ESPN may have caught Kiffin in another secondary violation; Raiders take another shot at ex-coach

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Tennessee football coach Lane Kiffin may have committed a sixth NCAA secondary recruiting violation since his hiring, this one resulting from a segment featuring him on ESPN’s “Outside the Lines.”

During the segment first televised Sunday, Kiffin is shown meeting and talking with a recruit. At the end of the segment, ESPN’s Bob Ley, host of the show, brought the possible violation to light.

“Now, Kiffin’s arrival has brought several secondary NCAA violations,” Ley said. “It is entirely possible that you just saw another one. Remember the scene where Lane Kiffin is speaking with a recruit?

“Well, in the infamously thick NCAA rulebook, Rule 13.0.1, (it states) media members cannot observe recruiting contact by coaches. Tennessee tells Outside the Lines it is reviewing this matter. The NCAA is reserving comment until the story airs, so we look forward to hearing from them today (Sunday).”

UT spokesperson Tiffany Carpenter said Sunday UT is looking into the situation.

In the scene with the recruit, Kiffin welcomes the defensive back into the room.

“So, how’s it going?” Kiffin said.

“It’s going alright, man,” the recruit said.

“Yeah, yeah,” Kiffin said.

Kiffin’s appearance on “Outside the Lines” will certainly continue to stir things up.

ESPN reporter Wendi Nix reported in the segment that as of June 6, UT had self-reported five secondary recruiting violations since Kiffin’s hiring, from the simulated news conference for recruits to improper use of Twitter.

Kiffin was then shown with a response to the violations.

“If you really study recruiting violations, minor violations, they happen very often at a lot of places, unfortunately, and so you can’t do everything right,” Kiffin said. “Sometimes you make a mistake, and nothing that we’ve done has been set out to do something against the rules or on purpose.”

Nix’s report also mentioned Kiffin’s short reign as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. The segment showed part of the odd press conference when Raiders owner Al Davis fired Kiffin, and Davis reading the reasons for the firing while an overhead projector showed the text on a screen.

The Raiders then issued a statement for the “Outside the Lines” segment on Kiffin.

“Lane Kiffin is a flat-out liar,” the statement read. “He lied to the team, he lied to the fans, and he lied to the media. He will try to destroy that university like he tried to destroy the Raiders, and will eventually clash with (Pat) Summitt and (Bruce) Pearl. Other than that, the Raiders can say nothing further.”

During the segment, Kiffin again denied telling a recruit that he would end up pumping gas like other South Carolina graduates, if the recruit went to play for the Gamecocks.

“No, there’s no way that I said that,” Kiffin said. “I wouldn’t say anything like that. First of all, if you look at, I don’t think that anybody pumps gas because everything is self-serve nowadays. There’s no full-serve stations, so I’m smart enough to not have said it because of that, number one. But number two, we don’t negative recruit.”

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lovinwk writes:

It was a secondary violation at most. Number 6, if it is. Hmmm. How many do the other schools have?

crappieking writes:

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rockytop#413695 writes:

in response to dma38256#264746:

Can watch the show here:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4238...

Is this the complete show? Seems like only a portion of the show. Could someone who watched it let me know. I forgot to set the recorder to get it. Darn!

FlaVol2 writes:

in response to checkerdpast:

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Are you jealous? Who do you pull for, Florida? Or is it Alabama?

tigervol77 writes:

ESPN must have a lot of Florida flunkies working for them! And as for KNS....You are slow at posting news! How many hours ago did this broadcast? I posted on here 1 min after it ended. Does that mean I get credit for breaking news?? It's only a secondary at best. Why didn't ESPN focus on why cry baby Myers would not interview??

volsn1 writes:

looks like ESPN IS THE GUILTY PARTY. THEY COMITTED THE VIOLATION

notoriousBIGorange writes:

Great exposure for the program. Who cares if it was a secondary violation. No recruits are going to care about that but they WILL remember CLK and the excitment around TN football. The only people that will care about whether or not it was a violation are the AL / FL trolls that visit this site.
FEAR THE KIFFIN !!

tigervol77 writes:

in response to checkerdpast:

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The only thing I got off OTL about Al Davis is that he is obviously the one who has snakes in his head, and skeletons in the closet. It was proof he is out to try to scar Kiffin's name. Al Davis is a crook! If you could not see that then you must be a crook too!

PrideOfTheSouthlandBand writes:

From what I can tell, that was a pretty good recruiting tool. I'll take a slap on the wrist for a cornerback anyday.

PepperGrinder (Inactive) writes:

Not suprising. The last time Kiffin was on ESPN they tried to get him to commit a violation. So I say F@#% ESPN.

tigervol77 writes:

in response to Agent_Orange:

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This is very true.....maybe it was a set up!

govols1295 writes:

ESPN has never liked TN. They just set him up for this one. Plus it's a secondary violation everybody gets them.

volmeister writes:

in response to dma38256#264746:

Can watch the show here:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4238...

Kiffin got those recruits on ESPN, I guarantee you they were thrilled. That is worth a slap on the wrist.

wagee12 writes:

why didn't Hooker put his name on this, I bet his azz was burning trying to get to a computer. Entraped would be a better word than caught. So friggin, what, it's the same thing Auburn had to report last week when some recruits were shown on a local TV station at the log roll or whatever it was. Good to know though that the KNS has become nothing more than a foot soldier for ESPN. BTW, Gators, I'd be a lot more worried about the mounting number of arrests on your roster than an innocent 10 second piece of footage. Your lead for the Fulmer Cup is about to become insurmoutable.

mbible1utk#324980 writes:

i have pretty much zero concern about this one...

a.) It was ESPN who both filmed and aired the footage, not UT or the local media

b.) Secondary violation, and a pretty sad excuse for a violation

c.) Florida and USC are always in the news for something, and they've had success in recruiting. Atleast we aren't having to bail our guys out of jail (like Florida) or getting called on major violations (like USC). I'll take that any day of the week

d.) Kiffin said something Phil never would have said. Who cares what every other school's fans think... he wasn't hired for them.

I couldn't care less what the trolls want to think. Let them get hung up on that, we'll be reeling in the Bryce Brown types in the world.

chad_t31 writes:

I agree with most of u...about espn and kns! If no media is allowed, then why the heck was espn there?! It's one of two things..either they are trying to get us in trouble or the excitement being brought to tn can't even keep espn away. U know they aren't doing us any favors by being there! Have they purposely tried to bury any other schools?! If it weren't for the spelling bee, I personally would never watch espn again, lmao!!!

Elkabong1940 writes:

The reporters are still harping about the "pumping gas" statement. Kiffin said he did not say that. Even the recruit he is supposed to say it to said "Kiffin did not say that." Enough already!

BigOrangeCrazy writes:

Not sure if anyone has seen the new Football Time magazine but here's a song by Steve Lawrence that was on the back page. Good stuff, if you're a UT or Johny Cash fan.
BTW, if anyone finds a video please post the link. Here's the lyrics.

I see the train a comin'
It's rolling down the track
It's headed up to Rocky Top
And it ain't comin back

We're getting on the Lane Train
for Knoxville Tennessee
When we pull into the station
We'll build a football team

When I was just a baby
My daddy said to me
You've gotta be a Volunteer
That's all you need to be

I'm jumpim on the Lane Train
for Knoxville Tennessee
When we pull into the station
We'll make some history

Well the train whistle's blowing
I can hear it loud and clear
So get aboard the Lane Train
With a brand new engineer

We're rollin' up to Knoxville
...the Kiffin calvary
Ole Smokey's at the station
Rocky Top Tennessee

So get aboard the Lane Train
Rocky Top Tennessee

bd40pe writes:

If there was in fact an infraction ESPN is as much responsible as Tennessee. Especially if they knew about it beforehand and notified the NCAA before they aired the footage. The NCAA rules in regards to recruiting are in place to protect young high school players. ESPN can not reap the rewards of these huge TV deals and then take no responsibilty when they are involved in a violation of the rules.

chad_t31 writes:

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Yeah I'll respond to the troll. Not only are the points in ur post ridiculous, they are absurd. The one that sticks out the most is al davis being one of the most successful owners. Really??? C'mon, ur better than that. The raiders have been relevant once since the 80's. Part of being a successful owner is putting a quality team together. He's done it once in almost 30 years and to you, he's successful. Man I wish u were my boss.

rockytopman writes:

CLEARLY a ploy by espn... plain and simple. But hey, who cares. If they wanna show just how sorry they are, let 'em. CLK knows what he is doing, and it want be long till the rest of the SEC understands.

volfan7 writes:

in response to dma38256#264746:

Can watch the show here:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4238...

I watched this clip. Al Davis said Kiffin was fired because he engaged in propaganda and because of his tenedency to lie. He also complained of his continuously making excuses for his failure at Oakland. We have heard the propaganda and lies at Tennessee. There is at least some truth to Davis' claims. Kiffin even has his wife making excuses for him.

As far as the sixth secondary violation is concerned, all I can say is this: Scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal! I wish we had a Coach who could win and have at least a minimum of class. Kiffin has neither.

pdhuff#552644 writes:

in response to TCHDWN10C:

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Put in a call to Swayback and get back to us.

chad_t31 writes:

in response to TarHeelRulz:

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And then if duke wins it next year, u will be a blue devil fan...we get it.

SandyLoyCCM writes:

I watched the video, Al Davis' comments will only motivate Kiffin even more. There is nothing that will get the juices flowing more than an ex boss crticising you...I would trust Pete Carroll's comments much more than Davis'.

Overall, every clip I see of a practice shows me much more intensity than was there at practices under Fulmer. I was at some of those practices and I could talk to the person next to me in a normal voice...not at Kiffin's practices! WOW...as Majors said, that is how football is supposed to be practiced!

I can't wait till September! Go Vols!

embarssmentofriches writes:

in response to volsn1:

looks like ESPN IS THE GUILTY PARTY. THEY COMITTED THE VIOLATION

The burden is on the institution. NCAA bylaw is as follows...

13.10.1 Presence of Media during Recruiting Contact.
A member institution shall not permit a media entity to be present during any recruiting contact made by an institution's coaching staff member. Violations of this bylaw do not affect a prospective student-athlete's eligibility and are considered institutional violations per Constitution 2.8.1. (Adopted: 1/9/96, Revised: 1/14/97)

DennisVols writes:

The Orlando Sentinel reported that 24 of UF’s football players have been arrested since Meyer was hired in 2005. That is a 10% arrest rate (24 out of 239 players on the active roster) which is double the rate of the general population.
If the NCAA wants to be taken seriously then quit worrying about who had a camera pointed at CLK when he was legally talking to a recruit. Heck a cell phone may have been used to film it. By the way NCAA it is all the media hype that fuels the machine of college football which by the way pays your salary. The NCAA needs to address the issue of crimes being committed by student-athletes at universities such as UF at a rate higher than what the general public faces. The slapping of the hand treatment those coaches like Meyer uses to promote the “win at all costs” theory has to be stopped. These kids need to be dealt with stiffly and punished to a point that the next player will think twice about what they do before doing it.
The people living around the campus of UF have twice the chance of being attacked by a football player than anyone else. I guess if you win a NC in football the NCAA will turn its head and close its eyes to the fact that your players should be put in jail instead of the weight room.

MrKnoxville writes:

Notice in the video of the recruit in Lane's office, how Monte talks about how he loves how aggressive he is and Lane says that is your kind of DB.....either Lane wanted the kid and I assume his dad to see how much they wanted him and didn't care that ESPN was there in the office...only for this kid to turn on his TV and say OMF'nG I'm on ESPN in Coach Kiffin's office that is bad arse....or ESPN was there trying to just simply be negative.

CLK wasn't hired for the trolls or other schools in the country...so in the fashion of the Oakland Raider trash....F_ck all the Haters!

By the way...if Pete Carroll believes in Lane.....that is good enough for me.

OrangePride writes:

You know something ESPN, you guys are the absolute pits! I watched that stupid show you produced and it was about 20% positive (barely) and 80% negative. And surely, if they know enough to call attention to it, then they knew at the time it was a secondary violation and went ahead and aired it anyway. They must have had hours of tape that they edited, so why leave that in? It's rhetorical question, bloggers.....we all KNOW why. ESPN.......LOUSY JOB! I just hope LK and staff go out this fall and really shock some people in big games!

OrangePride writes:

Oh.....and by the way. LK and staff.....you may have passed the written test on NCAA rules, but you are failing the live test big time! READ AND LEARN THE DANG RULES GOOFAPOTAMUS!!

Pacemaker writes:

in response to volfan7:

I watched this clip. Al Davis said Kiffin was fired because he engaged in propaganda and because of his tenedency to lie. He also complained of his continuously making excuses for his failure at Oakland. We have heard the propaganda and lies at Tennessee. There is at least some truth to Davis' claims. Kiffin even has his wife making excuses for him.

As far as the sixth secondary violation is concerned, all I can say is this: Scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal! I wish we had a Coach who could win and have at least a minimum of class. Kiffin has neither.

I will remember your name after 3 yrs. If and I say If we have a great couple of recruiting classes and IF we have a rebounding season after this one....I dont want to ever see you on here again. Go to the Kentucky website and fight along side a real cheater!

MrKnoxville writes:

in response to DennisVols:

The Orlando Sentinel reported that 24 of UF’s football players have been arrested since Meyer was hired in 2005. That is a 10% arrest rate (24 out of 239 players on the active roster) which is double the rate of the general population.
If the NCAA wants to be taken seriously then quit worrying about who had a camera pointed at CLK when he was legally talking to a recruit. Heck a cell phone may have been used to film it. By the way NCAA it is all the media hype that fuels the machine of college football which by the way pays your salary. The NCAA needs to address the issue of crimes being committed by student-athletes at universities such as UF at a rate higher than what the general public faces. The slapping of the hand treatment those coaches like Meyer uses to promote the “win at all costs” theory has to be stopped. These kids need to be dealt with stiffly and punished to a point that the next player will think twice about what they do before doing it.
The people living around the campus of UF have twice the chance of being attacked by a football player than anyone else. I guess if you win a NC in football the NCAA will turn its head and close its eyes to the fact that your players should be put in jail instead of the weight room.

The NCAA should do something about this....but hey...its Florida....turn the head the other way...if it was UT, Bama, 'Canes, FSU, etc. they & the liberal media would be talking about this everyday...just like they are on these silly 2ndary nick nack violations.

And such is life.

OrangePride writes:

in response to RollTide987:

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Hey! Bamaboy!! It may be on the coach to have known better, but that does NOT absolve ESPN from its contribuatary part in this.

utclassof1992 writes:

in response to volfan7:

I watched this clip. Al Davis said Kiffin was fired because he engaged in propaganda and because of his tenedency to lie. He also complained of his continuously making excuses for his failure at Oakland. We have heard the propaganda and lies at Tennessee. There is at least some truth to Davis' claims. Kiffin even has his wife making excuses for him.

As far as the sixth secondary violation is concerned, all I can say is this: Scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal! I wish we had a Coach who could win and have at least a minimum of class. Kiffin has neither.

You are out of luck wishing for class out of Kiffin. All the Vol Nation cares about nowadays is winning, no matter what the cost. And dont make the mistake of mentioning our national-championship winning former coach. He is persona non-grata right now, no matter how much he did for UT. All these kids care about is "just win baby". They will wake up when the NCAA comes calling.

txvolsfan writes:

in response to gatorz7:

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Did the Gay-tors make it through the weekend with out an arrest?
I doubt it!!!

n2thecheckerboards2 writes:

in response to utclassof1992:

You are out of luck wishing for class out of Kiffin. All the Vol Nation cares about nowadays is winning, no matter what the cost. And dont make the mistake of mentioning our national-championship winning former coach. He is persona non-grata right now, no matter how much he did for UT. All these kids care about is "just win baby". They will wake up when the NCAA comes calling.

Still on Phils teet?????

utclassof1992 writes:

in response to n2thecheckerboards2:

Still on Phils teet?????

Beats the heck out of this clown.

teampenny#658108 writes:

Does any one know how many open scholarships we have? When he wins all will be forgiven. If he does not, we will be listening MH make excuse for five years or so. Go Vols

utclassof1992 writes:

I for one will never forget our national championship winning former head coach Phillip Fulmer. His last few years were tough, but every one of you owes him big time for the right to complain about going 8-4. He raised the bar here, and I for one am grateful.

Pacemaker writes:

in response to gatorz7:

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Here Gatorz......Top 10 will get you started!

http://loserswithsocks.com/2007/06/21...

secsecsec writes:

For what it is worth- my chief concern with Coach Lane Kiffin is that he says that all of his statements and/or actions are for PR for UT so that people are talking about UT. I hope that he is just trying to spin the negatives into positives- that is the best that he can do at this point. Surely he doesn't believe that bad press is better than no press. Michael Vick would beg to differ.

Many of us grew up in an era when class was preached and practiced by the coaches. We learned to deplore trash talking by the players- and dirty play. If the coach himself is leading the trash talk- and Coach Kiffin certainly has been- and is seemingly justifying it as "necessary". When the players begin to talk "smack" will that be OK with everyone too? Whatever it takes to get the headlines?

Another area of concern. NCAA violations are OK with fans now? Even secondary violations. Once committing violations become OK- surely more severe violations are to follow. Auburn is joining UT with the blatant secondary violations now as well- and their fans are cheering them on. This is insanity. Fans of UT and Auburn are cheering for cheating? Surely the NASCAR mentality of "if you aren't cheating you aren't trying" hasn't set in.

Is the good name of UT football worth being drug through the mud for a few more wins? According to the current leadership- it certainly is. And I watch in amazement as my fellow posters on this board cheers them on.

utclassof1992 writes:

in response to secsecsec:

For what it is worth- my chief concern with Coach Lane Kiffin is that he says that all of his statements and/or actions are for PR for UT so that people are talking about UT. I hope that he is just trying to spin the negatives into positives- that is the best that he can do at this point. Surely he doesn't believe that bad press is better than no press. Michael Vick would beg to differ.

Many of us grew up in an era when class was preached and practiced by the coaches. We learned to deplore trash talking by the players- and dirty play. If the coach himself is leading the trash talk- and Coach Kiffin certainly has been- and is seemingly justifying it as "necessary". When the players begin to talk "smack" will that be OK with everyone too? Whatever it takes to get the headlines?

Another area of concern. NCAA violations are OK with fans now? Even secondary violations. Once committing violations become OK- surely more severe violations are to follow. Auburn is joining UT with the blatant secondary violations now as well- and their fans are cheering them on. This is insanity. Fans of UT and Auburn are cheering for cheating? Surely the NASCAR mentality of "if you aren't cheating you aren't trying" hasn't set in.

Is the good name of UT football worth being drug through the mud for a few more wins? According to the current leadership- it certainly is. And I watch in amazement as my fellow posters on this board cheers them on.

Amen. I hope Lane will learn from all this, shut up, and rebuild the Orange.

FWBVol writes:

This violation is no more than the one associated with the TPing incident at Auburn. It's not big deal. That said, I can't believe ESPN wasn't aware of the rule and didn't mind setting Kiffin up. And I believe Kiffin should have been smart enough to know the rule.

txvolsfan writes:

I think as a whole the SEC should have never signed the contract with ESPN. UT is not the only SEC team they do not like, there are just not a lot of love for the SEC and I can't believe they constantly bite the hand that feeds them!!! They should be stuck with the Big 10 and see how that works out for their ratings!!!

Pacemaker writes:

in response to gatorz7:

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Really 10 is less than 24...thats why it said " get you started" hmmmm

learn to read the whole statement first. You must have clicked on the link and got all upset. By the way...at the bottom of the link there are an additional players. Remember "get you started"

Pacemaker writes:

in response to gatorz7:

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Sorry Gatorz, Never liked fulmer and never cared!

vol_chaz writes:

ESPN didn't have to show that clip, they knew what they had. We let them in to film on our turf, and it just happened to be during all of the camps we were hosting. They found controversy in the midst of a focusing on a team on the rise. Did Lane know they were filming at that point? From the rough editing, i submit that he didn't. First time, shame on you, second time.....

txvolsfan writes:

I bet the Magic are sure glad that Eddie Munster stayed in Gainesville. They would not have made the playoffs with Jr. coaching them and now they are in the finals!!!
He has proved he can't coach, he was just fortunate to catch lightning in a bottle one recruiting class and they stayed in spite of his poor coaching skills!!!

Weatherman writes:

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It's also been 0 days since we've had & maintain the national spotlight. Go Vols!

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