John Brown, Dixon fail to quailfy for Vols

So much for that much-needed help at defensive tackle Tennessee was hoping for this season.

UT coach Derek Dooley confirmed after Monday afternoon’s practice that junior college transfer John Brown and athlete Marcques Dixon will not play for the Vols this season.

“John Brown and Marcques Dixon are not qualifiers, so they won’t be with us this fall,” Dooley said.

“(It) wasn’t a big surprise to us. We knew they were high risk.”

Brown, a defensive lineman who signed with Florida out of Lakeland (Fla.) High School in 2007 before transferring to Northeast Mississippi Community College in 2009, enrolled at UT for summer classes, but couldn’t qualify.

The 6-foot-2, 300-pound Brown, who will not stay at UT for the fall semester, would have been a huge boost to the Vols, who are paper-thin at defensive tackle after Marlon Walls’ Achilles injury earlier in fall camp.

Dixon, a 5-10, 185-pound athlete out of Southwest DeKalb High School in Decatur, Ga., also wasn’t cleared.

“They’re weighing their options,” Dooley said. “I don’t know where they’re going to go. They’re seeing what’s out there for them.”

Dooley expects to hear soon about the eligibility of another pair of signees, defensive back Eddrick Loften and linebacker Martaze Jackson.

Patrick Brown is a freelance contributor.

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GOBIGO72 writes:

At least now we know..focus on to the ones that will.

chrisw2967 writes:

rut roh

mountainbrook writes:

I think we all knew this was coming.

NashvillePreds writes:

Not to sound elitist or anything, as this is not a Vanderbilt message board, but how in the h%$# do you not qualify, with the plethora of resources these guys have at their disposal?

Would you say I have a plethora Jeffe?

james#216392 writes:

Why don't we do a good story, maybe something about Luke Stocker. We can't do anything about the guys that don't study and make the grades. Luke has already graduated and is getting his masters.

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

Ok..Now that this is settled, what is the status on Eddrick Loften??? Anybody know??

Major_Magilicutty writes:

We did, but it is still sad. My mother has spent the better part of her life fighting for kids that are given the easy path in high school because of their athleticism. They are robbed of an education by teachers who think they're doing them a favor by letting them slide on their academics.

When they get to the collegiate level, they have a set of academic hurdles to face they can't overcome because of the poor tutelage they've received their entire life. Thus, we arrive at this juncture where the kid can't qualify, and all that talent which got him by during the early years of his career goes to waste.

It's no excuse to not try and educate yourself; to better yourself through study, but it certainly is a trap for many athletes and a sad part of the culture in this country. A culture some of us are fighting to change.

oskie_score writes:

No surprise on JB.
What of Martaze Jackson & Eddrick Loften??

oskie_score writes:

Elliott Porter.

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to oskie_score:

No surprise on JB.
What of Martaze Jackson & Eddrick Loften??

Oh man..I forgot about Jackson..Well add him to my post above.

SpiralBound writes:

Whoa, that stings. I know "football" knowledge and actual knowledge are very different, but one has to wonder just how much "football" knowledge can be attained if there isn't a solid base of actual knowledge.

MidTennVol writes:

in response to Major_Magilicutty:

We did, but it is still sad. My mother has spent the better part of her life fighting for kids that are given the easy path in high school because of their athleticism. They are robbed of an education by teachers who think they're doing them a favor by letting them slide on their academics.

When they get to the collegiate level, they have a set of academic hurdles to face they can't overcome because of the poor tutelage they've received their entire life. Thus, we arrive at this juncture where the kid can't qualify, and all that talent which got him by during the early years of his career goes to waste.

It's no excuse to not try and educate yourself; to better yourself through study, but it certainly is a trap for many athletes and a sad part of the culture in this country. A culture some of us are fighting to change.

Great thoughts, Major. Made me think of the story of Dexter Manley. Your mother and others involved in that endeavor are doing it right, it sounds.

And it matters so much. Hats off to them.

tnsportsman writes:

OK now we know and the news is not good on JB.

WE WILL PLAY FOOTBALL WITH THE PLAYERS WE HAVE AND WIN! There is no crying in Football, COWBOY UP Big Orange and let's go win some games! Take everything that has happened the last 24 months and channel it into a very 'P OFF' attitude, be focused and take the field HUNGRY!

TENNESSEE will be OK with what we have!

GO VOLS, WE ARE UT!

mdvol writes:

Definitely more reason to run a 3-4. No depth at tackle.

TonyGeist writes:

Guys,
John Brown was said to have a severe learning disability.
It's a little irrational to say he didn't try, don't you think?
Plus having to take 19 hours in the summer is no cake walk, even when you're not dyslexic.

GreerVol22 writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Not to sound elitist or anything, as this is not a Vanderbilt message board, but how in the h%$# do you not qualify, with the plethora of resources these guys have at their disposal?

Would you say I have a plethora Jeffe?

Nash,
I played some pick up games b-ball with guys this bone headed when i was in school and all I can say is run, jump, yes...read, write, no....and I'll leave it at that.

99gator writes:

dooley will need plenty of time.

long way back, but you'll get there

Ayres_Hall writes:

Let's hope he sticks with the program and gets himself enrolled for Winter.

Don't give up John.

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to 99gator:

dooley will need plenty of time.

long way back, but you'll get there

I agree with you, 99gator..I will give him time, but some Tennessee fans will want him gone if he is unsuccessful his first year...That is definitely not reasonable because he needs about three years to rebuild this program..It will be worth the wait, IMO.

ViperOrange writes:

in response to oskie_score:

Elliott Porter.

He's going to Kentucky.

shulessjo writes:

just move on... we've all suspected this for weeks....

jjsteel writes:

in response to mountainbrook:

I think we all knew this was coming.

yep

Carlitovol writes:

in response to ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog:

I agree with you, 99gator..I will give him time, but some Tennessee fans will want him gone if he is unsuccessful his first year...That is definitely not reasonable because he needs about three years to rebuild this program..It will be worth the wait, IMO.

And let's not forget that the almighty Saban was 6-6 in his first year (3 years ago) and lost the opener @ home to LA Monroe.. That's the definition of a rough start.. Not to mention, he inherited a MUCH more stable situation with pretty good depth and talent - 2 things we're short on..

I just hope all the whiners and nega-vols will give CDD a fightin' chance.

PATIENCE MY FRIENDS.

tbmccord#279221 writes:

in response to ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog:

I agree with you, 99gator..I will give him time, but some Tennessee fans will want him gone if he is unsuccessful his first year...That is definitely not reasonable because he needs about three years to rebuild this program..It will be worth the wait, IMO.

I too agree with 99gator... and thanks for coming onto a rivals board and posting civilly.

As for other Tennessee fans not giving him time, how long was the program in decline before kiffin twisted the dagger? Fulmer was in charge when we won the title in 98. I blamed Sanders for the initial decline after that but in retrospect, it appears that Phil should have been the focal point of that suspicion. It took 7 years for us to hit bottom in 05. It could take that long again to get to a BCS game, even more to win the title. We can all hope that it will be quicker. However, we must show patience. We must also be ready for the storm to worsen before it gets better. Dooley should be granted the support of all Vols... not some... not most... but ALL Vols.

manoffewwords writes:

Big shocker ?

vol94 writes:

in response to TonyGeist:

Guys,
John Brown was said to have a severe learning disability.
It's a little irrational to say he didn't try, don't you think?
Plus having to take 19 hours in the summer is no cake walk, even when you're not dyslexic.

Good Post. In fact he worked around the clock daily with tutors so I commend him for his attempt to better himself.

A 9 year old kid may be intelligent but would not be able to comprehend calculus, no matter how hard he worked.

Hopefully John Brown will learn/take the basic academic courses so he can understand the college courses one day.

jowebb15#441937 writes:

in response to mdvol:

Definitely more reason to run a 3-4. No depth at tackle.

I think you need bigger D-ends than we have to run a 3-4.

OrangePride writes:

My hope is that both these kids stay and work thru this.....not just because I want to see them play football next year (although that would also be great)but because with 12 hour schedules and some good mentoring they might well overcome this....and THAT will make them better men. Succeeding where you once fell down is one of the strongest character builders a person can ever experience. I wish both these young men the best!

jhayes7781 writes:

in response to vol94:

Good Post. In fact he worked around the clock daily with tutors so I commend him for his attempt to better himself.

A 9 year old kid may be intelligent but would not be able to comprehend calculus, no matter how hard he worked.

Hopefully John Brown will learn/take the basic academic courses so he can understand the college courses one day.

vol94 I seriously doubt if you've ever stepped foot in a college classroom. You think this guy was taking calc? Give me a break.

rudy123 writes:

in response to tbmccord#279221:

I too agree with 99gator... and thanks for coming onto a rivals board and posting civilly.

As for other Tennessee fans not giving him time, how long was the program in decline before kiffin twisted the dagger? Fulmer was in charge when we won the title in 98. I blamed Sanders for the initial decline after that but in retrospect, it appears that Phil should have been the focal point of that suspicion. It took 7 years for us to hit bottom in 05. It could take that long again to get to a BCS game, even more to win the title. We can all hope that it will be quicker. However, we must show patience. We must also be ready for the storm to worsen before it gets better. Dooley should be granted the support of all Vols... not some... not most... but ALL Vols.

Yes, it may take quiet some time for us to get back to championship form. Remember, when one wins a championship, you need good recruiting, good coaching to develope those players, good coaches to motivate them to play their best and LUCK!! When we won in 1998, we were luck that Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU were down. Remember we played Mississippi State or Auburn for the SEC Championship that year NOT ALabama.
THat was good luck for us. ALso, the storm on the coast caused the UCLA and Miami game to be played in November and that upset by Miami helped us pass UCLA to jump up the BCS ladder. Also, the Big 12 played their championship game that night with A & M and Brandon Steward. The outcome of that game also helped us in the BCS standings.
Just because we are going to be a great team again doesn't mean that we will automatically play for a championship. Remember Penn State was undefeated and wasn't crowned? Remember Auburn was undefeated and wasn't crowned?
What if we are great again and at the same time Alabama, FLorida, LSU and Georgia are great also? Then what???? We will need luck to get that extra push to be ahead of them in the BCS.
Does anyone remember the Arkansas game? THat was luck.

Digital5000 writes:

Not great news.

If our guys can stay healthy at DT, we have the personal to have a good line.

keepitreal4vols writes:

John Brown commited 06-03-2009, and he couldn't qualify with an entire year of academic help? YIKES

d_ray writes:

Does the recruiting star rating take into consideration the high school grade average? If not, .... it should.

sm1 writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Not to sound elitist or anything, as this is not a Vanderbilt message board, but how in the h%$# do you not qualify, with the plethora of resources these guys have at their disposal?

Would you say I have a plethora Jeffe?

Yes, El Guapo, you have a plethora.

Ironcity writes:

in response to Digital5000:

Not great news.

If our guys can stay healthy at DT, we have the personal to have a good line.

What makes you think that? Only one defensive tackle has taken a snap and the others are all either undersized or coming off of major injuries. We are going to have to stunt to protect those guys or someone from nowhere is going to have to really step up.

volstandard writes:

in response to mdvol:

Definitely more reason to run a 3-4. No depth at tackle.

Nope, tis'nt.

I guess you missed the article which stated that the 3-4 requires 3 big guys in the middle while the 4-3 only requires 2 big guys in the middle. And our problem right now is that we have a shortage of "big guys." So, the 3-4 is not viable unless you have plenty of DT/NT size guys.

Though we should be multiple, I don't see us employing a true 3-4 defense for that reason.

wayoutwill writes:

in response to tnsportsman:

OK now we know and the news is not good on JB.

WE WILL PLAY FOOTBALL WITH THE PLAYERS WE HAVE AND WIN! There is no crying in Football, COWBOY UP Big Orange and let's go win some games! Take everything that has happened the last 24 months and channel it into a very 'P OFF' attitude, be focused and take the field HUNGRY!

TENNESSEE will be OK with what we have!

GO VOLS, WE ARE UT!

Rah,Rah,Raz,But we'll still be getting kicked in the ... knee?

Crutch writes:

in response to mdvol:

Definitely more reason to run a 3-4. No depth at tackle.

To run a 3-4 you have to have 3 large DL and since UT believes in smaller, faster DE's there is no way we can run a 3-4. The 3 DL need to be large to occupy the 5 OL to free up the 4 LB to reak havoc.

apisonvolfan writes:

I hate it for us that these guys didn't get in. But more importantly I feel bad for these guys. In JB's case, this guy has tried his butt off to get into a big school. The guy just isn't smart enough. This guy could have pro potential and he'll never have a chance to show what he can do and possible buy a better life for his family. Too bad. The NCAA should make some concessions to let a guy like him in.

dandyseniors#546965 writes:

in response to TonyGeist:

Guys,
John Brown was said to have a severe learning disability.
It's a little irrational to say he didn't try, don't you think?
Plus having to take 19 hours in the summer is no cake walk, even when you're not dyslexic.

How in the heck did he graduate from high school? Did they just pass him on? That's really unfair to the kid.

OhioVol3 writes:

I thought tutors did these player's homework for them? UT's academic support staff- FAIL. How can we possibly expect a 20 yr. old to pass classes that were designed for high school kids (average HS kids at that)?

And if you can't pass said classes when there are potentially millions of dollars on the line (shot at the NFL)...it's time to don the blue vest at Walmart.

UT37916 writes:

Lousiana Tech may be an option for them.

Lizardgrad89 writes:

Plasticman writes:
in response to TonyGeist:

Guys,
John Brown was said to have a severe learning disability.
It's a little irrational to say he didn't try, don't you think?
Plus having to take 19 hours in the summer is no cake walk, even when you're not dyslexic.

Didn't he get admitted at FL before transferring to JC???
-----------------------------------

He did.

He managed to get the high school grades and test score to be admitted.

Once he got on campus, he struggled with classes. Badly. This is why he never played a down at UF, he could never get his academic house in order.

I'm sure the 5 star DT got every accommodation possible with any disabilities he may have had, so I don't know what to tell you regarding his inability to get eligible.

VAVol writes:

Everybody keep in mind that this is college football. College football. The operative word here is "college", meaning that they must go to college, and pass, as well as play football.

'Nuff said...

Colliervol writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Not to sound elitist or anything, as this is not a Vanderbilt message board, but how in the h%$# do you not qualify, with the plethora of resources these guys have at their disposal?

Would you say I have a plethora Jeffe?

Junior college kids are a roll of the dice. Some make it and some don't. I guess our folks aren't as "creative" as at some schools. If Ole Miss got Jerrell Powe eligible, I would think you could get ANYBODY eligible.

Colliervol writes:

in response to ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog:

I agree with you, 99gator..I will give him time, but some Tennessee fans will want him gone if he is unsuccessful his first year...That is definitely not reasonable because he needs about three years to rebuild this program..It will be worth the wait, IMO.

Correction Smokey. Some irrational and ignorant Tennessee fans will want him gone after one year if unsuccessful. Unfortunately, as with all schools, we have an abundant supply of those.

Colliervol writes:

in response to shen24:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

I actually like Nick Saban's no-nonsense approach to things and hope Dooley picked up a few things from him. But I would sooner be locked in a room and forced to watch 24 hours of Jersey Shore than Alabama All Access. More intellect with Snooki than anything associated with Alabama.

Colliervol writes:

in response to dandyseniors#546965:

How in the heck did he graduate from high school? Did they just pass him on? That's really unfair to the kid.

Same way Dexter Manley did. Same way Jerrell Powe did down in Mississippi. Same way hundreds of other "student-athletes" have been passed along. It just takes some creative academic compliance employees.

Colliervol writes:

in response to VAVol:

Everybody keep in mind that this is college football. College football. The operative word here is "college", meaning that they must go to college, and pass, as well as play football.

'Nuff said...

Surely you jest. I needed a laugh this morning.

Colliervol writes:

We are one injury to Montori Hughes away from combing the intramural fields for defensive tackles.

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