The heat is ratcheting up in East Tennessee and I'm not talking about the seat in Phillip Fulmer's office. I'm talking about the tempers of the pro-coach and pro-change crowds.
Whether the University of Tennessee decides to make a coaching change at the end of this season or not, the wait to find out what IS going to happen will be brutal for everyone concerned.
Which is why I think it's important to try to keep this whole situation in perspective. Sports anchors and writers across America are talking about Fulmer's job security. Battle lines have been drawn locally.
But understanding what "the other guy" is thinking might help to at least calm some of the arguments.
Put yourself in the shoes of Phillip Fulmer.
You've won 150 games and are within striking distance of Robert Neyland's all-time school win mark. You've won a national championship and two SEC titles. You've reached the league championship game three other times, including last year.
You know that you know how to win football games. You've done it for years. You've just hit a little snag. You've had some bad bounces go against you.
You've been loyal to the university and you feel you deserve a chance to turn things around. Look at what Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are doing this year.
You've got a core group of assistant coaches who've been loyal to you as well. You know that their tails are on the firing line, right alongside yours.
And it's not easy for anyone in any business to ever say, "I don't think I can do this anymore." Competitors don't think that way.
Put yourself in the shoes of Mike Hamilton.
You're in a lose-lose situation. You can dismiss, or force the resignation, of someone that is well liked by a large chunk of Tennessee football fans. Including some of the biggest boosters to your program.
Or you can keep your head coach … only to risk alienating an even bigger chunk of the fan base. Can you afford to ignore the fact that Tennessee fans all around Neyland Stadium sold their tickets to Alabama fans last week?
Can you afford, in this economy, to allow your business (which is what the UT Athletic Department is), to potentially lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, ticket sales and concession sales in the coming year?
As the Tennessee Titans roll to 7-0 and your own team struggles, can you risk your strong mid-state fan base giving up on your team, staying in Nashville, and saving some hotel/gasoline cash to watch "a winner?"
And, though he would never admit it, there's an added worry if you're Hamilton. If you keep your head coach, you won't be the guy on the chopping block if things get worse. Fulmer is your buffer.
But if you dismiss him or ask for his resignation, you'd better hire the right guy as a replacement. Hamilton worked alongside Steve Pederson at Tennessee. Pederson went on to become Nebraska's AD, where he fired Frank Solich in an attempt to fend off a drop to mediocrity. Then he hired Bill Callahan who was a failure. Before Callahan was fired, Pederson was fired.
The same thing could happen to you.
Perhaps you could keep your coach and just force him to make staff changes. But what top assistant would join a staff that could possibly be out of work after another bad season next year.
Put yourself in a pro-Fulmer fan's shoes.
Your coach has won about 75 percent of his games. He's been a Tennessee guy for 30 years. In January of 1999 he brought you one of the best nights of your life.
He's won the right way, with no major NCAA violations occurring during his watch.
Besides, the SEC is simply tougher now. If Fulmer is let go, what guarantee is there that another coach can come in and win 10 or 11 games a year in this league?
Put yourself in a pro-change fan's shoes.
Tennessee is losing ground to Alabama, Florida and Georgia. Great recruiting classes (on paper) aren't leading to great on-field results.
Rock-solid stats show that UT is losing more often … by bigger margins … and at home. The Vols are 30-20 in their last 50 games. This is the third time in seven years that UT has lost five or more games in a season.
And for every Frank Solich or Mike Dubose mistake that's been made in coaching searches, there are Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops success stories, too.
Finally, what guarantees are there that the current coaching staff can turn things around if they're given more time?
Chances are you've already staked out your position on Tennessee's coaching situation. But it never hurts to try to understand what "the other guy" is thinking.
You may disagree with "the other guy's" argument, but both sides have legitimate points to make.
This isn't an easy time at Tennessee ... for Fulmer, for Hamilton or for the fans.
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Comments » 203
VolinUtah writes:
No easy decision for Mr. Hamilton, but one has to be made.
VolinUtah writes:
Sorry about the previous post. It was pretty lame, and meaningless. I just wanted to post something before some loser said "FIRST" :)
licknpromise777#651578 writes:
Does anyone know if Graham from Tulsa is being considered at UT...He took f***ing Rice to their first bowl game in 45 years..Need I say more? What a great hire that would be!!!
jandjhome#228397 writes:
I agree licknpromise777#651578,I saw Graham on TV last week,he would be very compatable with Bruce Pearl, same style.
DogAndPonyShow writes:
Put yourself in Fulmer's pants.
You'll have room for three of your buddies as well.
tnbigg writes:
His time is finished...he opted to go out ugly...and ugly it will be...
imw8n4u writes:
If Mike Leach knocks off Texas tomorrow, he has to be a candidate, but personally I think I'd prefer Will Muschamp given he has a history of coaching in the SEC. Thanks for taking care of the firsties Utah.
nicksjuzunk#646117 writes:
My schizophrenic side is acting up again!! AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
The_Mayor writes:
We, as humans, tend to get caught up in the here and now, and our nature is to want things sooner rather than later. We're just built that way. That said, a little self-inflicted perspective is due, and this is how I see it. Had Fulmer stepped out of line somewhere along the way (ie. NCAA sanctions, unethical behavior, poor graduation rate, etc.), he would likely be cleaning out his desk permanently in December. But he hasn't...he's walked the straight and narrow and has bled orange since 1968. His track record states that he's accomplished a tremendous amount at UT for a long time, despite a downward trend in recent years. Downward trends happen to EVERY coach who stays around long enough. UT played in the SEC Championship Game last year...last year. Getting there wasn't pretty, admittedly, but when it was all said and done, they had earned the right to represent the SEC East, over Georgia and Florida. Fulmer may eventually get his pink slip, but it's not going to happen this year...plain and simple. He'll be given a chance to turn it around next season, and that's just the way it's going to be, whether you or I like it or not. I'm not being argumentative...I'm just trying to reel things back into perspective.
djohnnyg writes:
C'MON!!!!!!,
Tenn. has fallen so far that we are one of the weakest games in Fla. and Alabama's schedule. Used to be a rivalry. Now UT is just another patsy they can beat up on YEAR AFTER YEAR.
And for all the idiots that say that if UT hires a new coach it's gonna take years and years before we get better, I have two words for u; URBAN MEYER!!! How long did it take him to get Fla. winning big time again??? Huh?, huh?, thought so. Gee, let me see, how manytimes has Fulmer beaten Meyer????? Umm, NOT ONCE!!! In fact Fulmer is getting absolutely crushed by Meyer EVERY TIME THEY PLAY.
Let's see; if you add it up Meyer has spanked Phil Fulmer to the tune of 89-26 the last 2 years. And what about our big "rival" Alabama??? Let's see, Fulmer has only gotten spanked 75-31. Whoa, BIG improvement. Glad to see the coach is "working like heck" to get it done. He only has one of the top recruiting classes in the nation to work with so this is all understandable.
Oh but "that's not us". One or two games MAYBE you can say that, but this is a humiliating trend. Sorry Phil, but that is "US"!
This isn't just one fluke year people. Check the numbers, watch the games, hear the snickers when you walk by a Gator fan while you're wearing your Tennessee Vol hat.
Do any of u honestly believe that Fulmer is EVER, EVER, EVER, going to be able to compete with, no less BEAT Urban Meyer or Nick Saban??? Honest now. Based on recent history Fulmer is outclassed and out coached. With Fulmer Tennessee is NEVER going to beat Ala. or Fla. Those coaches are so far ahead of where Fulmer is at he can't even old their headphones or clipboards. Before you say "he'll beat em next year", the fact is he never has.
You keep Fulmer, and not pursue a bright,forward thinking, progressive coach, than you're asking for another year of humiliating losses to those two coaches who absolutely OWN him. Heck, UT BARELY beat Northern Illinois... AT HOME NO LESS. Northern Illinois??? There's a signature win for ya.
Oh, but we have a young QB. Who's fault is that???
Keep Fulmer and think about what Fla. will do to you in the swamp next year. Oh, and we have to play AT Alabama next year to. What do u think Saban is gonna do to the Vols? Same da%n thing he's done the last 2 years. Fulmer doesn't have an answer, except to talk about his 150 wins which are ancient freakin history.
Tenn. USED TO BE an SEC powerhouse. Now, they are just another SEC patsy for Bama and Fla, to beat up on.
So keep Fulmer. I GUARANTEE YOU Fulmer will NEVER EVER beat BAMA or FLA. again. Can u Vol fans live with that? I CAN'T.
I'm fed up with seeing Tenn. get annihilated by those teams. They USED TO BE a rival.
USED TO BE!!!
blitzshoot writes:
Regards to the pro-Fulmer fans, 10 straight losing seasons would be fine, as long as Fulmer is the coach.
My recommendation would be for hamilton to not ride the fence of which fan base to decide with, but with what decision would have the most negative impact on the university. UT fans selling tickets to Bama fans. Are you kidding me? You will always have a Fulmer fan base, but can UT afford it?
The_Mayor writes:
Your memory seems short, so let me give you two more words to add to your vocabulary, Ron Zook.
And before you get too caught up in recent history, let's try looking into the future. I'll be a cup of coffee Meyer will, by his choice, be coaching somewhere else in 5 years or less. I mean seriously, there's nothing sexy about Gainesville, FL, and Pete Carroll won't stay for ever in Disneyland.
djohnnyg writes:
By the way, if any Gator fan snickered at me I would punch him out. Just want to be clear on that.
Also, for those of you touting thefact that Fulmer has run a "clean" program; congratu-freaking-lations!!! So has Austin freakin' Peay.
The_Mayor writes:
Very good point, sir. And just to be clear, I'm not a Fulmer deciple. I'm just saying that Hamilton has already weighed everything, and will take his chances on Fulmer and Clawson's new scheme for at least another season.
hdhurst writes:
I maybe one of the last die-hard Fulmer fans, mostly because of the reasons that were mentioned in the article. However, I am not naive enough to not think outside the box, especially when I have found myself questioning some of the calls that have been made, whether they be from the HC or OC, it stills falls on Fulmer's shoulder over the course of the season. Anyway, my preferred course of action would be this. Hamilton, sit down with Fulmer, explain the dire situation that we are in (because I am sure Phil is drinking more orange Kool-aid than I am), and put it too him like this: you are coaching on a year-by-year basis. Produce excellant results (even state exactly what they should be, e.g., win the SEC East, etc) or you will be forced to resign or be fired. This might be a little hard for the coach to swallow and will certainly not appease some fans who want him out now, but will maybe be the most "responsible" or "logical" course to take to meet both sides. Therefore, based on this conclusion, I say give him 1 more year to: get in the new recruits and maximize them, get 1 more year with this new system/staff, and show he can light a fire under the players to start playing like UT again. So, redicule this response all you want, but it's just my opinion. GO VOLS..beat those gameCOCKS.
djohnnyg writes:
Yes, I truly enjoyed the game where Fulmer bested Mr. Zook. At least Fla. competed. If not for that bogus personal foul call Zook would've had that game too. Don't get me wrong, Tenn won that game and I was happy as heck. I watched the tape of it (especially the end) about six times afterword I was so happy.
I apologize for my over-use of the word "freakin'" it's even starting to annoy me.
Greer_Vol_22 writes:
don't overthink this people and for darn sure don't take it personally. For the university, this is big business and dollar and cents trump all feelings of loyalty and devotion. For me, I'm as orange an anyone and all i want is to see a winner on Saturdays. So enough of the bleeding heart BS on both sides. Be angry at Obama, be angry at the war or gas prices, or breast cancer, but remember this is just football.I'll see you in Columbia tomorrow.
GO VOLS!!!
lildevils7 writes:
Fulmer deserves a chance to right the ship. He's earned that with a 75% winning percentage. All you haters and bandwagon VOL FANS need to get a grip. You can not mention UT FOOTBALL without his name being in the first sentence,he is UT personified. No one hates losing more than I do, but nows not the time to bash Fulmer it's time to stand strong and prove your a TRUE VOL FAN.
djohnnyg writes:
hdhurst,
I agree, that is a good plan. I think we're just asking for more humiliating drubbings by UT "rivals", but it might just be the fairest thing to do considering Phil's past accomplishments and loyalty and devotion to UT football. I just think he is WAY over his head in these modern times to even compete with the progressive guys like Meyer and Saban.
I am NOT looking forward to the game in the swamp next year. You think we can hold 'em to under 50? Seriously.
The_Mayor writes:
That's alright, djohhnyg...you're just passionate about your UT Football, bro. I freakin' bleed orange too!
blitzshoot writes:
It's not popular, but I think you are right!
djohnnyg writes:
PLEASE!!! STOP equating being a Vol; fan with being a Fulmer fan. Do u think Green Bay fans stopped rooting for the Packers when Lombardi left? Did Alabama fans leave in droves when Bear Bryant left? Fulmer IS NOT UT football.
He has been a big part of it. But he is NOT bigger than the program.
Do u enjoy getting absolutley hammered by Fla. and Bama every year???? You must. Phil can't even compete with those teams anymore. And it's NOT JUST ONE YEAR.
CrankE writes:
...are within striking distance of Robert Neyland's all-time school win mark.
Define "striking distance." Is that sort of like how UT's offense is in striking distance of the goal line?
You know, if Fulmer would just win or lose 2 more games each year, this whole discussion would be unnecessary. (i.e 10 wins per year or 6 wins per year)
The real hard spot with Fulmer is consistency and competitiveness. The competitiveness is there some years. But the consistency to do it every year isn't. Especially telling is that the "Dome" years are immediately followed by "Dump" years with 5 or more losses each.
And each time, it's the same dump(turnovers, penalties, discipline, QB indecision, and poor special teams). A great coach should know how to avoid this dump. A good coach should learn from being in the dump how to at least avoid it the next time. Yet under Fulmer, UT has gone headlong into this same dump not once, but three times this decade. A good coach should know how to get his team out of the dump. Yet Fulmer seems mystified as to how/why UT got here and how to actually fix it (magic dust anyone).
Hamilton needs to realize this too; He's never going to get a better chance to clean house at The Hecktagon. If they don't can Fulmer after this season, then they'll never be able to get rid of him.
shipperman#280095 writes:
I have news for you my friend, come December 1, if not before, you will discover that Fulmer will not have another year at UT. The decision has indeed been made and the Fulmer University fans will lose this one. The Univ of Tennessee fans win in the long run. He has had chances to turn this program around, but for a team with UT's tradition, 10 years is too long without an SEC title, and constant losing to the top teams is not acceptable. Just remember I told you, Phil "retires" at the end of this season.
djohnnyg writes:
(Thanks Mayor.)
I'm getting sick of hearing myself type. I'm having trouble coming to terms with the fact that UT has become a patsy for those other SEC powerhouses, and that we aren't even in the same sentence with UGA, FLA.,and Bama. That hurts, but what hurts more is the fact that it doesn't have to be that way with the kind of recruiting class that is being brought in here. Some of you Fulmer fans should actually feel bad for the highly touted kids who are being wasted on Fulmers horrendous "old school let's lose by fifty points" coaching.
I'm done.
Go Vols!!!
Go Vols!!!
The_Mayor writes:
CrankE, many good points, and I have to say, I like the terms "Dome" and "Dump" years. I don't know man...I just don't see it in the cards for now. Hamilton simply won't fire an unblemished Fulmer (ie. he hasn't gone storming into the president's office half drunk and hollow eyed and battle cuss him, like Majors did) one year removed from playing in the SEC Championship Game.
blitzshoot writes:
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
djohnnyg writes:
an SEC champ. game that was there for the taking you should add. With the talent UT has/had, PHIL SHOULD HAVE WON 4 SEC TITLES. IMO.
lildevils7 writes:
Bama 1 title since Bear GreenBay 1or2 since Lombardi they have been great haven't they
RaleighVol writes:
There are many different views indeed. I honestly hate to see Phil have to go, but I also honestly believe Phil needs to go. Coaching changes have the same type of risk/reward equation that most other business decisions do.
The edge that Phil built up and we all now expect is no longer there and doubtful that he will bring it back, at least not year after year. Perhaps he'll have a really good year every 4 years, just like Joe Pa' and Bobby recently.
Sure, the wrong coach could make it worse for several more years, but the right coach can bring back the edge fast. I've seen lots of names thrown around that might work, but they're not going to want to come to Tennessee right now.
There is one coach in particular that can get it done and I believe would want to come. There is also lots of talk on here about the great TN boys that are being passed over, playing at Bama or elsewhere. But, that's not new, it has happened before during TN lowpoints.
Back in the 60s that happened too. His name was Steve and he was the best quarterback to ever play in the state of TN. He wanted to play ball at Neyland every weekend - I've heard him talk about getting goosebumps hearing Rocky Top as it was played in Neyland. Because TN was in a coaching slump then too, Steve went to Florida.
Let's bring Steve home - really home. The 'ole ball coach would win next year - Big in Neyland as a Vol. Guarantee you he would love it. The return to Florida did not work for him, now he can come home and have a program that can beat Florida, Bama, GA, and LSU everytime. We've had the talent too many times, but no coach to make it pay. Spurrier knows how to use that talent better than any coach in college football.
Talk to Spurrier Sunday morning Mike, after his next big win. All you Spurrier haters, get over it, TN shafted him long ago, he has relished in poking us ever since. This is where he needs to finish his career on top for the next few years and he can set us up with the next young guy to take over.
mikejohn11 writes:
This is my take. All of the Pro-Fulmer crowd say we will get what we deserve if we fire Fulmer. Meaning we will lose a bunch of games and be rebuilding into the near future. And to this I say SO WHAT!!!
If we get a new coach at least we won't know how the players will act on and off the field. We won't know which plays are being run and how we will be defending on every play. We won't know if we can defeat a rivalry team. We won't know whats going to be said after every loss. We won't know a bunch of things.
But if we keep Fulmer, we all know the answers to all of the above.
TommyJack writes:
I could not disagree with you more.
The_Mayor writes:
mj11, I like your patience to think long term, but unfortunately you're literally one in a million.
"Meaning we will lose a bunch of games and be rebuilding into the near future."
No disrespect intended, but the Volnation as a whole will crucify ANY coach who brings us a bunch of losses, under any circumstances.
TrueVolFan writes:
Dude, we get the point! Please explain to me how we are getting "Hammered" by Bama when this is the first time in Phils career that he has lost back-to-back to them. How exactly is a 10-6 record over them gtting hammered every year. Give, Florida whipped us pretty good last year, but lets not forget the score entering the fourth quarter until a T.O. opened the flood gates. I agree we were outplayed by both teams at times, but don't act like things haven't happened that just made you say AAAHHHHHHH! Down 3-0 to Bama and have Arian carry it to the 1 yd line only to have it brought back because the tackle moved early. Maybe Phil should have coached him and told him not to get anxious on first and goal versus the #2 team in the country. You don't think they're "coached" to do that do you? Players still have to play! They will make mistakes, ours have just been too much to overcome this year. Two gaol line T.O.'s vs Fla, 1 vs Auburn, and 1st and goal penalties against UGA and Bama. Thats part of football, and in 17 years, you're gonna get times where it seems like they are all going against you. Things will level out and get better, have a little kool-aide and watch the game with some buddies! Go Vols!
The_Mayor writes:
RaleighVol, THAT is the one sole scenario where I can see Fulmer being gone (fired or retired) after this season. Spurrier is the ONLY living soul who has that clout at this point in time.
croweman writes:
With all the new changes we had with coaches this year I knew that we would have a tough time but not this tough. Fulmer has a history and should have time to make this thing work. Quote of the day for you coach "If you don't like what your getting CHANGE what your giving".
asand211#361548 writes:
Will Muschamp should be near the top of the list should Fulmer make his exit this year. I've been told by several UGA fans that they are worried UT will snag Muschamp from Texas.
newtonrail writes:
I agree 100%. It's irrelevant whether I want Fulmer to stay or go at this point. He can lose to SC and possibly one more, though I don't see it happening, and he'll be back. I have a lot of respect for Pennington, but he left out the money. $12 million minimum to get rid of one staff and bring in another. Yes, I know about the Windfall TV money. But as John pointed out, this is a business, and barring a complete meltdown it simply costs too much. The economy is going to knock donations down no matter who's coaching.
WYLOVER writes:
Bingo. I am not interested in some BS coach from Rice or Tulsa or any other Disney school. Real D1 experience, SEC preferable.
Learn from your mistakes....no more Clawson hires.
leedsvol2007 writes:
Pennington lists Richt as an example of a coaching change that paid off but forgets that it took 3 hires at Georgia to finally garner success.
First there was Ray Goff, then a coach who accepted the job and change his mind from Minnesota whom I cannot remember, Jim Donnan and finally Richt.
Arkansas fans last year were saying the same things we are saying about our program and Houston Nutt.
Our team is not without overall talent but we lack a couple of key pieces and in the SEC the margin for error is small.
Two seasons ago Jeff Fisher was under some public criticism in Nashville. He plays conservative offense and sound defense. Right now he is 7-0.
Does anyone doubt Bill Bellichick's ability to coach. Is his record as good with Tom Brady injured?
If you look through the lists of College Football Hall of Fame coaches Fulmer's resume is better than at least half of them.
While I don't think he is a coach of the stature of Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno I think his record and history at our school earns him the right to at least one more season.
And with the quarterback problems we have and are having this year it is difficult to evaluate whether Clawson is a good coordinator.
We all know Spurrier know how to set up an offense. But even as good as history shows he is USC has not been prolific to date as they train 2 quarterbacks.
We all, myself included, want to win every year. But in this era teams will not always reload and the odds are they are going to have some years like we are currently having. Lets make sure we need to make a change before running off a hall of fame coach.
WYLOVER writes:
We are 1 and 5 against the big three on our schedule in the last two years.
It is hard to remember the last time we beat Auburn (Peyton's senior year).
Fulmer's record against UF is terrible. Perfect opp to dominate them when Zook was there and he could not get it done.
Bama is back until Saban leaves (two years from now), so I don't lose sleep.
UGA is a recruiting machine now....and they seem to get the most out of their guys.
We are playing for third in the East without big change.
Recruiting and conversion into SEC talent is way down.
WYLOVER writes:
QB problems are Clawson. Stephens has a cannon of an arm but is not allowed to used it (other than predictable deep balls on the sideline).
Crompton is a bust and someone needs to figure out why.
His arm is weak. Those two operations must have took something out (or someone really screwed up in recruiting).
bigorangeslice writes:
Flip a Coin….Geez, do something but whatever you do;
DECIDE
jerryj#417452 writes:
Guys it is simple! If David Cutcliff had not of came back to UT, we would have 4 straight years of 5, 6 or 7 win seasons. Cutcliff saved Fulmers butt. Also there is way to much talent that has went through UT the last 10 years that has not gotten developed! You can't deny that! The problem with this staff is they are too loyal to the upper classmen. Proof of this is Johnathan C. Cutcliff did not make those comments about JC for no reason! But not to have a QB battle this past spring proves the above point. Fulmer is absolutely a CLASS GUY! That can't be denied. But the problem is his conservative system will not cut it in the SEC anymore. These days the best player at any given position is the one who should play, regardless of age.(Fr, So, Jr, Sr) For some reason Fulmer don't understand this. It's time for a change.
murrayvol writes:
That's an illuminating post.
djohnnyg writes:
Yes Fulmer has an overall winning record against Bama, but I stand by the "hammered" by Bama part, when the scoreboard shows that Bama beat UT 41-17 last year, and 34-12 this year. That, my friend is getting "hammered". And Phil has also been getting "hammered" by Fla. for a long time. You failed to mention his overall against them. Maybe because it is a losing one, with a 62-37 loss, 59-20 loss, and most recently a 30-6 loss at home. Forget about the 62 -37 game it is in the past, but you can't ignore the 'hammered' part with Urban Meyer. The TREND is that it keeps getting worse.
My ? remains; do you honestly think Phil can beat Fla. or Bama anytime soon? Recent history says no way in 'heck'.
My question is can Phil field a team that might not be totally humiliated by Fla. or Bama next year?
The reason I keep harping on Fla. and Bama is those 'used to be' our biggest rivals. Now, if we beat NIU and Miss St. they're dancing in the streets in Knoxville. Doesn't that show how far down this program has fallen.
C'mon, you are saying that a 34-12 shellacking comes down to a couple of turnovers and it all would've been different? No. It's not all on Fulmers back (the TO's), but 34-12 is a heck of a lot more than a couple TO's.
What's so sad is that it's gotten to the point that if we can get to within 20 points of these teams we consider it a moral victory.
UT football should expect way more than that. Shouldn't we? Or has it gotten that bad?
movol53 writes:
OK djohnnyg who is your pick to replace Fulmer?
Who is the next Saban, Meyer or Pete Carrol?
Ibleed organge too but I have no clue who the next "great coach" will be.
What about the current Utah coach? Isn't that where Meyer came from?
The Utes are winning every game so far this season.
bigorangeslice writes:
HEY, CONGRATS!
you just said in 10 words what Pennington couldn't with 350
debaser11 writes:
Knowing what to do is EASY.
Executing it is HARD.
murrayvol writes:
What you have now is a fractured fan base that is not going to heal as long as Fulmer is coach.
Agreed he's not blemished ala Majors but his teams performance is blemished in countless ways and has been for awhile.
I hate to rain on your parade Mayor but IMO it's over.
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