Head official backs refs for Music City

NASHVILLE - By the book, Thursday night's Music City Bowl officials got all the controversial calls at the end of regulation right, national coordinator of officials David Parry said Friday.

The book, however, may be reworked as soon as February when the NCAA rules committee convenes for its annual meetings. The illegal substitution penalty that ultimately aided North Carolina and crushed Tennessee in the waning moments of regulation in the Tar Heels' 30-27, double-overtime win at LP Field likely will be a hot topic and could provide potential grounds for the NCAA to take a page out of the NFL's rulebook, Parry said.

"That play will be shown and discussed," Parry, a former Big Ten official, said in a phone interview with the News Sentinel.

"It seems a little awkward that a team can commit a foul and really they gained an advantage."

Tar Heels quarterback T.J. Yates would not have spiked the ball in time if he waited for a mixture of extra offensive players and special teamers to get off the field in the frantic moments following Shaun Draughn's 7-yard run, which left 13 seconds on the clock. He ignored the flurry of players, including a kicker and holder positioned behind him, and downed the ball with one second to spare, prompting a 5-yard penalty for illegal substitution but not signaling the end of the game.

In the NFL, 10 seconds are run off the clock when the offense commits a penalty in the game's final two minutes as a means to prevent teams from doing what North Carolina did Thursday: gain an extra timeout by stopping the clock with its own infraction.

The college game, as Tar Heels coach Butch Davis said Thursday, has a number of different rules than the NFL, and that just so happened to be one of them.

"The play, as it was officiated, was officiated correctly," Parry said.

That play, of course, required a second look.

Referee Dennis Lipski, the head official of the Big Ten crew selected for the game, originally announced the game was over because the clock initially hit zero after Yates' spike. A replay booth review, which Lipski announced would be undertaken after UT players and coaches had already streamed onto the field, correctly concluded that one second remained when the ball hit the ground, allowing the Tar Heels to run one more play.

According to Section 1, Article 3B in the 2009-10 NCAA book of rules and interpretations, the game is ended and the score is final when the referee so declares.

Lipski's words, Parry said, weren't an end-all, be-all declaration. It was nothing more than lip service.

"Just the fact that he waves his arm and the game is over usually means the game is over," Parry said. "But there can be extenuating circumstances usually that come through replay that can correct that."

Determining whether North Carolina committed an illegal substitution penalty, which merits a 5-yard loss, or an illegal participation penalty, which sets the guilty team 15 yards back from the previous line of scrimmage, also was properly officiated, Parry said.

The difference between the two penalties centers on if the extra players were attempting to leave the field rather than actually participating in the play, Parry said.

When UT had 13 players on the field in the final moments of its equally heartbreaking loss at LSU in October, it was flagged for illegal participation.

Much like after the LSU game, UT coach Derek Dooley expressed disappointment over his defense not receiving ample time to respond to the offense's substitutions.

"When they ran guys on the field, the field-goal unit, the rule states that the umpire should step over the ball and allow a substitution to happen," Dooley said. "I don't know. I guess there wasn't enough time to do that."

Dooley said UT did not plan to respond with substitutes because "we had our call ready. We were ready to play."

Parry said that an umpire will typically move away from the ball if the center is ready to snap and the defense indicates it's not going to adjust its on-field personnel.

In an e-mail, Big Ten Assistant Commissioner of Communications Scott Chipman said the conference "does not comment on judgment calls," which has been standard protocol for it over the years.

"What I saw," Parry said, "was done correctly."

Andrew Gribble covers Tennessee football and recruiting. He may be reached at 865-342-6327. Follow him at http://twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble and http://blogs.knoxnews.com/gribble

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OMike writes:

Well Perry is full of phooey. Please someone from kns point out that UNC had 12 players set when the ball was snapped. 15 yd penalty 50 yd fg attempt. Go to Vol nation pics and videos prove it. Come on Adams step up and write the article. I'm over the loss, but someone please inform the media of the facts.

orangecountyvols writes:

Preborn,

Exactly. What in the heck else would he say? They are a band of brothers and this isn't surprising.

Col26ca writes:

I was at the game down on that end of the field. Mr. Parry is correct. We play by the rules handed down to us a players or citizens in society. We lost by the rules in play on 12/30/2010. Don't bit.h, change the rules to make it an honest game just as many citizens did in November for our nation. And BTW we were sitting in club seats 1 row in front of a lux box of UNC people who made Vandy people seem humble. For all the money that talked about making they could not buy the class they tried to think they had. Stay proud VOLS this KY boy loves ya.

imw8n4u writes:

Is it really a suprise that officials from a conference with 11 teams but calls itself the Big 10 can't count the number of players involved in the play?

tomkats3242 writes:

Don't blame the officials. Change the rules and this will not happen again. Also be aware that TN blew control of the game with the plays called. When you don't rush for more than 22 yards in 58 minutes, than you don't try to run the ball for a first down in the last two. FIRE Mike Hamilton.

DarthWilson writes:

"Just the fact that he waves his arm and the game is over usually means the game is over," Parry said. "But there can be extenuating circumstances usually that come through replay that can correct that."

Then why wave your arms and call the game over if it means nothing.

RoadTrip writes:

David Parry just told a whopper to the national press. Sorry dude, you just lied out your azz to try to protect your Big 10 buddies. Even Big 10 fans are apologizing for your buddies' actions with us and Kansas State on ESPN's site.

When the field goal unit is partially on the field with at least one of them lined up for play, that changes everything and the official stays in place over the ball. It also changes the penalty to illegal participation even if there is enough time to snap the ball. Some of their players were standing still on the field when the ball was snapped - not trying to get off or going to the line of scrimmage - just like a receiver or a running back. The very definition of illegal participation - not illegal substitution.

tomkats3242 writes:

in response to OMike:

Well Perry is full of phooey. Please someone from kns point out that UNC had 12 players set when the ball was snapped. 15 yd penalty 50 yd fg attempt. Go to Vol nation pics and videos prove it. Come on Adams step up and write the article. I'm over the loss, but someone please inform the media of the facts.

Quit reading his stupid articles. He should be ran out of town, instead Mike Hamilton gives him press passes and that is why he never says anything bad about Mike. Get rid of Doug Dickey Jr. (Mike Hamilton) The price of tickets will go up again or they will require more money to keep the tickets we have.

OMike writes:

in response to Col26ca:

I was at the game down on that end of the field. Mr. Parry is correct. We play by the rules handed down to us a players or citizens in society. We lost by the rules in play on 12/30/2010. Don't bit.h, change the rules to make it an honest game just as many citizens did in November for our nation. And BTW we were sitting in club seats 1 row in front of a lux box of UNC people who made Vandy people seem humble. For all the money that talked about making they could not buy the class they tried to think they had. Stay proud VOLS this KY boy loves ya.

Hey Col love the vols and very proud of the fight they gave. The rules in place 30Dec10 are to many men on field 5 yard penalty, to many participating 15 yd penalty. Had five minutes to review this and this obviously was reviewable. There was a kicker and holder set behind qb at 1 sec mark. If he kicks a fifty yard fg then sir you would be correct. Not that it matters now but facts are facts.

stillafan writes:

All I ever hear from people who back the refs is they call it how the rule is written. So that means when the ref waves his arms and declares for everybody to hear "The game is over," then the game is over, not just lip service.

RoadTrip writes:

in response to DarthWilson:

"Just the fact that he waves his arm and the game is over usually means the game is over," Parry said. "But there can be extenuating circumstances usually that come through replay that can correct that."

Then why wave your arms and call the game over if it means nothing.

Right - especially when the NCAA rule says it is over when the referee says its over - which he did.

thevoice writes:

The fact that the QB spiked the ball with 1 second left is completely unrelated to the number of boys on the field (unless they did have 12 or more players lined up,if so, 15 yards and not 5). Not sure what the outrage is all about. The only reason we didn't win the game on this play was because the game had 1 second left when the ball was spiked. UNC was penalized, then kicked. What am I missing here? The number of UNC players had nothing to do with the second chance.

SummerfieldVol writes:

What bothered me about the call was it should have been a 15 yarder not a 5 yarder. When the refree said the game was over the game is over period. I would not expect anything less from the chief official but like he said when the refree calls a game over it is over. We got hosed again by a officiating crew and there is nothing that can be done about it.

RoadTrip writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Actually we will be resting up to root for Joe Pa tomorrow. Good night troll.

DalTexVol writes:

What do you expect from a league that cannot even correctly count how many members it has?

amgragg writes:

I was at the game. 1st as a football official for high school, there is no way an offensive team be allowed to extend the game. The snap and 1 sec was at he same time, when the ball was spiked time was zero. 2nd it was illegal participation 12 plus in formation, therefore 15 yard penalty. 3rd no mark off was made they set the ball where the ball was spiked. Finally, I am a Heel fan, I'm sick of how we did not win!! I was so amazed, being from Tennessee and seeing games in Neyland of how Vol fans acted in the stadium and out. Those fans (used lightly) should be ashamed!!

DalTexVol writes:

in response to RoadTrip:

Right - especially when the NCAA rule says it is over when the referee says its over - which he did.

You are correct sir. I don't remember reading the words "usually" or "extenuating" in that rule.

DalTexVol writes:

in response to back2z1:

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That is the only true thing you have said this month.

MillisaAnn writes:

Stupid refs grrr

digthevols writes:

I already had predicted the Head of Officials would make a statement today in support! Of course! What happened in the Kansas State game is a travesty --- and he knows it. I can easily count 30-40 unsportsmanlike non-calls that are legitimate. Just saw an FSU dude in the middle of the field going bezerk and strutting and pointing after a sack. Duh! No call. I'm sick of these officials being held unaccountable and higher than God! Players face the media, coaches face the media but the officials get to run behind their closed doors and answer to no one! It's accepted that they're 100% trustworthy and honest. Coaches get caught cheating, players get caught --- but no one ever investigates officials. It's like they're part of the Mafia, everyone just leaves them alone, and they do as they please. Maybe some of them are. Now there's a good investigative story for journalist if someone literally wants to risk their life.

Gart5 writes:

that is an unalduterated lie. Look at the freaking video JERK!! 12 men were lined up not trying to get off the field. You, sir, are a liar and a fraud. that was a 15 yard penalty. anyone who says differently is either blind, stupid, dihonest or a combination thereof.

doctorvol#211700 writes:

of course they won't comment on judgement calls - like the much reviewed catch out of bounds.

volll1 writes:

in response to RoadTrip:

Actually we will be resting up to root for Joe Pa tomorrow. Good night troll.

basketball not so good :(

stillafan writes:

It's not over til the replay official sings

shulessjo writes:

in response to Col26ca:

I was at the game down on that end of the field. Mr. Parry is correct. We play by the rules handed down to us a players or citizens in society. We lost by the rules in play on 12/30/2010. Don't bit.h, change the rules to make it an honest game just as many citizens did in November for our nation. And BTW we were sitting in club seats 1 row in front of a lux box of UNC people who made Vandy people seem humble. For all the money that talked about making they could not buy the class they tried to think they had. Stay proud VOLS this KY boy loves ya.

Nice try but the fact is... the refs blew interpretation of the call either intentionally or unintentionally. The game is over... Understand that... but don't give us that "society" phooey...the officials had opportunitites and responsibilities to maintain control of the game and that did NOT occur. Everyone is focused on the "rule"... no one is focused on how it was interpreted and managed...the play should never have been allowed to run with multiple players literally running on AND off the field when the ball was snapped....

volsrcrybabies writes:

Boo hoo. A good football team does not need to rely on one call from the officials to win a game.

FrostyVol writes:

Mr. Parry, are you calling me stupid?? Seriously? ARE YOU CALLING ME STUPID?? Do you think because I'm from tennessee that I cant count to 12?? People - WAKE UP!! Watch the FREAKING VIDEO. COUNT the number of people on the field who are lined up. Forget the people running off the field. THERE ARE 12 people lined up when Yates spikes the ball. By DEFINITION that is illegal participation and a 15 yard penalty. No interpretation, no judgment call. For you to even suggest that the call was correct says you are a lying FAKE and are covering for the incompetence of the big ten clowns, ERRRRR, officials. I will be finding your email and i will be requesting an explanation. I stomach'd the BS non call on T Cody last year, and the non call on LSU ripping off their helmets and the ref not standing over the ball, but this is it. Im mad as HE%% and Im not going to take it anymore. I DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY!!

RoadTrip writes:

Thanks to all the Vol faithful posters for an entertaining and insightful 2010. I can safely say the Vol Nation is alive and well. TCheers to a prosperous and successful 2011!

And Z - you are correct - I will always root for Gator opponents because of your attitude on our Vol site. I did not used to be that way until you exemplfied all that is bad about arrogant Gator fans with your caustic junk. It's one thing to read about rivals, it's another all together to do what you do. You really need to get a life.

brauhuff#295403 (Inactive) writes:

It will never be forgotten and Dooley needs to grow some. Sometimes it is appropriate to show your azz and make your point. That is how this nation was built by standing up for how you feel in your heart and let the chips fall where they may. This guy reminds me too much of Bill Battle and we all no where that lead us through the seventies.

duke.moses#299699 writes:

in response to thevoice:

The fact that the QB spiked the ball with 1 second left is completely unrelated to the number of boys on the field (unless they did have 12 or more players lined up,if so, 15 yards and not 5). Not sure what the outrage is all about. The only reason we didn't win the game on this play was because the game had 1 second left when the ball was spiked. UNC was penalized, then kicked. What am I missing here? The number of UNC players had nothing to do with the second chance.

thevoice?? of a Vandy or NC fan!!

Are you serious?? What part of 5 yard penalty vs. 15 yard penalty don't you understand??? The field goal kick he made that he should've never had the opportunity to make in the 1st place barely cleared the goal posts. 10 more yards back on the kick and we win anyway.

Read what Parry aka Big ten official said, "when the head official declares the game over the game is over" (lip service) well guess what he is giving you and everyone else "Lip Service" as well, he is backing his boys!! The game was over, they were setting up for awards, I think they already had the buses warming up!!

Great game Vols but I'm highly disappointed in the fans throwing beer bottles especially from the upper deck. I've been to 100's of games but this is the first time I'm ashamed of our fans. I'm as pissed as anyone but we win with dignity and lose with dignity no matter how it happens. It was difficult trying to explain to my 11 year old son (his 1st game) what morons were doing by potentially injuring people by throwing things down on our own fans.

GBO we are better than this!!

walt2010 writes:

Why can't this be investigated by the FBI? A poster on another thread on here mentioned that a friend of his who regularly bets on games told him that most games are fixed; I've been saying for a couple years now that games are regularly being fixed in this country in NCAA football, basketball, the NBA, and the NFL. Anyone ever notice the line in Godfather 2 where the Jewish godfather says his favorite sporting event was the Black Sox world series because it was the first time they (the mob) fixed it? I realize that's a fictional movie but it seems to me at this point that anyone with two eyes and a little common sense can see it's happening, on a very regular basis.

Every sports fan in America is being made a fool of. We're all dupes as long as we keep spending our money and time to watch this BS. STAY AWAY. STOP GOING TO THE GAMES AND BUYING MERCHANDISE. The only way it will change is when the bigwigs feel it in their wallets.

The game yesterday was officiating as blatantly dishonest as has ever been televised in this country. The only way it could have been worse is if the UNC kicker had missed the kick at the end of regulation, at which point the refs probably would have fabricated another penalty to give him another chance.

By the way, Parry, how does it feel to know that the entire country knows you're a craven, pathetic liar and a crook?

Down_The_Field writes:

in response to back2z1:

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rest well mullet head, your beat down is coming tomorrow. joe-pa's gonna make urban cryer's last game a miserable one.

back to the subject. this rule needs to be changed. it's hard to believe that you can commit a foul and it favor you. dooley's right, the official has to step over the ball. they were good about this all evening to to unc's frustration, but screwed up on that one play.

of course the refs are gonna back each other just like the gambini crime family.

therev writes:

After my own review, TENNESSEE WINS!

Doobz15 writes:

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UTVOLSRROCKN writes:

in response to FrostyVol:

Mr. Parry, are you calling me stupid?? Seriously? ARE YOU CALLING ME STUPID?? Do you think because I'm from tennessee that I cant count to 12?? People - WAKE UP!! Watch the FREAKING VIDEO. COUNT the number of people on the field who are lined up. Forget the people running off the field. THERE ARE 12 people lined up when Yates spikes the ball. By DEFINITION that is illegal participation and a 15 yard penalty. No interpretation, no judgment call. For you to even suggest that the call was correct says you are a lying FAKE and are covering for the incompetence of the big ten clowns, ERRRRR, officials. I will be finding your email and i will be requesting an explanation. I stomach'd the BS non call on T Cody last year, and the non call on LSU ripping off their helmets and the ref not standing over the ball, but this is it. Im mad as HE%% and Im not going to take it anymore. I DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY!!

Tell us how you really feel FrostyVol...j/k!

Excellent post! I'm watching the game again right now and you are so right! Good luck and give em H#ll! GBO!!!

CoverOrange writes:

Refs miss calls all the time. It is part of the game. That Dooley, nor any other UT coach, suggested to the refs that the review official count the players UNC had participate indicates no one on the field noticed.

And adding the run-off rule is not necessarily the answer to the problem to what happened in Nashville and in Baton Rouge and that was the officials not preventing the snap until the defense can match the offenses substitutions.

Dooley has a conundrum from these two games: substitute and risk having the wrong players on the field or don't substitute and risk the officials not giving time to the defense. Had UT not subbed against LSU, we win. Had UT subbed against UNC, we win.

dead_vol_foul (Inactive) writes:

I sent a message (respectfully) to Andrew asking him to check with the guy about the 13 players being 'actively' set for the play.

If one or two others of you would, too, might give Andrew incentive to check.

Be nice, though, okay?

volsbandit writes:

"By the book, Thursday night's Music City Bowl officials got all the controversial calls at the end of regulation right, national coordinator of officials David Parry said Friday."
Oh really now.....Seems to me that when the head ref says "the game is over", then THE GAME IS OVER!

dead_vol_foul (Inactive) writes:

By the way, I like CDD...but, in reality, he should have been with it enough to challenge the 'illegal substitution' and 'illegal participation'.

VOL1SG writes:

I am not the smartest guy in the world. Now let me ask this. Should the clock have started at the whistle of the Ref or the snap of the ball. It seems to me the clock did not start till after the ball was in the air. Now most are going to say Yates spiking the ball is like an incomplete pass. But is it? The play becomes dead as soon as the center snaps the ball and the offense is flagged for the infraction. That is my question. Why didn't the ref start the clock as soon as the ball was set, since the clock starts again after offensive penalty, but does not when there is defensive penalty. Go back and watch.
Tough loss. Still love my VOLS!!

eduardo writes:

Absolute bs!! How can that not be a 15 yd penalty??? If you are gonna give them another shot then you should have penalized them 15 yds!!!!!!

AllVol1998 writes:

For everyone looking for a better (SEC official) explanation, see www.wbir.com. Rocky Goode, a 35 year official, has a different opinion of the Jackson hit and the spotting of the ball on the last play. We are just like the Stones, "Can't Get No, Satisfaction". Happy New Year and Go Vols!

AtLannaVol writes:

Horse Hockey! Let's ask the Big Ten what their official position is. That should produce a fair assessment of the unprofessional way this mess was handled.

As I told some of the freshman players after the game, I guess for the next 3 years, you will just have to ignore the final horn and line up for another play until the opposing team and their band has boarded the bus.

Just another life lesson provided by the NCAA.

Gosh I feel bad for the players. But I feel good for the future of this team.

Go Vols

playdoh writes:

"Parry said the discussion of a NFL rule has only briefly come up during his 20 years on the NCAA rules committee because there hasn't been many circumstances like that events that came up in Nashville.

"We will take a look at play and give consideration to 10-second run off," Parry said. "It doesn't seem kosher to be able to allow the team committing the foul to have a chance to kick a game-tying field goal."

This use of the word "kosher" is proof that national coordinator of officials David Parry, is an anti-semite. His ignorance of the plight of the jewish people to rise above stereotypes is reason for him to resign his position. This quote comes from an article prepared for "USA Today." The article is available on this web site.
He must resign or be forced out. Another example of his lack of judgement and carelessly exposing his own personality flaws.

I'm serious.

al2476 writes:

The fiasco at the end of the game by the refs was like when the police do something horrible to citizens and the police chief says that they follow police procedure. But everyone knows that it is a lie.

PUL4VOLS writes:

2010 is over, we don't like the ending. But a new day is dawning! GO VOLS! We know the situation with officials. It has gotten worse on all levels in my opinion over the past 10-15!

tensie2004 writes:

DOUBLE TALK - COVER YOUR BIG 10 BUTT!!! Say what you mean and mean what you say. DOUBLE TALK!!!

According to Section 1, Article 3B in the 2009-10 NCAA book of rules and interpretations, the game is ended and the score is final when the referee so declares.

Lipski's words, Parry said, weren't an end-all, be-all declaration. It was nothing more than lip service.

"Just the fact that he waves his arm and the game is over usually means the game is over," Parry said. "But there can be extenuating circumstances usually that come through replay that can correct that."

springtx_vol writes:

in response to stillafan:

All I ever hear from people who back the refs is they call it how the rule is written. So that means when the ref waves his arms and declares for everybody to hear "The game is over," then the game is over, not just lip service.

Before I start, check my post history. I am 100% UT fan and a baseball umpire with HS and college experience (just for full disclosure).

That being said, the officials did not cost us this game. Do officials make mistakes? Absolutley. But they make fewer mistakes than the players and coaches. We made too many mistakes. I personally am more upset with the call against Jackson on the hit on the sideline, but even that did not cost us the game.

Back to the calls, there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. There are always appeal/review processes after the game is "over". In baseball, the game is over with the last out of the last inning. The right to appeal ends when the last umpire leaves the field. In basketball, the game is over when the clock hits 0:00. The right to appeal ends when the officials leave the court.

Let's face it, 3 interceptions, the inability to tackle, the inability to run the ball, the inability to get consistent pressure (under control) on the QB is what cost us this game. I believe that all of this will improve next year.

GBO

onthefieldTN writes:

in response to al2476:

The fiasco at the end of the game by the refs was like when the police do something horrible to citizens and the police chief says that they follow police procedure. But everyone knows that it is a lie.

What the @*$&#(! are you talking about?! You are seriously comparing police officers, that put their lives on the line everyday, to football officials?!!! You have got to be kidding me?!! What a moron!

tensie2004 writes:

in response to FrostyVol:

Mr. Parry, are you calling me stupid?? Seriously? ARE YOU CALLING ME STUPID?? Do you think because I'm from tennessee that I cant count to 12?? People - WAKE UP!! Watch the FREAKING VIDEO. COUNT the number of people on the field who are lined up. Forget the people running off the field. THERE ARE 12 people lined up when Yates spikes the ball. By DEFINITION that is illegal participation and a 15 yard penalty. No interpretation, no judgment call. For you to even suggest that the call was correct says you are a lying FAKE and are covering for the incompetence of the big ten clowns, ERRRRR, officials. I will be finding your email and i will be requesting an explanation. I stomach'd the BS non call on T Cody last year, and the non call on LSU ripping off their helmets and the ref not standing over the ball, but this is it. Im mad as HE%% and Im not going to take it anymore. I DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY!!

I went back and watched the video and you are correct. There is a holder on one knee and a field goal kicker behind him. Is this not illegal participation if there are 12 people on the field. Where is our athletic director and why is he not raising hell on this issue. I have been neutral dealing with Hamilton so far but if he does not take up this cause, I say fire his butt!!

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