Dave Hyde: Chris Rainey is 30th player in Meyer era to be arrested

Florida head coach Urban Meyer yells  during the first half of an NCAA college football game against South Florida in Gainesville, Fla.,  Saturday, Sept. 11, 2010.

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Florida head coach Urban Meyer yells during the first half of an NCAA college football game against South Florida in Gainesville, Fla., Saturday, Sept. 11, 2010.

This Jan. 2, 2010, file photo shows Florida's Chris Rainey (3) reacting following the teams 51-24 win over Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl NCAA college football game in New Orleans. Rainey spent the night in the Alachua County Jail and is scheduled for an initial appearance Tuesday morning, Sept. 14, 2010. According to Gainesville Police, Rainey sent a woman he dated on and off the last three years a text message that read, 'Time to die,' after leaving her home Monday night.

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This Jan. 2, 2010, file photo shows Florida's Chris Rainey (3) reacting following the teams 51-24 win over Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl NCAA college football game in New Orleans. Rainey spent the night in the Alachua County Jail and is scheduled for an initial appearance Tuesday morning, Sept. 14, 2010. According to Gainesville Police, Rainey sent a woman he dated on and off the last three years a text message that read, "Time to die," after leaving her home Monday night.

Chris Rainey, according to police, stood outside a woman's apartment Monday night in Gainesville and said, "I'm here, and I will bust out your window." She told him to leave. He texted her: "Time to Die B__ ..."

When police came, the Florida football player allegedly told the woman, "Wait and see what happens when they leave."

The larger story doesn't involve judging a college kid in his worst moment. It involves waiting and seeing what happens when the police leave this latest scene of a Florida player, though.

It's waiting and seeing if the arrests in the Florida football program ever stop coming. It's waiting and seeing and hoping and urging Urban Meyer to coach his players off the field as well as he does on it.

Fifty-seven wins. Two national titles. Thirty players arrested.

That's the line on Meyer's five-plus years at Florida. Most fans at most programs would take those numbers, because winning is all they care about. So a kid gets in trouble? So what? What's his backup run the 40 in?

But, trust me, most successful coaches want to help boys become men and men become responsible. There's no reason to sound a chorus of clucked tongues that Meyer doesn't care. He cares. He tries. You watch him, you know that much.

He's just failing at this part of the job. If he doesn't change that, a tipping point will come where all his good work will be contaminated by jokes and labels. It's strange that hasn't happened already, to tell the truth.

Remember how Florida coach Steve Spurrier described Florida State as, "Criminoles" after some arrests? Do you see how Miami hasn't been able to scrape off the national tagline of, "Thug U." despite years of trying?

Do you even know how many Miami players have been arrested in nearly four years under Randy Shannon?

One.

That might be the most remarkable stat in college football today. Departed quarterback Robert Marve pulled off a car's side mirror. A misdemeanor. That's the only arrest in nearly four years at Thug U.

Why, the Dolphins had four players arrested on more serious charges just this past offseason.

Still, you can hear some people saying, "Shannon hasn't won anything at Miami." And that's true. So the question becomes whether it's equally true that good football demands bad behavior.

That's the stereotype. And, like most stereotypes, it's intellectually sloppy. Alabama won a national title last season and is No. 1 today. No Alabama player has been arrested in more than a year.

So it can be done. The Miami team that won the 2001 national title was notably clean of trouble, too. Team leaders Jonathan Vilma and Ken Dorsey were intent on proving the school could win that way.

No one expects perfect police blotters. They're kids. And it's a big, complicated world anymore. But the issues that keep coming up at Florida are more serious than a vandalized car mirror.

In the past nine months: Carlos Dunlap fell asleep, drunk, at the wheel four days before the Southeastern Conference championship game; Frankie Hammond was arrested for a DUI with open bottles of whiskey in his car; and there have been a couple of misdemeanor alcohol charges and a misdemeanor battery charge.

Now there's Rainey arrested on felony stalking charges. Does it mean Meyer has a blind spot? That he's putting winning over helping? That he's recruiting too many of the wrong players? That there's a lack of control? That Miami is doing something that Florida isn't?

Beats me.

But, if I'm Meyer, I call up Shannon after this season and have a talk. Whatever Florida is doing isn't working. Who knows, maybe Miami can pick up a diagrammed play in the exchange.

Florida is an elite program. Meyer is an elite coach. Those facts don't change. Nor does the police report saying Rainey is the latest Florida player to make a serious mistake.

What you'd like to see change, though, are some numbers. Two national and Two SEC titles under Meyer are great. But having a player of his arrested (30) for every two victories (57) seems a bit much.

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volsfannsc writes:

Not casting any stones here. I did find it strange however that a first quarter suspension for eye-gouging was all that was warranted. I really hope that Dooley clamps down on our players. Not exactly a great track record going at UT.

pdhuff#552644 writes:

Meyer wants no competition for the Fulmer Cup.

Hope we never get back in the serious running.

westennvol writes:

Seems like they need to rename the "Fulmer Cup" the "Meyer Cup", and they say UT has off the field problems. 30 arrests in 5 years. 6 per year. Hmmmm. Wonder if the genius Gator fan who dubbed the tongue-n-cheek award the Fulmer cup feel kind of stupid now?

garycg writes:

in response to westennvol:

Seems like they need to rename the "Fulmer Cup" the "Meyer Cup", and they say UT has off the field problems. 30 arrests in 5 years. 6 per year. Hmmmm. Wonder if the genius Gator fan who dubbed the tongue-n-cheek award the Fulmer cup feel kind of stupid now?

I say we change the name also

Mule_Days_King writes:

Has there been a media piece in which Meyer has addressed these issues in totality?
Where is Jeremy Foley in all this?

UT has had its own problems. That is a given. But we have seen Hamilton address the issues.
If there is a story where Meyer or Foley have addressed these, I haven't seen it.
To any Gator fans who HAVE seen it addressed by either please post a link and share it with us.
If they haven't addressed in the media then a "look the other way" impression is present.

cloudodust writes:

Hmm. Anybody heard the rumor that The Swamp will be renamed The Longest Yard..? Jokes aside, Rainey is not an isolated case of trouble on two legs. I'm guessing Meyer does his best to make his players understand right from wrong but that won't prevent some idiot from being stupid and yeah, it's a direct reflection on the university, the HC and the AD...

VOLliven2it writes:

Potential domestic violence for the future, being a total dimwit now. Even if the guy was kidding, in our current environment with threats of violence, you do not even joke about someone regarding death with a tone that you might be bringing it. How does Meyer respond? I do not know. He as all other coaches cannot be there all the time. What gets me is the fact that unlike UT, GA or other programs FL does not seem to get slammed in the media. In any event, if it continues too long, youknowwho(big brother NCAA)will be looking around. Then we all know the potential fallout from that.

Neyland writes:

Good thing Florida wears orange in their uniforms also, this way they dont have to change clothes on gameday. All those Florida fans that keep saying we recruit at the local prisons, check your own backyard before you comment on someone elses backyard.

jhayes0926#638474 writes:

Okay Vol fans. I vote to rename it the Meyer cup. I am amazed that a Fla. reporter is allowed by Meyer to report in such a negative way regarding UF. Hasn't he already banned reporters from practices, press conferences,etc.?

TommyJack writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Bwahahaha. You're sucha jahghoff.

vol88 writes:

in response to Caneoverhere:

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That's the most Schizophrenic post I've ever heard. Just kiddin' dude.

Stories like this...and Bar Brawl...and Pearlgate are just starting to get to me. I miss the days when at least 95% of the drama happened during the game.

Mule_Days_King writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Look, a-hole, I was just asking a freaking legitimate question. The issue was the 30 arrests in TOTALITY, not the Rainey issue.
The Vols HAVE addressed the issue in the media time and time again, as you and other trolls have reminded us so vehemently.
"I would think you would have enough to pay attention to at home before you slam other teams."
If you don't like us commenting on your precious Gators, tell KNS not to have stories on here about them. Otherwise, lighten up Francis.
Once again, show me where Foley has been as upfront about the legal problems. I haven't seen it. Show me where he has.

Mule_Days_King writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Way to avoid the question for the second time with conjecture. Just as I suspected.

Mule_Days_King writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Neither do Dooley, Pearl or Hammy to you. So by your own logic you may never comment on anything regarding UT's program.
That would be a 3-time avoidance of the question.

hcjournals#206623 writes:

Every one calm down......The horse is glue...

West_TN_VOL77 writes:

The arrogance over the past several years of all the Florida fans is about to come to roost...i can see the empire starting to crumble..even if it is just one piece at a time...you know what they say about Karma

VolsToTheWall writes:

in response to bartlett79:

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maybe the tally of people that want the posters of that specific institution to just stfu.

punkin writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Funny how you won't comment on the content of the article. Just keep trying to defend Meyer.

Mule_Days_King writes:

in response to BamaBeacher:

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Thanks for the input Turd Ferguson.

HallowedHill writes:

Definitely a sad trend among today's college football players.

TNLawVol writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Was it confirmed that he was off the team for good?

A current ESPN article states that "The school did not announce any disciplinary action against the 5-foot-9 junior, but offensive coordinator Steve Addazio said, 'Chris Rainey is not a part of our team right now. That's really all I have to say on that.'"

The article goes on to say that the young lady involved has asked for the charges to be dropped. I doubt that will save Rainey from some team discipline though.

77VolFS writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Easy Back, seems that Mule is asking a legitimate question. The issue was brought up by a Florida sportswriter, not some Vol fan trying to take shots. Objective folk realize this is not a specific campus issue, but a general sociological issue. That's why I support Dooley hiring a character coach & trying to "change the culture" of the program. Btw - since you seem to know that there were 7 Vols that beat up the off-duty cop you may want to call the DA, get sworn in & give your testimony - you were there, right ???

Lizardgrad89 writes:

Remember that it's 30 ARRESTS, not 30 CONVICTIONS. Many of them had charges dropped.

That's 6 arrests per year. How many UT kids were arrested this year? 7? 8? 10? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's right up there with Meyer. How many Vols have been arrested in the past 5 years? If it's not in the 30's it's the high 20's.

If the Canes want to throw stones, well they can, since they are pretty trouble free. However, Vols and Dawgs need to hold off on that, as they are running just as high as we are, if not higher.

Neyland writes:

in response to Moral_Victories_U:

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If Oregan couldnt hang 63 on us neither will Florida. See unlike Florida Oregan has a quarterback who can take a snap, and didnt rely on the defense to score points because their offense couldnt, face it Florida fans the same thing would have happened to you. Ive taken enough of your time, yall need this time to discuss your defense with your attourneys not your ball coach! GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TNLawVol writes:

in response to back2z1:

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I think you might have missed the question I asked. Can you post a link where he was kicked off the team? I didn't interpret "not with the team at this time" to mean that he was gone completely. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I assure you. I just like to stay up on my football news.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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It’s almost comical watching you Gheyturd fans getting so defensive on a Vols website. You should all be working in PR. When something happens to us, you’re the first to jump in and rub our nose in it. When something happens to you, oh well, let’s find a way to twist it all around and turn it back on Vol fans… pretty amusing.

To address your issues however:

• Only 2 players were arrested after the bar fight and 1 has been kicked off the team
• Only 3 players were arrested for the armed robbery incident (with a pellet gun, mind you) and all but 1 player was booted from the team
• The NCAA investigation has NOTHING to do with player arrests (please stay on subject)
• All those ‘former’ players you mentioned are currently in the NFL in case that escaped your feeble mind. We can’t be held accountable for their actions once they leave. When they were students here I don’t recall any arrests being made of either of them (but I could be wrong)

But of course, all the arrests that happen in Florida are seen by you as ‘insignificant’, whereas if one of our players gets caught jaywalking, well… throw the book at him!! The culture at UT is terrible!! All you Gator fans have accomplished here today is to indirectly say that player arrests are ‘ok’ as long as you’re winning. It’s not ok. I’m happy to see that Dooley is making an attempt to change the culture. The jury is still out if Meyer ever plans on doing the same!

Down_The_Field writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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here we go.

little, stallworth, goodrich, and henry had their problems in the pros, not at UT. you've posted this several times before. why don't you get the facts straight.

two of the three players involved in the robbery that were arrested under kiffin were kicked off the team. jackson, did not participate but was in the parking lot missed several games.

one of the players in the bar room brawl has been kicked off. if you read accounts from the scene, rogers was inocent. i was in knoxville that day, am i guilty too?

one of the three basketball players were kicked off the team. goins, who was just in the car, not drunk, and had all charges dropped on him, missed a whole month. i think is was about 10 games.

on the other hand, carlos dunlap is so drunk at the wheel he falls asleep, but only misses one game. there was a UT player, who's name escapes me (tight end??), at the end of the fulmer era who had a DUI in knoxville and he was kicked off the team, as he should have been.

what you and ZZZZ fail to see is that this issue has been addressed out in the open at UT over and over again. the average punishment at UT is much greater than that at UF. urbum cryer has NEVER addressed this in public....NEVER. most VOLs on this site would agree that we had a problem when fulmer had 13-14 arrest in one year. YOU and ZZZ can't even admit there's a problem. this is the difference between a poster and a troll.

you'd think that cryer would hire a CHARACTER coach, but no. it's UT that does it. i'd say cryer is too arogant to admit there's a problem.

as long as he wins, he never will.

Munsterlander writes:

in response to back2z1:

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You must be about 12, to which I'm fully expecting an "I know you are but what am I?"

You're blatantly lying, as no version of what happened nets out to 7 Vols jumping a cop and beating him senseless; you're insistence on respouting this nonsense makes it clear that you don't want to man up to problems within your program and that you're a complete jrk, and no matter what juvenile retort you come up with, you'll still be a complete jrk.

Both programs have had problems (as well as many, many others), and there should be no joy on anyone's part about it. "We're less of a thug program than you are" has got to be one of the most dimwitted arguments I've seen. Young men's futures are at stake, and there can't be any reaction other than hoping these programs and kids get a handle on it. And, yes, if institutionally the problem never seems to get better, it is fair to question whether or not the administration is up to it. UT owned up to the problem, remains to be seen if the steps they took work - but it is obvious the intent is there.

So as you sit there at your keyboard feeling all smug about how you're dumping all over Tennessee, just remember that whatever you say, no matter how you respond, you will still be a lying, dimwitted, juvenile jrk.

And I don't know what's going to happen with Rainey, but at least as of a few minutes ago, there is nothing out there from the university or through any major news outlet saying he is permanently dismissed from the team. At least you're consistent.

Bogus writes:

in response to back2z1:

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You claim that Dooley has 8-10 arrests in 8 months. By my count, Darren Myles was arrested twice and kicked off the team. DaRick Rogers was arrested once, and charges were dropped. That makes three. Please list the other 5-7 arrests under Dooley.

One of my professors used to drill home the statement "support your claims with facts and evidence".

If you claim that we had 8 or more arrests on the FOOTBALL team under Dooley, please list them. Back up your smack troll.

Bogus writes:

in response to Bogus:

You claim that Dooley has 8-10 arrests in 8 months. By my count, Darren Myles was arrested twice and kicked off the team. DaRick Rogers was arrested once, and charges were dropped. That makes three. Please list the other 5-7 arrests under Dooley.

One of my professors used to drill home the statement "support your claims with facts and evidence".

If you claim that we had 8 or more arrests on the FOOTBALL team under Dooley, please list them. Back up your smack troll.

Same goes for your claim that 7 Vols beat down the cop, and that all 7 will be on the field on Saturday. Back up your claims, ZZ.

abnermc writes:

in response to volsfannsc:

Not casting any stones here. I did find it strange however that a first quarter suspension for eye-gouging was all that was warranted. I really hope that Dooley clamps down on our players. Not exactly a great track record going at UT.

Some report that eye-gouging is coached @ Fla. And BTW the number is 34 not 30!

Down_The_Field writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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you would argue that the sky was green if you hated another team's fan.

oregon would beat UGlAy, SC, and MSU.

"flar-duh would trounce oregon" hey, like they did miami (oh) and usf? it took your coaching staff 2 quarters to figure out USF's defense.

oh, btw - oregon would beat flar-duh like a baker beats eggs.

duncanvol writes:

in response to back2z1:

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You need to get your facts straight lizard! they were more then tenn. players fighting. Anyone could have been responsible for what happend to cop. For all we know he was throwing punches his self. He was off duty and out of uniform they also said he did not say he was a cop. Should it have happend ? No! but if your in a fight in that type of atmosphere your not asking everyone who they are and if there a cop.

TennVol01 writes:

He who is pure and innocent ... throw the first stone. (and no successful program can throw a stone)

These thugs come into a program, they are put on a pedestal, then we expect all of them to be grateful. Just does not happen. No program wants to admit it, but these guys are given carte blanche. And if the player has a few great plays, the pedestal gets higher. Before long, they feel invincible. It takes an arrest to open their eyes. Meyer walks a tightrope. He allows players to do what they want until they get arrested. Then he steps in and "punishes" them. Many successful coaches follow his example. I can think of no winning coach who lost his job because too many of his players got arrested. Can you??

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to Bogus:

You claim that Dooley has 8-10 arrests in 8 months. By my count, Darren Myles was arrested twice and kicked off the team. DaRick Rogers was arrested once, and charges were dropped. That makes three. Please list the other 5-7 arrests under Dooley.

One of my professors used to drill home the statement "support your claims with facts and evidence".

If you claim that we had 8 or more arrests on the FOOTBALL team under Dooley, please list them. Back up your smack troll.

I agree,Bogus..I was sitting here counting up the ACTUAL number of arrests under Dooley...I came up with the ones you did, which was the ACTUAL number, and not a made-up number..SO it is far less that what "they" came up with.

gnm53108 writes:

This is a problem damn near everywhere that's getting worse.

I really expect Coach Dooley's VFL program is gonna help.Depending on it's success fl,and others, might start a simular program.

Yaw have fun argueing with dc and zz.

Go VOLS!

NO_DIGGITY writes:

in response to Moral_Victories_U:

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Dude, you keep asking us to write it down. I hear they teach "Real Writing" and arithmetic at Florida. Heck, even Chris Rainey learned how to spell the words "Time" "To" and "Die". If you need us to write things for you come up with something more original.

VolunteerLifer writes:

Thank God for the lousy record that Meyer has put up here, otherwise we would be getting all the negative pub.

Neyland writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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DC its funny how you never reveal who your allegiance is to. Would that be that each week you pull for a team thats winning? Would you just be the kind of fan who just hates Tennessee cuz they didnt offer you a scholarship because you were a high school football special teams specialist? My opinion your a joke and so are your therories.

gatorbaitheaven writes:

I find it funny when anyone claming to be a fan of Fla. Tenn. or Ga makes fun of other schools for arrest. We all have had way to many and most of them get thrown out wink wink for lack of evidence.

Bogus writes:

in response to SECFB:

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You're right, Bama is doing it right on and off the field. I won't question what Saban is doing, because he's doing it right. Dooley will too, but it takes time. Bama wasn't exactly squeeky-clean in Bama's first two years. Saban cleaned it up. We will too. Now, Meyer has no excuses. How many years has he been there? And how much has their team's behavior improved?

I don't think a majority of posters here are accusing Saban of running a rogue program. No need to come on here and gloat. I hate Bama, but I respect them. Not so with UF.

madmaxvol writes:

in response to back2z1:

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Even though they call it the "Fulmer Cup", Tennessee has never won the award. Look it up...

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to Bogus:

You're right, Bama is doing it right on and off the field. I won't question what Saban is doing, because he's doing it right. Dooley will too, but it takes time. Bama wasn't exactly squeeky-clean in Bama's first two years. Saban cleaned it up. We will too. Now, Meyer has no excuses. How many years has he been there? And how much has their team's behavior improved?

I don't think a majority of posters here are accusing Saban of running a rogue program. No need to come on here and gloat. I hate Bama, but I respect them. Not so with UF.

Well put!! You are telling it like it is but with class.

murrayvol writes:

in response to volsfannsc:

Not casting any stones here. I did find it strange however that a first quarter suspension for eye-gouging was all that was warranted. I really hope that Dooley clamps down on our players. Not exactly a great track record going at UT.

Spikes actually had the good sense to tell HCUM that a 1st half suspension was insufficient and took himself out of the game.

VolsToTheWall writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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maybe, but i guarantee florida loses to a tennessee, south carolina type this year too

murrayvol writes:

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But the Gaters are just so dang slammable we can't help ourselves.

BTW you do know how stalking cases end up on occasion don't you??

murrayvol writes:

in response to DC_BackByPopularDemand:

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The bad news for us is after this year we won't have Meyer to kick around anymore. Bummer!

TommyJack writes:

in response to West_TN_VOL77:

The arrogance over the past several years of all the Florida fans is about to come to roost...i can see the empire starting to crumble..even if it is just one piece at a time...you know what they say about Karma

Exactly. As bad as I dislike Bama, they are 100% better champions than the necks in FL.

murrayvol writes:

in response to TommyJack:

Exactly. As bad as I dislike Bama, they are 100% better champions than the necks in FL.

second

gatorbaitheaven writes:

in response to murrayvol:

But the Gaters are just so dang slammable we can't help ourselves.

BTW you do know how stalking cases end up on occasion don't you??

BTW you do know how kicking someone in the head ends up on occasion dont you. You can go back and forth all day at the end of the day Fla. AND Tenn. both have the same problems as do most schools. In the end if they are good enough on the field it will get swept under the rug and we all know it. Ever hear the line not enough evidence no wittness he was just in the wrong place wrong time or they were just playin around. It happens and untill they and I mean all schools have a zero tolerance policy things like this will happen

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