriously."
That approach won't change as Fulmer closes in on a pair of milestones.
After going 10-4 last season and leading the Vols to their third SEC title game appearance since 2001, Fulmer's 147 wins leave him just 26 short of Gen. Robert Neyland's 173 career wins on UT's all-time list.
Fulmer's 95 wins in SEC play, which rank sixth in SEC history, leave him 11 behind Mississippi's John Vaught for second all-time behind Bear Bryant's 159.
Fulmer's proximity to those two milestones, like his induction into the Knoxville Hall, is equal parts of a complimentary equation of success and longevity.
"I have a great love and a great passion for this," Fulmer said. "You have your faith and your family, which my wife would say I even get that out whack every now and then with the time spent and everything. It's not just a job. It's a part of my life, and it's something that I want to leave a legacy that's like I found it."
Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.
© 2008, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

Posted by JohnAdamsIsTrash on May 24, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We love ya coach!!!!! Go Vols!!!!!!!!
Posted by FlushTheJohn on May 24, 2008 at 11:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach Fulmer is a class act. Nice Story Drew!
John Adams, Why are you still here? They need to flush you back to where you belong!!
Posted by FWBVol on May 24, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Phillip Fulmer is one of the icons in Tennessee football history. His success as a player, assistant coach and head coach stand on their own merit.
Yes, it's been a long time, maybe too long of a time between SEC titles and since the national championship. But as far as the national title, it was 47 years between the one the General won and Phillip Fulmer's 1998 team.
Thanks coach for being true to your school, and being a good caretaker of the program.
Posted by LargeOrange on May 24, 2008 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations Coach, well deserved, we are lucky to have you leading our program. Your best days are still ahead. Now that I was lucky enough to say my peace before the usual suspects arrive and trash this article and our respected coach (except for a vocal minority), I will leave and let the lonely band of miserables have at it.
Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 12:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
thank goodness phil chose the vols over the nfl and still has the loyalty to tennessee that some have never shown.
heres to you coach--cheers :)
Posted by Laydbakvol on May 25, 2008 at 12:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nice Article! Congratulations CPF. There are a lot more positives to this program than negatives. Give credit to where credit's due. The stabilizing influence of a long-tenured head coach means more than lot of people appreciate.
Go Vols!
Posted by Gigavol on May 25, 2008 at 12:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I just want to say Go Coach Fulmer!
How many games do you think Tennessee will win next year?
I'll just go ahead and post this and read your replies.
Posted by khelton657 on May 25, 2008 at 12:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
???? is this some sort of conspiracy......????
Posted by volster on May 25, 2008 at 1:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Before the haters come on to start making their juvenile name-calling posts, I just want to say that we are very fortunate to have Coach Fulmer. There is no one else out there that could do as well as he has done, while doing it with class and extreme loyalty to UT. Now, it's your turn haters. Keep making the same moronic juvenile posts you make with every other article.
Posted by ONUV on May 25, 2008 at 1:38 a.m.
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Posted by Fred08 on May 25, 2008 at 1:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you Coach. You are a true Vol, through and through.
Posted by sevenmaxims on May 25, 2008 at 2:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job CPF
Posted by sjt18 on May 25, 2008 at 2:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"It's very unique in my world to have a chance to be in one place for this long. That has its plusses and minuses to it. Sometimes people get tired of you, or (want) change for change. It's a pretty special place here, the tradition, the facilities."
He apparently hears some of the guys who post here, huh?... but somehow he doesn't sound nearly as bitter as they are.
"change for change"... That sums it up pretty well for alot of these guys.
Posted by DannyVol on May 25, 2008 at 2:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Fulmer is a class act all the way. And he's not done yet, folks. This year's team looks to be much better than advertised.
Posted by nicksjuzunk on May 25, 2008 at 4:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations Coach!
Posted by TheLongView on May 25, 2008 at 4:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, Coach Fulmer is building a legacy.
A legacy of mediocrity.
Posted by RichRollin on May 25, 2008 at 6 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thelongview, let's see your resume or a list of your accomplishments. I bett it is more of a joke than your little cheesy comment you just made. He could have been like $RICH$ RODRIGE$$ and left his almamater for more money, but that would have given you BUSTERS something else to bitch about!!!!!! Last I checked I am sending my 8 year old to the Phil Fulmer football camp in june and NOT Thelongview football camp for mediocrity. Thanks Coach Fulmer, thanks for the memories!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by voljkelley on May 25, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach, your time has come and gone- now go away!!!!!
We will see what you all are saying at the end of this year when he losses 5 or 6 games. Sorry, but that is a very realistic. He was a great coach in the 90's, I'll give him that, but the past 7 years he has accomplished nothing but a lost in the sec championship, nothing to be proud of. Time for new blood as Head Coach.
Posted by GerryOP on May 25, 2008 at 7:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He gave his all for Tennessee! God bless and God speed.
Posted by CrankE on May 25, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Three. Coach Fulmer has spent his entire head coaching career at UT. Dummies.
Posted by mbradshaw1 on May 25, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations coach, and God-speed. Oh, please shut up the negative posters on this site this season. There comments are really getting old. I know how hard it is to win week in and week out in the SEC. Some of us got spoiled in the 90's and I might just be one of them. Thank you for your life time support of the Tennessee program and the University.
GO VOLS!!!!!
Posted by THE_VOL on May 25, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You want to talk about longevity?????
3.456 DAYS SINCE THE LAST SEC FOOTBALL TITLE! HOW'S THAT FOR LONGEVITY?????
GATHER UP THE MAGIC DUST CAUSE ANOTHER PERFECT STORM IS BREWING FOLKS!!!
Posted by hbvol on May 25, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Coach Fulmer is a great representative of our state and our university. He will most certainly be in the college football hall of fame someday and I hope he finishes his career here. I also hope we can find a little magic one more time before he is done. I look for 08 to be a better year than people think and that we are really only a good D-line away from a GREAT year. Coach you are a class act and I wish you and the boys all the best. GO VOLS!
Posted by zanebreeding on May 25, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Losing 5 out of 6 games , a realistic possibility??????? Wow , do they deliver the paper to your cave dude???
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congrats, coach on the honor.
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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Posted by PaulTheVol on May 25, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations coach and it is a well deserved honor. You have represented the university with honor, integrity and decency and I am proud that you are our coach.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tngeoff ?
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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Posted by richvol on May 25, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In 15 full years as head Coach he has won 147 games and will definitely end up second in career SEC wins behind Bryant. That is a hall of fame record. For those of you that denigrate his performance perhaps you should examine your own accomplishments.
I remember Coach Vaught and Coach Bryant very well and to be in their company is remarkable in this day and age.
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff.
Yes. If I deviate from the company line being established above I will be attacked...again... so...my post is indiscernable.
Posted by jgvol8 on May 25, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Doesn't this article make us all feel good about our chances this upcoming season. Urban and Saban own him. I've said it before and I'll say it again; our program has been spiraling downwards since the 2001 SEC championship game. 1999, our last BCS game. No SEC titles. What does this tell us?
Posted by 99gator on May 25, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
uhh oh.
i'll set the over/under on 300 comments for this one.
KNS is definitely looking to end the doldrums.
over/under as to when it starts getting ugly is at post 71.
Posted by Bigger_Al on May 25, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
John Adams is vacationing in Branson, Missouri, which is why this article was allowed to be published.
Thanks, Coach. Can't wait for the season!
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
99gator.
Depending on few variables...I say over 1,000. I see the same trend of those rushing to do the gushing I have seen before. It's certainly good for 1,000.
Posted by 99gator on May 25, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
in all seriousness,
how does the KNS have the john adams column and a month or so later come out with this.
i know adams' article was the opinion of one man and not the position of the KNS....
i know we build people up and tear 'em down and build 'em up and tear 'em down.
but, the adams article and this article take it to the extreme.
Posted by txsvol on May 25, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations to Phil Fulmer, a true Tennessee icon deserving of the honor of inclusion into a Knoxville Hall of Fame. With his typical humility, he shares the award with his players and assistant coaches. He takes seriously that he represents all the people who have worn orange before. While all of us would like to have won the SEC and National Championships more than we have over the past ten years, how can some of us not appreciate his class and character? No one ever erected a statue to a critic! There will be a statue of CPF on the Hill when his career is completed, if not before! I also expect him to be inducted into the Tennessee Sports H of F, if he's not already in it, and also, the NCAA Football H of F. Go Vols! SAVol
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Abstain
Posted by volster on May 25, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Are these guys predictable or what? I knew it wouldn't take long for the immature name-calling to start. Don't you guys get tired of putting up the same old posts to every article? You show little imagination in your obsession with your hatred for Coach Fulmer. Shouldn't you start attacking his family? That's what your kind usually do. Surely this isn't all you've got.
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack.
Thus the period. See: .
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
volster.
How I about I start posting links to articles that disprove many of the cult followers claim about the myth they created?
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
got it
Posted by arkyvol on May 25, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i've supported coach fulmer for years and i think he's been a credit to his profession.
however, if you were to divide his years as head coach into two parts, you could not help but be concerned. his first half would make you think hall of fame; the second would make you wonder how he keeps his job. i like fulmer and i hope he can get his career back into the early mode.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ, good picture of ol' Phil. Looks like he is sitting right where he needs to be. He has been a loyal and faithful servant but maybe goals have changed or are unattainable.
thgeoff, stay the course, rethink your charts, there's a brighter day coming.
Doldrums.
Posted by Pullingguard on May 25, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Vols have been well served by Phil Fulmer and so has the community. No one could have been more dedicated to the success of the players, the team and University than Phil Fulmer. Good luck for the future...
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
arkyvol.
See. That is a good post in almost every regard. No illussion...no spin...just truth.
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff.
The storm approacheth.
Posted by Vol13 on May 25, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When you are brokering business deals with most of the top fatcat boosters and have a puppet for an AD - that's how you produce average results and are able to keep your job.
The good ole boy network is alive and well in the UTAD and you guys are lopping it up like dog on a gut wagon. With poor recruiting recently, Fulmer will walk away from the train wreck that UT football has become in a couple of years with the program in the same shape it was when Johnny came marching home. We might even go through 5 coaches ourselves before we get it right. But we will have won a lot of games and Fulmer will have made a lot of money in the process. And so will Hammy and the fatcats who used the UTAD donor list to pitch them business ideas attaching the Great One's name to the ventures and getting them to reach deep into their coffers and pony up their cash.
Keep protecting that establishment Coach. And throw Hammy a bone on occasion. He gets lonely and hungry when you don't make his mouth move. We miss you out here in Jackson Hole. Come on back and see us when you can!!!
Pull up a chair boys and wait. It's gonna seem like eons before we get back to the glory years. Who knows. We might even feel a little remorse about poking fun at Alabama a few years ago.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
vol13: Not lopping it up.
Posted by TurboFan on May 25, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wouldn't it be easier to just cut and paste all the posts anti- and pro-Fulmer from previous articles here. Seems like deja-vu all over again.
Good article, Drew.
Posted by txsvol on May 25, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FWIW, I ran into one of the Big Orange football players of the late '40s yesterday. He had Alzheimer's, but claimed that his first year was the first year that football players lived in the 'Animal Den' of the football stadium (then known as Shields-Watkins field). He couldn't relate a story about General Neyland, or Hank Lauricella, or Doug Atkins, etc., saying that his memory had gone. So, I asked him what caused another Tennessean to come to Texas, and he replied, "Alimony." He then related about selling cars for Hippodrome Motors on Broadway in Nashville, while his third ex-wife practiced medicine. He told that one day, in snow 10" deep, his wife was attending both of two elderly ladies sharing a double room, who had their false teeth in containers by their beds. One of the ladies died, and his physician pronounced her dead, but while she was writing the note, she told the nurse to put the teeth back in her mouth before rigor mortis set in. The next morning, the other lady complained that her teeth hurt her mouth more than usual. The nurse had switched the false teeth! This may just be a b. s. story from a former car salesman, because I couldn't find his name listed among UT football lettermen of the post-WWII era, and he couldn't remember anything about outstanding linemen like Dick Huffman, John Michels, and Doug Atkins. But, the story was funny enough to me to share it with you guys. Go Vols! SAVol
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SAvol: I guess all his ex's lived in TN. lol
Posted by DCSOvol on May 25, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol13, you said it right, sir. The paper has irritated the Great Pumpkin, so now they have to try to make him sound like Paterno or Bowden. Whatever.
Posted by vol52 on May 25, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As long as we live in the past our future is uncertain at best. That is how great football programs falter by living in the past.
Posted by FlushTheJohn on May 25, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Some of you anti Fulmer idiots are such losers. You post on here every day and save articles and links to every negative story ever written about our football program. You fools actually think you can make a difference on whether Fulmer stays or not. It's sad that you claim to be supporters of UT and yet you pull against them just because you think the coach has been around a little to long. Your life is sad and I am thankful every day that I am not like you idiots.
Here's to your continued misery!! This football season is going to be a great one (for those of us who actually pull for our team). And Fulmer will still be our coach this time next year!!! I can't wait to hear your crying tngeoff, TDTN, and company. John Adams will lead the way.
After we win the SEC next year I say we have a "punch John Adams in the Face Day" where we can all slap him silly while we celebrate a championship! You idiots feel free to join Adams in the "get your face smacked Line"!!!!
Go Vols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by volroadwarrior on May 25, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Everything in life has its ups and downs. Coach Fulmer was riding high in the late 90's and hit a low point in 05 when he took his eye off the ball. I would hope we are on the rise again and hold to the top for awhile so he can go out on a high. Hiring head coaches who can take a program to the top and hold it is a risky business and I hope there is a solid succession plan in place. In the mean time, I believe Coach Fulmer gives us the best shot to succeed.
Posted by slovog on May 25, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There are definitely too few "fritter", "FOOLmore", and "KrispyKreme" references in this thread. What's wrong with you guys?
And where are the YouTube URL's?
Come on, fools, you're not staying the course.
Posted by bobbyutvol on May 25, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
a true class act who loves tennessee good luck
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FlushTheJohn.
Punch John Adams in the face day? And everyone who posts anything that doesn't agree with your cultish views is an idiot? Hmmmm...Phil must be very proud to have folks like you "defend" him.
Posted by invisiblekid on May 25, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good stuff SAVol, your posts always provides a light touch to the never-ending struggle between "positive" and "negative" on here.
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI:
http://www.njlaws.com/terroristic_thr...
Posted by invisiblekid on May 25, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
99Gator, 9:06 post, my take is that KNS is simply catering to their two distinct audiences. You have some that can find common ground in the middle but the majority fall into one of two categories: those that worship at the alter of Fulmer and those that revile his every action.
Posted by invisiblekid on May 25, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well-put Volroadwarrior. The only thing I would find any disagreement with is that Fulmer is our only shot to succeed at this point. I don't think his job has ever been close to being in jeopardy.
Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
same ole same ole mediocre posers.
Alabamageoff
pdhuffAlot
volKYjelly
volIQ13
tommyjackMAJORS
and of course the leader of the clown table:
TDTN aka crvol et.al
must be tough living in the trailer w/ the sun beating down on you day after day.its ok boys,hit the soup line and get you a bowl.better days are coming!
Posted by KingsportVol on May 25, 2008 at 11:57 a.m.
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Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
flushthejohn says:You idiots feel free to join Adams in the "get your face smacked Line"!!!!
now thats just funny!
Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kingsportchemicalspill--awe did i hurt your fellings leaving you off the negalist--poor little baby--get you 2 bowls of soup and we can call it even.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see that posivol still has a positive spin on things...tommyjackMAJORS...lol!!
Kingsport: Join us the in soup line...
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
er, U know what i mean...
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang, posivol lives. And spounting 2nd grade references as usual.
There's a reason all are welcome.
Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dang---did i hit a mediocre nerve..........lol
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
posivol- watch the "mediocre" references. Some would think you are describing the product we all support in the fall.
Good to see you back.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FlushtheJohn:
"It's sad that you claim to be supporters of UT and yet you pull against them just because you think the coach has been around a little to long. Your life is sad and I am thankful every day that I am not like you idiots"
My question to you, Flush, is this: Who (other than 99, McBrim, etc) would you say pulls against the Vols?? A simple question.
Warmest personal regards..
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff .
Very...very...very well spoken.
TommyJack.
Vey well put as well. Wtch out though...he is prone to making physical threats against any and eveybody who fails to comply with his mantra. May be Phil himself.
Posted by Vol13 on May 25, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see the University of Fulmer fanbase is out in full force today. What time is Fulmer Walk????? LOL!!!
Fulmer has a winning record against Nutt, Croom, Johnson, and Brooks in today's SEC. If you notice, there are 7 SEC coaches missing from this list. Against the 4 coaches that he has beaten going back to 2000, their respective schools have a combined record of 152-228 and have totaled 21 losing seasons. And I counted Arkansas for Nutt instead of Ole Miss. Yeah, Fulmer's beating up on these guys (who won't be in the league in 5 years), but so is everyone else.
Tough nut to crack when 7 of your peers have your goat.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
13: Don't be injecting facts into this...
Posted by tigervol9802 on May 25, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hall of fames....
Don't people typically get inducted into those when they are past their prime?
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ, reminds me of the A&M teaching vet who told his class. "Gather around this dead cow and I will explain the two things you need to be a successfull vet".
He proceeded to stick his finger in the cows rear and walked back to the dias, turned and sucked on his finger. He said, "you must be at ease with a animal body, now all of you do the same as I". Most hesitated but all finally complied, turning green as they did."
He then said the second thing is to pay attention! "I stuck the third finger and sucked the second."
I guess we just need to drink the koolade and pull for ol' Siwash and don't pay attention to any shortcomings. Works for many.....
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Seems to be a good claim to be made on both sides. Things could be worse and surely could be better. I for one accept the fact that I am a loyal fan and choose to be hopefull for the best results possible each and every year. In my family life and professional life I get involved and make changes where needed as I am the decision maker. In my love for UT football I choose to simply be a fan and maintain positive thoughts. But, I sure hate the one or two arse whoopins that seem to come each of the last few years. Just one man's thought.
Posted by jonathan81254 on May 25, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah, I drink the koolade and wear the orange sunglasses, but as I've said many a time here, I remember Bill Battle, good man though he is, and the ups and downs of Johnny, personal acquaintance though he is and whose folks I knew even much better, and the end result is that UT is VERY lucky to have Phil Fulmer. All you impatient types don't realize what he has accomplished in this piranha-like profession -- it's incredible. Hope he stays another ten years. And don't bother with the insults, and what you think of as the decisive facts. I've fooled around with both quite enough.
Posted by auttat on May 25, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HAHA!
Posted by auttat on May 25, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Gather around this dead cow and I will explain the two things you need to be a successfull vet".
He proceeded to stick his finger in the cows rear and walked back to the dias, turned and sucked on his finger. He said, "you must be at ease with a animal body, now all of you do the same as I". Most hesitated but all finally complied, turning green as they did."
He then said the second thing is to pay attention! "I stuck the third finger and sucked the second."
WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by txsvol on May 25, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TommyJack, I actually asked the guy if he had done a reverse George Strait, but he didn't understand the comment, so I explained it to him. Which Hill Country abode do you do your real estate? Do any of you older alums remember when the football players stayed in something called the 'Animal Den'? I didn't proof-read quite carefully enough before submitting (his should have read hers), but you guys get the idea. He was from Pall Mall, and I told him that, since I didn't know of anyone else from there, he must be their second most famous citizen, and he told me that he grew up less than a mile from Sgt. York's place on the Wolf River, so at least some of his brain was working. His family was in the timber business. Still, anyone who really played for the General, and with and against some of the greats of that era, ought to remember more about football. Go Vols! SAVol
Posted by txvolsfan on May 25, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I never hear suggestions to replace Fulmer, that UT has a realistic chance to get!!! Only get rid of him??? I also never see anyone get out the check book to buy him out??? Just a lot of arse holes(opinions)
SAVOL, great story and good to see you posting, I'm worried about our beloved Spurs!!!
Posted by thesavageorange on May 25, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All I could say when I read this headline was Uhh Ohh!
tngeoff, this won't come close to 1,000 imo, b/c Adams didn't write it.That would have been interesting.
Although I haven't thrown my hat in on the CPF issue, and do take into account both sides of the argument, he should be congradulated for this accomplishment for what he has done and tried to do in the past.
Posted by auttat on May 25, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like how if you support Fulmer, you are in a cult.
HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Vols!! See you all in August.
Posted by Navalorange on May 25, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
13, and the like, please tell me where i can get one of these crystal balls. Or is it a time machine. Your predictions that UT cannot improve with Fulmer are speculation. (or maybe hope, which would be pathetic)He has made some, possibly, very good hires that could meke a difference. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN THIS SEASON. This is a good time to be optimistic. Although for some of you this will never be the case because it is in your nature to be otherwise. Things do have a different feel with this new staff. you naysayers have no evidence that it is gloom. The feel i get about these guys is positive.
Posted by volroadwarrior on May 25, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My point is that success in a program is not necessarily assured by replacing the HC. The results are mixed and I'm sure many can cite examples of both sides of the argument.
The jury is still out on Saban and Urban. After winning the NC, Urban had a mediocre 2007. We won the East, while Urban, Richt and Spurrier did not. Saban took LSU to the top and baled out on them. Auburn was going to fire Tubby, but didn't and he almost won the NC. Spurrier's record at SC speaks for itself as does Charley Weis' results.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
txsvol: see hotmail.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder if the naysayers get totally pumped on gameday. Anyone?
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
nutsack: My guess is, naysayers don't think they're naysayers.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
De Nile must really be a river. Go figure.
Posted by ThurmondEppy on May 25, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sure the naysayers get pumped....by each other.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ThurmondEppy: Too good. Made my day
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How bout a huge HURRRRRRAY for our service men and women. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAYYYY!
Posted by Navalorange on May 25, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I will second that HURRRRRRRAY!!!
Posted by posivol on May 25, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
thanks pd--good to be back.
hope the changes bode well for us this year and the years to follow.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe the changes will bring great improvement to the offense. Just hope they happen early enough so that the season isn't lost in September.
Posted by bleedinorange77 on May 25, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Fulmer,now that's a coach all TN VOL fans should be proud to call our own.as a huge TN VOL fan i will admit there are times when i get T TOTALLY PISSED at some of the play calling,like getting conservative with a lead.but hey,that's why he coaches(AND DOES A DAMN FINE JOB),and i don't he knows how to win!! OH BY THE WAY TELL ME ONE COACH FROM POP WARNER TO PRO WHO DOESN'T HAVE LOSING SEASONS IN THERE CAREER.(FULMER HAS ONLY ONE!!)
Posted by givehim6 on May 25, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You can say what you want about the man but, he has been a positive influence on the young men going throw the UT football program. He is a UT icon. But wonting to be the next Gen. Neyland, this man was a legend! You've been a good hot/cold coach, but I'v read some articles that try to put you up there with Gen. Neyland, and Neyland stadium will never be called Fulmore stadium.
Posted by IPOrange on May 25, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Congrats, Coach. Well deserved.....
TJ at 1:22 p.m. - lol!
FTR, I'm neither "Fulmer all the way!" nor "Fulmer, no way!". I think the job he has done is admirable. Is it time to turn the reins over to someone else? Maybe. Does he have a few more pleasant surprises left for us? Possibly. Whether he's here a few more years or not, I'll continue to pull for the Vols, and I'll continue to respect Fulmer for what he has done for this program until someone else takes over.
OTOH, I agree with nUTsack in the 1:42 p.m. statement: those regular butt whoopings from bama and UF are really getting old. Here's hoping that Spiderman turns the tables.....
Posted by bcbobcat82 on May 25, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Your great coach! We could be stuck with some weirdo loser like Charlie Weiss who was supposed to be a savior. Be Content with such as ye have!!!!! GO VOLS
Posted by davidray31 on May 25, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All of the former players that signed that pettion in the kns last year,speaks volumes about Fulmer.Fulmer,from what I have saw has always been complimentary of the fans.His applogy after the 5 and 6 meant something to me.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This coming year will answer all questions about CPF. The direction of the new offense rest all on him. It doesn't have to be great the first year but it must show we can compete with any and all. 2009 season will secure him as the head coach until he decides otherwise or will seal his fate.
Posted by invisiblekid on May 25, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
autaut, 2:16, I have no problem with supporting Fulmer, after all he is the head coach. However, some folk take it way too far just like some folk take their dislike of the guy way too far. At the end of the day, it is just a game and there are other things in this life to get fired up about.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes there are other things to get fired up about. I have three great kids and wife, great job, and believe in the word of God. But watching the almighty VOLS play great football puts goose bumps on my goose bumps.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Doldrums.
Posted by thesavageorange on May 25, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
invisiblekid , agree, good post.
The only thing getting fired up at the savage residents today is the grill.I am frettig over something however.Do I want Ribeye or T-bone?Reggie Whites dad Charles is my neighbor, so maybe I'll invite him over and sing rocky top untill the beers all gone.Enjoy life folks.Hug the significant other ,kiss the kids if you got em, and thank God your a Vol.
Posted by nUTsack on May 25, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't forget to thank a veteran while your at it and pray for those protecting our freedom today.
Posted by Vol13 on May 25, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yep. Hope springs eternal. And while you all spout off about how he has "righted the ship" and "brought in new blood," you are forgetting one little, minor detail - He wouldn't have done squat if Cutcliffe had not left for Duke and taken Rope a Dope and Luke with him. So I will have to agree that he DID in fact bring in some new coaches by default. But you all act like he locked himself in a room for 3 days brainstorming about how he was going to come up with some mastermind, outside the box, radical idea of how to fix our woes. LOL!!! But it's about par for the course, I guess.
And know this - Trooper Taylor would have stayed in Knoxville with a little coaxing. But a few of the jealous, good ole boys that hang around the program didn't like his zeal for life and the fact that he was garnering some attention and getting credit for some things that their big egos coveted. So they more or less conspired to "not include him in any reindeer games" so that he'd feel like he wasn't wanted and leave.
So the two best recruiters in the Fulmer era (Garner and Taylor) just essentially walked right out of Knox County with no real efforts to retain them. It remains to be seen how the Taylor exodus will effect us long-term. But the Garner exodus has hurt us time and again.
Posted by thesavageorange on May 25, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry nUTsack , I meant to add that as well but got distracted by a customer.
Thanks to every veteran/soldier out there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0DFp7sVDgo
Posted by tigervol9802 on May 25, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang Vol13,
Don't you know there is no place for factual evidence on this message board? Fulmer won 2 SEC titles and a national title 9+ years ago, and for that we should forget everything wrong he has done since then.
Posted by DennisVols on May 25, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
More SEC wins than any active SEC coach or any that is still coaching anywhere.
Yes we want more titles, who on here or anywhere else doesn't.
You can not deny the class in which this program has been run, Fulmer has even addmitted to the mistakes he did make, few that they are.
The bama's and others have searched far and wide for a coach that can win and have a winning program such as the one under coach Fulmer. Look at what they have got. GA has not NC under coach Richt or any other coach since Dooley in the 80's, Bama been in quite a drought since the Bear left and had coaches caught paying for prostitues.
Myers and Miles haven't coached nearly long enough for anyone to claim how great they will be in their total history. (All new cars run well in the begining)
For all the years as a head coach that Fulmer has not even Bowden at FSU or Joe Pa at PSU have as high a winning % as Fulmer.
Congrats Coach for keeping the Orange proud.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
13: Yes, the loss of Garner has hurt us big-time for years.
Posted by MillisaAnn on May 25, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I totally agree with voljkelley, we need change.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ga think R. Garner is the man. We'll see this fall. Sjt18 has said, perhaps correctly they have no quality receivers. We will find out if Kris Durham, Michael Moore, Israel Troupe, Taveres King and Massoqui can step up.
We will get a warm reception in Athens this fall.
Posted by Oenoboy on May 25, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yep,even the General was human...
1935 - 4W - 5L
1947 - 5W - 5L
1948 - 4W - 4L - 2T
Perfect Seasons? Just one in 1938 when we went 11-0.
Johnny Majors had four seasons at .500 or less.
Speaking of Johnny...
“Then there is the legion of the miserable, they will always be miserable” - Johnny Majors ‘92
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oneoboy: Then there's also the legion of the mediocre.
Posted by philfan on May 25, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Before becoming UT's head coach, the San Diego Chargers, Cleveland Browns and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers all came calling with offers to be an assistant coach in the NFL.
In the last 10 years, Fulmer said he's had opportunities and discussions about making the jump from college to the NFL.
This finally puts to rest the crazy accusations some Negative Nellies (or should I say liars) have made that no NFL team would ever want Fulmer to coach in the professional ranks. I suspected that Fulmer had been offered jobs in the NFL. Now it is fact, as I think Drew Edwards does his research for his articles carefully and dutifully.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
philfan: I, personally, never said that. But, hell, people hire Kevin O'Neill all the time.
Posted by txsvol on May 25, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
txvolsfan, Manu's ankle limits his mobility, but the basic reason that we blew a 20 point lead in Game 1 is that we're the gang that can't shoot straight! Besides, the Lakers have learned how to play defense. But, we're at home for the next two games, and as Rudy T once said, "Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion!" I'll be off in time to catch most of tonight's game. Go Spurs! SAVol
Posted by orangebloodgmc on May 25, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not bad, Coach Phil. Someone said trying to compare him to Paterno or Bowden ... did I hear that CPF has highest winning percentage of all active coaches with at least 10 yrs coaching?
Good 6:18 post, Oenoboy.
Posted by philfan on May 25, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol 13,
I understand that you really wanted Trooper Taylor to be the new offensive coordinator, because of his enthusiasm for the game and his spirit during the games. There is one fact you forgot to mention: he had absolutely no experience as an offensive coordinator. Fulmer would have been insane to have hired a person with no experience in this area. Also, I doubt Mike Hamilton would have approved the hire. Clawson is the man for the job. Just wait and see.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ 6:22- Legion of the mediocre, huh. A large army, some just don't realize they are in it.
Free TDTN.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PD: Invested in 3+ hrs. on Indy 500. 1.5 hrs. of caution flags. 412 commercials in yellows...that's when all the action happened..in the pits... Hope we're not in the pits in SoCal. oh well, on to Charlotte. Selah
Posted by IPOrange on May 25, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shoulda watched Mickelson in today's final round instead, TJ. What a finish!
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IP: Phil win?
Posted by IPOrange on May 25, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ - Yep. Made a shot out of the trees to within about 8 feet of the 18th hole, and made the birdie putt for a one stroke victory.
Posted by IPOrange on May 25, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ - here's Phil's shot of the day:
http://www.pgatour.com/video/?/video/...
If that link doesn't work, try pgatour.com - there's a link from there too.
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ, missed the Danica umfall, also, dang!
Pulling for E Jr at Charlotte. Believe he'll do better when T. Eury Jr is finally gone. Like others , he needs to sever that old link and move on. Finally has the equipment.
You need any more koolade in Boerne?
Posted by Vol13 on May 25, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pillfan:
I see you've been back in the pillbox again. Shame. Shame.
Since you failed reading comprehension, I'll spell this out for you.....all hypothetical, of course since my original theme (that you misquoted) was that Fulmer would have done absolutely nothing but whistle past the graveyard. Here's the deal....
Cutcliffe DOES NOT leave for Duke
Roper stays as RB Coach
Luke stays as TE Coach
Trooper stays? Who knows for sure. But please tell me how he was going to jump over Cutcliffe and be named OC. While you are at it, please point out in my original post where I said that "I wanted Trooper as OC." Man, and some of you talk about us getting worked up. LOL!!!
Meanwhile, zero coaching changes are made. And none of us have still never heard of Clawson.
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IP: Got it, thanks
PD: Danica was rightfully P.O.ed.
Like Jr. too. Was B.Labonte fan (like J. Gibbs)..never understood why B.L. went to that 43...has the 43, or 45 won in the last 20 years??
Posted by wheatbarley on May 25, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tngeoff
I haven't posted since last season regarding football. You will understand this. "Behind every great fortune, there is a crime."--Machiavelli "Et tu"--Caesar
Posted by IPOrange on May 25, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ - I just realized that the golf tourney was in your neck of the woods. You ever get a chance to go see the big boys play?
Posted by burntorangeVOLffle on May 25, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol13, what makes you think "no effort" was given to retain Trooper Taylor? Where you in on the the meetings he and Fulmer had?
Posted by tngeoff on May 25, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wheatbarley.
Welcome back and well spoken. Have a wonderful and safe Memorial Day! Gotta' roll!
Posted by pdhuff on May 25, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
tngeoff, got any used kevlar for sale?
Slightly scorched is ok!
Posted by ncvol on May 25, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It seems that everyone has an opinion about Coach.I ,for one, am a fan and have respect for you.Go Vols...
Posted by VOLS85 on May 25, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oenoboy,
you're forgetting that we are in a world today where instant championships are necessary, and the 5 guys on this site that hate fulmer expect a championship every other year. There will never be a way to please them, so we should just let them be to their miserable lives. Awesome information, but it's too bad that the 5 haters that feel compelled to post 10 times apiece about "Foolmore" in every article don't have any grasp on what patience is (it's a virtue, ps). The General wasn't perfect, Majors wasn't perfect, and lord knows the haters aren't perfect...
Thanks for that info, and keep it coming.
Thank you Fulmer for your constant support of our University!
GO VOLS, and I'll be at UCLA on Sept 1
Posted by GerryOP on May 25, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As the awards start piling up, the recipient should be aware that the end is near. I do not have a problem with Fulmer getting awards for what he has done. I do have a problem with him hanging around to continue the downward spiral.
Coach Fulmer has done a lot for UT, but life is a game of "What have you done lately." I do not see a reason to praise the guy for "righting the ship" after 2005. If he is the icon some of you folks think him to be, the ship should have never been in jeopardy of capsizing. Just like 145-68 for Cal, Florida, and Alabama in 2007 should never have happened.
Be well ya'all. If we make it through September......
Posted by TommyJack on May 25, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IP: I make the Valero in S.A. at least one day per year.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 4:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
jgvol8 said: "Doesn't this article make us all feel good about our chances this upcoming season. Urban and Saban own him. I've said it before and I'll say it again; our program has been spiraling downwards since the 2001 SEC championship game. 1999, our last BCS game. No SEC titles. What does this tell us?"
It tells us that you aren't balanced in your criticism. CPF hasn't beaten Meyer and hasn't done good enough against Saban. OTOH, recent history says that CPF "owns" Richt and Spurrier. If UT's program is spiraling downward what does that say about UGA?
Is it really indicative of "spiraling downward" to have won or shared the East in 3 of the 6 years since 2001?... and what does that tell us about the intent of your post?
FWIW, the program is NOT at the level we would all like to see and CPF should NOT be given an indefinite time to get it back there... regardless of how close he is to these various records.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 4:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Who (other than 99, McBrim, etc) would you say pulls against the Vols?? A simple question."
Simple answer: Anyone who harps so constantly on the negative and turns every discussion into an argument that publicly runs down the program and whether you like him or not... the program's HC.
A parent might have genuine affection for their child and truly want the best for them... but by being openly hyper-critical and negative all the time (with even a sincere hope of correcting the child) destroy the childs confidence and image with others.
Criticism is fine and often appropriate... but there isn't anything new to criticize right now. However we can count on many here to dredge up their tired old complaints.
Simple question to you: To what end do they do this?
It can't help the program nor will it result in anyone other than Phillip Fulmer being the 2008 Vol HC. It can only do harm to the program and its image.
If you disagree or think there's some positive result of the constant carping... I'm open to hearing it.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 4:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff a Jr fan... figures. If the boy could drive, he'd be the active leader in wins and would have multiple championships. The simple fact is that he's a lower tier driver with a name and a long history of having the best equipment available... and still can't win.
There is ONLY one reason to the question of why Jr can't win... HE CAN'T DRIVE WORTH A DIME.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 4:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Vol13, If Cut hadn't left... you'd still have an OC that had raised ppg production by almost a TD in just 2 years. A guy who had re-established discipline and execution in the O.... and a guy who definitely took some lemons and made lemonade. If the D over the past two years had been just avg for Chavis, UT would have won the SEC this year if not last as well.
Whether you like or hate CPF... Sander's performance as OC was a real problem and set the program back.
CPF's tolerance of Sanders is one of my main complaints. He may be repeating the same mistake with Chavis... I don't think he should survive if he does.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 5:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
burntorange... My suspicion is that UT didn't try to hard to retain Trooper and especially after some of the things he did after Cut's announcement.
How would Trooper have performed under a new OC when he wanted the job?
He was a good coach and recruiter but it was probably wise to not make concessions to keep him.
FWIW, many people who follow recruiting closely think that the new coaches will be better recruiters on whole and that Scott will likely be better than Trooper.
Posted by pdhuff on May 26, 2008 at 6:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt18- I was a Dale, Sr fan and you are right. He's not cut from the same cloth. Third in points, great style and likeable.
Sound familar! Should, just the same as your hero, Phillip. You more than offset our stabs at realism by comparing Phil's results to a parents "genuine affection" (??). Daily!
"Help the program"!! What would help this program is fresh blood and new creative thinking to invigorate a stale staff. Family! Funny how you never mention nine years of no SEC crowns. How many changes where made to a D- staff which produced a 11th place finish?
What has this family netted us lately? A self-serving attempt to pass Neyland! At who's expense? 7-5 and 8-4 years forever.
Well, you stay your course. You can make BBQ by burning a house down with a pig in it, but times have changed. Losing record vs 7 coaches. Hello!
At most places this would be noticed.......
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You aren't stabbing at realism. You are spouting cynicism. You know full well that I've criticized Fulmer... and I'd argue in more objective and credible terms than you have. Carping like many do isn't realism or anything like it.
"Funny how you never mention nine years of no SEC crowns."
Yes I have. Plus I've acknowledged it when others have said it numerous times. I've said repeatedly that it wasn't acceptable and even stated what I believe got UT to this point... and blamed it all on Fulmer's lack of leadership. Why is it that you are so desperate to paint anyone who rejects abject hopelessness as an unrealistic "kool-aid" drinker?
How many times do I have to say that he should be on a short leash that runs out when he either plateaus or backslides at any point short of a championship?
I would have replaced Chavis awhile ago. Again another honest criticism... I've never liked his style of play. CPF rightly or wrongly has bet his career on the notion that the last two years are aberrations and not a trend for Chavis... I'm not too sure.
If CPF tries to hang on with 7 and 8 win seasons to pass Neyland, I think Neyland ought to make a come back threat a la Jim Brown...
Saban has been at Bama one year. CPF has positive trends against Spurrier and Richt. He has what maybe 3 meetings against Tuberville at Auburn... and two of them against their best team ever? Yes at most places it would be noticed... then the objective realists would look in depth rather than just superficially.
The ONLY one of those coaches that a losing record against is of great importance is Meyer. CPF has and can beat the rest. He has more or less dominated two of the lately. Only Meyer stands out in that crowd.
Posted by sjt18 on May 26, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FWIW, in 15 years Fulmer has lost 5 or more games just twice. In the same period he's won 10 or more 9 times...
There is nothing right now to indicate that UT is headed for 8-4 or 7-5 seasons "forever".
Oh, another thing that would be noticed at "most places" is spoiled, perpetually carping fans... especially at places that have taken a ride on the coaching carousel. In "most places" they would recognize the damage such behavior can cause to the program's image and thus recruiting...
Posted by movol77 on May 26, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations Coach!!! You make this Vol fan proud!
Posted by khelton657 on May 26, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Fulmer has done several good things an many mediocre things for a long time. This aricle sounds like listening to a used car salesman " and if I had passed organic chemistry, I would be a brain surgeon now", Fulmer talkingto someone in the NFL doesn't mean he had any offers and certainly doesn't mean he would have been successful. It reads like we should be thankful that he did not go to the NFl, sacrificed himself for us. It's a sales job and I don't feel sorry for him. For $2,000,000 a year, he shoud earn it, not tell us what he could have done in another life. Everyone has those stories.
Posted by Mansonlamps on May 26, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nine years of futility
3-4 vs. Richt
0-3 vs. Meyer
1-3 vs. Saban
1-2 vs. Miles
1-3 vs. Tubs
0 SEC titles
3-7 in the post season
How could anybody who calls himself a UT fan (as opposed to a Fulmer fan, there is a difference) be satisfied with this horrible performance and heap praise on this coach who seems to be hanging on for no other reason than to pass John Vaught? (and lots of $$$)
Posted by tngeoff on May 26, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff.
It's on its way to you. Excellent condition. One point...it cracks me up to hear the pro Fulmer (I see nothing! - ala Sgt. Schultz) claiming that folks who see the attempted hocus pocus as a myth as being constantly negative. Yet...their rehashing of their blind and defenseless arguments are perfectly legitimate. Example: 10 win season. What is the relavance of a ten win season? Is it 10 - 1? That would be good. Is it 10 -4? That means nearly one loss for every two wins. Also, if we still counted ties we would have been 8-4-2 Is that good? How about having to score 16 in theo fourth to beat Vandy by one? I unno'/ I must be confused. This negative shape shifting thing is so confsuing. Someone tries to shove fecal or scatalogical matter down my throat and tells me its steak and I'm supposed to take a bite and smile. Kevlar indeed.
Now for the real purpose of today: God Bless the troops and have Mercy on all those who gave thei all.
Posted by pdhuff on May 26, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sjt18- Does zero titles in nine years look better in "depth" than in reality?
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
PD & Geoff ego strokers! lol
sjt18, sleep deprived and it's beginning to show!
Posted by rockytopron on May 26, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one, am glad Coach Phil Fulmer is our head coach and absolutely hope he coaches for years to come. Win or lose, he is a class act and I support him 100%!
Go Vols!
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mansonlamps 9:22: Enough already with facts.
Posted by volboy81 on May 26, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations, Coach. You deserve it. True Vol fans realize and appreciate what all youve done and what youve sacrificed the last 28 years to help UT be one of the best and most well-respected football programs in the country.
Keep up the good work. I hope you pass the Bear!
Posted by jgvol8 on May 26, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How many championships will "class act" win us? Also, how many player arrests will it take to win us a championship?
Posted by tngeoff on May 26, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I highly recommend everyone go back and read vols72 posts. Just click on his screen anme and go read. It is a true journey to enlightenment.
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TD: Did you get expunged again?
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Geoff: Classy guy
Posted by pdhuff on May 26, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
vol72-Easy-just stay calm, your 750 gallons of orange koolade should be there soon.
Think for yourself and allow others the privilege to do so, too.
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
vols85 10:29p
Please name the dreaded hating 5.
Posted by brokebackvol on May 26, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay, so this piece of fluff could have been written by the UT SID. No negatives.
No denying CPF has done the best job since Neyland *overall* during his career at UTK. Won't make him a legend anywhere besides Tennessee, but that is ok. He's laid a few eggs, but provided a lot of good memories from special wins and seasons.
You've done very well, Coach.
Posted by GerryOP on May 26, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pdhuff, you simply need to offer more constructive criticism. Follow sjt's lead: "I would have replaced Chavis awhile ago. Again another honest criticism..." Whereas your: "What has this family netted us lately? A self-serving attempt to pass Neyland!" is not constructive. Do you see the difference? Maybe if you simply add "Again another honest criticism..." after every critique?
Of course, then we have the tired old strawman: "Oh, another thing that would be noticed at "most places" is spoiled, perpetually carping fans... especially at places that have taken a ride on the coaching carousel. In "most places" they would recognize the damage such behavior can cause to the program's image and thus recruiting..."
This is the one I really laugh at! As if anything said here means anything to anyone --- except to the ego of the poster!
And, tngeoff, your argument of: "Example: 10 win season. What is the relavance of a ten win season? Is it 10 - 1? That would be good. Is it 10 -4?" shows again your irrational thinking! Dadgumit, 10 wins is 10 wins is 10 wins, no matter how many games were played. Even with the almost snatch defeat from the jaws of victories against those SEC powerhouses USC, UK, Vandy and Big 10 (11?) also ran WI. And of course, 145-68 against Cal, Alabama, and Florida were just "off days" for our mighty Vols! 10 wins is 10 wins. And don't forget, we were the highest ranked 4 loss team last year. Yippee!!!
IMO, the title of this article says it all -- "Fulmer: Tribute to longevity." You can't deny he has been here a long time. Let's just hope that this is the year that he collects his awards and tributes -- and then rides off into the sunset.
If we make it through September....
Posted by TommyJack on May 26, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well now, GerryOP...if you're not a hater, then I've never seen one. lol
Posted by tngeoff on May 26, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hard to repudiate his words with anything that has any close proximity to truth. The only possible argument...mythology! Very well spoken.
Posted by tngeoff on May 26, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No.
Posted by GerryOP on May 26, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TJ, I really prefer the label naysayer or downward spiraler ... or maybe True Vol Fan ... whatever... ;>}
If we make it through September....