Adams: Chance to play early has to help recruiting

Tennessee’s 2-5 start has at least clarified its recruiting message. The message is a four-letter word: “Help!”

Don’t underestimate the power of that. Programs tout their tradition, facilities, commitment to success and commitment to putting their players in the NFL. But playing time sometimes tops all of that.

Most big-time college football prospects aren’t accustomed to losing.

They’re even less accustomed to waiting. And their pulses don’t quicken when a coach tells them they could fill a vital role on special teams as a true freshman.

They think of themselves as the next Julio Jones or Marcus Lattimore. They imagine themselves in a prominent role from the outset.

All they want is an opportunity.

UT offers that opportunity, and the recruits don’t have to hear it from the head coach. They only have to observe.

The Vols aren’t competitive in the SEC, and they’re already playing freshmen in double-digit numbers every game. What more enticement do you need?

You might be wondering: If losing is such an attraction, why isn’t Vanderbilt assembling a top-10 recruiting class?

My theory has its limitations. Losing alone isn’t enough. You also need a fan base that doesn’t avoid its team as though it’s inflicted with a contagious disease.

Despite entering Saturday’s game as a double-digit underdog with a 2-4 record, the Vols drew a crowd of 102,455 against Alabama. That’s almost as noticeable to recruits as the playing opportunities.

Just because UT is playing like Vanderbilt, that doesn’t make it Vanderbilt. The Vols still have rabid fan support, a wealth of tradition, and head-turning facilities. Recruits are more apt to view the program as being down, rather than down and out.

Forget all the lost games and coaches the last few years. The Vols still have landed highly ranked recruiting classes. And with a strong finish, first-year head coach Derek Dooley could do just as well next February.

UT also has a positive selling point from a personnel perspective: its offensive line. How’s that for a turnabout?

Last spring, an offensive line with no returning starters and scant experience was regarded as the team’s most obvious weakness. Only months later, the offensive line is regarded as the foundation for a more promising future.

In the 41-10 loss to Alabama, UT’s offensive line — with the exception of senior guard Jarrod Shaw — was comprised of freshmen and sophomores. Four freshmen now have starting experience. As valuable as experience is in the offensive line, it’s even more of an asset when the experience has been acquired playing alongside one another.

If you are a running back or quarterback recruit in search of immediate playing time, wouldn’t you prefer the playing time came behind an experienced offensive line? I doubt Auburn’s pursuit of junior college quarterback Cameron Newton was hindered by its talented, experienced offensive line.

Newton provides another recruiting reminder. If you want to win championships, it’s not enough to stack one good recruiting class on top of another in the SEC. You also need a great player or two.

Look at Auburn with Newton. Look at Florida without Tim Tebow.

Alabama could have beaten the Vols without Jones and running back Trent Richardson. But it wouldn’t have beaten them with laughable ease.

Great players can save a good team on a bad day. They also can expedite the rebuilding process for a good program going through a bad time.

You don’t sign those players unless you have something to offer. And the best recruits don’t need to tour UT’s state-of-the-art facilities or study its proud football tradition to know the Vols have something to offer.

All they needed to see was the second half of the Alabama game.

John Adams may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com

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GainesvilleVol1 writes:

Where is UT now as far as recruiting goes for next year? I think we have what? 16 commitments, out of that, how many are immediate impact players? I don't disagree with Adams, but are we rushing our next class? I think it will take at least two years of quality recruits to make a big impact. Hope I'm wrong!

GO VOLS!!!!

wigmeister writes:

Patience is a virtue. This is a two to three year rebuilding project. Bring in the right kids!

BigBadVol writes:

Two years maybe three but TN will be back. Even Bama and others have had some down years. I hate the wait but it is what it is. We must be patient. Go Vols!

dgcarter43 writes:

in response to GainesvilleVol1:

Where is UT now as far as recruiting goes for next year? I think we have what? 16 commitments, out of that, how many are immediate impact players? I don't disagree with Adams, but are we rushing our next class? I think it will take at least two years of quality recruits to make a big impact. Hope I'm wrong!

GO VOLS!!!!

I think you are right. I have predicted that in 2012, The Vols will compete very well. This team will be in their third year and the incoming class will be sophomores. If the coaching staff is still in place, I believe you will be looking at an 8-9 win season and then it will be better from there on. Go Vols!!

volfan7 writes:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

SummittsCourt writes:

Name me a big time program who hasn't had some down years. Tennessee will rebound.

SEC1 writes:

in response to Plasticman:

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Wrong,although gators are struggling with their own issues i disagree with your o-line dominating in 2-3yrs or have you forgot the gators sign the best D-line in the country in Sharif Floyd, Domonic Easly, leon orr, Ronald powell, and cal transfer Chris Martin who are all true freshmen so good luck with the dominating!

rootin4volz writes:

"But it wouldn’t have beaten them with laughable ease."
"All they needed to see was the second half of the Alabama game."

Typical John Adams drivel...what APPEARS to be a positive article on Tennessee Football has a couple of shots buried deep in the article for good measure. Assinine, Mr. Adams, you are an assinine.

bushman writes:

in response to dgcarter43:

I think you are right. I have predicted that in 2012, The Vols will compete very well. This team will be in their third year and the incoming class will be sophomores. If the coaching staff is still in place, I believe you will be looking at an 8-9 win season and then it will be better from there on. Go Vols!!

If we don't win atleast 7 games in 2012 this coaching staff is gone. 8-9 and competitive in every outing in 2013 is a must also.

wildmed writes:

With very few exceptions, the VOLS are playing now with athletes they recruited and offered a full ride, and though the numbers are down, there aren't a lot of guys on Shields Watkins Field wearing the orange who are playing like scholarship performers. I was especially disappointed to hear of the current players on the roster sixteen are from the state of Georgia, yet UGA offered only two of them scholarships. We haven't been getting the right players for some time. I don't have the answer but I'd be surprised if the current coaching staff does either.

knox7320 writes:

Good Article. I happen to agree with you

IndyVolFan writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Exactly how does a "proven" team starting freshmen and sophomores that give up 20-40 lbs when they look across the line, supposed to hang with teams that rank in the top ten and have veteran players and leaders? Maybe for Carolina you can walk out on the field and "inform" their team, there is no way they can stand up to our tradition and national prominence, and lay down for a loss. Idiot.

FWBVol writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Yes, UT is a nationally known program, and historically we are a Top 10 program of all time. But other historically Top 10 programs have struggled in recent years including Michigan and Penn State.

This team however, is not a team with a proven record. Past teams have had proven records, but not this group of players.

I've been following Tennessee football since Doug Dickey was the head coach and we have never been as young as we are now, nor have we been this thin on depth.

Young players do mistakes, but most grow up as well. I doubt if any of us want to win more than CDD does and suggesting someone lay down the law and get with the program now is laughable.

The only two teams on our schedule that have not been ranked in the top 15 either in a preseason poll or in the national rankings sometime in the season are UT Martin and UAB.

There are no easy games for this team, but we are through the hardest part of the schedule and things will get better soon. We might not win too many games, but the improvement should be more noticable the rest of the season.

TNisPeerless writes:

I'd agree with the thesis if Dooley and co. were a proven commodity on a temporary downturn. However, this is obviously not the case. Dooley has to prove he can get them to the next level for them to come.

MTSUVOL writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Volfan7, I hear your momma calling for you. It's past your bed time.

Really, you can't be that stupid to believe what you posted. What fan base are you really with?

The7Maxims writes:

in response to GainesvilleVol1:

Where is UT now as far as recruiting goes for next year? I think we have what? 16 commitments, out of that, how many are immediate impact players? I don't disagree with Adams, but are we rushing our next class? I think it will take at least two years of quality recruits to make a big impact. Hope I'm wrong!

GO VOLS!!!!

We've got 19 commitments, and the guys from Scout say that we'll likely add about 7 more. Rumor has it that 4 star receiver DeAnthony Arnett will be the next commitment. Four star DT Couch committed immediately after his official visit to South Carolina, then decommitted; that doesn't look good for SC cuz the visit must have gone poorly.

Although we have a lot of 3 star guys, most of them will likely make it into school unlike Kiffins class last year this time. That's going to be very important for our depth.

stompintheswamp2 writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Cmon, who do you think would win with this team? Saban? Myer? Richt? Bear Bryant? General Neyland? We do not have the experience or depth to win in the SEC this year due to turnover, coaching changes, injuries. Name anybody that would have a winning record with this team right now...NO ONE!!! Maybe you need to get with the program!!!

chicagovol423 writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

As bad as Hamilton is, I'm glad you're not running the athletic department. If you think this is Dooley's fault you're not paying attention.

Take a look at Fulmer's last three recruiting classes (2006 to 2008 - would be juniors and seniors depending on redshirts). How many above average players are left on the team from those classes? Not many. Tauren Poole, Chris Walker, Luke Stocker, and maybe you can count Gerald Jones. He got lazy and as a result there is a lack of experience and depth now.

Then look at Kiffin's one class. It was rated a top 25 class, but 3 of his top 4 recruits have either transferred or been kicked off the team (Bryce Brown, NuKeese Richardson, and Darren Myles). There is still some potential in that class that is unproven, but the jury is still out on most of them.

Dooley is working on a two solid classes in a row of talented, high-character players that fit his system instead of just assuming that recruits will come because UT is a "nationally known team with a proven record"(like Fulmer did). This team's problem is not poor coaching. It's lack of talent and depth. Except for Georgia, they have been in every game for the first half (and you can't blame Dooley for Gordon's punt return cough ups in that game), then falls apart from getting worn down or teams finding a weakness to exploit. Dooley can't even run certain formations because he doesn't have enough DBs. They just don't have enough guys to compete with a good SEC team for four quarters, but the game plans have been solid.

Give the guy a chance. If we're not back to 8-9 wins in a couple years then you start having that conversation, but after 7 games against this kind of competition? Come on.

pickinhick writes:

It is kinda odd the disrespect the 2011 class is getting before it has even been signed. ESPN ranks TN's 2011 as 24th and expects it to rise. We are recriting talent, we are doing the best we can with what we have. You could ask for more (like wins- agains one of the 4 top 25 ranked teams we lost to this year. It is not like we have lost to slouches this year) but that is unrealistic. IMHO, we slog through the rest of this year, pick of a few wins, build some momentum off the rest of the season and start next year deeper, stonger, and looking like vintage TN!

volbald writes:

I've been as ready as the above bloggers to give DD a pass for this season because of Fulmer's complete abdication of coaching responsibility the last few years of his tenure. But Fellas, the team doesn't look like it's being coached by SEC caliber professionals. The play-calling is middle-school level and defensive schemes don't try to cover up our glaring weaknesses. Coaches being paid $2 Million+ a year have to be able to count the players on the field at all times. They're asking Simms, who may be tough and well-liked, to throw passes he can't complete into coverages he can't read. At least by this time last season, Kiffin had started calling pass plays which QB Crompton, who couldn't read defenses either, could complete. DD may have Saban's football managment book but it doesn't appear to be doing UT any good right now. All the above optimists should worry a little that this "Rocky Top Horror Show" may not be transitory. I guess we'll know by the end of October 2011. I just hate to see us lose every SEC game this seaon.

Razor784 writes:

in response to pickinhick:

It is kinda odd the disrespect the 2011 class is getting before it has even been signed. ESPN ranks TN's 2011 as 24th and expects it to rise. We are recriting talent, we are doing the best we can with what we have. You could ask for more (like wins- agains one of the 4 top 25 ranked teams we lost to this year. It is not like we have lost to slouches this year) but that is unrealistic. IMHO, we slog through the rest of this year, pick of a few wins, build some momentum off the rest of the season and start next year deeper, stonger, and looking like vintage TN!

24th sounds great, but did you also notice we're 10th in the SEC, that's what makes me skeptical about the future.

flatrock writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Read my lips: you are an idiot.

flatrock writes:

in response to volbald:

I've been as ready as the above bloggers to give DD a pass for this season because of Fulmer's complete abdication of coaching responsibility the last few years of his tenure. But Fellas, the team doesn't look like it's being coached by SEC caliber professionals. The play-calling is middle-school level and defensive schemes don't try to cover up our glaring weaknesses. Coaches being paid $2 Million+ a year have to be able to count the players on the field at all times. They're asking Simms, who may be tough and well-liked, to throw passes he can't complete into coverages he can't read. At least by this time last season, Kiffin had started calling pass plays which QB Crompton, who couldn't read defenses either, could complete. DD may have Saban's football managment book but it doesn't appear to be doing UT any good right now. All the above optimists should worry a little that this "Rocky Top Horror Show" may not be transitory. I guess we'll know by the end of October 2011. I just hate to see us lose every SEC game this seaon.

I am sick of the novices who get on here and continue to bash our coaches for the substitution
problems.

I watched 5 games this weekend and, in
everyone of them, timeouts were burned
because of substitution problems (did
you notice that Alabama had to burn a
timeout to get their defensive subs
corrected?).

I tend to blame the players more than the
coaches. Rule: do not leave the game unless
a sub notifies you that he is in and you are
out!

jryevols#222657 writes:

Oh Hang down your Dereck Dooley
Hang down your head cry
Some were born to be coaches
But attorneys should never try

This time tomorrow
Wonder where you'll be
Hiding behind Vince's coatail
Anywhere is better than at UT

So hang down your head Dereck Dooley
As Neyland looks on from Heaven
Another coach might not be any better
But at least he can count to eleven

jryevols#222657 writes:

in response to Driving_Ms_Dooley:

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I didn't ask for a response. Just speaking the truth. The fact is you know it as well , but are locked into a frame of mind that you give as flying.... I've seen better junior pro coaches , bet you have as well....

whippersnapper writes:

good article john but you could have left off the laughable comment

volsfannsc writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Seriously? This is like saying to a 5'6" basketball forward "Drive to the basket and dunk it!" Its also like telling his coach he'd better do it or we can't win and he's gone. You have to have the horses or forget it.
Now let's talk about recruiting classes. I respect Fulmer but his last few classes were aimed at star power and not to fill the needs of his team. Consequently the cupboard is bare.
Kiffin recruited for the rankings. Didn't matter if they couldn't handle the academics side of things. He did his part to make the resume look good. Get'em in here and if they become ineligible, their bad. I see Dooley recruiting what is needed, so I am encouraged. I read where people here are moaning about us not getting Cam Newton. He got busted, had character issues, and they are the same ones complaining and would have b**ched about the character of the team had we got him. So many of you demand it both ways- it just makes me sick. None of us here will make any impact on the playbook, recruiting, or game execution. The bottom line is are you willing to support this program? If not, just go away and take your b**ching somewhere else.

TLepage writes:

I know this is old news, but what exactly is Juda Parker's status with UT.... last week it was reported that he was a decommit, but he remained on our list of committed players on both scout and rivals.... James Bryant of insidetennessee.com said that they would not remove him from the list until they had received word from Juda that he is no longer a vol commit.... When i looked this morning rivals no longer has him on our list of committed players, but scout still does.... None of this surprises me, but does anyone know what exactly is going on with Juda???? It seems to me that there are a lot of conflicting reports out there about his current status, none of which are official...

tn_jack writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Not quite old enough in wisdom to make big boy decisions as proven by your idiotic post.

glaw80 writes:

The Vols didn't draw 102,000...they drew about 70,000. Alabama drew the rest.

ClarksvilleVols42 writes:

in response to jryevols#222657:

Oh Hang down your Dereck Dooley
Hang down your head cry
Some were born to be coaches
But attorneys should never try

This time tomorrow
Wonder where you'll be
Hiding behind Vince's coatail
Anywhere is better than at UT

So hang down your head Dereck Dooley
As Neyland looks on from Heaven
Another coach might not be any better
But at least he can count to eleven

you need to go back to school..your spelling sucks!

TommyJack writes:

in response to SEC1:

Wrong,although gators are struggling with their own issues i disagree with your o-line dominating in 2-3yrs or have you forgot the gators sign the best D-line in the country in Sharif Floyd, Domonic Easly, leon orr, Ronald powell, and cal transfer Chris Martin who are all true freshmen so good luck with the dominating!

Soooo, with all the years of 2-deep 5*'s, how do you explain the 3 defeats? Hmmmm? 4, after the dawgs wax your azzez. 5 after the Noles punch you silly. All this with 2-deep 5*'s. Must be the coaching. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of a-holes. Bwahahahaha

movol77 writes:

in response to jryevols#222657:

Oh Hang down your Dereck Dooley
Hang down your head cry
Some were born to be coaches
But attorneys should never try

This time tomorrow
Wonder where you'll be
Hiding behind Vince's coatail
Anywhere is better than at UT

So hang down your head Dereck Dooley
As Neyland looks on from Heaven
Another coach might not be any better
But at least he can count to eleven

Did you write that with your vintage dulcimer?

movol77 writes:

in response to glaw80:

The Vols didn't draw 102,000...they drew about 70,000. Alabama drew the rest.

exaggeration failure

glaw80 writes:

in response to slaw_way:

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Not as long as it did the writer who maintained Vols drew 102,000. Divide the stadium into %. At least 30% was wearing Crimson.

glaw80 writes:

in response to glaw80:

Not as long as it did the writer who maintained Vols drew 102,000. Divide the stadium into %. At least 30% was wearing Crimson.

And by the 8:00 minute mark in the fourth quarter, 95% were wearing Crimson.

CarthageVol writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Go find a pretty screen saver and a cold beer. Chill out! If Fulmer was still here, we would have had another losing season last year and this year. And we're better off with the unspoken one gone. He could coach, but what kind of trouble would we have been in? Don't know if Dooley is the answer, but he deserves three full years before we can call for his head. Personally, I like him.

illinoisvolfan writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Soooo, with all the years of 2-deep 5*'s, how do you explain the 3 defeats? Hmmmm? 4, after the dawgs wax your azzez. 5 after the Noles punch you silly. All this with 2-deep 5*'s. Must be the coaching. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of a-holes. Bwahahahaha

You're right TJ, three defeats could turn to five. The Lizards still have South Carolina on the schedule and even though it's in Gainesville, it's definiately no gimmie. Perhaps Urban didn't give this team enough love. Jeez, with Tebow gone, there should be plenty of love to go around.

OrangeCounsel writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Really, really stupid post.

jenna1009001 writes:

in response to GainesvilleVol1:

Where is UT now as far as recruiting goes for next year? I think we have what? 16 commitments, out of that, how many are immediate impact players? I don't disagree with Adams, but are we rushing our next class? I think it will take at least two years of quality recruits to make a big impact. Hope I'm wrong!

GO VOLS!!!!

So far the recuiting looks goods. But even if you get the Number 1 class, you never know until they hit the field and play the game. I think it will take a couple of years for Tn got get to the level we have been used to. This declined really started about 8 years ago, with the 2005 season just a hint of what was to come. Tn should have addressed Fulmers staff at that point in a more realistic manner and I say this as a fan of Fulmer, who hated to see him get fired but believed it was the right thing. I still believe that. It will take more than a couple of years to recover. Hopefully as fans we will learn not to take a winning team for granted and learn to be better fans in the process.

Munsterlander writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

Lay down the law to Dooley - yeah, that'll work.

Guess they should have done that to Saban his first year at Alabama - especially after losing to Lousiana-Monroe. They should have fired him.

Gotta love your team through the down times. Expecting none is pretty silly.

givehim6 writes:

in response to volfan7:

Why does everyone defend a 2-5 record, when the team is a nationally known team with a proven record. We should be ashamed of our eagerness to accept in stride this massive incompetence. I am tired of this Aw, Shucks, Me No Worry, We'll Get Better attitude. Someone in authority needs to lay down the law to Dooley right away and explain to him that he must not only try harder, he must also start winning some games. Dooley, get with the program now!!!!!

I was just about to post it was nice reading post from fans that could see needed time and good recruiting for another year or two and we would be back. Then here you came with your win or fire Dooley slogan. So I'll ask you, OK fire Dooley then what? The Vols need a leader were do they turn? 4 years, 4 head coaches. All stabilization's gone, the new commits that wanted to sign with Dooley, gone. Remember when Dooley was first hired we fan knew he had a long road ahead to get UT back, let's give him this.

murrayvol writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Soooo, with all the years of 2-deep 5*'s, how do you explain the 3 defeats? Hmmmm? 4, after the dawgs wax your azzez. 5 after the Noles punch you silly. All this with 2-deep 5*'s. Must be the coaching. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of a-holes. Bwahahahaha

Easily one of the more erudite posts we've seen lately.

LongBeachVolsFan writes:

I'm just glad that Dooley took the job and didn't turn it down like many others did. Does anyone ever stop to think why coaches weren't breaking their necks trying to get an interview for the job? Anybody who knows anything about football, knew that this program was at least 3 years away from seriously competing. I give Dooley credit for having the balls to not ride another coaches coat tail until the best opportunity comes available, and taking over struggling programs like LA Tech and UT.

givehim6 writes:

in response to volbald:

I've been as ready as the above bloggers to give DD a pass for this season because of Fulmer's complete abdication of coaching responsibility the last few years of his tenure. But Fellas, the team doesn't look like it's being coached by SEC caliber professionals. The play-calling is middle-school level and defensive schemes don't try to cover up our glaring weaknesses. Coaches being paid $2 Million+ a year have to be able to count the players on the field at all times. They're asking Simms, who may be tough and well-liked, to throw passes he can't complete into coverages he can't read. At least by this time last season, Kiffin had started calling pass plays which QB Crompton, who couldn't read defenses either, could complete. DD may have Saban's football managment book but it doesn't appear to be doing UT any good right now. All the above optimists should worry a little that this "Rocky Top Horror Show" may not be transitory. I guess we'll know by the end of October 2011. I just hate to see us lose every SEC game this seaon.

When I went into service I went through a few weeks of boot camp then a few weeks of tech school because as a civilian I did not know how to think like a military man. Tech school taught me the job I would be doing the next 8 years. There are what two hold overs from last years staff? But even then the way I understand it it was the Lane & Monty show, so outside those two guys there are no ex-SEC coaches on staff. The SEC plays tougher & faster then the other conferences. My point is Dooley & co. are playing OJT to learn SEC. A year playing together Will bond them, next year thy will be SEC trained together, just going through boot camp right now.

DooleysOrangePants writes:

in response to The7Maxims:

We've got 19 commitments, and the guys from Scout say that we'll likely add about 7 more. Rumor has it that 4 star receiver DeAnthony Arnett will be the next commitment. Four star DT Couch committed immediately after his official visit to South Carolina, then decommitted; that doesn't look good for SC cuz the visit must have gone poorly.

Although we have a lot of 3 star guys, most of them will likely make it into school unlike Kiffins class last year this time. That's going to be very important for our depth.

dont forget about the players kiff ran off or the ones that left because they didnt like kiff. then this year a few more left. depth, depth, depth.

i do agree with you that all of our guys must qualify. ut needs depth

i dont really put a lot of stock in the star system. i look more at what other teams are recruiting the player. if you outrecruit memphis and wyoming for a 3 star im not really impressed. if you outrecruit bama and texas for a three star youve done something imo.

there is nothing worng with 3 star players. rivals says a 3 star player is a player the will make an impact in his time in college. 4 star are all american type players and a 5 star is a cant miss pro player, immediate impact player at the college level. so take it for what its worth.

dont know for sure but it wouldnt suprise me if there are more 3 star players in the nfl than 5 star

DooleysOrangePants writes:

in response to stompintheswamp2:

Cmon, who do you think would win with this team? Saban? Myer? Richt? Bear Bryant? General Neyland? We do not have the experience or depth to win in the SEC this year due to turnover, coaching changes, injuries. Name anybody that would have a winning record with this team right now...NO ONE!!! Maybe you need to get with the program!!!

agreed that no coach could win with this team but the mental mistakes are what bothers me. and not having enough players on the field(or to many) is inexcusable.
but we (ut fans) need to try to be patient with the growing pains. GBO!

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to givehim6:

When I went into service I went through a few weeks of boot camp then a few weeks of tech school because as a civilian I did not know how to think like a military man. Tech school taught me the job I would be doing the next 8 years. There are what two hold overs from last years staff? But even then the way I understand it it was the Lane & Monty show, so outside those two guys there are no ex-SEC coaches on staff. The SEC plays tougher & faster then the other conferences. My point is Dooley & co. are playing OJT to learn SEC. A year playing together Will bond them, next year thy will be SEC trained together, just going through boot camp right now.

I like your boot camp analogy..I never would have thought of that.

LongBeachVolsFan writes:

in response to givehim6:

When I went into service I went through a few weeks of boot camp then a few weeks of tech school because as a civilian I did not know how to think like a military man. Tech school taught me the job I would be doing the next 8 years. There are what two hold overs from last years staff? But even then the way I understand it it was the Lane & Monty show, so outside those two guys there are no ex-SEC coaches on staff. The SEC plays tougher & faster then the other conferences. My point is Dooley & co. are playing OJT to learn SEC. A year playing together Will bond them, next year thy will be SEC trained together, just going through boot camp right now.

I agree that the SEC is the toughest conference in College Football, but if I were one of the multiple coaches with NFL coaching experience I wouldn't take to kindly to being referred to as an on the job trainee. The team however, is young and learning the ropes. If they can bring in a smart and mobile Center to go along with the rest of the young guys up front they could be a terror on offense in the next couple of years.

volfan7 writes:

I hear only excuses, of every type and description. Dooley is now in charge and I accept that. You would think he would say something intelligent instead of thinking of more excuses like the rest of you. It was obvious that our players were much smaller and inferior to those of Alabama. The solution is to bulk them up, not whine about unfair the game was because of their bigger men.

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