Event Details
- What: Tennessee vs. Florida
- When: Saturday, Sept. 18, 2010, 3:30 p.m.
- Where: Neyland Stadium
- Cost: $70
- Age limit: All ages
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Traffic jams still appear on Neyland Boulevard. Tailgate parties still go on up and down Phillip Fulmer Way. Orange-and-white clad masses still line up alongside Peyton Manning Pass for the Vol Walk.
Not much on game day has changed outside Tennessee's Neyland Stadium.
Inside, though, it's quite a bit different.
Ten times in the 13 seasons from 1995-2007, the Volunteers finished in the top 25. But they haven't been ranked since opening the season No. 18 in 2008. In the opener that season, they lost to UCLA and disappeared from the polls. And after taking a 48-13 spanking from Oregon last week, there's no sign that the Volunteers will be returning any time soon. Indeed, things could get worse quickly. The Vols play host to Florida this week, then must face LSU, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina in the next in the next six weeks; they almost certainly will be underdogs to all five.
It has gotten so bad that Tennessee backed out of a series with North Carolina that begins next season and replaced the Tar Heels with Buffalo to enhance their chances of reaching a bowl. Think about that: Tennessee, once an elite program, is ducking a basketball school.
Opponents used to come to Knoxville and leave with lumps and losses. That was the case five years ago, when ninth-ranked California arrived with national championship aspirations and left with a jolt of reality that came in a 35-18 whoopin'.
Now, those "soft" Pac-10 teams — as SEC fans often call them — have won four in a row over Tennessee. Last week's loss to Oregon was the most disturbing because of a second-half collapse that made first-year coach Derrick Dooley question the competitiveness of his players.
"We're not very deep, so we couldn't roll guys in, but it shows what we are," Dooley said after the loss. "We didn't handle adversity well and we got run out of the stadium."
The concern wasn't so much that the Vols lost to a more talented opponent, or that they blew an early 10-point lead, or that they absorbed their most lopsided non-conference defeat since falling on the road to USC 43-7 in 1981. Rather, it was that Tennessee players admittedly shut down after falling behind 20-13 when Oregon cornerback Cliff Harris intercepted a pass by junior quarterback Matt Simms and returned it 76 yards for a touchdown.
"Quite honestly, I felt like we quit," Tennessee linebacker Nick Reveiz said.
Dooley wasn't quite that blunt.
"I've been saying it for eight months: I don't really care how we are until we hit bad adversity," Dooley said. "We hit some bad adversity in the third quarter and we didn't handle it well."
The Vols should be accustomed to handling adversity. Tennessee started 10 freshmen or sophomores against Oregon; three were in the offensive line. Junior quarterback Matt Simms is playing for his third team in three years.
Dooley is the Vols' third coach in three seasons, and he was hired after Lane Kiffin left for USC just three weeks before National Signing Day. Running back Bryce Brown, once the top-rated recruit in the country, transferred to Kansas State. A July brawl in a Knoxville bar resulted in the dismissal of strong safety Darren Myles. Then, in August, defensive end Ben Martin and defensive tackle Marlon Walls were lost indefinitely with Achilles' injuries.
Those incidents may have been ominous omens for a difficult season.
Losing seasons once were as rare as Alabama fans in Knoxville. Yet with an inexperienced and undermanned team weakened by injuries and off-field incidents and with a challenging schedule, a second losing record in three seasons and a third in six seasons — appears a distinct possibility.
Heck, Tennessee can't even count on a victory over Kentucky, which it has beaten 24 consecutive seasons.
Volunteers fans seem to sense that a tough season looms. A visit from the Gators usually means a sellout crowd at Neyland Stadium. Yet tickets are available for Saturday's game.
So, when did it all start to crumble?
Though the effects were not felt immediately, Tennessee's decline can be traced to 2001, when Mark Richt was hired as Georgia's coach. The state of Georgia annually produces some of the nation's top high school talent, and Richt has been able to keep many of the top prospects from going out of state. That hurt Tennessee, which relied heavily on Georgia players to win the 1998 national championship and remain an elite program. Vols stars such as Jamal Lewis, Deon Grant and Cosey Coleman were Georgia natives.
The state of Tennessee doesn't produce enough top-level prospects to support an elite program. Furthermore, many of the state's top prospects annually come out of Memphis, which is geographically closer to seven other SEC cities than to Knoxville and where there is little in-state loyalty.
Tennessee is going to have to successfully recruit regionally and nationally to resurface among the nation's elite programs. Of course, Dooley, who coached under Nick Saban at LSU, is aware of that.
Dooley is the son of legendary Georgia coach Vince Dooley. That won't mean much to today's prospects, who weren't even born when Vince retired from Georgia in 1988. But the name may resonate with some prospects' moms and dads, and in the ultra-competitive SEC, you look for any edge you can get.
"It's important to know that the regional area outside of Knoxville is the heart and soul of this program," Dooley said when he took over in January. "We'll work from the inside out.
"It starts with my roots in Georgia. I've been recruiting the state of Texas all of my career, and that's a phenomenal state for football players. I lived in Florida for two years and developed a lot of contacts down there."
Despite his late start on the job, Dooley was able to sign a recruiting class that was ranked ninth in the nation by Rivals.com. The hope is that the Volunteers' youth this season will turn into experience and star power in the future. Despite running behind unproven blockers, junior tailback Tauren Poole still managed 162 rushing yards against Oregon. The Volunteers also have high hopes for freshman quarterback Tyler Bray, who has a strong arm but needs to add bulk to his 6-foot-6, 210-pound frame.
So, there is hope for the future.
But how long will it take for Tennessee to return to prominence? Nick Saban needed two years to restore Alabama to championship caliber. That's all Urban Meyer needed at Florida, too. But it looks as if it's going to take the Vols a while.
Like most programs that have enjoyed great success, Tennessee isn't known for great patience. Remember, Fulmer was fired in '08 after enduring just his second losing season in 17 years.
Fulmer, now an analyst for the CBS College Sports network, is a Tennessee alum, and he's not afraid to speak his mind about his alma mater.
"It's hard to watch something you've put most of your adult life into," he said in a CBS teleconference Monday. "... All of a sudden, you're watching what's transpiring now through the program and an obvious attempt to change the culture of Tennessee football that failed."
The "change of culture" reference was to Kiffin, and it's no secret that Fulmer didn't think much of his successor. But he says he likes Dooley and said Monday that he has had "two or three great meetings" with Dooley. Fulmer also said he doesn't think it will be an easy fix.
"You're looking, I think, at a fairly long-term problem, certainly with all the transition that the program has been through in the last couple of years from me to Kiffin, a good number of players that left the program, just I think a general attitude," Fulmer said. "I know my last few years, if you talked about only winning nine, it was an act of terror, and now they're pushing and hoping to win six to get in a bowl game someway."
Fulmer deserves part of the blame for the current malaise. Yes, he won a national title in '98. But he didn't win another SEC title, and in the 10 seasons after winning the national crown, Fulmer and the Vols lost at least four games six times — including in each of his last four seasons — and at least five games three times.
There is a perception that the program grew stale, and that might be the case. His recruiting fell off, as did player development. Tennessee had 38 selections in the five drafts between 1999 and 2003; in the next seven drafts, through this year's, there were 28 Vols drafted, including just four in 2008 and '09 combined.
Still, Tennessee fans will wait for Dooley to turn hope into glory. They will wait for him to teach his team to play through adversity without quitting. They will wait for him to assemble a team that can build a 10-point lead and then protect it.
But they won't wait long.
Simms suggested they may not have to.
"This was good experience for a lot of us," he said after the loss to Oregon. "We don't have a lot of experience, but there are a lot of great players on this team. This was a good learning lesson. We have a long season ahead of us and a lot of good things can happen for us."
Obviously, there is still optimism at Neyland Stadium. There just used to be more reason for it.
IT'S A LONG WAY DOWN
A look at how Tennessee has fared since winning the national title in 1998.
Year Overall/SEC Bowl Coach
1999 9-3/6-2 Fiesta Phil Fulmer
2000 8-4/5-3 Cotton Phil Fulmer
2001 11-2/7-1(ASTERISK) Citrus Phil Fulmer
2002 8-5/5-3 Peach Phil Fulmer
2003 10-3/6-2 Peach Phil Fulmer
2004 10-3/7-1(ASTERISK) Cotton Phil Fulmer
2005 5-6/3-5 None Phil Fulmer
2006 9-4/5-3 Outback Phil Fulmer
2007 10-4/6-2(ASTERISK) Outback Phil Fulmer
2008 5-7/3-5 None Phil Fulmer
2009 7-6/4-4 Chick-fil-A Lane Kiffin
NOTE: (ASTERISK)--denotes won SEC East but lost in SEC championship game
(c) 2010, McClatchy-Tribune Information Services.
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Comments » 54
born2ride writes:
Give Dooley a few years and the Vols will go 6-6 and be back in the Chick-fil-A Bowl again.
AncientVolFan writes:
This article says that recruiting fell off under Fulmer's last few years. Yet this years senior class was rated 3rd or 5th best at the time of recruiting iirc. It was the class that brought in Eric Berry and I know it rated high.
The problem being that high rated stars didn't pan out. Consider Chris Donald.
jesusvol4 writes:
Poor Tennessee, seems to be the attitude of the Tennessee community. That is the first thing that has to pass before we can start to win again. The main ingredient to becoming winners is to believe you can win. Then prepare, play every down with confidence in yourself and your team mates around you. The support from the fanbase has to be there to help along that path. Are we really helping the team by being negative and pointing at the past as the focal point. Sure it has been awhile since we have had a winning attitude around here, but we must remain focused on the future and BRING IT BACK. This team can play respectably against anybody in the country. Even in losing. They need our support in playing every down to their best ability, whether winning or losing. The WINS will come! Just PLAY WITH PRIDE! I do not think Mike Hamilton helped anything by BACKING OUT of the series with North Carolina, but it's too late now. GO VOLS!
The7Maxims writes:
All of our offensive line will return for 2011. I look for Bray to be ready to start by then, so we should improve at QB. Poole, Oku and Neal will be back. Rogers and Hunter will likely start. We'll have more experience defensively. Hughes should be a pre-season all SEC pick. Chuck Smith and Darin Hinshaw are working a big time defensive tackle in Missouri hard along with 2 other defensive tackles (one in Louisiana, and one in Georgia). Linebacker might be a weakness. I expect significant improvement next year, especially if we can get extra practice time with a bowl game appearance this year. I think we'll be ok barring anything major from the NCAA. The Oregon game showed us that Dooley can game plan, but I want to see 4 quarters of execution both offensively and defensively.
Pompey writes:
I hate the process that was used to hire Derek Dooley. It made Tennessee look like rank amatures and desperate to just fill a position.
I look at Dooley with great suspicion when he arrived since he had a loosing record in his last position which was lower level football.
Since Dooley was hired I have looked for early signs of a coach who was out of his depth. To date I have found none. In fact I have been impressed with his intelligence, attention to detail and planning and his strong belief in his plan for the program. Dooleys challenges are considerable. He must recruit at a championship level but he also must recognize championship coaching talent, something Fulmer had trouble with, and maintain a cohesive staff. Although early in his career I see many sighs that Dooley may have the tools to pull it off.
james#216392 writes:
Week three and we've been waiting for Dooley to change something?? Give me a break. Write this article two years from now. Give him time.
The7Maxims writes:
Nice post. Completely agree. I want the young guys to play. Let Rogers and Hunter run a few fade routes against Florida; they might not get the ball, but if they know they can burn one of Florida's CB's, their confidence will sky-rocket. If they don't do it, they'll learn what they can do better next time.
UTVOLSRROCKN writes:
Give CDD the time. The VOLS WILL return to glory!
mybolognahasasecondname writes:
Fulmer should shut his big phat trap. His huge ego was the downfall of UT because he rested on his laurels after 98. He was largely self serving after that as evidenced by not a single attractive job offer as a coach.
BeRealistic writes:
Dooley needs to play Bray & give the kid experience. This is the start of rebuilding this program. I don't thing Simms would get much better if he had 3 more years, I'm not blaming him for all problems but QB is a must.
Mobbdeep4life writes:
The 7Maxims,
I agree that if Hughes continues to play this way all season he will be All-SEC next year. Thanks for the info on defensive tackle recruits. Do you know the name of the player from Missouri? I have been searching for a list of players UT is recruiting. It would be nice if UT picked up a commitment from all three.
orangeman1 writes:
Yea, he also finished top 25 twice in those four years and finished with the best reg season record in the SEC less than a year before he was fired. He also had a 7-5 average over the worst 4 years of his career and had to replace a great off co. the year he was fired before the Wyoming game(which I think wouldve won had the coaches and players not been distracted) Fulmer had a top recruiting class coming in with 2 top Qb's. I guess its all about perspective, but now we have Dooley for better or worst, and I just hope he can get UT winning championships. Those are just the facts too(except for the Wyoming game opinion) I think it will be easier for fans that thought Fulmer could turn it back around once UT starts winning championships on a regular basis like UT critics expected of Fulmer. There were no excuses for Fulmer according to his critics, but at least fans will give Dooley a pass for a little while(unless games keep ending like the Oregon one).
mybolognahasasecondname writes:
Your spelling makes you suspect. I'll leave it at that.
vols2#227315 writes:
Doodley teams will never start winning with Simms at quarterback. How long will it take the fans to demand a change at quarterback. A quarterback who could not play at Louisville should not think he could in the mighty SEC.
Mule_Days_King writes:
If Simms throws another floater on an out-route for a pick six, you'll see fans screaming for Bray.
OrangePsyched writes:
ESPN, SEC WEEKLY and even many fans are jumping on the dogpile putting down our team. I love it. This will make succeeding that much sweeter. By 2012 a lot of these folks will have changed their user names or I will be reminding them of their negative comments. CDD will be here a long long time and national prominence is right around the corner. A win Saturday could move us to 25th in the polls. I will always be a fan (fanatic) about the Big Orange.
pammyvol1000 writes:
As a fan, I feel frustration like everyone else. We all want our Tennessee Vols to get back to the top. It's just not going happen this year or next. I like Dooley and I think he can do it but it will not happen like it did at Ala. and Saban.
It is what it is! But, I will continue to support those guys that do choose TN and root them on win or lose! We pick right back up after a loss and go yell the team on!
everydayisorange writes:
A very telling story line of the 2000's. This shows the decline clearly for those of you who think Fulmer should still be here! As I have said before, it will take some time [probably 4 years] to get this program back to where we want it. BTW where is nonvolnothamilton? Too much real info I guess!
The7Maxims writes:
Maurice Couch, 4 star out of Missouri:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/footba...
According to Scout, he is coming to Knoxville for an official visit.
Gabe Wright out of Georgia is a 4 star that Chuck Smith is pressing hard on:
http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&am...
Antonio Richardson from Louisiana is another 4 star DT that could commit pretty soon:
http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&am...
jhayes0926#638474 writes:
sure have a lot of astute qb experts on this site. Those calling for Bray to start are the same ones that called Crompton "Crapton" and wanting him benched. Dummies. Simms is our best chance to win. Period.
VolnPikwik writes:
You shut your big fat azz trap, moron! Do us all a favor and go support a different school, they probably won't like you either!
UTSage writes:
We got no respect from the media when were winning; we have no respect now. Our team is young, our coaches are new. Time will tell the fate of this team. We have got to stand behind this team and coaches regardless of what the media, trolls or anyone else has to say about this team. Just imagine this team as one of your own children. You wouldn't say things to discourage your kids from learning and improving. This team is full of young adults that will rise to the occasion. We need to show them all the respect and love that we can. It hurts me to see TN lose, but, it also hurts to read comments by so called FANS that disrespect UT and the Vols, as well as, everything that this school stands for. Have faith and we will prevail. GBO!!! Vol Fan 4-Ever!!!
Mule_Days_King writes:
You know how it is, jhayes. The backup is always the fan or media darling. That is until he comes in and stinks it up worse than the starter.
Mule_Days_King writes:
Pickwick Lake?
Mobbdeep4life writes:
Thanks for the information. Didn't know about Couch but I had heard about Richardson. Those would be great pickups.
HallowedHill writes:
The sky is falling! We'll never win again. Poor Tennessee.
You know why teams like Boise State win football games? They certainly don't out-recruit most of the nation. They win because they out coach the teams they play off the field and execute on the field. When Tennessee executes on the field, they look unstoppable. As long as Tennessee has the right staff that outcoaches our opponents off the field, we'll be fine.
GO VOLS!
rudy123 writes:
Yes, I also believe that we will be much improved next year. However, Bray will not be the starter next year. It will be Simms again and then in 2012 WOrley will beat Bray out for the starting job.
We will lose Chris Walker, Kevin Cooper, Savion Frazier, Gerald Jones, Lincoln, Ben Martin will red-shirt and return next year, Walls will be healthy next year and will enter the line up again,. Shaw will graduate. Nick Reveiz will graduate. Stocker will graduate. Victor Thomas will graduate. LaMarcus Thompson will graduate. Cunningham will graduate. De Moore will graduate. Gerald Williams will graduate.
Some of these guys already have capable replacements on campus. Palardy, Rivera, Da'Rick Rogers, Justin Hunter, James Stone, Zack Fulton, Fugate, Corey Miller and J. Smith, Austin Johnson, Herman Lathers, are all getting playing time this year and will move in to starting roles next year.
Another year in the conditioning program with Bennie will be a plus for us also.
We may only make a one or two game improvement next year and the following year, but then in 2013, we will be back in the top 25 and winning bowl games.
No dickaty no doudt!!!
DownTheField writes:
25... fix it, please, at least give us that
tennesseeguy98 writes:
Tennessee has beaten Kentucky 25 consecutive years...not 24.
GiveHim6TDTennessee writes:
*25 in a damn row thank you very much
volsfannsc writes:
Orangeman, I'm sorry your favorite coach joined the unemployment line. I too liked Fulmer but as the article described and as 100,000 other fans saw- he became complacent.
That top recruiting class you keep talking about did not exist. The 2 top QB's, one was Taj Boyd. Kiffin sent him packing and he enrolled at Clemson. Before he threw the first pass, he required surgery on his shoulder that knocked him out of his first season. Year two he was still rehabing under a medical redshirt. Year three and he's a third string. Not exactly a top tier QB. That whole recruiting class panned out with only a few special players. Now, having said that, I don't see Dooley getting the star power TN is accustomed to. HE WILL find players that play hard and will want to win. Reset culture 50 years, smashmouth football. Sound familiar? We will be okay, but only after going full circle with this thing. I have confidence in Dooley, our athletes, and our fan base- just resetting.
HallowedHill writes:
Right on, Rudy!
GO VOLS!
BeRealistic writes:
Dummies? You should mature more, I didn't post that Bray should start. I said Dooley should play Bray & give him more experience. I have been a VOL fan since Johnny Majors & Buddy Cruz playing days. I have forgotten more than you will ever know about UT football.
mountainbrook writes:
Replace him with who? Bray is a freshman and barely knows the offense at this point. Like it or not, Simms is all they have right now.
mountainbrook writes:
Vandy is looking at a perfect 0-12 this year. That's what happens when your coach knows you really stink and quits a few weeks before the season.
MrBamSeydu writes:
Yeah, we're trying to do what Fulmer couldn't do in 2005 and 2008.......... win 6 games??? Why is he running off at the mouth?? If he hadn't ran the program into the ground he'd still be coaching here.
Mule_Days_King writes:
Thanks for the uplifting words, Chicken Little.
yabadabadoo1026 writes:
so you obviously think there is some big difference between a floater pick and a non-floater pick, i dont think so--------who had the 4 picks in the last preseason game?????????-----theres a reason hes not in now and I'd trust Dooley's take on it more than yours
jobrando#216494 writes:
This will be Matt's last game without solid progress. Bray will start the UAB game and finish the season.
tapeworm writes:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting totally worn out with these articles that do nothing more than re-hash all the negative stuff that has befallen UT in the last 18 months. I'm ashamed to admit that I actually read this article, thinking sooner or later, I would actually read something new. Not one sentence. I realize this article was contributed by a Rivals.com writer, but who was the KNS editor that put it on the site? With all the stuff going on within the UT athletics department, why do readers of this site have to turn to CBS, ESPN, etc., for up-to-date REPORTING about UT athletics? All I know is that when outside reporters have access to more info than local reporters do, there's a problem.
ALL_VOL75 writes:
I get what you're saying...I really do.
But my mind of thought is: I would have rather had 3-5 more average years with a man trying to hang onto his life long dream(to coach the VOLS). Than spend 3-5 years of less than average football with guys who never spent one day in Ayers Hall in a F-ing hot math classroom, or what they know of Tennessee football they learned from their dad on the other sideline. Coach Fulmer has taken such a beating from VOL fans, our family, and the way he was let go really had no grace or closer. He was stabbed in the back by big money, and an AD who may never fully understand the impact of his actions. Was he at the end of his road as a top coach...yes...but he deserved more from us. He was our last connection to the General, and he(the General) is Tennessee Football.
I like Dooley, I think he will love and respect our school, our tradition, and our never ending hunger for victory. But, I suspect there will always be a bit of a disconnect, and that is pure and simply, Tennessee is not in his blood. I think the stadium looks great...but I always kinda liked the hard look of the outside, with the V O L S shining over the river.
I guess to answer your question of why can't we move forward...I'd have to say because Majors and Fulmer were all I ever knew, and now everyone wants to "change a culture" that I lived happily with for 20 plus years of UT Football...it takes time. But I wholeheartedly believe change is coming!
orangeman1 writes:
I cant remember the exact names of the recruits that decommitted, but there were more Fr and Soph's in 2008 that arent at UT now for different reasons. Ramone Johnson, Darrius Myers, William Brimfield, Sawtelle, M Bowens. Aaron Douglas. Add those 6 and the ones that decommitted and there would be alot more depth on the O-line. So, to answer who's fault? Who do you blame injuries or kids quitting the team? I dont put all the blame on Fulmer for lack of depth, because the fact is there were many reasons for it.
orangeman1 writes:
I still think it was a mistake to dismantle the whole program isntead of fixing the offense or giving it a chance. UT wasnt close to rock bottom with the top recruiting class Fulmer had coming in and the talent on the team last year. The reason its so bad now is because they fired Fulmer and hired Kiffin. I am a true fan and will always support the Vols. I was critical of Kiffin but folks defended him even when he was getting us in trouble and fans just blindly supported and defended him. I like Dooley better than Kiffin and hope he can meet fan expectations,but I still think Fulmer couldve had UT competing for the SEC this year. He never went more than a year without winning at least 9 games so there was no reason to think he couldnt do it again. If the process is getting put on probation and losing 20 players and only winning 7 games tops for 3 or more years then I guess I dont understand the process when you had a loyal coach that had proven he could compete for championships less than a year before he was fired, and never went more than a year without winning 9 games.
CCLC writes:
"Derek Dooley is likely a step in the right direction for many reasons. He recruits, something his penultimate predecessor did not do in the last three or four years of his program. He is not a d!ck, unlike his predecessor, and will not pile any loaner cars into lakes late at night under suspicious conditions. He has his team practicing good shower discipline. Dooley's a hands-on guy, and will probably get the program into a respectable spot in the SEC East before being fired for only winning eight games one year. Then Mike Hamilton will reach into his bag of HR magic, root around for three seconds or so, and hire Les Miles. This will trigger a series of dignified, General Neyland-approved suicides across East Tennessee, and no one will blame any of you for a damn second for it. "
coltvol33 writes:
VandyGrad....VandyGrad. So much for the theory that you guys are intelligent. Let's see if you are on this board after the Vandy game. We figure the law of averages with Kentucky has to come into play sometime, so maybe you just need to hang your hopes on that.
TKO writes:
Give'm hell Coach Dooley.
byrdsview writes:
this is the best article i have read in a long time
whistlinwingman writes:
No way did Nick Satan and Herban Myer inherit a young, lack of depth team such as this one. So that comparison is irrelevant. Dooley will need a couple more years and we will be fine. Judgement cannot and should not start after week two and the first loss. If our beloved Vols and CDD pulled of a miracle and beat the Gators this week, then people would think he should win a NC next year. Give it time. We will contend again. NO way does Fulmer or Kiffin do any better with this team. Fulmer wouldn't play freshmen so we would have 6 men on the field. Kiffin to loyal to rivals ratings to play the best men.
volboy81 writes:
who is this guy writing this and why is it on govolsxtra? We all already know what we did in the 90s and what we've done, or havent done since. Its called cyclical. Remember, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, Southern Cal and a few more prominant programs were down in the 90s and look at them now! We'll be back. We're Tennessee!
...and by the way, we've beaten Kentucky 25 straight times, not 24.
Pompey writes:
...so that is all that you have for us...I'll leave it at that!
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