Secondary violations not primary concern for UT

Vols just barely ahead of SEC pack

Rules are mostly made to be broken.

Most everyone has heard the quote from great American General Douglas MacArthur.

But not all have heard MacArthur's quote it in its entirety: "Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind.''

Lazy is not a good thing when it comes to athletics and is certainly a frowned-upon characteristic when it comes to athletic compliance in the billion-dollar world of SEC football.

So it is that athletic director Mike Hamilton, caretaker of the University of Tennessee's $98.1 million athletic budget, keeps a close eye on all facets of his program.

"We have to be diligent about following the rules from day to day,'' Hamilton said. "I do believe it's inevitable in our industry, with the annual rulebook changes and the size of the rulebook (427 pages), that you will have some secondary violations.''

Secondary violations are relatively commonplace; they are considered inadvertent and mostly harmless. Major violations, by contrast, involve a willful breaking of rules or gross oversight, and are often accompanied by probationary periods and severe sanctions.

Hamilton said UT compares the number of secondary violations it has committed with other SEC schools each year.

"We're somewhere in the middle,'' Hamilton said, referring to the number of secondary violations committed in all scholarship sports over the past year in the SEC.

UT, however, leads most SEC schools in football-related secondary violations since Lane Kiffin was hired as coach on Dec. 1, 2008, according to information obtained through Freedom of Information requests by the News Sentinel. Tennessee has had six. Ole Miss is next with five.

Alabama and Auburn did not respond to the FOI requests and Vanderbilt, as a private school, is not subject to FOI requests.

Kiffin admits he has made some mistakes, but he does not believe the number to be over the top.

"We've had some secondary violations, but I don't believe it's an inordinate amount,'' he said. "They aren't deliberate, but unfortunately they happen.''

Most would have assumed Kiffin and his new, aggressive coaching staff would make a few mistakes while feeling their way through the SEC.

Few could have guessed, however, that ESPN's bright lights would be shining when Kiffin committed a violation during taping for an "Outside the Lines" special that aired June 6.

Kiffin welcomed a recruit into his office while the cameras rolled, and the footage was shown at the end of the special.

NCAA bylaws clearly state that media is not allowed to be present during a recruiting contact.

UT's compliance team didn't need to do much of an investigation before self-reporting the latest of Kiffin's six violations in seven months on the job.

"We gave complete access to our program to ESPN, so Lane was miked-up for two or three days non-stop,'' Hamilton explained. "This obviously occurred during those couple of days.''

ESPN's Web site, in promoting the "Outside the Lines" program, asked, is Kiffin "a careless maverick or (is) this part of his plan.''

In the eyes of the NCAA and its interpretation of the rules, it makes a difference.

"The definition of a secondary violation is that it is isolated and inadvertent,'' said SEC associate commissioner Greg Sankey, who has worked with governance and compliance issues in the league since 2002.

"So the matter of it not being inadvertent or knowingly committed would certainly raise the question by definition of the bylaw.''

The answer to that question could result in a major violation.

Tennessee has built a great deal of equity in the college football world since the SEC expanded in 1992, winning at a proud clip, producing NFL players like few other schools and all the while avoiding being put on probation because of a major rules violation.

"We take compliance and NCAA rules very seriously, and we have had a tradition of running a clean program,'' Hamilton said. "We believe this is one of those places you can win without bending the rules.''

That perception has become endangered, as evidenced by a recent Florida Times-Union Web site headline which read: "UT's Lane Violation.''

Kiffin has largely ignored his critics, at most, shrugging in their direction.

The 34-year-old coach - youngest in the BCS Conference ranks - said his controversial statements aimed at other SEC programs have been calculated.

It's part of what appears to be a successful plan to gain more national attention and improve recruiting.

Hamilton stands behind Kiffin's concept, citing the influx of excitement and energy that has flowed through the Tennessee football program since the hire was made on Dec. 1, 2008.

"I'm excited about the direction of our football program,'' Hamilton said. "Unquestionably, we have a lot of energy around our program. I can see that in the recruiting process.''

Hamilton also points out that under Kiffin, UT has been "fortunate to have one of our best GPAs we've had in a long time,'' and "discipline problems off the field have been managed the right way.''

Kiffin believes those are key elements of what he's trying to accomplish in addition to returning the Vols to their winning ways.

"When I judge a program, especially in its first year, I look at what's important and that's how the student-athletes are doing off the field,'' he said. "The facts that our football team had its highest GPA in four years last semester and it's been seven months and we haven't had an arrest are very powerful statements about what we are trying to do at Tennessee.''

Hamilton does not believe Kiffin's calculated actions have included intentional acts of committing secondary violations.

"Where I would become concerned is if we have a consistent pattern of secondary violations, or if we get to a place where I believe we have intentionally violated the rules,'' he said. "But I think we are talking about mistakes that have been made along the way. I don't think in any situation there was an intentional violation of a rule.''

With a seemingly proliferation of secondary violations being committed across the board in college football, some higher profile than others, fans have been left to sort out much for themselves.

Many talk radio callers have asked, "If there's not a penalty or punishment involved, who cares?''

Sankey warns that such logic is too close to the flame.

"I understand there's a risk-reward evaluation that takes place, but that may not be properly placed,'' he said.

"We take those issues seriously, there are actions included on each. Some of those may be corrective without penalties, and others there are penalties.''

Those could range from a letter of reprimand to the loss of recruiting opportunities.

"Any time you commit a violation,'' Sankey said, "you put yourself at risk. Period.''

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Comments » 47

hotrodvol writes:

This isn't bama!!!
Big difference.

kiffownsfla writes:

F@#k espn! GO VOLS!

kiffownsfla writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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You love the vols you are always here posting runnin your cork sucker ALWAYS! YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM THAN CLK HIMSELF GO TO BED DAM!

gatorzwearstebowpanties writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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hillsborovol writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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Here are the SEC schools ranked according to all-time major violations: Auburn (7), Georgia (6), Kentucky (6), MSU (5), Alabama (4), Florida (4), South Carolina (4), Arkansas (3), Ole Miss (3), LSU (2), UT (2), and VU (1). Here's the source for this info: http://crimsonaudio.net/media/NCAA_ma...

CSS reported that Ohio State committed 395 secondary violations over the past nine years.

Which of these schools are you holding up as a model for UT to emulate?

swampbuggy writes:

Over the past year Florida has reported two secondary violations, UT has comitted 6 since December. But that's okay because for some reason ut feels rules are "made to be broken". It's okay Lane, the rules are for the rest of us, not you!

CoverOrange writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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What page is that rule on again?

MrBamSeydu writes:

in response to kiffownsfla:

F@#k espn! GO VOLS!

Amen to that!!!

How is it that we give ESPN full behind the scenes coverage of our football program and they use it against us to get us in trouble???? They could've easily edited out that part and not used that in their airing!!!! ESPN is based in Connecticut...... friggin' yankees!!!!

KiFFiNOMiCS writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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I've notice that YOUWHINEALOT.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to MrBamSeydu:

Amen to that!!!

How is it that we give ESPN full behind the scenes coverage of our football program and they use it against us to get us in trouble???? They could've easily edited out that part and not used that in their airing!!!! ESPN is based in Connecticut...... friggin' yankees!!!!

The violation occurred the instant the kid walked into the room, regardless of whether the cameras were rolling or not. Had ESPN edited it out, Mikey would still have had to report it.

TennesseeTuxedo writes:

Yawn. Griff is still riding old paint off into the sunset. The problem is, old paint has been taken to the glue factory.

Volfan1 writes:

Ignore the Florida Times-Union and it's "Lane Violation" headline. It's a subsidiary of UF. Hardly objective and extremely biased. It plays to the base of it's readers (mindless Gator fans)....which seems to be dwindling.

tums writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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That is quite the whining post. It's funny when people try to point something out yet do it more often themselves. Kiffin asked jeffrey about it and Jeffrey said that Kiffin didnt say it. The kid either has no balls or lied. And on an end note, hwo would that be a violation anyway?

VOLFORLIFE writes:

in response to uf2006bcs1:

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Just the fact that so many gay-tor "fans" spend every waking minute on a Vols site is proof enough. Y'all are clearly enamored with the Vols and our top-notch, energetic staff and, might I add, just a bit worried. I wonder how much time you spend spewing your bile on a Vandy, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, or other SEC schools' sites? None? Didn't think so. So why here? I think we all know the reason for that, and it isn't about secondary violations. It's about the train coming around the bend, and you all know you're squarely in the middle of the tracks and can see what's about to happen. Maybe not this year, but soon, and you're having a hard time dealing with it.

GO VOLS!!!
JUGHEAD

kiffownsfla writes:

in response to MrBamSeydu:

Amen to that!!!

How is it that we give ESPN full behind the scenes coverage of our football program and they use it against us to get us in trouble???? They could've easily edited out that part and not used that in their airing!!!! ESPN is based in Connecticut...... friggin' yankees!!!!

Great point MBS LOL GO VOLS!

kiffownsfla writes:

in response to VOLFORLIFE:

Just the fact that so many gay-tor "fans" spend every waking minute on a Vols site is proof enough. Y'all are clearly enamored with the Vols and our top-notch, energetic staff and, might I add, just a bit worried. I wonder how much time you spend spewing your bile on a Vandy, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, or other SEC schools' sites? None? Didn't think so. So why here? I think we all know the reason for that, and it isn't about secondary violations. It's about the train coming around the bend, and you all know you're squarely in the middle of the tracks and can see what's about to happen. Maybe not this year, but soon, and you're having a hard time dealing with it.

GO VOLS!!!
JUGHEAD

V4L very true they are so JEALOUS OF MK THATS THE MAIN PROB FOR THEM .THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAD THAT MAN. OF COURSE THEY WILL SAY HE IS OLD AND WASHED UP. JUST NORMAL DISRESPECTFUL EVERYDAY GATOR WAYS. dont care what they claim the vile spitters are scared to death Period. GO VOLS!

hillsborovol writes:

in response to uf2006bcs1:

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Gee...I thought this comment section allowed the reader to add information. I apologize for failing to stick strictly to the information given in the article. Tell Mr. UF...you tell me not to live in the past...just which of these violation did not occur in the past? What an ignorant comment. And on the major violations...I merely added some stats that were more important (major violations), although Ohio State's 395 secondary violations I hope satisfy your criteria. Bama has been close to receiving the death penalty. When was the last time UT was banned from bowl games, victories were pulled, or TV coverage banned? Never. How many times has your beloved Florida football team been banned from post season? When the UT football team gets banned, then you have room to talk. The NCAA defines secondary violations as inadvertent or isolated incidents that don’t produce a significant recruiting or competitive advantage. Such violations are commonly self-reported by schools to the NCAA. Georgia had 15 secondary violations from July - December 2008. Where is your outrage at that?

txvolsfan writes:

in response to swampbuggy:

Over the past year Florida has reported two secondary violations, UT has comitted 6 since December. But that's okay because for some reason ut feels rules are "made to be broken". It's okay Lane, the rules are for the rest of us, not you!

Let's look at arrest little girl!!!

panties4tebow writes:

UTWINSALOT when Coach Kiffin & Company get the train moving in September and the train wreck will happen in felon university/panties field shortly. That will be the end of the pantie clad trolls and they know this that is why they are so fearful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go cry with your cryin, lying, cheatin coach aka PEE WEE HERMAN YOU gator FREEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
VOLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Volfan1 writes:

in response to uf2006bcs1:

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Florida Times-Union Daily Circulation -
155,590 in 2007
144,390 in 2009.

Do the math.
The T-U is also now smaller in size and more expensive.
Go back to your gator fish wrapper.

kiffownsfla writes:

in response to BIPOLAR_BEAR:

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Booker say whats up BIG.I see that txs slime prong horn was back last night wished I could of got some jabs on that cream PUFF LOL! GO VOLS!

smokyredbone writes:

in response to uf2006bcs1:

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antoher illiterate turd fan,don't they a least teach you ignorant f*gs how to use spell check,damn! GO VOLS!!!

smokyredbone writes:

ANOTHER!!!! LMFAO!! OOPS I USED THE TURD SPELLING!

volsfannsc writes:

Seems to me the words 'NCAA Violation' cause our ears to perk up and start damning. The NCAA is tough and should be- the bottom line is we are dealing with kids and their development, but some of the guidelines used as secondary violations are ridiculous. I understand the intent but there is no judgmental reasoning involved. Major violations all appear to be well reasoned. I think the NCAA has become too 'knee-jerk' in it's writing of rules. Let's face it- college football has become big money and the NCAA wants their hand in it as a major player.
Most states driving laws are much less than 427 pages. Any law enforcement officer will tell you that the average person commits two violations every five miles. My point being is that the NCAA has placed themselves in a position to govern every aspect of the student athlete and there comes a point where they are over the top. Keep in mind it wasn't until this year that it became okay for a fan to give a player fruits and nuts without there being a rules infraction. Grandma showing up with cookies for junior who happens to be on the team is still a no-no. Is it me or has the NCAA become anal retentive? Is it me or have we as fans become too dependent on violation reports? Is it me or has ESPN become too dependent on them as well. A little more common sense (which our society now seems to have lost) about the true aspects of college football sure is needed. KNS needs to write articles worth reading and we as readers show know what is important about our programs without the dredged up sensationalism.

hillsborovol writes:

in response to A_VOICE_OF_REASON:

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When Pearl discovered Illinois cheating, he turned them in. Shortly afterwards, the NCAA put the Illinois basketball team on probation. Yes, he was black-balled for that, but who had the higher moral standing? I suppose if I witnessed a robbery and reported this to the police, I would be IMMORAL for doing so??? Maybe I'm missing your point, but if not, then it is your sense of morality that is suspect here. Information obtained from oppposing coaches are very commonly the source of information that initiates NCAA investigations. In your moral world, everyone would simply keep their mouth shut and let other schools cheat at will.

wagee12 writes:

Haw, haw, leave it to Hatchman Griff to quote a Florida paper in the piece. All Tennessee fans and alums are wise to your game now Griff, so peck away on that keyboard but the question of the day is this, "If Griff does another hit piece and nobody pays any attention to it, is there any sound?"
It's also unfortunate that this comment section always seems to be infested with pests, bugs, and rodents who, apparently, don't have a board for their own team where they can go post.
The bottom line on these cowards who come here and hide in cyberspace is this, they are afraid of Lane Kiffin, they see how he is recruiting big time players to Tennessee and they would really like to see him gone before he builds the Big Orange back into a national powerhouse.

Oenoboy writes:

in response to A_VOICE_OF_REASON:

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That time will come for all?

What an idiotic statement. You have no clue about what you seem to think you know a great deal.

Also, why bring others' politics into the discussion unless it is to simply incite an argument. You sir are a troll. Please crawl back into your hole.

txvolsfan writes:

in response to A_VOICE_OF_REASON:

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I'll take the Bible over college football anyday!!!
Not even a close second

Praise God
TXVOLSFAN

snowvol writes:

In two or three years, no one will remember any of this because this football program will finally be back to elite-level status. What Kiffin's done to this point is give us major pub. Not all of it has been good. Then again, the so-called "bad" pub hasn't been bad at all. Those from rival schools want to paint it that way. Fair enough. They (the Floridas, Bamas, etc.) would much prefer the Vols stay below the Mendoza line. And let's face it, we've been there for about 10 years now. This just in: Those days are rapidly coming to an end.

Say good-bye to Mendoza. It may not be this year, but good-byes are never easy.

TommyJack writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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Can't wait til KNS installs the "poof" button. You will be a large puff of smoke.

the10sevol writes:

in response to Volfan1:

Florida Times-Union Daily Circulation -
155,590 in 2007
144,390 in 2009.

Do the math.
The T-U is also now smaller in size and more expensive.
Go back to your gator fish wrapper.

i think he/she was mistakenly debating whether the population of "mindless gator fand" was dwindling. it's not. but apparently fewer of them can read.

the10sevol writes:

oops, fans. dang moving keys...

GREATVOLSAFIRE writes:

"poof" will be nice! GO VOLS!!!!

TommyJack writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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The button is not about wins, pal. It's about you and your useless drivel.

chargervol writes:

in response to MrBamSeydu:

Amen to that!!!

How is it that we give ESPN full behind the scenes coverage of our football program and they use it against us to get us in trouble???? They could've easily edited out that part and not used that in their airing!!!! ESPN is based in Connecticut...... friggin' yankees!!!!

And just think, the SEC has just signed a big t.v. package deal with ESPN. When they show up for gameday, when they like for the nation to see all of the fans behind them, I say we fans stand elsewhere. Let them say things about us, they're going to anyway. Or, hold up signs saying things like: Let's see if ESPN can be civil towards the best fans in the country(VOLS) for once. I don't think that they can do it, it would hurt too much. Wait until the Vols start going and winning BCS bowls every year, what are they going to do? Whinealot like all the other SEC teams and fans. GO VOLS!!!

ctownvol writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending? My daddy always said "it takes a smart fellow to play that stupid" You must be a certifiable genius!

crimsonviper writes:

in response to ctownvol:

Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending? My daddy always said "it takes a smart fellow to play that stupid" You must be a certifiable genius!

it's taking him a while to answer dude.he knows it is a loaded question,yet he MUST respond.we shall see.

ctownvol writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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I didn't respond to your question to TJ. I just used the reply button to make sure you read my question to you. Now c'mon and give me an answer. Are you REALLY as stupid as you appear to be or are you, in fact, a genius just playing stupid?

TommyJack writes:

in response to ctownvol:

I didn't respond to your question to TJ. I just used the reply button to make sure you read my question to you. Now c'mon and give me an answer. Are you REALLY as stupid as you appear to be or are you, in fact, a genius just playing stupid?

He's lonely, friendless, useless, AND stupid. Poof!! Bwahahahaha

highVOLtage writes:

"Alabama and Auburn did not respond to the FOI requests and Vanderbilt, as a private school, is not subject to FOI requests."

Perhaps UT should take that approach and just not tell you anything. Why did Alabama and Auburn not respond?

txvolsfan writes:

in response to A_VOICE_OF_REASON:

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Bruce broke NO rules!!!
He turned in a rule breaker

Get your facts straight before you run your mouth!!!
It means a lot more when you know what you are talking about.

txvolsfan writes:

in response to hillsborovol:

When Pearl discovered Illinois cheating, he turned them in. Shortly afterwards, the NCAA put the Illinois basketball team on probation. Yes, he was black-balled for that, but who had the higher moral standing? I suppose if I witnessed a robbery and reported this to the police, I would be IMMORAL for doing so??? Maybe I'm missing your point, but if not, then it is your sense of morality that is suspect here. Information obtained from oppposing coaches are very commonly the source of information that initiates NCAA investigations. In your moral world, everyone would simply keep their mouth shut and let other schools cheat at will.

That's tight CC.
I agree 1000%

txvolsfan writes:

in response to utwhinesalot:

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He does face male sports fans, that is why little gurlz like you don't add anything!!!
ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA

gatorzwearstebowpanties writes:

in response to A_VOICE_OF_REASON:

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Voice I have to agree with you. ESPN did not help you avoid your stupidity

kiffownsfla writes:

Get lamaison.

VolBall writes:

Last

ctownvol writes:

in response to JustWaitTilOct24Kif:

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You're a Bama fan and you have the nerve to call ANYBODY cheaters? Speaking of sad and pathetic. You should shut up wile you're behind.

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