Horne's time at UT ends after confrontation with Raleigh

Tyler Horne’s baseball career at Tennessee is apparently over, following a disagreement with coach Todd Raleigh earlier this week.

Horne, a junior third baseman, and Raleigh both confirmed the incident that took place on Tuesday night in UT’s 5-4 win at Middle Tennessee State.

“I don’t want to say anything derogatory toward Coach Raleigh,’’ Horne said Friday.

“The coaching staff in general has been great to me. Coach Raleigh and I just don’t see eye to eye.’’

The incident occurred after Horne struck out to end the Vols’ first at-bat. The ball got past the catcher but Horne said he didn’t see it and didn’t try to run out the play to first base.

“An honest mistake,’’ he said.

Raleigh said after an animated confrontation, he told Horne to leave the dugout and go to the bus. Mike Corn, director of baseball operations, then drove Horne to the team hotel in Nashville.

Raleigh said he intended to have a UT staff member drive Horne back to Knoxville on Wednesday morning — the team was staying for the series at Vanderbilt. Horne, however, arranged a flight from Nashville to Knoxville and left on his own.

“He’s not a bad kid,’’ Raleigh said, adding that he was willing to help Horne toward getting drafted.

Horne said he plans to finish his degree at UT next spring and possibly work in the Knoxville area.

A transfer from Shelton State Community College, Horne batted .299 and hit 10 home runs. He started 37 games.

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voloffaith writes:

Did some one from dugout yell passed ball? Did he look to see if catcher had ball? Said didn't see it . Did he see catcher scrambling for misplayed ball? My feeling is that this was not a one time incident that gets one off the team. Or being sent home was the last straw in an ongoing difference of opinions.

Shame couldn't work it out. His numbers were decent. Best wishes and go VOLS beat the Dores again!!

steelersman42 writes:

seriously, why do so many Florida fans hang around here all the time? I don't hang around Gators message borads and stuff...

voloffaith writes:

in response to steelersman42:

seriously, why do so many Florida fans hang around here all the time? I don't hang around Gators message borads and stuff...

They want to be ugly and frustrate VOL fans. Gator99 or 99gator whichever it is usually does not try to incite but actually do real dialogue.

We don't hang around theirs because as a general rule we have more class and don't get off on taunting them about basketball etc. I know futbol has been woeful as another reason.

BTW Florida fans we are going to suggest removal of you if you keep going OFF TOPIC! The rules stipulate commenting has to be ON TOPIC!!

This article was about UT baseball of which none of your comments had anything to do with...comprende(SP)?

So play by the rules or we will SUGGEST REMOVAL til the cows come home and the gators go home...

GO VOLS BEAT DOWN THE DORES!!!

volnknox writes:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

UTandETSUfan writes:

in response to volnknox:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

I agree, I'll trade Horne for Raleigh any day.

Volunatic writes:

Kind of sounds like Raleigh was being childish.

golfballs03 writes:

in response to volnknox:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

You might be on to something...

BTW, even when Delmonico was at UT I knew several players who couldn't stand him. What is the deal with all this bickering?

VolInIndy writes:

in response to steelersman42:

seriously, why do so many Florida fans hang around here all the time? I don't hang around Gators message borads and stuff...

I wouldn't generalize and say Florida Fans in general but it is obvious that these few have no life, are probably very insecure people who acn only feel good about themselves by trying to put other people down anonymously. You know the type ...remember that creepy kid in the ninth grade that you know was psycho and was voted Most Likely to Become a Serial Killer. Yeah, remember the time the linebacker said "Boo" to him and he wet himself?

TommyJack writes:

in response to VolInIndy:

I wouldn't generalize and say Florida Fans in general but it is obvious that these few have no life, are probably very insecure people who acn only feel good about themselves by trying to put other people down anonymously. You know the type ...remember that creepy kid in the ninth grade that you know was psycho and was voted Most Likely to Become a Serial Killer. Yeah, remember the time the linebacker said "Boo" to him and he wet himself?

Clearly, there's only 1 real gator fan on here. The others are poser-troll hired hands.

Voluvr writes:

You don't solve an attitude problem with an attitude. If something would have happened to that kid outside during his leaving the team during the roadtrip, the coach and the university would have been responsible. Pretty dumb.

I think the "was willing to help to get him drafted" was a gig by the coach saying look what you're walking away from.

I'm sure there's two sides to it, but how do you lose your third baseman that bat's 300 on a disagreement?

Voluvr writes:

Horne, get back over there to the team, suck it up, and play the game; and I'm not talking about baseball.

My point, don't let an uptight coach like him run you off.

gwbask writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Clearly, there's only 1 real gator fan on here. The others are poser-troll hired hands.

why respond to them or even mention their posts. The only way to clear them out is not to respond to them at all and encourage the whole board to do so also. They moght have 1/2 of the posts or responses and it is always garbage or to start meaningless arguments.

staf101#341843 writes:

in response to volnknox:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

YES! A looser.

UTandETSUfan writes:

in response to Voluvr:

Horne, get back over there to the team, suck it up, and play the game; and I'm not talking about baseball.

My point, don't let an uptight coach like him run you off.

Seriously, its not like Raleigh is going to last that much longer anyways. lol.

And to expound upon my earlier post, I would also trade Raleigh for 20 bucks. Or a pizza. Hell I'd take a baseball for him.

bhs120 writes:

Raleigh is the cancer, not Horne

voloffaith writes:

in response to gator4life:

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I DID STAY ON TOPIC! I said,"BEAT DOWN THE DORES!" We are playing Vandy the commoDORES sir. I was on topic UT baseball.

gohawks1 writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Clearly, there's only 1 real gator fan on here. The others are poser-troll hired hands.

"And He was asking him, 'What is your name?' And he said to Him, 'My name is Legion; for we are many." - Mark 5:9

chrisw2967 writes:

I think the wrong person got on the flight back to knoxville.Raleigh is the one who needs to go.Horne probably had all he could take from this clown.Id say this will be Raleighs last year.

Orangeblood13 writes:

coach is a smuck, confronting him like that in front of everyone, not a good decision. Offering to help him in the draft, I really haven't seen anyone this coach has had be of signifigance in the draft position.

time for a change, just a thought

yabadabadoo1026 writes:

in response to Volunatic:

Kind of sounds like Raleigh was being childish.

childish to be irate at not executing basic fundamental???as another said one such instance of lack of effort doesnt get one thrown off a team

you guys condemn the guy for being a bad manager and then condemn him for having expectations of the stuff winning teams must have???------makes no sense

razin55 writes:

I agree with those that have said Raleigh should quietly end the season and leave town. I heard it from someone when we hired him that he was a real bad hire. I feel like that was more than just a feeling but a fact now. Please Mike be swift and remove him from our athletic program. He is not a Div. 1 coach.

batrat writes:

The truth will come out. Tyler Horne is as close to the "perfect" respresentative any sport would want and exactly what UT should be recruiting to represent the university. He came with a 4.0 GPA and very high credentials. Every time I have had the opportunity to speak with him he has been the epitomy of a fine southern boy, manners, presentation, and clean cut. If anyone heard Tyler during his interview as Player of the Game on May 14 you will agree the guy interviewed "off the cuff" with ease and confidence: giving praise to God, admitting he had went through a rough period, and praising his team mates. The truth about what happened in the dugout will be revealed. Lesson for you Raleigh: Respect - you have to give it to get it. Raleigh you have alot of work ahead of you - perhaps anger management classes are a start. Tyler- thanks for your contribution, good luck- I hope you make it professionally.I would watch every game!

FWBVol writes:

Raleigh has done nothing in two years to indicate that he can get the job done.

I would love to see the Vols go after Ole Miss assistant coach Rob Reinstetle. I got to know Rob when he was an assistant JUCO coach in Florida, and the guy is the real deal. Just go to the Rebel baseball site and look up his credentials.

rich182x writes:

What is Baseball?

ALL_VOL75 writes:

Past time for Raleigh and Carmen(the joke of an Asst. AD who hired him) to pack their bags and go! No Class

PumpVOL writes:

Thank you KNS for once again making a big deal out of absolutely nothing at all.

sayhitomaggie writes:

Well that's a shame. He was one of the cuter ones.

posivol writes:

in response to slovog:

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BINGO

TomMorello writes:

"Raleigh said after an animated confrontation, he told Horne to leave the dugout and go to the bus. Mike Corn, director of baseball operations, then drove Horne to the team hotel in Nashville."

If I was Mike Corn I'd have a confrontation with Raleigh. Lets get an Asst. Coach from a power house (UNC, Rice, Arizona State, etc.)

The Hitchhiking story can only take a man so far.

TomMorello writes:

in response to razin55:

I agree with those that have said Raleigh should quietly end the season and leave town. I heard it from someone when we hired him that he was a real bad hire. I feel like that was more than just a feeling but a fact now. Please Mike be swift and remove him from our athletic program. He is not a Div. 1 coach.

Exactly.

At face value, this story sounds like he needs to be a gym teacher/ high school baseball coach somewhere.

Go to the bus!!!!

When you're Pat Murphy, Mike Fox, Wayne Graham you can do that. 21-37 in the SEC in 2 years coming from Cullowhee? Please.

hewwheel writes:

after meeting raleigh a couple of times this year, i couldn't agree more. hiring him was a terrible mistake and he needs to go. he has had horrible luck with the pitching staff, but i can't see how any 18 to 22 year old could possibly look up to and respect this man.

Pullingguard writes:

in response to volnknox:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

There is talk that Raleigh has hot temper.. Sure the player made a mistake, but was it b ad enough to send him back to Knoville and away from the dugout...dont think so...

vol98champ writes:

What is wrong with you people? Did you ever play baseball or anything? Maybe you or Horne never struck out. I don't think I have ever witnessed a strike out out and passed ball where the batter didn't attempt to run to first. Baseball lost scholarships because of Delmonico. I don't know if Raleigh is the answer or not, but I would not tolerate a player who didn't attempt to get on base in that instance and I sure as H--- wouldn't tolerate someone who didn't like me pointing out his stupidity. We need players who want to win. This year's football team and baseball team for the most part only wanted to play.

TomMorello writes:

in response to vol98champ:

What is wrong with you people? Did you ever play baseball or anything? Maybe you or Horne never struck out. I don't think I have ever witnessed a strike out out and passed ball where the batter didn't attempt to run to first. Baseball lost scholarships because of Delmonico. I don't know if Raleigh is the answer or not, but I would not tolerate a player who didn't attempt to get on base in that instance and I sure as H--- wouldn't tolerate someone who didn't like me pointing out his stupidity. We need players who want to win. This year's football team and baseball team for the most part only wanted to play.

Please enlighten us on your baseball background.

us43137415#376444 writes:

In a big mixing bowl, first add some nuts, made up of SOME UT players, not all of them, who've been pumped up to believe they mini-gods strutting around, with a "you-can't-tell-me-anything" attitude (just when you thought Julio Borbon really left 2 seasons ago)........

Add a thick batter of coach (which comes pre-mixed), who treats the nuts like they're children needing to be disciplined instead of taught to be better, yelling at them in front of the other players instead of taking them aside, tries to describe every lousy play as a thing of beauty.......

Mix thoroughly, and leave the lumps in....

Add in a dash of frustration (not being able to hold onto leads in games, and not being able to catch up when they're way behind)....

In a smaller bowl, add in a few bright spots (Thurber, Hawn and a couple others), a new stadium expansion, and fans who adore the ground the players spit on)..... this sweetens the mixture...........

Pour all of that into the big bowl, which should make the mixture lumpier.. hold on to the bowl because at this point, people who think they are chefs are trying to back-seat cook......

Then, throw in a pinch of "time-is-running-out" (next year had better produce much better results).... WATCH OUT HERE..even a small pinch of this will produce fireworks.....

Put all of that in a cast-iron pot, and bake it at 500 degrees....... don't forget to scorch the crust, occasionally poking the nuts to see how thick-headed they are.........

For icing (this also comes pre-mixed), smear a package of "assistant coaches" who are apparently letting players dictate the tone of games, and who are neither checking on players and their personal lives, nor encouraging them to practice to their full potential (don't forget how thick-headed the nuts must be by now)...........

After the oven blows up, you'll have a pretty sorry-looking cake... lop-sided on the outside, tastes like phooey and smells to high heaven.

Watch to see if your dog tries to bury it, the cat tries to carry it off, or the goat tries to head-butt it.....

If they don't, deliver it to the other teams in the SEC (and also ETSU---they've had Tennessee's number for years)....... they'll all beat the stuffing out of it with a baseball bat..........

There you go......The 2007, 2008 and 2009 Tennessee Baseball Volunteers.

stayingorange writes:

Isn't this the same game Raleigh got thrown from for pitching a fit? I think Raleigh has imploded yet he expects the team to keep up the pointless charge. Whether he saw the passed ball or not and honestly even if this has been a lingering issue with Horne, I believe Raleigh is showing what the real problem is. Horne has been one of the bright spots on a dismal season and I really don't see the actions or attitude of the players as being a big problem, considering the struggles.

I started this season with high hopes after the opening win over Oregon St., but it quickly got off track. I've tried to agree that Raleigh needs more time, they're coming around, the stupid rate thing with scholarships, and all the other excuses, but honestly this move may be the last straw that makes me believe there is no hope for next year, or any other under this man's supposed "leadership."

Hope I'm wrong.

comshirt writes:

in response to volnknox:

I think Raleigh is the one who needs to be leaving the team, he is a horrible coach.

You are absolutely correct. He makes Delmonico look like Tommy Lasorda. Very poor hire.

The young man is a "STUDENT", he is not a professional athlete. In our recent programs, we have been more tolerant of shoplifters, drunk drivers and thugs than we were of this young man. Student athletes deserve better treatment than that, especially if they have been keeping their nose clean and attending class and staying off the police blotters in this fine paper!!! Best I remember he has not been arrested, in rehab, no test score scandals and he hasn't flunked out that I am aware of. Was he too clean for our men's program?

IF I were his father I would have a one on one with Coach Raleigh.

Mike Hamilton you need to check your men's athletic staff in general. This has been a year of embarrassment for the institution. The saga continues.

stayingorange writes:

I'll add that I think Horne's numbers speak for his ability and passion to play the game, which makes me think any lack of effort is likely more of a sign of Raleigh's lack of ability to motivate players. I wonder how many others don't "see eye to eye" with him, especially after this.

vols1986 writes:

this baseball coach got to go.. he is a joke, and who told him that he could coach.. I grew up with baseball and this man does not how to teach and coach and he talk to my kid like that I will get me a lawyer

beachvol1 writes:

Say what you want, even if this was not the first incident, you don't totally embarrass a player by sending him to the bus, or to the hotel...coach may have a problem also...not sure how long the program is going to settle for mediocrity in baseball....not being a revenue sport, guess they don't care....shame...

comshirt writes:

in response to Plasticman:

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Hamilton needs to cut the losses today. There does not need to be a tomorrow with UT in the same sentence with Raleigh. However, I think the inmates are running the asylum, I don't think Hamilton has the intestinal fortitude to admit a mistake and fire Raleigh now. I graduated from UTK in 1972 and I was not happy when they hired Doug Dickey back as AD. I am just now beginning to appreciate how wrong I was about Coach Dickey as an AD.

Come on Hammy man up!

TomMorello writes:

in response to beachvol1:

Say what you want, even if this was not the first incident, you don't totally embarrass a player by sending him to the bus, or to the hotel...coach may have a problem also...not sure how long the program is going to settle for mediocrity in baseball....not being a revenue sport, guess they don't care....shame...

100% correct

You bench him and chew him out in private. If he does not improve don't start him. It's that simple.

TomMorello writes:

Also, over the course of around a 70 game season one passed ball that he didn't run on shouldnt cause this much fuss.

If I'm in Horne's shoes and I'm playing hard then a honest mistake happens and that happens: I'm pissed, but you know we're all third party speculators. Something had to be going on behind the scenes.

If you have a football mentality in baseball as a manager, you're already beat. There is no room for butt chewing during a baseball game. It does zero good.

GOJO writes:

in response to vol98champ:

What is wrong with you people? Did you ever play baseball or anything? Maybe you or Horne never struck out. I don't think I have ever witnessed a strike out out and passed ball where the batter didn't attempt to run to first. Baseball lost scholarships because of Delmonico. I don't know if Raleigh is the answer or not, but I would not tolerate a player who didn't attempt to get on base in that instance and I sure as H--- wouldn't tolerate someone who didn't like me pointing out his stupidity. We need players who want to win. This year's football team and baseball team for the most part only wanted to play.

Yes, I played baseball at the semi-pro level, & was invited to walk on at U.T. many years ago, while attending there on the G.I. Bill, had a family & need to finish school in a hurry. Yes, I did strick out,& did not notice the catcher dropped the ball until it was too late. The coach told me I should always look back if I struck out & that was it.
When a coach does what Raleigh did in public, he needs an attitude adjustment.
His statement: "“He’s not a bad kid,’’ Raleigh said, adding that he was willing to help Horne toward getting drafted" was a dig at the kid in my opinion

ULTIMATEVOLUNTEER writes:

in response to gator4life:

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you need to change your name to GatorINeedToGetALife.

donniedem writes:

in response to gator4life:

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Ah....so you live in East Tennessee too!

rclarkfork#639958 writes:

"An honest mistake". That is his words. Back when I played baseball, if we made a bonehead mistake like that. we came back telling the coach and teammates, my bad or sorry guys. We certainly didn't argue with the coach when he pointed out the mistake. I know everyone doesn't like Raleigh as a coach and I have my doubts as well but the kid was wrong. You don't come back and argue with the coach when you are the one who made the mistake. He didn't notice it. Give me a break. That is something players learn at 13 or younger. You always look, especially when there is a pitch that can possibly be missed by the catcher. The kids today are swinging for the fences and to heck with running out a possible passed ball or wild pitch on a third strike. Every player has had that drilled in their head for years. This is college ball. The kid made a huge bonehead play and can't stand up and take responsibility. Raleigh may not have handled it well when the kid didn't take responsibility but I can tell you that there is not a good manager alive that would not be upset at this level of ball. If they weren't, they would not be much of a coach. If he started arguing with Raleigh, he got what he deserved. Sad the way spoiled college kids act and even sadder that a bunch of people want to hang the coach. This has nothing to do with bad coaching. If the kids play like that and it goes without the coach correcting them, why even have a coach. Just let them get out there and swing for the fences and if they don't knock it out, oh well, I'll just loaf til next time. An honest mistake my butt. Sounds to me like the kid is a spoiled brat.

kennypowers writes:

in response to vols1986:

this baseball coach got to go.. he is a joke, and who told him that he could coach.. I grew up with baseball and this man does not how to teach and coach and he talk to my kid like that I will get me a lawyer

Too bad you didn't grow up with an education. You sound like a complete idiot. I don't think we have to worry about your kid even making to the college level let alone requiring you to "get me a lawyer." But hey I'm just an ordinary guy with spectacular hair

OrangePride writes:

You know, I have spent this season somewhat supportive of Raleigh and his efforts to try and get a struggling program turned around. But the details of this incident just make me furious. Your the coach, CR!! You DON'T send your best third baseman to the bus and publicly humiliate him because of an incident of this nature!! This is a really fine young kid who could have helped this program. What this shows is that YOU have less maturity than the player. Well, I am now OFF your bus. Instead of next year, you have to go now. Let's get a coach in here who knows how to motivate and inspire these players. Let's get a coach in here who DOES NOT get thrown out of three games for childish behavior. Let's get a coach in here who knows how to develop pitching and attract great talents. Lets do it THIS summer!!

batrat writes:

in response to rclarkfork#639958:

"An honest mistake". That is his words. Back when I played baseball, if we made a bonehead mistake like that. we came back telling the coach and teammates, my bad or sorry guys. We certainly didn't argue with the coach when he pointed out the mistake. I know everyone doesn't like Raleigh as a coach and I have my doubts as well but the kid was wrong. You don't come back and argue with the coach when you are the one who made the mistake. He didn't notice it. Give me a break. That is something players learn at 13 or younger. You always look, especially when there is a pitch that can possibly be missed by the catcher. The kids today are swinging for the fences and to heck with running out a possible passed ball or wild pitch on a third strike. Every player has had that drilled in their head for years. This is college ball. The kid made a huge bonehead play and can't stand up and take responsibility. Raleigh may not have handled it well when the kid didn't take responsibility but I can tell you that there is not a good manager alive that would not be upset at this level of ball. If they weren't, they would not be much of a coach. If he started arguing with Raleigh, he got what he deserved. Sad the way spoiled college kids act and even sadder that a bunch of people want to hang the coach. This has nothing to do with bad coaching. If the kids play like that and it goes without the coach correcting them, why even have a coach. Just let them get out there and swing for the fences and if they don't knock it out, oh well, I'll just loaf til next time. An honest mistake my butt. Sounds to me like the kid is a spoiled brat.

Do we know that the arguement by Tyler was about the play? Or could he have had enough of the tyrant Raleigh and simply stood up for his own reputation in general? Sounds like Raleigh's history represents the self esteem problem - not Tyler Horne. And as for being a spoiled brat- google the kid. I couldnt find anything to make me think he was anything but a young man who came to Tennessee with a dream to play for the SEC and possibly move into professional ball. He actually had a choice - pursue a scholarship with football at UAB or baseball with UT-thats an athlete with discipline and heart. I hope you are not one of these mentalities that would have more compassion for a player who used drugs, got arrested, flunking out etc. and allowed them compassion. This seems like a good kid who Raleigh tried to ruin for his own satisfaction. And his words to help him get in the draft were another selfish self centered act to get a piece of the good for his own glory.

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