Adams: Stakes shrink in Spurrier, Fulmer battle

COLUMBIA, S.C. - The Phillip Fulmer-Steve Spurrier rivalry goes back to the early 1990s, but you wouldn't recognize Saturday's matchup by what's at stake.

Beating Spurrier once led to a national championship for Fulmer and Tennessee. Now, it's probably not enough to save the UT coach's job.

Beating Fulmer was once the first big step toward a conference championship when Spurrier and his Florida Gators were having their way with the SEC in the 1990s. A decade later at South Carolina, it merely would be a baby step forward for a program that has never won so much as a divisional title.

"We're trying to finish in the first half of the Eastern Division," Spurrier said Tuesday.

In a best-case scenario, UT also could finish third in the East. But such a goal is best left unstated at UT, just as it would have been for Spurrier at Florida, where anything short of a championship was a disappointment.

South Carolina fans have no such expectations. They can appreciate winning seasons, bowl bids, and occasional upsets of SEC powers.

Spurrier has given them that. What he has achieved doesn't turn heads, for an obvious reason. This is a guy who won a conference championship at Duke of all places, then dominated the SEC like no coach since Bear Bryant. Coaching up to his own reputation is as difficult as chasing down Florida and Georgia in the SEC East.

But forget what Spurrier did elsewhere. Focus on what he has done at South Carolina.

The Gamecocks (5-3) are a victory away from a fourth consecutive non-losing season for the first time in 18 years. They're in the running for a third bowl game in four years. In their previous 111 years of football, they played in 11 bowl games.

Spurrier also has made inroads against Florida, Georgia and UT.

After joining the SEC in 1992, South Carolina was 0-13 against Florida until Spurrier arrived. He beat the Gators in his first year at South Carolina and lost to them by only one point during their national championship season.

In four games against Georgia, Spurrier is 1-3 at South Carolina, but two of those losses were by a total of nine points.

South Carolina upset UT in its first season in the SEC, then lost 12 consecutive games in the series until Spurrier arrived. His first South Carolina team beat the Vols at Neyland Stadium, and his other two teams have lost by a combined 10 points, including last year in overtime.

Fulmer's recent failure against the best programs in the SEC is one of the reasons he's on the verge of losing his job. In the last four seasons, UT is 4-11 against Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia and LSU.

But since Spurrier rejoined the league, UT is also losing ground to South Carolina.

From 2005 through this season, UT is 27-19. South Carolina is 26-19.

Contrast that with the four-year period before Spurrier. From 2001 through 2004, UT was 39-13 and South Carolina was 25-21.

Now, the longtime-underdog Gamecocks are a six-point favorite against UT. What does that tell you about the Fulmer-Spurrier rivalry?

The stakes might have changed, but the favorite hasn't.

Sports editor John Adams may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com.

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tnbigg writes:

Shrinkage? Indeed...

trace5254 writes:

I agree that it is time for Fulmer to go...in today's SEC he is just not in the upper tier of coaches. However, don't be surprised if you can't get a "big name, previously successful" coach like Butch Davis or even an up and comer like Muschamp.

UT may not be the destination site UT fans think it is (after all many think of basketball when they think of UT) and competing against the Tide (and others) may make it very difficult...as this article explains:

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamne...

us43137415#376444 writes:

Glad you're thinking big, but Tennessee would never land a coach with that many credentials..
It's all about money...

They'll pay 6 million dollars to end the relationship, then, they would have to pay "X" millions of dollars to buy out the contract of another coach somewhere else to get them to Tennessee, PLUS the contracts of all of Fulmer's associate coaches that would either go with him, or renegotiate with the new coach..

You're easily looking at just a buyout ALONE of close to 10 million dollars over the next few years..

And then, what they would end up doing, is hiring the head coach at Georgia Southern, or Southern Mississippi, or UAB, or some lower-tier school, because they simply cannot afford the marquis coaches, whose schools are not going to want to let them go.

The best example of that was, all of these great college baseball coaches with great programs out there when Tennessee fired Rod Delmonico, and they settled for Todd Raleigh next door at Western Carolina. Not to say, he's not any good (not proven yet), but potential players always follow names, and we did not hire one.

Right now, Tennessee is better off keeping Fulmer until he works some of that contract off, but putting out feelers NOW.

givehim6 writes:

We use to comppete with UAG, bama, LSU, and play close enough to makr UF nervers. Now thoese guys blow us away. Only thing we have now is the win streek agianst UK we almost lost it last year, lest keep it safe Vols.

HonoluluVol writes:

We're looking at a very possible 4-8 season. Counting on the Wyoming win, the rest won't be so easy. Even if we beat South Carolina, losses to Vandy and Kentucky will seal Jelly Belly's fate. Thus, our streak over Kentucky will more than likely be snapped this year. With that said, it's a RAP for FOOLmer and his Belly. Go Vols, beat the socks off the GameCocks.

graphpro#231211 writes:

How about Kentucky beating UT here in Knoxville. Randy Sanders will have the last laugh starting his Freshman Alcoa native quarterback that Tennessee didn't recruit.... Randall Cobb.

How is it possible that UT has Austin Rogers on scholarship. A short white guy with average speed and no hands. But yet they don't offer Randall Cobb a scholarship. He's bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. He might even be the most athletic receiver we would have if he were here.

We have nothing but short slow "smirf" receivers.

graphpro#231211 writes:

Oh and another thing. How is it possible that in 2 of the past 4 seasons we've had a 3rd string reject from LSU as quarterback. And know a kid that has only 1 years experience in high school. Special quarterbacks are groomed from childhood (aka Peyton and Eli Manning)
How can our coaching staff not be more accountable for where they've taken the talent.

blitzshoot writes:

Like watching two old turtles race...nuff already.

blitzshoot writes:

in response to gatorzz:

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gatorzz....he can now use
"the turlet bowl."

hooverd283#563729 writes:

You know HonoluluVol if Coach Fulmer recruited you and through the years you became fat,slow and couldn't play a lick of football, you could bet your life on the fact he would not refer to you as a slow,fat,sissy who couldn't play anymore on any websight. What does it accomplish to refer to another as Jelly belly and Foolmer. The university and Coach Fulmer will do what's best for UT. He does deserve our respect regardless of what happens. Think about it before you hit the "post" button

ect1983 writes:

in response to us43137415#376444:

Glad you're thinking big, but Tennessee would never land a coach with that many credentials..
It's all about money...

They'll pay 6 million dollars to end the relationship, then, they would have to pay "X" millions of dollars to buy out the contract of another coach somewhere else to get them to Tennessee, PLUS the contracts of all of Fulmer's associate coaches that would either go with him, or renegotiate with the new coach..

You're easily looking at just a buyout ALONE of close to 10 million dollars over the next few years..

And then, what they would end up doing, is hiring the head coach at Georgia Southern, or Southern Mississippi, or UAB, or some lower-tier school, because they simply cannot afford the marquis coaches, whose schools are not going to want to let them go.

The best example of that was, all of these great college baseball coaches with great programs out there when Tennessee fired Rod Delmonico, and they settled for Todd Raleigh next door at Western Carolina. Not to say, he's not any good (not proven yet), but potential players always follow names, and we did not hire one.

Right now, Tennessee is better off keeping Fulmer until he works some of that contract off, but putting out feelers NOW.

Either your name is Fulmer or you are a rep of the rest of the SEC praying Phil is retained......Tennessee most definitely is NOT better off keeping Phil; empty seats tell the story

ect1983 writes:

in response to us43137415#376444:

Glad you're thinking big, but Tennessee would never land a coach with that many credentials..
It's all about money...

They'll pay 6 million dollars to end the relationship, then, they would have to pay "X" millions of dollars to buy out the contract of another coach somewhere else to get them to Tennessee, PLUS the contracts of all of Fulmer's associate coaches that would either go with him, or renegotiate with the new coach..

You're easily looking at just a buyout ALONE of close to 10 million dollars over the next few years..

And then, what they would end up doing, is hiring the head coach at Georgia Southern, or Southern Mississippi, or UAB, or some lower-tier school, because they simply cannot afford the marquis coaches, whose schools are not going to want to let them go.

The best example of that was, all of these great college baseball coaches with great programs out there when Tennessee fired Rod Delmonico, and they settled for Todd Raleigh next door at Western Carolina. Not to say, he's not any good (not proven yet), but potential players always follow names, and we did not hire one.

Right now, Tennessee is better off keeping Fulmer until he works some of that contract off, but putting out feelers NOW.

PS....the word is marquee.....not marquis

CoverOrange writes:

graphpro, to answer your first question, the first season was a result of injuries, the second season was a result of the 1st stringer thinking he could just roll his helmut on the field and win the job.

The second answer is a result of the demise of Randy Sanders and announcing the hiring of Cutcliffe for only two years. What superstar QB was going to look here not knowing where his mentor would be a short time later?

blitzshoot writes:

in response to HonoluluVol:

We're looking at a very possible 4-8 season. Counting on the Wyoming win, the rest won't be so easy. Even if we beat South Carolina, losses to Vandy and Kentucky will seal Jelly Belly's fate. Thus, our streak over Kentucky will more than likely be snapped this year. With that said, it's a RAP for FOOLmer and his Belly. Go Vols, beat the socks off the GameCocks.

Go to bed Phillip. And its website.

gavol2572 writes:

"How is it possible that UT has Austin Rogers on scholarship. A short white guy with average speed and no hands."

Why do some people, when complaining about someone's performance, always bring up the race factor, ESPECIALLY if that athelete is white. If it were anti black remarks the whole world would be up in arms ready to protest, rally, or march to Washington.

ncvol writes:

Let's beat those Gamecocks...Go Vols!

TheMagician writes:

"From 2005 through this season, UT is 27-19. South Carolina is 26-19."

Hmmm....look at the difference in talent the two have had.

poof!

geniuspearl writes:

in response to gatorzz:

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But you can spell "bowl game" without UT.

TheVolMan writes:

It's a sad state of affairs...

newtonrail writes:

in response to givehim6:

We use to comppete with UAG, bama, LSU, and play close enough to makr UF nervers. Now thoese guys blow us away. Only thing we have now is the win streek agianst UK we almost lost it last year, lest keep it safe Vols.

Put the Jack up before you start typing. That's hard on my old eyes.

newtonrail writes:

in response to graphpro#231211:

How about Kentucky beating UT here in Knoxville. Randy Sanders will have the last laugh starting his Freshman Alcoa native quarterback that Tennessee didn't recruit.... Randall Cobb.

How is it possible that UT has Austin Rogers on scholarship. A short white guy with average speed and no hands. But yet they don't offer Randall Cobb a scholarship. He's bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. He might even be the most athletic receiver we would have if he were here.

We have nothing but short slow "smirf" receivers.

He was offered as WR. Ky promised him a chance to play QB.

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

in response to hooverd283#563729:

You know HonoluluVol if Coach Fulmer recruited you and through the years you became fat,slow and couldn't play a lick of football, you could bet your life on the fact he would not refer to you as a slow,fat,sissy who couldn't play anymore on any websight. What does it accomplish to refer to another as Jelly belly and Foolmer. The university and Coach Fulmer will do what's best for UT. He does deserve our respect regardless of what happens. Think about it before you hit the "post" button

Have you noticed over and over and over again, how the people who take up for Coach Fulmer are more litterate, well articulate, polite, and poised??? Why is this?? Will the next coach be more like the Fulmer haters than the Fulmer lovers??? Great post! Keep it up guys, we will win out over the people who hate UT football.

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

in response to VOLstuckINky:

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What were you doing the night we won the National Championship? You were very dramatic in your post. And you like to call people names. And yet you believe in dignity. Cobb could have come to UT if he wanted to. He's probably like you, just doesn't like the big Orange enough to sacrifice his life for it. Like Fulmer's doing according to your own words. At least he cares enough to bleed for us. Something you are too scared to do. Go home and come back when you grow up!!!!

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

in response to newtonrail:

He was offered as WR. Ky promised him a chance to play QB.

I thought that all of your atheists hated Randy Sanders as much as Coach Fulmer, if not more. didn't you guys call for his scalp over and over and over and over again. So what will you say in four years? Coach Fulmer will come to Knoxville with some team seeking revenge with some so and so????? Your people should at least be more consistent.

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

in response to TheMagician:

"From 2005 through this season, UT is 27-19. South Carolina is 26-19."

Hmmm....look at the difference in talent the two have had.

poof!

Very Bright, Bright Eyes, who are you Merlin? If winning is so important to you, what is a loser like you posing as a winner???

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

in response to ect1983:

Either your name is Fulmer or you are a rep of the rest of the SEC praying Phil is retained......Tennessee most definitely is NOT better off keeping Phil; empty seats tell the story

This is a good sound post. The quoter below though, brings up this empty seats deal? Nothing like pushing the panic button. Just like the cowards who want us to get out of Iraq and like the cowards i went to school with who were scared to go to Vietnam and fight for their country's freedom. To this day, Richard Nixon's watergate is their greatest moment. All of the empty seats will be filled with beloved, beliefing fans, let the cowards leave the stadium and wish them God speed.

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

Are you having fun yet, John? Just like the liberal Democrats wanting us to lose the war in Iraq, so that they can stay in power. Is that you John? Now it's definitely not popular to take up for Coach Fulmer , is it? Not with so much noise for his demise as our coach. What will our record be next year , John , if Coach Fulmer comes back? And what if we recruit 2 great quarterbacks, and a couple of great flankers? What will Fulmer's record be in two years? And if then, will he win another Championship in 3? WELL, Mr. Genius and PROGNOSTICATOR!!!!!!!!!!!

WeLoveTennesseeVols writes:

You know, people, I really , truely , like playing Steve Spurrier. The memories, the passion, of the games we played against him throughout the years. The way we beat him in 2001, after 9 11, and drove him out of Gatorland(put a stake though his heart, when they were going, they thought, to play for another National Championship. That's was the sweetest payback for losing to them all of those times. It was great. And the pass the ref called a TD? And all of those poop Danny Werfuel passes where those guys would just run under the ball. Crazy, just crazy. And Peyton trying to beat him , time, after time, after time. And Peyton coming back to play for us one more time. God bless him for that! And how Nash dropped that one pass on the goal line, and then the interception for a TD on the next play. Great games, could have gone either way with a big play or two. And just recently when Mapu's hand hit the guy on the helmet and we had our interception called back. Tennessee fans love Tennessee football. Let the stands get empty and then let real fans fill them up again. Come to Tennessee men and women and play for us, we welcome you with open arms. As for you, John Adams, see a Doctor!

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to VOLstuckINky:

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No one can understand his drunken drivel. WELOVE, get professional help.

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to WeLoveTennesseeVols:

Very Bright, Bright Eyes, who are you Merlin? If winning is so important to you, what is a loser like you posing as a winner???

You would be the loser, along with your mediocre friend, The great pumpkin. I bet you will be in the pumpkin patch on Halloween waiting on fat Phil to rescue you

rocky_topper writes:

Playing for third in the east? My how our goals have diminished over the past few years! If somehow we can finish third, should we go for the goal posts or just sit in our seats? Just wondering how us once-proud-ut-fans should handle this achievement. Please advise!

TheMagician writes:

in response to WeLoveTennesseeVols:

Very Bright, Bright Eyes, who are you Merlin? If winning is so important to you, what is a loser like you posing as a winner???

Grow up! Have you NO pride? Get a life and stop calling people names.

You really should seek professional help...

BobbyGraham writes:

We love talks about being literate and can't even spell the word right.

joshuataber#650687 writes:

in response to us43137415#376444:

Glad you're thinking big, but Tennessee would never land a coach with that many credentials..
It's all about money...

They'll pay 6 million dollars to end the relationship, then, they would have to pay "X" millions of dollars to buy out the contract of another coach somewhere else to get them to Tennessee, PLUS the contracts of all of Fulmer's associate coaches that would either go with him, or renegotiate with the new coach..

You're easily looking at just a buyout ALONE of close to 10 million dollars over the next few years..

And then, what they would end up doing, is hiring the head coach at Georgia Southern, or Southern Mississippi, or UAB, or some lower-tier school, because they simply cannot afford the marquis coaches, whose schools are not going to want to let them go.

The best example of that was, all of these great college baseball coaches with great programs out there when Tennessee fired Rod Delmonico, and they settled for Todd Raleigh next door at Western Carolina. Not to say, he's not any good (not proven yet), but potential players always follow names, and we did not hire one.

Right now, Tennessee is better off keeping Fulmer until he works some of that contract off, but putting out feelers NOW.

Are you nuts? You need to go back and read the interview with Mike Hamilton. He states that Tennessee does not have to worry about money when they go looking for a head coach. We have some of the best facilities in the college football nation. We are a school that has a national fan base and our name recruits itself. As for hiring a UAB or Southern Miss coach, you might want to look at their records. Tennessee is a great job and other than the Auburn job possibly coming open at the end of the year, Tennessee will be one of the top jobs out there. You need to evaluate YOUR loyalty.

leedsvol2007 writes:

in response to graphpro#231211:

Oh and another thing. How is it possible that in 2 of the past 4 seasons we've had a 3rd string reject from LSU as quarterback. And know a kid that has only 1 years experience in high school. Special quarterbacks are groomed from childhood (aka Peyton and Eli Manning)
How can our coaching staff not be more accountable for where they've taken the talent.

Stephens is a "reject" from LSU?

For your information he was heavily courted by Michigan a school with a pretty good track record for quarterbacks like Tom Brady, Brian Griese,Chad Henne et al.

He was recruited by Ole Miss and Noel Mazzone whom he developed a close relationship with. When Mazzone and Odgeron parted company he looked again and liked UT.

Jonathan Crompton was listed as one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the US his senior year. In fact when he was signed the buzz was he would immediately challenge Ainge and Schaeffer for the starting position. From all press reports he was impressive in practice.

He bombed and Stephens had to be played before he was fully ready.

This staff since Peyton has brought in Tee Martin, Casey Clausen and Eric Ainge. All of these guys have had at least a cup of coffee on NFL rosters which testifies to their talent.

Manning like a Wuerffel at Florida,Condredge Hollloway for us, a Namath at Alabama, or a Cutler at Vanderbilt do not come along often in a program.

Rick Clausen played because Ainge and Schaeffer were injured and when Ainge had his sophomore slump.

And one more thing, Jay Barker of Alabama played only one year of quarterback in High School and had not played the position prior to his senior year. Alabama beat us 4 years in a row with him and he played with the Patriots in the NFL.

Even in this "mediocre" decade this staff has been to 3 SEC championship games and won 10 games 4 of 8 years.

GoVols!

CrankE writes:

Okay, I read the article with Jimmy Sexton talking to the reporter. Consider the source.

Sexton's salary is in large part derived from the coaches he represents. So isn't to Sexton's disadvantage if Tuberville and Fulmer get fired? Two streams of revenue for him come to a stop. So Sexton floats this idea in the press-a warning to the A.D.s, "You better think twice, good coaches are scared to come to the SEC." (Then someone please explain to me why Saban, Miles, Meyer, Petrino and Richt came to the SEC from other leagues. That's 6 SEC titles, and 3 national titles since 2001 if anyone's counting.)

If those schools hire a new coach that Sexton doesn't personally represent, then he loses again.

Finally, his remaining clientele-those coaches who are secure in their jobs; The last thing they want to see is for their competition get tougher. (I guess that explains those "Gators for Fulmer" T-shirts.) That could mean fewer wins for them, less years and dollars on the contract extensions, fewer bonuses, and less money for Sexton too.

So Sexton in this "news" article is trying to help his embattled clients, his secure clients, and prevent loss of revenue to himself.

Did I miss anything?

pdhuff#552644 writes:

in response to CrankE:

Okay, I read the article with Jimmy Sexton talking to the reporter. Consider the source.

Sexton's salary is in large part derived from the coaches he represents. So isn't to Sexton's disadvantage if Tuberville and Fulmer get fired? Two streams of revenue for him come to a stop. So Sexton floats this idea in the press-a warning to the A.D.s, "You better think twice, good coaches are scared to come to the SEC." (Then someone please explain to me why Saban, Miles, Meyer, Petrino and Richt came to the SEC from other leagues. That's 6 SEC titles, and 3 national titles since 2001 if anyone's counting.)

If those schools hire a new coach that Sexton doesn't personally represent, then he loses again.

Finally, his remaining clientele-those coaches who are secure in their jobs; The last thing they want to see is for their competition get tougher. (I guess that explains those "Gators for Fulmer" T-shirts.) That could mean fewer wins for them, less years and dollars on the contract extensions, fewer bonuses, and less money for Sexton too.

So Sexton in this "news" article is trying to help his embattled clients, his secure clients, and prevent loss of revenue to himself.

Did I miss anything?

No.

Perhaps Phillip could spread a little blame on Sexton for causing him to be "baffled".

We simply go to war each Saturday with the smaller sticks Phil has recruited.

wyomingvol writes:

Sadly, I don't think it is the quality of talent,

For the last 10 years, other than Cutcliffe's brief return, it has been not making the talent much better once they got to school.

I do respect coach fulmer, but the record vs. the top 25 and a terrible home record vs. the top 10 the last 6 years tells the whole story.

Sorry coach. Happy trails.

Oh, and a coach's agent shouldn't be one take advise from when considering hiring and firing......

TommyJack writes:

in response to wyomingvol:

Sadly, I don't think it is the quality of talent,

For the last 10 years, other than Cutcliffe's brief return, it has been not making the talent much better once they got to school.

I do respect coach fulmer, but the record vs. the top 25 and a terrible home record vs. the top 10 the last 6 years tells the whole story.

Sorry coach. Happy trails.

Oh, and a coach's agent shouldn't be one take advise from when considering hiring and firing......

Mr. Freely: Sadly, it's both.

SemperVol writes:

The stakes shrink....the bellies don't

invisiblekid writes:

in response to CrankE:

Okay, I read the article with Jimmy Sexton talking to the reporter. Consider the source.

Sexton's salary is in large part derived from the coaches he represents. So isn't to Sexton's disadvantage if Tuberville and Fulmer get fired? Two streams of revenue for him come to a stop. So Sexton floats this idea in the press-a warning to the A.D.s, "You better think twice, good coaches are scared to come to the SEC." (Then someone please explain to me why Saban, Miles, Meyer, Petrino and Richt came to the SEC from other leagues. That's 6 SEC titles, and 3 national titles since 2001 if anyone's counting.)

If those schools hire a new coach that Sexton doesn't personally represent, then he loses again.

Finally, his remaining clientele-those coaches who are secure in their jobs; The last thing they want to see is for their competition get tougher. (I guess that explains those "Gators for Fulmer" T-shirts.) That could mean fewer wins for them, less years and dollars on the contract extensions, fewer bonuses, and less money for Sexton too.

So Sexton in this "news" article is trying to help his embattled clients, his secure clients, and prevent loss of revenue to himself.

Did I miss anything?

Sounds reasonable to me. Sexton, nor anyone else, can convince me that UT wouldn't have a number of strong candidates available if and when the need arises.

PaulTheVol writes:

Anyone who thinks that UT couldn't attract a top flight coach needs to get a grip. First, the ego of the top coaches is such that they believe they can succeed anywhere so any challenge UT has (vs. other schools) would not scare them off. I live in Atlanta and Richt is always complaining about his facilities vs. Tennessee's (indoor practice facility, etc).

Second, there is no way UT would buy out Fulmer and his staff and then short change a new staff. The guys pulling the strings behind the scene didn't get to be rich and successful by being stupid and shortsighted. When they analyze a coaching change they don't just look at buyout cost, they look at the overall strategic impact of the change both short-term and long-term in terms of cash flow, attendance, fund raising, recruiting, etc.

If Fulmer is let go, Hamilton knows his job could be on the line with this next hire. You can bet that he will ensure that the next coach is positioned to succeed before he releases the current coach.

Madkels writes:

in response to CrankE:

Okay, I read the article with Jimmy Sexton talking to the reporter. Consider the source.

Sexton's salary is in large part derived from the coaches he represents. So isn't to Sexton's disadvantage if Tuberville and Fulmer get fired? Two streams of revenue for him come to a stop. So Sexton floats this idea in the press-a warning to the A.D.s, "You better think twice, good coaches are scared to come to the SEC." (Then someone please explain to me why Saban, Miles, Meyer, Petrino and Richt came to the SEC from other leagues. That's 6 SEC titles, and 3 national titles since 2001 if anyone's counting.)

If those schools hire a new coach that Sexton doesn't personally represent, then he loses again.

Finally, his remaining clientele-those coaches who are secure in their jobs; The last thing they want to see is for their competition get tougher. (I guess that explains those "Gators for Fulmer" T-shirts.) That could mean fewer wins for them, less years and dollars on the contract extensions, fewer bonuses, and less money for Sexton too.

So Sexton in this "news" article is trying to help his embattled clients, his secure clients, and prevent loss of revenue to himself.

Did I miss anything?

Good points. You could add that it is only Sexton's OPINION! He admitted in the article he was WRONG about Southern Cal so could he be wrong here too?

Good coaches have ego's. So good coaches will want the competition the SEC brings and want to prove themselves.

ORANGEAVENGER88 writes:

in response to us43137415#376444:

Glad you're thinking big, but Tennessee would never land a coach with that many credentials..
It's all about money...

They'll pay 6 million dollars to end the relationship, then, they would have to pay "X" millions of dollars to buy out the contract of another coach somewhere else to get them to Tennessee, PLUS the contracts of all of Fulmer's associate coaches that would either go with him, or renegotiate with the new coach..

You're easily looking at just a buyout ALONE of close to 10 million dollars over the next few years..

And then, what they would end up doing, is hiring the head coach at Georgia Southern, or Southern Mississippi, or UAB, or some lower-tier school, because they simply cannot afford the marquis coaches, whose schools are not going to want to let them go.

The best example of that was, all of these great college baseball coaches with great programs out there when Tennessee fired Rod Delmonico, and they settled for Todd Raleigh next door at Western Carolina. Not to say, he's not any good (not proven yet), but potential players always follow names, and we did not hire one.

Right now, Tennessee is better off keeping Fulmer until he works some of that contract off, but putting out feelers NOW.

You are way off base here. First of all they have the new ESPN TV deal worth $15 million per year. They also have $7.5 million in reserve for making a coaching change. They DO NOT have to go to a "lower tier school" like Southern Miss or UAB. They can throw $5 million or more for 5 or 6 years out there to the best coaches, like Bill Cowher, Pete Carroll, Butch Davis, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, heck even Spurrier or Saban. UT CAN afford a new top notch coach who can come in and make an immediate impact and get this thing going again within a couple of years.

pdhuff#552644 writes:

in response to SemperVol:

The stakes shrink....the bellies don't

Good 'ern.

I can identify with that comparison.

indianacurly writes:

in response to jcvet:

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wltv definitely believes what he is spewing ... unfortunately for him, he is the lone believer

ect1983 writes:

in response to WeLoveTennesseeVols:

This is a good sound post. The quoter below though, brings up this empty seats deal? Nothing like pushing the panic button. Just like the cowards who want us to get out of Iraq and like the cowards i went to school with who were scared to go to Vietnam and fight for their country's freedom. To this day, Richard Nixon's watergate is their greatest moment. All of the empty seats will be filled with beloved, beliefing fans, let the cowards leave the stadium and wish them God speed.

...beliefing ?

ect1983 writes:

in response to WeLoveTennesseeVols:

This is a good sound post. The quoter below though, brings up this empty seats deal? Nothing like pushing the panic button. Just like the cowards who want us to get out of Iraq and like the cowards i went to school with who were scared to go to Vietnam and fight for their country's freedom. To this day, Richard Nixon's watergate is their greatest moment. All of the empty seats will be filled with beloved, beliefing fans, let the cowards leave the stadium and wish them God speed.

Your Mother should sue the Obstetrician who delivered you

Colliervol writes:

in response to jcvet:

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I just thought he/she had been drinking early again. Wonder what he/she will come up with when the axe drops for good. That should be a rant worth seeing.

Colliervol writes:

in response to ect1983:

...beliefing ?

That's that literacy that he was bragging about before.

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