Hamilton wants facts before action

Suspended UT basketball players must come clean

My first reaction was anger, real anger. But I've learned that you should always try not to make an immediate decision on emotion. As almost always happens, you are able to get more facts and then you're able to make better decisions.

Mike Hamilton, UT Athletic Director

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Bruce Pearl spent Sunday preparing his Tennessee basketball team to play against Charlotte without four suspended players facing drug and gun charges.

His boss, men's athletic director Mike Hamilton, spent part of his day evaluating whether the UTAD has done all it could to nip this sort of unsavory activity in the bud.

Pearl said after Sunday's practice he had no new details on the misdemeanor charges resulting from a Friday traffic stop that caused him to suspend Tyler Smith, Melvin Goins, Cameron Tatum and Brian Williams.

"We are preparing to not have them for Charlotte,'' Pearl said in reference to Wednesday's game.

"As we gather more information we'll be able to determine how long the suspensions will last.''

The four players were in a car stopped for speeding by the Knoxville Police Department. Two guns and a bag of marijuana were found in the vehicle.

Pearl informed Hamilton of the incident Friday as Hamilton was driving back from the Chick-fil-A Bowl in Atlanta.

Hamilton said Sunday he and Pearl have had several conversations about the incident and its repercussions.

"My first reaction was anger, real anger,'' Hamilton said. "But I've learned that you should always try not to make an immediate decision on emotion.

"As almost always happens, you are able to get more facts and then you're able to make better decisions.''

Pearl indicated the fact-finding process is complicated because it involves the KPD and attorneys representing the players.

Hamilton said that shouldn't hinder the UTAD in determining what it needs to know to take disciplinary action.

"They (the players) have their own personal obligations to protect,'' Hamilton said, "but they have a different level of accountability to Bruce and the university because this is a privilege to play here. It's not a right.

"They have to come clean with us in what their situations are.''

Possession of a gun on campus is a violation of university policy, Hamilton said. Many student-athletes, however, live off campus.

Coming less than two months after a gun-related incident involving UT football players, Hamilton is concerned about public perception.

"This is not an indication,'' he said, "of what the lion's share of our student-athletes are about.''

He planned a "round-table discussion" with staff members Sunday night to review what the UTAD is doing to educate its athletes to their responsibilities.

"These are some guys who made some very bad decisions,'' he said. "I feel very comfortable in telling you we're very diligent in how we go about our business.

"Even with that being said, these are the kind of times when you have to tighten down the screws and say, 'What else can we be doing?' ''

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hokies4ever writes:

First do your homework Mike then send these guys down the road kicking gravels and talking to themselves!!!!!!

midnite__VOL writes:

and the plot thickens

appalachianvol writes:

Hope they get on top of this quick.!
GBO

zigvol writes:

We sure are tops in thug recruiting....

Psychovol writes:

They had hand guns! Nuff said, and they were impaired. Not a good combination.

walter1998 writes:

Oh goodie. They are going to have a "round table" discussion. That should fix it.

CJVolNMemphis writes:

Everyone deserves a second chance.

ricks995#256868 writes:

Here are the facts....they are thugs....get rid of them all.

AFTiger writes:

Phi Jamma Thug!

Lean_and_Hungry writes:

funny how some of the folks who post on here seem to be privy to "facts" that have not been confirmed or made public...

were all four impaired? did four guys own/have access to two guns between them? how much marijuana is in a baggy? how much "mens rea" (awareness of wrongdoing) did each player have? until these questions and more are answered, Hamilton and Pearl are wise to suspend judgment.

ricks995#256868 writes:

Same old song and dance...we must start recruiting character as well as ability.This happens to often in Knoxville and must be stopped. Have we ever heard of one of coach summitts players getting in trouble...none that I can remember. No player is bigger than the program.We need more Mannings and Berrys and less Nukeese and Tyler.

LEXKYVOLS writes:

Tyler should have left for the NBA after his sophomore year. Chris Lofton made him better with his outside shooting. He has been a concern of Pearls for the past two years. The team has no or will never have any chemistry as long he is on this team. Prove me wrong TYLER - PLEASE!

walter1998 writes:

None of these kids are freshman. If they don't know that you cannot do drugs and carry guns at this point in their careers at UT, then they are either STUPID or think the rules don't apply to them.

easleychuck writes:

in response to ricks995#256868:

Here are the facts....they are thugs....get rid of them all.

You appear to be a new troll (just 3 posts all today) and also, godlike. So you already know the truth. Got the winning numbers for this Saturday's drawing.

Ever been in a car where a few were smoking dope but you were not. Ever been to college in a room where others were smoking dope but you were not.

Enjoy life in your cocoon.

ricks995#256868 writes:

in response to easleychuck:

You appear to be a new troll (just 3 posts all today) and also, godlike. So you already know the truth. Got the winning numbers for this Saturday's drawing.

Ever been in a car where a few were smoking dope but you were not. Ever been to college in a room where others were smoking dope but you were not.

Enjoy life in your cocoon.

They had two guns and illegal drugs in the car. My guess is that the guns were for protection because of where they bought their pot. Just because you have no life and post all day does not give you the right to call someone who doesnt a troll. GROW UP ....what are you 12?

BTree4UT writes:

My only question is, Does the UTAD not drug test its ahtletes, and if so, is it announced or random? Seems to me random drug testing would 'weed' out the rift raft(pardon the pun!) If the facts show they are guilty, cut them loose!

LadyVolsEighTimes writes:

in response to Lean_and_Hungry:

funny how some of the folks who post on here seem to be privy to "facts" that have not been confirmed or made public...

were all four impaired? did four guys own/have access to two guns between them? how much marijuana is in a baggy? how much "mens rea" (awareness of wrongdoing) did each player have? until these questions and more are answered, Hamilton and Pearl are wise to suspend judgment.

Do you really think there is a possibility that any of them didn't know that smoking weed is against the law in every state in the Union? Unless of course you have a medical script for it of course, and none of them did.

As to the handguns, why put them under a seat if you think it is perfectly legal to have them?

ricks995#256868 writes:

in response to LadyVolsEighTimes:

Do you really think there is a possibility that any of them didn't know that smoking weed is against the law in every state in the Union? Unless of course you have a medical script for it of course, and none of them did.

As to the handguns, why put them under a seat if you think it is perfectly legal to have them?

AMEN

KingsportsGoat (Inactive) writes:

Guns and weed. What is the big deal? They were just trying to protect themselves from the football team. ESPN loves us! Thanks SlingBlades!

abnermc writes:

second amendment

BSweet writes:

Hopefully they drug tested all of them shortly after this incident. Logical thing to do, but who knows if they did the logical thing. Any of them testing positive should be suspended and forced to attend drug counseling. Unless of course this is multiple failed drug tests, then I say kick 'em. The gun owner(s) need to be cut immediately. No need for that kind of trouble on the team. Bruce needs to send a nice, LOUD message that those actions will NOT be tolerated here.

whw48#307211 writes:

Here's the facts Mikey: they had guns, weed, and alkyhol in the car. Only thing missing was hostesses! Sheesh, what a clown.

thevoice writes:

in response to LEXKYVOLS:

Tyler should have left for the NBA after his sophomore year. Chris Lofton made him better with his outside shooting. He has been a concern of Pearls for the past two years. The team has no or will never have any chemistry as long he is on this team. Prove me wrong TYLER - PLEASE!

Additionally, none of Bruce Pearl's teams will ever have chemistry and heart if he doesn't first recruit character and intelligence. Just ask Dane Bradshaw and Chris Lofton, both of whom he inherited. Instead, he's recruiting playground, selfish, nutcase, thug-like NBA wunnabes who have the IQ of a brick. Show me non-walk-on guys, logging significant playing time, who have character and heart. Maybe Prince and Chism? We need a few more Pearl.

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to itsme53792#1349745:

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First of all let me make this clear. UT was a college before Texas was a state.

You want to talk about Calipari? There was not ONE Memphis face that wanted him gone.

Grow up.

GerryOP writes:

in response to LadyVolsEighTimes:

Do you really think there is a possibility that any of them didn't know that smoking weed is against the law in every state in the Union? Unless of course you have a medical script for it of course, and none of them did.

As to the handguns, why put them under a seat if you think it is perfectly legal to have them?

We know there was weed in the car and that two guns were found under the seats. Do we know they were smoking weed? Do we know they put the guns under the seats? It would be good to have answers to these questions.

ricks995#256868 writes:

in response to GerryOP:

We know there was weed in the car and that two guns were found under the seats. Do we know they were smoking weed? Do we know they put the guns under the seats? It would be good to have answers to these questions.

WOW....we just cant face it can we now.

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to GerryOP:

We know there was weed in the car and that two guns were found under the seats. Do we know they were smoking weed? Do we know they put the guns under the seats? It would be good to have answers to these questions.

GerryOP,

Good reply. These are the same people that convicted the Duke Lacrosse team and had Jackson ready for a life's sentence.

And you have to love the Florida fans on here. Heck, they don't bother with pistols; they play with AK-47's.

I am sick of these holier than thou people.

Look, it appears these kids did something stupid. That being said they are all facing misdemeanor charges and people are ready to send them away for life. Incredible.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to thevoice:

Additionally, none of Bruce Pearl's teams will ever have chemistry and heart if he doesn't first recruit character and intelligence. Just ask Dane Bradshaw and Chris Lofton, both of whom he inherited. Instead, he's recruiting playground, selfish, nutcase, thug-like NBA wunnabes who have the IQ of a brick. Show me non-walk-on guys, logging significant playing time, who have character and heart. Maybe Prince and Chism? We need a few more Pearl.

Intelligence and character, plus athletic skill? A very hard combination to come by (just look for one of those traits in the comments on this board everyday). Not to mention 300 other D-1 schools that want them too. Oh, add that you're looking for this combo in an 18 year old.

chip8504 writes:

correct me if im wrong but...they were stopped on Alcoa Hwy. near Kingston Pike. This not considered on campus contrary to what the story says....

azorange writes:

Because I really don't know and I'm curious...where do the kids get the attorneys? I'm guessing their families hire them? Can the school provide them? Public defenders? I don't know how affluent any of the kids' families are but I do know this could get mighty expensive in legal fees. Good luck to all involved.

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to imnotDC:

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and exactly what is that? What "do you need to know?"

Do you not believe in rights guaranteed by the constitution? Maybe you should read it sometime. Put down your Archie comic and learn something.

It is not a crime to hire an attorney and ANY defense attorney would tell their clients not to talk.

Where are you from that you hate our constitution?

VolinCalif writes:

in response to itsme53792#1349745:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Check your records. UT (Tenn) was around long before U of Texas. So try to get it right.

VolsAllTheWay writes:

in response to thevoice:

Additionally, none of Bruce Pearl's teams will ever have chemistry and heart if he doesn't first recruit character and intelligence. Just ask Dane Bradshaw and Chris Lofton, both of whom he inherited. Instead, he's recruiting playground, selfish, nutcase, thug-like NBA wunnabes who have the IQ of a brick. Show me non-walk-on guys, logging significant playing time, who have character and heart. Maybe Prince and Chism? We need a few more Pearl.

OK, voice. Is Tobias Harris a good recruit or is he a bad apple? Let's get your opinion right now. Because there is an article on this website where he says we don't have to worry about him in a situation like this. I believe him. But what happens if he gets in a bad situation? Is Pearl wrong for recruiting him? Since you only want UT to recruit nice guys, tell me in the next 4 or 5 years are any of these new recruits going to cause problems? Because I can't tell.

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

Check your records. UT (Tenn) was around long before U of Texas. So try to get it right.

Seriously you are asking a Memphis fan to get something right?

Good luck with that!!!!!!

VolinCalif writes:

in response to VolFanFtl:

GerryOP,

Good reply. These are the same people that convicted the Duke Lacrosse team and had Jackson ready for a life's sentence.

And you have to love the Florida fans on here. Heck, they don't bother with pistols; they play with AK-47's.

I am sick of these holier than thou people.

Look, it appears these kids did something stupid. That being said they are all facing misdemeanor charges and people are ready to send them away for life. Incredible.

Don't know for sure but I think speeding tickets are also misdemeanor charges.

Nuthinbutorange writes:

in response to itsme53792#1349745:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

You're a total tool, aren't you? Not that it matters, because this seems to be the sum of your existence, but for the umpteenth time, UT is in Knoxville. And as you know from frequent recitation of the facts on this site, you are aware that the founding of the REAL UT predates the "Brand X" UT by several years. No one on this site really gives a rat's patoot what you call that place it Austin. I'm sure the people in Lubbock and College Station have some interesting names for it, though. As for the pot smoking, well, I'm sure they don't touch the stuff in Austin. As for the current situation with the players, let's let the facts sort themselves out before we start assassinating a school's character and reputation. What a shame. I really wanted to cheer the Longhorns on in the NC game, but tools like you make it impossible to do. Hope the Tide dances all over you Thursday night, fool.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to imnotDC:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

What would you do Charlie? Sing like a Canary?

GerryOP writes:

in response to VolFanFtl:

GerryOP,

Good reply. These are the same people that convicted the Duke Lacrosse team and had Jackson ready for a life's sentence.

And you have to love the Florida fans on here. Heck, they don't bother with pistols; they play with AK-47's.

I am sick of these holier than thou people.

Look, it appears these kids did something stupid. That being said they are all facing misdemeanor charges and people are ready to send them away for life. Incredible.

Kind of scary isn't it VolFan? If I ever end up on trial, gotta make sure my attorney asks potential juror's if they are GVX posters. Instant grounds for rejection!

When it comes to this kind of thing, the Duke LaCrosse thing always comes to mind. I'm sure it's on Hamilton's mind too.

As for the 4 stupid Vols, yup, stupid. Stupid for driving around with booze, pot, and guns in the car. Stupider yet for doing 80 in 40 with this junk in the car!

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to imnotDC:

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Your opinion somehow tries to impugn that there is something wrong with not talking to the police. Again, the 5th amendment to the constitution guarantees that right. So yes when people post ignorant posts, like yours, it's sometimes useful to refer to facts and not opinion.

Again, spin it however you want to. These kids are facing misdemeanor charges.

In this country, people's lives are not and should not be ruined for a MISDEMEANOR!

VolinCalif writes:

in response to VolFanFtl:

Seriously you are asking a Memphis fan to get something right?

Good luck with that!!!!!!

Yep. You're right

VolFanFtl writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

Don't know for sure but I think speeding tickets are also misdemeanor charges.

LOL...so is jay-walking!

GerryOP writes:

in response to imnotDC:

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That's what Hamilton told them to do and Hamilton is following Foley's advice. Foley has more experience in dealing with this kind of thing.

NorthwestVol writes:

in response to CJVolNMemphis:

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Perhaps, but it needs to be outside of the University of Tennessee.

NorthwestVol writes:

in response to VolFanFtl:

GerryOP,

Good reply. These are the same people that convicted the Duke Lacrosse team and had Jackson ready for a life's sentence.

And you have to love the Florida fans on here. Heck, they don't bother with pistols; they play with AK-47's.

I am sick of these holier than thou people.

Look, it appears these kids did something stupid. That being said they are all facing misdemeanor charges and people are ready to send them away for life. Incredible.

Only looking to send them away from UT. The legal system (such as it is) can handle the rest.

whhotchkiss#650703 writes:

in response to VolFanFtl:

LOL...so is jay-walking!

seriously, when have you ever heard of anyone getting suspended for just speeding?

as for the alcohol, it is actually legal in TN to have an open container of alcohol in the car unless its in the drivers possession. plus all these guys are 21+ so unless tatum was drinking and driving thats also a moot point.

NorthwestVol writes:

in response to et_vol_fan:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Some may say he already has.

mciahf#240671 writes:

in response to imnotDC:

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I had the same idea. They do the same thing (act stupid) that the football players did, and then think that it'll all end up differently. None of these guys are 18....someone said Tyler Smith has a child of his own. At what point do we expect they'll act like adults??

GerryOP writes:

in response to imnotDC:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Who is Louise?

Actually, there is nothing you NEED to know about this. You should be worrying about your own stupid jocks in Gainesville.

BigHornBuckShot writes:

There is a reason they were driving 80 in a 40 with Pot, alcohol, and unregistered guns in their possession......They don't have to worry about being kicked off the team. Hide and watch this take its course. They will be in uniform for the Kansas game. They know it. They watched the Janzen (L.O.) Jackson situation and know this can be spinned anyway UT wants it to be spinned. Like another poster alluded to. They just needed protection from the football team.

deakinbi writes:

I have to say it is a shame for CBP, very bad for his reputation. As for the AD, more of the same from him...terrible, unprofessional...no leadership from him. When will the University insist on an AD who is a positive reflection of the school?

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