UT confirms NCAA review, vows to cooperate fully

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Tennessee Media Guide photo of hostesses.

Tennessee has issued a statement confirming an NCAA review into possible recruiting violations following a report from the New York Times about improper use of hostesses.

Tiffany Carpenter, UT assistant athletic director for public relations, said the release should be considered a joint statement with UT and the athletic department and there are no plans for a separate statement from athletic director Mike Hamilton.

According to the Times report on Wednesday, UT is under scrutiny for the use of members of the Orange Pride group, hostesses who have helped in recruiting under football coach Lane Kiffin. The Vols had previously caught the NCAA’s eye after self-reporting six secondary violations since Kiffin was hired last December, but they haven't turned one in since the last of those six in June.

"The University of Tennessee confirms that there is an NCAA review under way. University Administration and Athletics are cooperating fully," the statement said. "We are concerned about the alleged activities of some members of the Orange Pride.

"Both university and NCAA guidelines are a part of the Orange Pride’s orientation and training. If those guidelines were violated, we will take appropriate action. Because of federal student privacy regulations, we can’t comment further."

The Times story cites examples of Orange Pride hostesses traveling to high school games featuring UT recruits and holding up signs encouraging the players to sign with the program, which would be a violation of NCAA rules because members of the group are representatives of the university.

Hamilton confirmed the investigation to the Times, but he didn’t elaborate on what it included.

“Typically, we do not comment on inquires that are in progress,” he told the Times on Tuesday night.

There are already plans for the inquiry to continue on Thursday with a visit from the NCAA to UT commit JaWaun James in Georgia.

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back2backchamps writes:

His statement will be:

"Oh Sh*t!!!!!"

back2backchamps writes:

in response to LazhilUT:

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IF true, these would be considered primary recruiting violations whether the coaches knew or not, as the hostesses are considered representatives of the University.

Laydbakvol writes:

I wouldn't mind if it was a NCAA wide investigation into hostesses because they're everywhere. But to single out Tennessee seems fishy.

walter1998 writes:

seems the guy you Vols keep banning was right last week when he posted the Vols were under investigation.

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to hiresanders:

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FIRESANDERS!!! Sorry, keep forgetting we already did....
So now you are a "Fortune Teller"? Sounds about right....

Mansonlamps writes:

I'd like for Hamilton to inquire to the Times writer just what in the heck he means about "legendary" Vol Hostesses. What is this phooey?

notoriousBIGorange writes:

in response to hiresanders:

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Awww, it took a negative article about UT to bring you out of hiding. Haven't heard from you in over a month; what is it now, 25 in a row against UK??
Loser

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

IF true, these would be considered primary recruiting violations whether the coaches knew or not, as the hostesses are considered representatives of the University.

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VOLinATL writes:

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tE8OwPHELch35 writes:

in response to hiresanders:

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RoyaltyVol writes:

If these type allegations and investigations continue and proove to be true, then Lane Kiffin will need to be fired soon before he destroys our university. I hope they aren't true.

topgun writes:

in response to VOLinATL:

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Hmmmmmm....Somehow, I think you DON'T have anything to worry about--if your daughter(s) are like you!!

VOLinTennessee

tbavitek writes:

in response to LazhilUT:

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FSU did lose scholarships. From an old ESPN article:

"The football team will be limited to 83 total scholarships in 2008-09; 82 in 2009-10; and 84 in 2010-11; the maximum usually allowed by the NCAA is 85. Florida State self-imposed the loss of the two scholarships for 2008-09, and will self-impose the loss of three scholarships for 2009-10. The NCAA added an additional loss of scholarship from the maximum in 2010-11."

MusicCityVol writes:

Can anyone clarify the rule? Was it wrong for them to be there? Wrong for them to hold up the sign? Wrong if UT paid the expenses? Or were all three of the above violations? Just trying to figure out exactly what rules might have been broken here.

topgun writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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"urbanmeyer," you have always been a mixed up, scrambled person.

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to MusicCityVol:

Can anyone clarify the rule? Was it wrong for them to be there? Wrong for them to hold up the sign? Wrong if UT paid the expenses? Or were all three of the above violations? Just trying to figure out exactly what rules might have been broken here.

MCV, this is the most petty, warrantless, rediculous story the NYT has probably ever run! If we get more than a slap on the wrist for any of this, then someone needs to "investigate" the NCAA...
This phooey happens more than anyone knows and the fact that UT made the national news with it only shows that the national media is obsessed with UT!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vaul...

cmoore7 writes:

in response to hiresanders:

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Flagged. See ya

armyvol544 writes:

I remember way back, and I don't want to tell my age but it will, when Tennessee High was playing Bearden High in basketball at Bearden. Derek Hord was playing for Tennessee High and the Bearden fans had huge signs everywhere in the gym asking Derek to go to UT instead of UK. And the fans started a chanting something like 'Derek be a Vol." Nothing came of that.

But Derek went to UK and so did his High School Coach. This is what I don't understand about the NCAA. You can recruit a coach to get a player but you can't hold up signs to sway a player anymore.

buzz29 writes:

"folk heroes", "invaluable". Please. A hot piece is a hot piece, but each school has them. While it's a shame that they strive to cheapen themselves, it's even worse for UT and/or Kiffin to use them in a manner that threatens the potential success of the football program. It's time for Kiffin to stop committing the stupid Mickey Mouse violations, and start exhibiting the professionalism he so often mentions.

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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Go away Troll, you're an idiot!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vaul...

Long_Time_Vols_Fan writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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Is there some reason you have to speak like the witch doctor now ??? And if the NCAA is going to dig for worms...guess they'll have to do it at every school with "Hostesses"...cause I'm pretty sure UT isn’t the only university that has them.... BTW, if they traveled without the university knowing or sponsoring them.. then there is what we formerly in Govt service call creditable deniability

VolPatrick writes:

As they say in NASCAR: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

"Over the years, just about all the colleges are going to push it as far as possible and then the NCAA is going to put in more guidelines to rein them in,” The North Gwinnett Coach, Bob Sphere.

Keep moving along folks, there's nothing to see here.

back2backchamps writes:

in response to FEARinSEC:

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FiS,
My name was a tribute to the National Champion basketball teams at UF. You know the sport where Pearl owns Donovan, but not any wins in the elite 8 :)

DenverVol writes:

in response to MusicCityVol:

Can anyone clarify the rule? Was it wrong for them to be there? Wrong for them to hold up the sign? Wrong if UT paid the expenses? Or were all three of the above violations? Just trying to figure out exactly what rules might have been broken here.

I'm just taking a stab, but if and when the school paid for any of their expenses, they than become a representative of the school. I would assume this could be where the violation occurs. If they were just UT fans dressed in orange at a high school football game and there happened to be a prized recruit that they cheered for, there's no way that could be a violation. That's my take.

One thing to note, I've had friends go to major colleges all over the country, Pac10, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, you name it. I can promise you, every school has one of these groups. I've heard stories from the very innocent to "OMG really?" coming from the 'activities' of these hostesses. It's a part of every college's recruiting program, not just for football, but for all sports to provide 'hosts' during their recruit's visits.

I'm as big of fan of Kiffin as anyone, but it probably wouldn't hurt to see him fly under the radar for a while. JMO.

vjnd3#219886 writes:

in response to Post_In_Waiting:

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Oh no your back? You ready to tell us who you are you self important azz?

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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You would know all about that, plenty of "worms" in the swamp (mud puddle), huh?

back2backchamps writes:

in response to Navalorange:

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A serious question Naval, IF there was a recruiting infraction, would a rival coach be wrong for reporting it to the NCAA? I rememeber Spurrier reporting Bama while he was at UF. I didn't hear many Fulmer bashers when he reportedly turned in Bama either.
The snitch is not always to blame :)

back2backchamps writes:

in response to FreeTDTN:

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I don't have to sleep until UT makes it to the Final Four do I? :)

BluezVol writes:

Holding up a sign? Doesn't that constitute freedom of speech and expression? If that is teh violation, then is the NCAA higher than the Bill of Rights? If so....beam me up Scotty....

stinky_pinky writes:

PETE THAMEL and THAYER EVANS

where did these clowns go to school? can anyone find out?

drone#208075 writes:

I smell a Slive.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

His statement will be:

"Oh Sh*t!!!!!"

Feel better?

volgrog#210164 writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

His statement will be:

"Oh Sh*t!!!!!"

You might want to change your screen name. Maybe "alligatortears"?

back2backchamps writes:

in response to BluezVol:

Holding up a sign? Doesn't that constitute freedom of speech and expression? If that is teh violation, then is the NCAA higher than the Bill of Rights? If so....beam me up Scotty....

Actually a lot of NCAA rules would seem to be higher than the Bill of Rights :(

I would think that UT sends out the same type letter to their Alumni and boosters that UF does. If so, you would know that any activity that involves "prospective student-athletes" can get complicated very quickly. The schools are only allowed a limited number of "off-campus" recruiters, and the hostesses are "representatives" of the school. If they remain on campus, it is a completely different situation.

Couchdummy writes:

To save you time, Hamilton will say:

-We have been informed...
-We will be supportive & forthcoming during the investigation..
-We will not comment during the fact gathering period..
-We will provide details as they becomes available.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to Witch_Doctor:

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W-D I hope your inside info. is correct. But there isn't any proof at this time that either Lane or Hamilton knew anything about a bunch of girl's holding up signs at a high school game. As for beening UT rep's girls, I'm not sure that is true either. Lets just wait and see what falls out of all this.

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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urbanmeyer, you are right, students don't drive to Florida HS games for "fun". They drive to Florida HS games to check out all the talent UT will be stealing from your "back yard". As long as the students were not told/paid/etc... to drive to Florida HS games, then they can drive wherever they want!
Are you really that ignorant??
I know you know all about the "digging for worms", but you know as well as I do that nothing will come of this... Silly GATROLLS!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vaul...

VolinCalif writes:

in response to FARRAGUT0406:

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Me Too! Go Lane Train Go Vols

MoralVictory writes:

Follow the math..Lane gets hired and he brings a wealth of recruiting "knowledge" from USC..he hires other "knowledgeables" such as Orgeron, Gran, Thompson, Wilson and others..and we soon learn "knowledge of rules" isn't part of the overall "knowledge package" and now we learn "carnal knowledge" may be the biggest component of the "knowledge tree..which biblically includes 'evil'. Blame others if you like. Blame Urban (again0 if you liek. Blame the NCAA if you like. But under no circumstances blame Lane the pimp at the top. UF worried? Doubtful..as long as the rules are enforced the Gator Nation will remain "on top"..figuritively that is.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to BolivarBob:

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Good post Bob.
Kids can do anything they want as long as the School does not support their action.

MoralVictory writes:

I thought it would take Lane at least two to three years to poop in his own parade..but he is far more motivated and self destructive than I imagined. Must be Ed Orgeron's influence. I hope Lane isn't speaking at any girls groups or churches anytime soon..Doesn't appear to be his thing anyway.

abnermc writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

IF true, these would be considered primary recruiting violations whether the coaches knew or not, as the hostesses are considered representatives of the University.

You would know this of course.LOL

jayvol writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

IF true, these would be considered primary recruiting violations whether the coaches knew or not, as the hostesses are considered representatives of the University.

from the bryce brown phooey to the trash with jackson, richardson, now this what has coach kitten got us into!had a staff of the best recrutrers in the country!they know whats going on and they know better than this!!the bowl game is overshadowed by all this B.S.!!!!

FEARinSEC writes:

in response to MoralVictory:

Follow the math..Lane gets hired and he brings a wealth of recruiting "knowledge" from USC..he hires other "knowledgeables" such as Orgeron, Gran, Thompson, Wilson and others..and we soon learn "knowledge of rules" isn't part of the overall "knowledge package" and now we learn "carnal knowledge" may be the biggest component of the "knowledge tree..which biblically includes 'evil'. Blame others if you like. Blame Urban (again0 if you liek. Blame the NCAA if you like. But under no circumstances blame Lane the pimp at the top. UF worried? Doubtful..as long as the rules are enforced the Gator Nation will remain "on top"..figuritively that is.

MV, grow up, please! That post made about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine!

Gator Nation "on top"??? Does that mean Meyer likes to be on top, or Tebow likes to be on top???

Cldvols1 writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

IF true, these would be considered primary recruiting violations whether the coaches knew or not, as the hostesses are considered representatives of the University.

Wrong! They are primary only if they become a recurring problem once the university is notified of the violation. Stick to the gay tor websites troll. GBO!!!

jayvol writes:

in response to umrebyaenr:

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URBAN MEYER should get a suspension for cring all the fluids out of his body!just to get a little attention after that beat-down from bama!!!oh little timmy should have went pro last year!came back for nothing at all!!hope you had fun florida fans your run is over!!

back2backchamps writes:

in response to Cldvols1:

Wrong! They are primary only if they become a recurring problem once the university is notified of the violation. Stick to the gay tor websites troll. GBO!!!

Double Wow, They are a PRIMARY recruiting violation IF they are true. A primary violation does NOT have to be recurring and the school doesn't have to be notified to make them a violation. By your brilliant logic, any school could pay a recuit as long as its not "recurring once the school is notified". Maybe you should stick to websites for the village idiot :)

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to Witch_Doctor:

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I am so glad your were the one to respond to him because I sure as heck wasn't going to waste my time...AND good answer in the process!!

Vol86 writes:

I think better articles come from national Inquire than NYT. They are just a bunch of liberal bast----- they should mind there own business. The south should leave the union anyway. Why should we support northern broke cities with our taxes. Do not get me started.

DC_Vol writes:

in response to back2backchamps:

His statement will be:

"Oh Sh*t!!!!!"

Geez change your name! No back to back championships for Florida. Try a name like "Clobbered by SEC Champ!"

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