Vols looking to raid Mississippi's best players

Tennessee is in prime position to raid Mississippi for the state’s best football recruits.

Ole Miss’ disappointing beginning to the season has opened the door. The Rebels are 3-2 and 1-2 in the SEC after being one of the most talked about teams in the nation before the season started.

Now, high schools that the Rebels once ruled — like South Panola in Batesville, Miss. — are more approachable.

Nicholas Parker is one of those South Panola prospects who is considering rebelling against Ole Miss. The 6-foot-2 tailback is considering UT, Alabama, LSU, Southern Miss and Mississippi State.

UT will likely only sign one tailback for the 2010 class after their strong haul of ball carriers in 2009. The Vols have long shown strong interest in tailback Michael Dyer from Little Rock (Ark.) Christian. Lache Seastrunk from Temple (Texas) has also taken a look at UT. Both are considering other schools, meaning Parker could be the best fit.

The Vols are after immediate help on their defensive line as they recruit Ken Adams, a defensive end from Copiah-Lincoln Community College in Wesson, Miss. Adams has been thought to be leaning toward committing to Auburn but the Vols are making a push.

There’s also offensive line help in Mississippi. UT is recruiting two massive offensive linemen from Olive Branch High: Shon Coleman, who is 6-7, 285 pounds, and Damien Robinson, who is 6-8, 330.

The Vols are better suited to recruit in Mississippi than most schools. Recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron knows the area well from his coaching days at Ole Miss. Orgeron’s right-hand man in the area is UT receivers coach Frank Wilson, who is recruiting Mississippi and Louisiana.

Wilson’s ties in Louisiana, especially Baton Rouge, are well documented. He has already secured a commitment for the 2011 class from defensive lineman Anthony Johnson from O. Perry Walker High in New Orleans.

The Vols will have to continue to defend that commitment, as LSU will make every effort to sway Johnson, who could be the top prospect in the state once evaluations are complete.

The Vols are recruiting several other prospects from Louisiana, including Patrick Swilling from Brother Martin High. Swilling, whose father, Pat Swilling, played linebacker for the New Orleans Saints, is considering LSU, Georgia Tech and Ole Miss.

The Vols are recruiting Alfred Blue, a tailback from Hahnville in Boutte, La. Blue is also considering LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss and Texas A&M among others.

UT is working hard to land receiver James Wright from Belle Chase (La.) High. Wright is considering a host of schools, including LSU.

UT is still after defensive back Jarvis Landry from Lutcher High in Convent, La., for the 2011 class.

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mbible1utk#324980 writes:

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tdvol1989 writes:

Give up on Dyer. He IS going to Auburn. I heard he has been to the Auburn campus 3 times but has yet to make it to Knoxville.

Cldvols1 writes:

Cool, I trust the coaches to get the best possible recruits. And if they choose to play for another team it's their loss because the Vols are up and coming! GBO

98memories writes:

Get all of em. Get sll of em.

richvol writes:

If those two huge offensive linemen can run then what a pair. Those kind of monsters bulldoze people. You think our great backs could run behind those guys?

givehim6 writes:

Bringing in all this great talent is good for UT. But I have a question, if CLK is going to bring talentfrom out of state. Does this mean the in state talent is not good enough for UT? What about that fencehe was going to put around the state? If all the schoarships are taken will non be left for out home state boys?

FWBVol writes:

in response to givehim6:

Bringing in all this great talent is good for UT. But I have a question, if CLK is going to bring talentfrom out of state. Does this mean the in state talent is not good enough for UT? What about that fencehe was going to put around the state? If all the schoarships are taken will non be left for out home state boys?

I believe Kiffin and his staff will do everything they can to get the elite talent from Tennessee to stay in state. The fact is Tennessee high schools don't produce as many of those elite players as Florida, Georgia, Louisiana or even Mississippi. CPF recruited every corner of the country and Kiffin is doing the same thing.

I know there are a lot of kids that grow up dreaming of playing for the Volunteers, but sadly, very few are good enough to help UT win conference much less national championships.

ArealVolFan writes:

in response to givehim6:

Bringing in all this great talent is good for UT. But I have a question, if CLK is going to bring talentfrom out of state. Does this mean the in state talent is not good enough for UT? What about that fencehe was going to put around the state? If all the schoarships are taken will non be left for out home state boys?

Give it a rest. Always looking for something to nitpick. TN does not produce great football talent in bulk like other states do. That is just how it is. TN has to recruit nationally. TN only produces 5-8 per year that could play in the SEC at a decent level and that just is not enough to build and SEC Championship caliber team. It also doesn't help most of those guys tend to come out of Memphis which has always been hard for us to recruit out of because there is such a heavy Mississippi and Alabama influence there. Look, just because he is instate does not mean he bleeds orange and even wants to be part of the program. Teague is a perfect example. He was a Gator commit that we had to fight tooth and nail to get to come here. The point is, I would much rather have the best talent available to come to UT than a bunch of instate guys like BJ Coleman that think they are entitled t something and just quit when it is handed to them. Kiffin, will bring the best players here and that is all that matters.

we3vols#281863 writes:

Remember, recruiting is built on relationships. If the state of TN High School Football talent is thin (even in great recruiting years) then building relatonships with schools from GA, FL, AL, MS, CA, TX, NC, SC.......then it makes good sense that is where our coaches should centrate their efforts. If the in state talent truely "bleeds ORANGE" they should express that to our staff and early. Go Vols, Go Coaches and Go Vol Fans!

txvolsfan writes:

in response to tdvol1989:

Give up on Dyer. He IS going to Auburn. I heard he has been to the Auburn campus 3 times but has yet to make it to Knoxville.

Let him go, once SEC defenses have 1 year to see Malzahn's offense it will lose it gimmick effect and will be shut down. You know he never sticks around anywhere but high school for more than 1 year. I believe it's because he knows it will be figured out and stopped dead!!! I see Auburn as a team that has already peaked under it's new coach in the first year, I don't see them getting back to the elite level under Cheese Nip!!!

dvols writes:

o line and michael dyer!

chbradshaw writes:

I get the feeling CLK has realized Memphis is not really a key to recruiting success. There are some decent character guys who may come out of there and the Vols have generally signed them over the years. However, the Albert Means/Marlon Brown types are not worth the trouble and rarely pan out anyway. Marlon Brown is already considered a bust at Georgia.

cooper65#432178 writes:

in response to richvol:

If those two huge offensive linemen can run then what a pair. Those kind of monsters bulldoze people. You think our great backs could run behind those guys?

Those guys are from Olive Branch, a Memphis suburb. I'm sure all the anti-Memphites who participate on this forum don't want them. It's time to embrace the Memphis area; there's too much talent there to ignore.

TommyJack writes:

in response to cooper65#432178:

Those guys are from Olive Branch, a Memphis suburb. I'm sure all the anti-Memphites who participate on this forum don't want them. It's time to embrace the Memphis area; there's too much talent there to ignore.

Take'em where you find'em. This staff doesn't have any anti-Memphis bias like past regimes.

hilltopper writes:

Ok this is something I can no longer stomach. No Tennessee does not produce as many big time players as Florida but it is phooey to say we do not produce many big time players. I have talked to pro players from all over the state of Tennessee all the way back to the beginning of the Johnny Majors era that started for D1 schools and went to the pros that never were recruited by Majors or Fulmer. There are two QB's in the pros now that would have beat anything we had since T Martin that were from Tennessee. Not recruited. Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas all have plenty of players from Tn. Notre Dame has a start player from Tn. USC had a star receiver from TN. Pulaski Tn has a QB that is taking a trip to LSU today. On and ON I could go. It is time for UT to get its own instate players. Yes we still have to recruit nationally but we have let starts leave our midst for at least 40 years and I see that trend continuing.

jsm67vol writes:

I agree with earlier post that if you are a player in HS in TN and you bleed orange and white, you need to let this staff know early and often. Too often I think HS players question whether they are good enough to play in the sec and wait for team to approach them with offers. There may not be as much HS talent in TN as in surrounding states but it would be interesting to see how many players go on to play D-1 from our beloved state each year. If that stat is tracked somewhere by somebody, I'd like to see it. I think TN as gotten the reputation of not producing great HS talent and I think it is just that "reputation." My impression about this staff is that they know how to evaluate talent and they will find some in state talent in the years to come that other schools overlook. Geographically, TN sits in the middle of all sec states so it seems inevitable that alot of kids go out of state just simply due to proximity of where they grew up to certain sec schools. Sorry to ramble, just MHO. Go Vols!!

RockyTop10nessee writes:

in response to hilltopper:

Ok this is something I can no longer stomach. No Tennessee does not produce as many big time players as Florida but it is phooey to say we do not produce many big time players. I have talked to pro players from all over the state of Tennessee all the way back to the beginning of the Johnny Majors era that started for D1 schools and went to the pros that never were recruited by Majors or Fulmer. There are two QB's in the pros now that would have beat anything we had since T Martin that were from Tennessee. Not recruited. Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas all have plenty of players from Tn. Notre Dame has a start player from Tn. USC had a star receiver from TN. Pulaski Tn has a QB that is taking a trip to LSU today. On and ON I could go. It is time for UT to get its own instate players. Yes we still have to recruit nationally but we have let starts leave our midst for at least 40 years and I see that trend continuing.

Harrison Smith and Golden Tate Start both start at ND.Both from Tenn.

anythinGOrange writes:

I live in Memphis and, believe me, we have a TON of talent that could thrive in the SEC. One question, why aren't we spending more time on Barry Brunetti? I've seen him play and he plays much bigger and faster than his stats...just a thought...

cloudodust writes:

So this is how good feels..? I like it. Go get 'em, Kif.

givehim6 writes:

in response to ArealVolFan:

Give it a rest. Always looking for something to nitpick. TN does not produce great football talent in bulk like other states do. That is just how it is. TN has to recruit nationally. TN only produces 5-8 per year that could play in the SEC at a decent level and that just is not enough to build and SEC Championship caliber team. It also doesn't help most of those guys tend to come out of Memphis which has always been hard for us to recruit out of because there is such a heavy Mississippi and Alabama influence there. Look, just because he is instate does not mean he bleeds orange and even wants to be part of the program. Teague is a perfect example. He was a Gator commit that we had to fight tooth and nail to get to come here. The point is, I would much rather have the best talent available to come to UT than a bunch of instate guys like BJ Coleman that think they are entitled t something and just quit when it is handed to them. Kiffin, will bring the best players here and that is all that matters.

Give it a rest? Nitpicking? My friend I was not complaining, it was a question. Do not question my loyalty or the color of my blood,it runs true orange. I do not sip orange kool-aid, I drink orange juice that has real pulp. I was just thinking of the Tennessee players that end up on other teams rosters every year.

GahLee writes:

in response to ThePhantom_96_06_08:

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Doesn't negate his recruiting prowess in the state.

Has as much to do with his days at Miami and USC as it does his days Ole Miss.

Of course he if from Louisiana, and has ties there from day one.

He also coached at smaller schools in the area after his run at Miami came to an end.

FWBVol writes:

in response to hilltopper:

Ok this is something I can no longer stomach. No Tennessee does not produce as many big time players as Florida but it is phooey to say we do not produce many big time players. I have talked to pro players from all over the state of Tennessee all the way back to the beginning of the Johnny Majors era that started for D1 schools and went to the pros that never were recruited by Majors or Fulmer. There are two QB's in the pros now that would have beat anything we had since T Martin that were from Tennessee. Not recruited. Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas all have plenty of players from Tn. Notre Dame has a start player from Tn. USC had a star receiver from TN. Pulaski Tn has a QB that is taking a trip to LSU today. On and ON I could go. It is time for UT to get its own instate players. Yes we still have to recruit nationally but we have let starts leave our midst for at least 40 years and I see that trend continuing.

There are several kids that UT has recruited, and recruited hard that decided to leave the state and go to Southern Cal, Notre Dame, Alabama or other schools. There are players from Tennessee that signed with DI schools from outside the state that have gone on to long careers in the NFL.

Knoxville's Chad Pennington is a great example of a kid that was a late bloomer and as a high school senior wasn't deemed to be a major prospect. While at Marshall Pennington developed the physical tools to go with the mental aspect of the game he had from his days at Webb School.

Kiffin and his staff, or any other coach from any school, might not recruit certain players because they don't have the skill sets that fit a system a team runs.

That's one take on things.

SoddyVol writes:

in response to ArealVolFan:

Give it a rest. Always looking for something to nitpick. TN does not produce great football talent in bulk like other states do. That is just how it is. TN has to recruit nationally. TN only produces 5-8 per year that could play in the SEC at a decent level and that just is not enough to build and SEC Championship caliber team. It also doesn't help most of those guys tend to come out of Memphis which has always been hard for us to recruit out of because there is such a heavy Mississippi and Alabama influence there. Look, just because he is instate does not mean he bleeds orange and even wants to be part of the program. Teague is a perfect example. He was a Gator commit that we had to fight tooth and nail to get to come here. The point is, I would much rather have the best talent available to come to UT than a bunch of instate guys like BJ Coleman that think they are entitled t something and just quit when it is handed to them. Kiffin, will bring the best players here and that is all that matters.

You mention BJ Coleman. Look at the talent (lack of) at UTC and their record this year compared to last. Some of it is a new coach but most of it is BJ at QB.

ArealVolFan writes:

in response to SoddyVol:

You mention BJ Coleman. Look at the talent (lack of) at UTC and their record this year compared to last. Some of it is a new coach but most of it is BJ at QB.

Doesn't change the fact it is worthless competition and he is still a quitter. He listened to all those Chat people telling he needed to be a starter here and felt falsely entitled to it.I think if he had stayed here he might have eventually gotten a chance to start, but he decided to take the easy road and get a starting job on a bad team in a bad conference.

DC_Vol writes:

in response to marc_ash#231781:

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Great posts per usual,

Are the big lineman committs you mentioned in one of your previous posts are they from Mississippi. When can we expect to hear about these great lineman committin to the UT program? We really need some slobberknockers for next year.

cooper65#432178 writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Take'em where you find'em. This staff doesn't have any anti-Memphis bias like past regimes.

I agree you take'em where you can find them and the coaching will gladly take Memphis area recruits. My point is that there is a strong anti-Memphis bias among the East Tennessee Vol fans. This bias is well known in Memphis. I understand why its hard to recruit Memphis talent. Many, many years ago, when I was a kid in Memphis, I was the only Vol fan I knew. I want the best West TN and North MS talent in Orange and White.

ArealVolFan writes:

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You are right. There are 5-6 guys per year. We have one of those guys in J.Smith committed already. I will disagree that we have to get those guys though. It is nice,but truth is if we can get a guy with more talent from outside the state then we should do that(provided he has a good head on his shoulders and heart in his chest).Remember, we steal players from Bama and Georgia and FL. just as much as they steal from us so it is mostly a wash. Besides you know if we just took guys from TN people would start wondering what happened to Kiffin's national recruiting promise. Granted some guys(Golden Tate) are worth keeping, but I don't think others such as Cobb are worth fighting over. He is a great playmaker, but I dont think he would be the best WR we have. G. Jones is when the offense is clicking

Razzle writes:

in response to SoddyVol:

You mention BJ Coleman. Look at the talent (lack of) at UTC and their record this year compared to last. Some of it is a new coach but most of it is BJ at QB.

Still got spanked by Furman like they always do.

Razzle writes:

Purdue over Ohio State. Love it! LOL

Razzle writes:

Timmy Teblow still has a bad case of the flu.

Vols033 writes:

Tennessee does produce some instate talent that Tennessee has missed, but it doesn't produce enough. Why get the best running back in the state of Tennessee, when you can get the 6th best in the state of Florida or Georgia that is better than the best in Tennessee. Most of the players coming out of Tennessee that are making it big elsewhere are usually from Memphis anyways. There are 7 SEC schools closer to Memphis than Tennessee. Couple that with the "rivalry" that Memphis seems to have with us and that leads alot of their talent elsewhere. Kiffin said he would put a fence around Tennessee, meaning he is going to get who he wants from the state, not offer everyone in the state a scholorship. There are very few Nick Reveiz's out there who will lay it on the line for UT, so I have absolutely no problem with going out of state for most of our talent. Need two more examples, Marlon Brown can't get on the field at Georgia this year even though there is another frosh wideout getting some good snaps, and Chris Donald was an instate guy who all out sucks because he looked like a world beater against crappy competition.

OwensboroVol writes:

Commitments mean nothing right now. The important thing is building relationships with the recruits. I know a lot of the kids will honor their words, but I would rather have a kid wait until January. When he commits at that time there is little to change his mind. Right now a blow out loss or a wrong word about an opponent and these kids can change their minds. Plus, you don't want to get yourself in the position of withdrawing your offer if someone better changes their mind and decides on UT.

Regulator writes:

I know this is off topic, but I have a question that I'm sure the Gator lurkers that are or will be here can answer. How much does it cost to rent an officiating crew for the weekend, it would be nice to rent today's UF/Arkansas crew for next week.

chrisw2967 writes:

in response to Regulator:

I know this is off topic, but I have a question that I'm sure the Gator lurkers that are or will be here can answer. How much does it cost to rent an officiating crew for the weekend, it would be nice to rent today's UF/Arkansas crew for next week.

I dont know who paid those refs but the money didnt come from Ark. boosters.Fla got that game handed to them.I kept waiting for Tebow and Meyers to hold their annual kiss.

navyvolinva writes:

whatever happened to Cory Hall?...He was doing great in JC.

tonyvick#213307 writes:

in response to hilltopper:

Ok this is something I can no longer stomach. No Tennessee does not produce as many big time players as Florida but it is phooey to say we do not produce many big time players. I have talked to pro players from all over the state of Tennessee all the way back to the beginning of the Johnny Majors era that started for D1 schools and went to the pros that never were recruited by Majors or Fulmer. There are two QB's in the pros now that would have beat anything we had since T Martin that were from Tennessee. Not recruited. Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas all have plenty of players from Tn. Notre Dame has a start player from Tn. USC had a star receiver from TN. Pulaski Tn has a QB that is taking a trip to LSU today. On and ON I could go. It is time for UT to get its own instate players. Yes we still have to recruit nationally but we have let starts leave our midst for at least 40 years and I see that trend continuing.

Ok you numbered about 4 players out of the State that's D1 worthy. A team like UT can't compete in the SEC with so few players from a state. For instance here in GA Kiffin helicoptered to a game where two teams produced 20 D1 players that's just not the case in TN. However the state seem to produce a few big time Superstars occasionally.

gbeejr#1354500 writes:

I've seen the Parker kid from South Panola and he stands out, which is saying something when you talk about South Panola football. But they may have a even better kid in Nick Brassel a super looking wide receiver and db (he's a jr.). I hope Coach O and pick up where he left off when he was recruiting for Ole Miss down here.

straightshooter writes:

While I know all Tennesseans would like to see more in-state guys on the team, it simple never will have large numbers because of the overall low number of "blue chip" prospects in the state. Sure there are some great college/NFL players that are in-state but they are too far and between. And for every kid that grows up hoping to be good enough to play for the "Big Orange", there are many like the Golden Tates, etc. that desire to go to other out of state schools for various religious and academic reasons.
In-state high school coaches should promote their players to the college of the player's choice. By sending film, statistics, etc., on the players it could influence the UT staff to look their way.

VolunteerLifer writes:

To those who think UT doesn't recruit Tennessee agressively enough: Do you really think this staff would overlook a player in the state that they think could contribute if there aren't better prospects elsewhere? Of course they wouldn't. The staff is under the gun to win, and they must evaluate talent and recruit to their evaluations.

As one who has lived in Memphis, I can tell you that there is alot of animosity toward UT in Memphis, as well as alot of support. The heavy fan bases of Ole Miss, Arkansas, MSU, and UM in that town hate UT, and alot of the HS players pick up on that. Not sayin CLK should not recruit there, but be realistic. He'll get a share of recruits from Memphis, but he will never lock it down for UT.

VolunTenMile writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

To those who think UT doesn't recruit Tennessee agressively enough: Do you really think this staff would overlook a player in the state that they think could contribute if there aren't better prospects elsewhere? Of course they wouldn't. The staff is under the gun to win, and they must evaluate talent and recruit to their evaluations.

As one who has lived in Memphis, I can tell you that there is alot of animosity toward UT in Memphis, as well as alot of support. The heavy fan bases of Ole Miss, Arkansas, MSU, and UM in that town hate UT, and alot of the HS players pick up on that. Not sayin CLK should not recruit there, but be realistic. He'll get a share of recruits from Memphis, but he will never lock it down for UT.

You're right on, V-Lifer. I lived in Memphis for a while and visit there regularly. The city has something of an identity crisis. It can't decide whether it's in Mississippi or Arkansas. Part of the Vols' problem with recruiting in Memphis is that the local media, while not necessarily hostile to UT, has to cover Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State, and, of course, U of M. All that dilutes whatever bang we might get from Kiffinmania. There's also the inconvenient truth that, if a kid is good enough for the SEC, at least 5 SEC campuses (Fayetteville, Oxford, Starkville, Tuscaloosa, and Baton Rouge; plus Nashville, if Vandy is still considered in the Conf.) are closer to Elvisville than Knoxville is. So at best, even the current hyperactive Vols staff will do well to get a fair share of Memphis talent. I'm afraid we'll never be dominant there. Just try to get the best ones, Coach!

VolunteerLifer writes:

in response to VolunTenMile:

You're right on, V-Lifer. I lived in Memphis for a while and visit there regularly. The city has something of an identity crisis. It can't decide whether it's in Mississippi or Arkansas. Part of the Vols' problem with recruiting in Memphis is that the local media, while not necessarily hostile to UT, has to cover Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State, and, of course, U of M. All that dilutes whatever bang we might get from Kiffinmania. There's also the inconvenient truth that, if a kid is good enough for the SEC, at least 5 SEC campuses (Fayetteville, Oxford, Starkville, Tuscaloosa, and Baton Rouge; plus Nashville, if Vandy is still considered in the Conf.) are closer to Elvisville than Knoxville is. So at best, even the current hyperactive Vols staff will do well to get a fair share of Memphis talent. I'm afraid we'll never be dominant there. Just try to get the best ones, Coach!

Right you are, VolunTenMile. Memphis has an identity crisis because it is no longer relevant to what made it an important city in the first place: its position on the River combined with its central location in the cotton belt. In times past, this was very important stuff. However, I don't think the river handles much cotton traffic anymore. And I don't think people have to bring their cotton crop to Memphis anymore in order to bring it to market. There is still a river port in Memphis, but it is obviously not the economic engine that it once was.

The old ties still linger on, however. Memphis still has much more in common with cities up and down the River like St. Louis, Baton Rouge, etc. than it does Nashville or Knoxville, even though those ties wane more and more through the years. Nevertheless, Memphis is still today mostly a product of the plantation South. Knoxville is a product of Appalachian culture. Different as night and day. Never the twain shall meet.

Memphis continues to thrive as much as it does by virtue of its position in the center of the country (see under 'Smith, Fred') with a transportation and freight hub/distribution center at the node of I-40 and I-55. The only thing Memphis truly has in common with Knoxville is 1) the truck traffic on I-40 and 2) in-state tuition at UT is available to its high schoolers.

AFVol423 writes:

in response to givehim6:

Bringing in all this great talent is good for UT. But I have a question, if CLK is going to bring talentfrom out of state. Does this mean the in state talent is not good enough for UT? What about that fencehe was going to put around the state? If all the schoarships are taken will non be left for out home state boys?

Putting a fence around Tennessee only nets you a few players each year. We have to go outside for the majority of our players. Just a fact of not having the population that Florida, Georgia, California do. Recruiting at Tennessee is a much more formidable task than it is at say Florida. Want proof, look at South Carolina. While other factors play into it, Spurrior is not the same coach without the outstanding talent that Naturally came to UF.

rdr4vols writes:

in response to h8ag8r:

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Chris Sensabaugh is Dobyns-Bennett's all time rusher and only a Junior. If he had a half decent O-line he would be All-American. For those who may not know it but ole' Phat Fill let the best running back at that time Adonis Johnson get by him. Adonis was a fast (4.28) and 195 lbs tailback who gained close to 2000 yards his junior and senior seasons. He ate Oak Ridge's lunch, and most everyone else's, as he was awarded the player of the year in East Tennessee by the Knoxville Sentinal. Phat Fill even let Gerald Sensebaugh slip through his fingers and Gerald is starting in the NFL. Sometimes the good ones get away though they are less than 100 miles from campus.

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