Accused players not welcome

Kiffin keeps trio on lockout 'until I get all the information'

Editor's note: Janzen Jackson, Mike Edwards and Nu'Keese Richardson are charged with attempted armed robbery. An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated the charge.

The waiting game continues.

Janzen Jackson wasn't watching film with the rest of the team Sunday, and Tennessee doesn't have any plans to let him.

Nu'Keese Richardson wasn't around to sneak in a workout, and the Vols aren't even letting him in the facility.

The same rules are in effect for Mike Edwards as well, and as the investigation into the roles of the three freshmen in last Thursday's alleged attempted armed robbery progresses, that status won't change.

For all intents and purposes, that seems to suggest an indefinite suspension whether UT coach Lane Kiffin calls it one or not.

"They won't play or practice until I get all the information in, because this is too critical," Kiffin said. "No way would we ever, with something like this possibly having happened, no way would we ever let one of those guys ever play for us. We don't let them come to the functions over here, meetings or practice or anything.

"I'm not calling it anything except for telling you that they're not part of any of our activities until we get more information in. There's no way I would ever let them be around our team and be around our functions with what's been said that may have happened."

The uncertainty mostly seems to be about the involvement of Jackson in the well-publicized arrests of last Thursday, and from an on-field perspective the Vols (5-5, 2-4 SEC) would certainly benefit from the return of the starting safety against Vanderbilt (2-9, 0-7 SEC) on Saturday (TV: ESPNU, 7 p.m.) at Neyland Stadium.

UT was repeatedly gashed for big plays in a 42-17 blowout loss at Ole Miss on Saturday, and with Jackson at the back of the unit for the majority of the snaps this season, nobody in the country had been better at avoiding them.

But with Jackson at home for the weekend and suspended the previous week against Memphis, the Vols have suddenly looked mortal defensively and have struggled at times to get off the field.

"Well, sure it is (frustrating)," Kiffin said. "You have three players that from a football standpoint were playing for us. Obviously one of them is a great player on defense, and going into the last two games we had given up the least explosion plays (20 yards or more) in the country. Well, there's a reason for that.

"We play Eric (Berry) down and play him back there, so anytime a play breaks he's the last line of defense. He hurts us from that standpoint. The other two were playing more and playing on special teams, so that hurts our depth there. That part is very frustrating."

There's also no definitive timeline for when that frustration might end.

Kiffin acknowledged speaking with all three players in some form since the incident occurred, but he obviously needs to hear more than their side of the story before making a decision he can officially classify.

"(There's) nothing different than before," Kiffin said. "We don't have all the information. Obviously if it comes out that what we hear happened did happen, it's something that we will take very seriously.

"But they're not in any of our activities, obviously they didn't go to the game with us, nor have they been in our facility or any of our meetings.

"We've got to make sure we have all the accurate information and know exactly what happened before we make any rash decisions."

At least temporarily the Vols appear to have made one. It just doesn't have a name.

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SanFranciscoVol writes:

Goodbye Losers!

Pdiddy10 writes:

we could really use jackson in the future. maybe nukeese can improve. usually, people like him do.
but if they are guilty, just a spec of guilt.
they are not allowed at the university of tennessee. and are not allowed to go to an sec school or a team that UT plays in the next five years. said and done. goodbye retards

mjw2e writes:

Based on the info that has been leaked, I wouldn't be surprised at Nuke and Edwards being dismissed and Jackson (if he really was inside at the time of the "incident") being suspended for the rest of the year and the bowl game...what an amazingly dumb choice of what to do when you're bored.

Pdiddy10 writes:

ut is no longer james stones top five.. we really could use a guy like him. or chaz green

but we need jeff luc. just RECRUIT! we are losing alot of key players

Richardutm writes:

It is better to lose with good people and class than to win with a team known for criminality.

ZTaylor writes:

At least one of the three just threw away MILLIONS!

Sad that these kids do not realize what an opportunity playing for the Big Orange is.

Orangeblood13 writes:

sure are a lot of lawyers in the world.....

VOLoom writes:

Every day it seems like crime in Knoxville is getting worse. We have plenty of our own criminals here, we don't need to import them from around the country.

TheFuj writes:

in response to VOLoom:

Every day it seems like crime in Knoxville is getting worse. We have plenty of our own criminals here, we don't need to import them from around the country.

Knoxville is getting worse for crime. KPD is a joke. Some good ones, but most spend time trying to increase funds as opposed to fighting crime. Not making a point about this incident just K-town in general.

Psychovol writes:

Good for CLK because UT shouldn't rubber stamp this kind of behavior. Let them go play for the Gators.

VolHooch42 writes:

Coach K keeps saying that they are waiting "to get all of the information in".
Question....why is this info gathering taking so long? It's not like they stood in the parking lot of Pilot for 2 hours and filled out a life insurance policy.
Maybe the Witch Doctor can get us some answers! :)

GO VOLS!

tngivem6 writes:

in response to BobKeslingSux:

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Makes me wish John Ward was still making the calls.
Hate that stupid "Checkboard"..
what if UT had nothing in the endzones, then what would BOB say?

jopad writes:

in response to compact2:

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What in the world does that mean? Are you saying it's better to recruit players of poor character, who embarras our University, and be winners on the football field, than to have people of good character representing UT?

oldQB writes:

It's great to see discipline for a change. Keep up the good job.

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DennisVols writes:

Really like Kiffin's approach in this situation. The players are basically suspended until all the facts are gathered.
He will kick all three off the team if the story unfolds as the media has presented it, but the media has a way of putting a spin on things to get a story out.
I have a feeling Jackson was not involved in the decision to attempt to rob the accusers. That is why he was let out of jail w/o having to post bail.
It is a shame to see kids with the talent and even more important the opportunity that these 3 had to go out and do something so totally stupid.
What they did was also selfish as they did not put the team first. There is no excuse for them being out at that hour during the season on a game week. Even if they were found not guilty of the robbery they should be punished because of the situation they placed the team in and the embarrassment to the university.
Keeping it Real
Go Vols!!!

huntined#565710 writes:

Man you got to know this has killed these kids parents and their whole family as well as their team members..

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

in response to compact2:

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I get where you're coming from with that comment, and I don't think you are trying to say that's okay. I get it, that's just the culture in the college game these days, and character no longer means as much as talent. Notre Dame recruits character, and it hasn't turned into championships. Until every college stops recruiting criminals, this is gonna happen, like it or not. Should they come back, no. Will they, maybe Jackson. Talent will win out every time over character, and Jackson has talent. Kiffin is waiting because he hopes that there will be some new info that makes it possible for him to spin it in his favor that he keeps Jackson.

VolHooch42 writes:

in response to DennisVols:

Really like Kiffin's approach in this situation. The players are basically suspended until all the facts are gathered.
He will kick all three off the team if the story unfolds as the media has presented it, but the media has a way of putting a spin on things to get a story out.
I have a feeling Jackson was not involved in the decision to attempt to rob the accusers. That is why he was let out of jail w/o having to post bail.
It is a shame to see kids with the talent and even more important the opportunity that these 3 had to go out and do something so totally stupid.
What they did was also selfish as they did not put the team first. There is no excuse for them being out at that hour during the season on a game week. Even if they were found not guilty of the robbery they should be punished because of the situation they placed the team in and the embarrassment to the university.
Keeping it Real
Go Vols!!!

Excellent post... The key sentence being that they were selfish and basically threw the team to the wolves.
It is imperative that whatever the outcome that it in no way resembles the previous "administration's" abysmal rule book on discipline. IE.: 5,400 strikes and your out.

GBO!

JethroBodine1980 writes:

in response to compact2:

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You joke'n right? 2 or 3 national championships?
I'll take what you're smoking...

Maybe Women's Field Hockey.

SanFranciscoVol writes:

Goodbye Losers. If Jackson was a passenger in the car, inside the store taking a leak, or anywhere other than his dorm, he's gone.

I like how everyone is trying to say he wasn't involved. Let's see how far you stretch it... BULL-MALARKY

Hit the road. We don't want you.

bill#1374014 writes:

It was essentially all on film from the 10 video cameras at Pilot. That and the statements from the victims pretty much tell the story. What other information is needed?

mbible1utk#324980 writes:

in response to TheFuj:

Knoxville is getting worse for crime. KPD is a joke. Some good ones, but most spend time trying to increase funds as opposed to fighting crime. Not making a point about this incident just K-town in general.

I know this is not football related, but Knoxville would benefit from having a Metro Police and Fire Squad, letting it cover all of the 865 area code.

pammyvol1000 writes:

Does anyone know what the text message said from Urban to Kiffen on the Nuke arrest?

swatvol writes:

in response to TheFuj:

Knoxville is getting worse for crime. KPD is a joke. Some good ones, but most spend time trying to increase funds as opposed to fighting crime. Not making a point about this incident just K-town in general.

Looks like KPD was doing their job that night.

beatlecakes writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Man you got to know this has killed these kids parents and their whole family as well as their team members..

We all saw the effect that it had on the team and coaches on Saturday. Ole Miss was not that good and we were not that bad. Flat, unmotivated coaching and effort from players. This was an action that pulls energy from the team and forces the coaches to spend time dealing with issues and not preparing for a game.

mattnchatt writes:

Jackson can be an accessory because he didn't call the police to report his teammates, IF he wasn't in on it. Sucks cause we need him on the field but my opinion is, treat it like a band aid, the faster you pull it off the better.

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

in response to SanFranciscoVol:

Goodbye Losers. If Jackson was a passenger in the car, inside the store taking a leak, or anywhere other than his dorm, he's gone.

I like how everyone is trying to say he wasn't involved. Let's see how far you stretch it... BULL-MALARKY

Hit the road. We don't want you.

You wish he was gone, but we all know better. Jackson has talent, and he might not play again this year, but next spring, he'll be on the field wearing orange. He's not going anywhere, and it has nothing to do with the fans. His degree of talent is why he'll stay. If you need proof that talent wins out, I can cite plenty of examples. Why delay on a decision if there wasn't a strong possibility that someone is staying? The spin doctors are preparing some feel-good excuse for why Janzen is still with the team, we'll all lament until he crushes people on the field again, and then all will be forgot because talent like that has a way of making people forget indiscretions. Everyone cried for the NFL to get rid of Ray Lewis, Michael Vick, Jamal Lewis, Leonard Little, etc., but it never happens because talent like that is always going to get either a pass or a second chance.

cooper65#432178 writes:

in response to TheFuj:

Knoxville is getting worse for crime. KPD is a joke. Some good ones, but most spend time trying to increase funds as opposed to fighting crime. Not making a point about this incident just K-town in general.

Based on what I've been reading from arrogant East Tennesseans on this forum, I thought crime only happened in Memphis. As a native Memphian, now living in Texas, I can say that Memphis has long had corrupt government and high crime, but I'm not convinced KTown is any better. Having said that, I hope Kiffin can instill discipline and run a winning, but clean program. I love the Vols and this hit me like a stiff blow to the solar plexus and I'm sure most Vol fans are dissappointed and literally sick to their stomach. Go Vols close this year out in style.

teampenny#658108 writes:

in response to Psychovol:

Good for CLK because UT shouldn't rubber stamp this kind of behavior. Let them go play for the Gators.

Vols should not throw stones. Three arrested for arm robbery during the season may have out done the Gators. I do not think our defenders could have stopped that Old Miss back with a gun!

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

Before I'm accused of being okay with becoming a reform school, let me just say that I think kicking the three of them off the team would be the best thing that could happen, but it won't. Jackson is too talented and they won't let him get away. They'll spin it and say that kicking him out would be tantamount to putting him in jail, that he never was involved, and he tried looking out for his teammates and was rewarded with cuffs. They'll say that it is in Jackson and the Vols mutual best intrest to try to move forward hand in hand. When they bring him back, they will shortly find out it was a mistake, then he'll be suspended for drug use, missing classes, violating team rules, etc., and they'll keep putting up with it and he'll become just another Pacman Jones that washes out of the league and reflects poorly on his school.

Ringside writes:

What a sad, sad story. Somewhere these young men missed out on an example of doing what is right and working as a team. Cannot afford for UT to become an individual team. We saw individuals the alst two years. I hope these young men get things straight in their heads, but consequences must follow actions as sure as night follows day.

SanFranciscoVol writes:

I'm not convinced that CLK is planning on keeping J.Jackson around.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I say by Tuesday all 3 are booted and asked never to return.

Ringside writes:

in response to BigOrangeGhostHunter:

Before I'm accused of being okay with becoming a reform school, let me just say that I think kicking the three of them off the team would be the best thing that could happen, but it won't. Jackson is too talented and they won't let him get away. They'll spin it and say that kicking him out would be tantamount to putting him in jail, that he never was involved, and he tried looking out for his teammates and was rewarded with cuffs. They'll say that it is in Jackson and the Vols mutual best intrest to try to move forward hand in hand. When they bring him back, they will shortly find out it was a mistake, then he'll be suspended for drug use, missing classes, violating team rules, etc., and they'll keep putting up with it and he'll become just another Pacman Jones that washes out of the league and reflects poorly on his school.

Thank you Jesus Christ.

steamboatticket#484773 writes:

in response to BobKeslingSux:

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I really don't get this. Bob and Tim do a great job. And that goes for Mike on the field. I cannot think of a better team of play-by-play announcers. We are lucky to have them.

mobilejmh#206049 writes:

I guess I have too much experience with 18 year old Soldiers and Airmen to be too surprised this happened...that experience also makes it hard to believe these three can't be redeemed. But, if the allegations prove true, for the sake of this program, they will have to find redemption somewhere else.

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

I would be okay if they were kicked off the team but allowed to stay enrolled, but since I think they would transfer, it would be pointless. I pray these kids find their way and become productive members of society, and I hope that the school doesn't write them off just because they are high profile. I know that their actions don't reflect well on the school, but I feel like if they weren't football players, this would be a non-story and they would be fine to pursue their education.

GerryOP writes:

in response to grvol:

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Two words to remember: Duke Lacrosse.

dwolfcreek#397971 writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Man you got to know this has killed these kids parents and their whole family as well as their team members..

You got that right , its a shame .

57TexasVol writes:

in response to VolHooch42:

Coach K keeps saying that they are waiting "to get all of the information in".
Question....why is this info gathering taking so long? It's not like they stood in the parking lot of Pilot for 2 hours and filled out a life insurance policy.
Maybe the Witch Doctor can get us some answers! :)

GO VOLS!

As CLK said, no "rash decesions" which means each one of them is entitled to due process. When the State's Attorney office decides to annouce their intent; That there is sufficient evidence to pursue the arrest charges, or lesser charges depending on the involvement of each, is when the decesion will be made "public."
IMO the decesions have already been made they are waiting on the State to formally annouce.

tlb78 writes:

in response to VolHooch42:

Coach K keeps saying that they are waiting "to get all of the information in".
Question....why is this info gathering taking so long? It's not like they stood in the parking lot of Pilot for 2 hours and filled out a life insurance policy.
Maybe the Witch Doctor can get us some answers! :)

GO VOLS!

possible reasons the info is taking so long to gather:
1) awaiting results of drug tests, given marijuana found in car and jackson already failed one.
2) this entire thing is too fishy. the victims not calling the cops, and why were they parked in a gas station parking lot? also, why rob a nissan sentra? my guess is these kids were there to sell drugs to the football players, and the players decided to rob them of the drugs. hence the phrasing "give us all you've got" and NOT "give us all your money."

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

in response to tweetdriver63#346474:

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No offense, but don't call into question my character or my love of the school. Yes, I'm skeptical because history shows that in the face of overwhelming evidence, there are plenty of kids who are given the benefit of the doubt. And if you think that he didn't commit a crime, just look into the law. He did. He was an accessory to attempted armed robbery. He walked onto the scene, and then fled with people who he knew had just attempted to rob some people. Tell me why that doesn't require spin? According to the letter of the law, that implies guilt. I'm not going to condemn him for being stupid, and if you'll read further, I hope for the best for him, but I'm not convinced that he needs to be a member of this team in the forseeable future. I'm afraid the he might be let back on the team without getting him some couciling and someone who can guide him in a better direction.

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

in response to tweetdriver63#346474:

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I hope he is innocent of knowing what was going to happen, but he's not innocent. I want him back, but I want him to understand what he did wrong, and I want him to be better from the experience. I have doubts, and I probably always will, but that is meaningless. What he does next is what matters most.

Stepchild_nFL writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Man you got to know this has killed these kids parents and their whole family as well as their team members..

That was apparent from the teams performance on Saturday.

BigOrangeGhostHunter writes:

in response to chupacabre:

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That is the most moronic thing I've ever seen on this site. You should have stopped typing after "career." You would have been better off, and so would the rest of us.

mlsoft#228820 writes:

in response to Richardutm:

It is better to lose with good people and class than to win with a team known for criminality.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the most preferable option would be to win with players with class and character.

I believe Coach Kiffin is establishing a program that will do exactly that, but it will not be overnight, nor a journey without some bumps in the road.

As much as I would like to retain a player with the physical qualities and ability of Jackson, I was pleased that Coach Kiffen came down strongly that any of them that were involved "will never play for us". That was a needed statement from him.

mlsoft

Ironcity writes:

in response to steamboatticket#484773:

I really don't get this. Bob and Tim do a great job. And that goes for Mike on the field. I cannot think of a better team of play-by-play announcers. We are lucky to have them.

You must not listen to the games. Bob is the worst announcer for a big time program anywhere in the country. He is a great guy but that can't be the criteria for calling a game. His down and distance calls and descriptive terms are plain awful. Bob is tolerable at basketball but I think you could find a dozen guys doing high school games in K town that could walk in next Saturday and improve on what Kessling does.

Sixteen writes:

in response to Plasticman:

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Hey Barney, Memphis is land locked by MS. and Ark. so those "per capita" figures do not take into account the true population of the Memphis metro area but I'm glad you at least have a false sense of security in Mayberry - All large cities have high crime areas, you just try to avoid them. GO Vols!!

dowhatsright writes:

in response to BigOrangeGhostHunter:

You wish he was gone, but we all know better. Jackson has talent, and he might not play again this year, but next spring, he'll be on the field wearing orange. He's not going anywhere, and it has nothing to do with the fans. His degree of talent is why he'll stay. If you need proof that talent wins out, I can cite plenty of examples. Why delay on a decision if there wasn't a strong possibility that someone is staying? The spin doctors are preparing some feel-good excuse for why Janzen is still with the team, we'll all lament until he crushes people on the field again, and then all will be forgot because talent like that has a way of making people forget indiscretions. Everyone cried for the NFL to get rid of Ray Lewis, Michael Vick, Jamal Lewis, Leonard Little, etc., but it never happens because talent like that is always going to get either a pass or a second chance.

If Jackson is guilty, he's guilty. But if he's innocent, he's innocent. He should have been in bed at that hour, but I don't think that gets you kicked off the team. It is possible that all he did was ride to the convenience store with 2 teammates. If 2 teammates asked most of the people posting here if they wanted to ride along, any of us might have gone and literally been innocent bystanders. If he was in on it he would have worn a sweatshirt over his UT jersey.

orangevagabond writes:

in response to BobKeslingSux:

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BKS,

I so much agree with you on the state of Tennessee's radio announcer. Now that we're in the new Kiffin era, I think its time to make a change. I would love to get Mike Keith to replace "checkerboard" but that's probably not realistic. We need more people to jump on the "Get rid of Kesling bandwagon."

Madkels writes:

in response to grvol:

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Totally agree. The quicker it is put behind us, the faster we can focus on Vandy and the kitty kats. I believe a decision will be made by Tuesday.

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