Adams: UT-Florida rivalry just isn't the same

John Adams

The Tennessee-Florida rivalry isn't what it used to be. You can tell by the threats.

In the mid-1990s, the Gators would sometimes warn the Vols as to what atrocities they planned to commit against them. Now, all you have is Florida running back Chris Rainey threatening his girlfriend.

The girlfriend later said she didn't feel threatened by Rainey and didn't press charges.

After watching Rainey play the first two games, I agree. He's not a threat.

On a less serious note, longtime followers of the rivalry should be mildly amused by the news that former UT coach and Florida punching bag Phillip Fulmer will provide game commentary for CBS College Sports Network. Although I haven't seen the script, well placed sources indicate Fulmer will explain how through sheer strategic genius he kept the Vols within 39 points of the Gators in 2007.

On a more serious note, Fulmer expressed sadness and dismay this week over the current state of the UT program, pointing out that he led the Vols into the SEC championship game just three years ago.

Who says soap-opera stars are the ones suffering from amnesia? Fulmer apparently has forgotten the entire 2008 season.

We wish the former coach a speedy recovery.

Florida 23, Tennessee 16: For most of two games, Florida's offense looked as though it was conceived by former UT offensive coordinator Dave Clawson and executed by the 2008 Vols. But the Gators showed just enough offense in the second half against South Florida to make you think they can avoid an upset at Neyland Stadium.

Arkansas 31, Georgia 27: Bulldogs coach Mark Richt said his team was too timid at times against South Carolina. You know what that means.

The Bulldogs will storm the field after their first touchdown.

LSU 24, Mississippi State 17: Tigers quarterback Jordan Jefferson, who has been regressing since his freshman season, got the dreaded vote of confidence from coach Les Miles after completing eight of 20 passes against Vanderbilt last week.

Ole Miss 27, Vanderbilt 20: The Commodores are already in mid-season form. They rank last in the SEC in 11 statistical categories.

Auburn 30, Clemson 23: Former Vol Dennis Rogan should feel better about being run over by Cameron Newton three years ago in The Swamp. Newton, who was Tim Tebow's backup at the time, is the SEC's second-leading rusher after two games as Auburn's starting quarterback.

Alabama 45, Duke 10: The Blue Devils defense (seriously, they have one) got a boost this week when Tide coach Nick Saban said Heisman Trophy running back Mark Ingram was healthy enough to play. Every Ingram carry means one less time a Duke defender will be run over by Trent Richardson

South Carolina 34, Furman 10: Gamecocks fans should be pleased to know star freshman running back Marcus Lattimore hasn't cut a deal with an agent. Any agent would have had his client feign injury before carrying the ball 37 times in a single game, as Lattimore did last week.

Kentucky 45, Akron 14: As Tennessee looks to lighten its future non-conference schedule, it should consult with Kentucky athletic director Mitch Barnhardt. The Wildcats' three FBS non-conference opponents were a combined 7-29 last season, and FCS opponent Charleston Southern has been outscored 173-10 in three games against BCS schools.

Top 25: Ohio State 42, Ohio University 14; Boise State 45, Wyoming 17; TCU 38, Baylor 14; Oregon 57, Portland State 10; Texas Tech 30, Texas 27; Oklahoma 42, Air Force 17; Washington 27, Nebraska 24; Iowa 31, Arizona 24; Wisconsin 40, Arizona State 20; Utah 34, New Mexico 7; Southern California 34, Minnesota 17; Stanford 42, Wake Forest 27; Michigan 45, Massachusetts 13; West Virginia 27, Maryland 20; Penn State 39, Kent State 17; Houston 34, UCLA 27; Oregon State 38, Louisville 22.

Record: 41-2 (.953) overall, 15-17 (.469) against the spread.

John Adams may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com.

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orangecountyvols writes:

Bless his heart, but if Phil has anything to do with this game...............it may not be a good omen.

jhayes0926#638474 writes:

Well, good to see JA is predicting a close game for UT. A little surprising.

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Bless his heart, but if Phil has anything to do with this game...............it may not be a good omen.

I have had some really good omens the whole day today, and hopefully that will be enough to override that "not so good" omen..LOL!!

jjsteel writes:

This my last read of any JA articles.

djstatik writes:

At least no more Tebow. That's gotta count for something. I predict an opposite game than Oregon. Vols come out and play flat during the first half then Tauren Poole lights it up in the second. Vols 27 Gators 23

TommyJack writes:

JA bustin some FHCPF chops.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog:

I have had some really good omens the whole day today, and hopefully that will be enough to override that "not so good" omen..LOL!!

Hey PandG don't use up those good omen's I am sure we will need them tomorrow. Don't know who will show up for the Vol's. The first or the second half players of the Or game so to be a winner I'll go both ways.
*** IF ****** ****** Score ***
First half Vols ---------27-21 Vols
Second half Vols -----35-14 Fl

I know I know But I have faith the 1st half will show tomorrew.

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

There will be plenty of good omens tomorrow as well because we are eating Gator tomorrow before the game and during...LOL!!

whistlinwingman writes:

Im sick of this never played a down, made a hoop, hit a baseball, 3rd string waterboy, practice team manager attitude JA brings. Jab after jab after jab. I dont care how close JA predicted the score.

I feel it was time for CPF to leave but the punching bag comment touched a nerve. Im over it.

VOLtage writes:

Record: 41-2 (.953) overall, 15-17 (.469) against the spread. 2 loses????????

veloce928 writes:

John Adams comes across as such a sarcastic jerk.

ETownVol writes:

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NorthwestVol writes:

I still respect what Coach Fulmer did for UT, but golly, he needs to just hush up.

Cash writes:

the best way to neuter JA is not post to his dribble.

oops, I just did.

smokies_old_soul writes:

gosh mr. adams - you must be so impressed with your perceived clevrness. i'm not.

khelton657 writes:

Good article by Adams, honest, entertaining

ncvol17 writes:

Just a thought - isn't the stadium just beautiful after the renovation? Especially at night...GBO

3rdn8 writes:

Good luck tomorrow Vols. Hope you take it to 'em.

I'm a Bama fan, but am becoming a big Derek Dooley fan as well.

Remeber that "Kiffin" in German means "Mann, der Esel frisst Schwänze"

miketn6 writes:

John Adams is hilarious! :-)

thereturnoftriumph writes:

in response to ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog:

There will be plenty of good omens tomorrow as well because we are eating Gator tomorrow before the game and during...LOL!!

prowlin my friend, make sure it is well battered
and deep fried. by the way, it tastes like chicken.
ok, Triumph would like to make his final comments
on the game:
am i a gator fan: yes
do i think the gators will win: yes but not a solid yes.
can the Vols win: definitly
there are no "gimmes" in the SEC. I was there
when Auburn beat us in the swamp, i was there when Ol Miss beat us in the swamp,(4th and one what play do we call??) i was there when Arky took us to the limit last year( please, no comments about the refs!)
How UT will win:
1) Poole and Oku run wild. UT controls the clock.
2) Simms "manages" the game. not called on to make big plays. (gator defense 8 ints in two games, 2 for a pick six.
3) UF's special teams go in the tank, fgs and extra points.
4) Pouncy thinks he is playing basketball and tries to perfect his bounce passes.
5) UT hangs in the game for 3 quarters with a frantic UT crowd behind them.
How UF will win:
1) UF stuffs the Vol running game.
2) Simms forced to win it in the air against
UF's db's.
3) UF's special teams step up. (big returns and blocked kicks)
4) lack of depth wears down UT
5) Dooley has Albert Haynesworth give pre-game inspirtional message. (sorry! could not resist)
MVP considering which team wins
UT: Stocker/ big plays on third downs
UF: Demps/ is there any other choice?
Who wins? the team with the most points.
Here is for a well played game. No controversies and NO serious injurys.
If the Vols win: i will be one of the first ones
to give them congrats.
If the Gators win: i will probably be as welcome
as Jeff Gordan at a Dale Jr fan club meeting but i promise i wll not gloat.
everyone enjoy, remeber it is just a game.
final prediction: no one in the SEC goes undefeated this year.
peace!
Triumph the insult comic dog

Vols7Twins writes:

Ole Phil setting home making millions.
J.A. working for peanuts at a newspaper about to go under.

ClarksvilleVols42 writes:

in response to thereturnoftriumph:

prowlin my friend, make sure it is well battered
and deep fried. by the way, it tastes like chicken.
ok, Triumph would like to make his final comments
on the game:
am i a gator fan: yes
do i think the gators will win: yes but not a solid yes.
can the Vols win: definitly
there are no "gimmes" in the SEC. I was there
when Auburn beat us in the swamp, i was there when Ol Miss beat us in the swamp,(4th and one what play do we call??) i was there when Arky took us to the limit last year( please, no comments about the refs!)
How UT will win:
1) Poole and Oku run wild. UT controls the clock.
2) Simms "manages" the game. not called on to make big plays. (gator defense 8 ints in two games, 2 for a pick six.
3) UF's special teams go in the tank, fgs and extra points.
4) Pouncy thinks he is playing basketball and tries to perfect his bounce passes.
5) UT hangs in the game for 3 quarters with a frantic UT crowd behind them.
How UF will win:
1) UF stuffs the Vol running game.
2) Simms forced to win it in the air against
UF's db's.
3) UF's special teams step up. (big returns and blocked kicks)
4) lack of depth wears down UT
5) Dooley has Albert Haynesworth give pre-game inspirtional message. (sorry! could not resist)
MVP considering which team wins
UT: Stocker/ big plays on third downs
UF: Demps/ is there any other choice?
Who wins? the team with the most points.
Here is for a well played game. No controversies and NO serious injurys.
If the Vols win: i will be one of the first ones
to give them congrats.
If the Gators win: i will probably be as welcome
as Jeff Gordan at a Dale Jr fan club meeting but i promise i wll not gloat.
everyone enjoy, remeber it is just a game.
final prediction: no one in the SEC goes undefeated this year.
peace!
Triumph the insult comic dog

Classy post!!

idiot writes:

Where would we be without Phillip? Thanks coach!It's your senior,junior and redshirt sophomore class that has left us with the worst talent and lack of depth since 1963.Your old fashioned good ole boy style quit working in 2002. How dare you refer to the championship game of 3 years ago.
What luck! We should have had a losing season. Why did Tuberville get a great job in 1 year? How many offers how you fielded in the last 3 years? NONE. I'm a UT Alumni,I love Tennessee but CBS hasn't contacted me for my opinion. Take responsibility for our problems instead of talking about how sad you are about the program.

thereturnoftriumph writes:

one other thing. do any any of you guys or gals
know the perfect way to boil peanuts. i buy mine at my local grocery store amd usally get it right
about 50% of the time.
appreciate any help
TTICD

jobrando#216494 writes:

in response to bigorangegoon:

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These are fighting words to his followers. I sure hope this coach can turn it around Saturday. Make it 20-20 for the series and began to reverse the Fulmer years of misery against the Gators.

bobo96 writes:

in response to jjsteel:

This my last read of any JA articles.

I am with you JJSteel.

Adams is not worth my time. He is a hack, has no respect for tradition and knows less about football than me.

Why read his phooey? Anyone?

thereturnoftriumph writes:

in response to back2z1:

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bianchi is a "ho". in my market (central florida) he does a pre-game pro gator show before the CBS telecast.
have no respect for the man.
like i said, he is a jim rhome wanna be

bobo96 writes:

bigorangegoon:

"However, making the title game ain't nothing, especially when the whole division was down"

Really? That is the most asinine thing I have ever read. Making the title game ain't nothing?

You, sir, are officially certified as a moron. Enjoy your certificate, and look both ways before crossing the street for your own good.

Next.

volengr#233707 writes:

We have way to many insecure backwood rdneck fans here. Learn to listen to non-homer media every now and then, or degenerate into states left behind like AL, MS and AR. This article was funny as he((

whistlinwingman writes:

in response to thereturnoftriumph:

prowlin my friend, make sure it is well battered
and deep fried. by the way, it tastes like chicken.
ok, Triumph would like to make his final comments
on the game:
am i a gator fan: yes
do i think the gators will win: yes but not a solid yes.
can the Vols win: definitly
there are no "gimmes" in the SEC. I was there
when Auburn beat us in the swamp, i was there when Ol Miss beat us in the swamp,(4th and one what play do we call??) i was there when Arky took us to the limit last year( please, no comments about the refs!)
How UT will win:
1) Poole and Oku run wild. UT controls the clock.
2) Simms "manages" the game. not called on to make big plays. (gator defense 8 ints in two games, 2 for a pick six.
3) UF's special teams go in the tank, fgs and extra points.
4) Pouncy thinks he is playing basketball and tries to perfect his bounce passes.
5) UT hangs in the game for 3 quarters with a frantic UT crowd behind them.
How UF will win:
1) UF stuffs the Vol running game.
2) Simms forced to win it in the air against
UF's db's.
3) UF's special teams step up. (big returns and blocked kicks)
4) lack of depth wears down UT
5) Dooley has Albert Haynesworth give pre-game inspirtional message. (sorry! could not resist)
MVP considering which team wins
UT: Stocker/ big plays on third downs
UF: Demps/ is there any other choice?
Who wins? the team with the most points.
Here is for a well played game. No controversies and NO serious injurys.
If the Vols win: i will be one of the first ones
to give them congrats.
If the Gators win: i will probably be as welcome
as Jeff Gordan at a Dale Jr fan club meeting but i promise i wll not gloat.
everyone enjoy, remeber it is just a game.
final prediction: no one in the SEC goes undefeated this year.
peace!
Triumph the insult comic dog

Good post

ETownVol writes:

in response to whistlinwingman:

Good post

I agree. Good post, Gator. Nice to see a friendly adversary on this board.... you should give lessons to some of your fellow UF fans.

thereturnoftriumph writes:

in response to ETownVol:

I agree. Good post, Gator. Nice to see a friendly adversary on this board.... you should give lessons to some of your fellow UF fans.

i have nothing to do with any other gator fan who posts in here. as i have always said, i respect the house i am in. sorry if my prediction was long winded (2 million words or less)
just love my gators and SEC football.
TTICD

OrangePride writes:

I wonder if JA will EVER get over bashing Fulmer. The man is no longer coach, JA. Focus on something important. As for your picks, I am picking Miss. State to upset LSU. I think the Tigers are not at all in sync this year. Let's hope it stays that way til we get past 'em. GO VOLS, BEAT DOSE GATORS!!

murrayvol writes:

in response to jjsteel:

This my last read of any JA articles.

You know you don't mean that.

Lostvolinhighweeds writes:

in response to thereturnoftriumph:

one other thing. do any any of you guys or gals
know the perfect way to boil peanuts. i buy mine at my local grocery store amd usally get it right
about 50% of the time.
appreciate any help
TTICD

Sounds like about 1/2 the time they're too ripe.
Only green peanuts should be boiled.
Can't give more than that as I have never boiled any that was not pulled that day.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Vols7Twins:

Ole Phil setting home making millions.
J.A. working for peanuts at a newspaper about to go under.

Phil's not "setting" at home. He's workin' like heck.

UTAlum88 (Inactive) writes:

If we win tomorrow and don't win any other games, then it will be a successful season in my opinion. BEAT THOSE GATORS!

whistlinwingman writes:

in response to bankofdad3:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

I don't give a rat's turdcutter what Adams thinks. But if Fulmer does become the A.D that will be the day my support with UT ceases. My diploma will also be taken down until further notice. And any and all UT apparel wil be put in a yard sale or given to Goodwill.

CPF was a great coach in the 90's and was loyal to the university, but has absolutely no business being the A.D. He couldn't even hire an offensive coordinator/

Lostvolinhighweeds writes:

in response to thereturnoftriumph:

prowlin my friend, make sure it is well battered
and deep fried. by the way, it tastes like chicken.
ok, Triumph would like to make his final comments
on the game:
am i a gator fan: yes
do i think the gators will win: yes but not a solid yes.
can the Vols win: definitly
there are no "gimmes" in the SEC. I was there
when Auburn beat us in the swamp, i was there when Ol Miss beat us in the swamp,(4th and one what play do we call??) i was there when Arky took us to the limit last year( please, no comments about the refs!)
How UT will win:
1) Poole and Oku run wild. UT controls the clock.
2) Simms "manages" the game. not called on to make big plays. (gator defense 8 ints in two games, 2 for a pick six.
3) UF's special teams go in the tank, fgs and extra points.
4) Pouncy thinks he is playing basketball and tries to perfect his bounce passes.
5) UT hangs in the game for 3 quarters with a frantic UT crowd behind them.
How UF will win:
1) UF stuffs the Vol running game.
2) Simms forced to win it in the air against
UF's db's.
3) UF's special teams step up. (big returns and blocked kicks)
4) lack of depth wears down UT
5) Dooley has Albert Haynesworth give pre-game inspirtional message. (sorry! could not resist)
MVP considering which team wins
UT: Stocker/ big plays on third downs
UF: Demps/ is there any other choice?
Who wins? the team with the most points.
Here is for a well played game. No controversies and NO serious injurys.
If the Vols win: i will be one of the first ones
to give them congrats.
If the Gators win: i will probably be as welcome
as Jeff Gordan at a Dale Jr fan club meeting but i promise i wll not gloat.
everyone enjoy, remeber it is just a game.
final prediction: no one in the SEC goes undefeated this year.
peace!
Triumph the insult comic dog

Excellent,classy post. I personally will not mind your presence here tomorrow win or lose if it is sans gloat (by either side).
Being a Tennessee born Vol, of course I WANT a win, but what I really hope for is a hotly contested for 60 min., well played, injury free game.
Lets keep in mind that the winner is not decided by who has the most talent, but by who gets there the firstest with the mostest and the bestest.

COVolsFan writes:

John Adams is an as$.

VOLtage writes:

Truly miss Dave Hooker and John Adams together on 990am. Thought they were a funny duo.

jdf writes:

in response to Vols7Twins:

Ole Phil setting home making millions.
J.A. working for peanuts at a newspaper about to go under.

you should work for the paper. you can spell check for them

hcjournals#206623 writes:

Once again Adams makes himself part of the story by cutting down Phil Fulmer. The reason everyone hates you is because of the way you excoriated him 3 years ago. We know it, you know it. You made your self the story, which is rule number one and the line you don't cross. So getting your licks in by saying how screwed up Phil Fulmer is ill timed and in bad form. By the way......Coach Fulmer is one of us....So my advice to you is to find another dog to kick. I am in publishing and for you, as screwed up as daily newspapers are these days, to be as cavalier as you are when your own house is made of extremely thin glass, amazes me. You have single handedly caused long time KNS readers to have a bad taste or at least a less positive attitude about the paper because you became part of the story. You caused a groundswell, got Fulmer fired and celebrated Kiffin's arrival. Go ahead.....Deny it....Now we have turned into the also ran to a rival who didn't exist before 1990. Thanks.....Hope when you get home every night at least the cat likes you. Because you took the one thing you possess....The power to influence and you abused that very sacred privilege. And now Florida, with their wife beater clothed idiots think they own us.....Hope you are happy with yourself. Change and get a little perspective before it is too late.....Grow up....I'm out. Sorry for the diatribe......

7_Game_Maxims writes:

in response to Vols7Twins:

Ole Phil setting home making millions.
J.A. working for peanuts at a newspaper about to go under.

Yeah, I like this. Mr. Idiot JA can't afford to have his in-grown toenail fixed and blames it on Fulmer. I can't wait 'til this b-turd is incapicitated. Miss St. 27 - LSU 14. FU JA!

7_Game_Maxims writes:

in response to jdf:

you should work for the paper. you can spell check for them

they don't hire spell checkers

eefor10c writes:

adams, you are so far below national championship coach Phillip Fulmer that you could not kiss the bottom of his shoes. Get over it. He is gone. Too bad it wasn't you. All you Fulmer haters who became big iffin fans need to realize that we don't have a decent quarterback because of ole' iffin. Remember, Coach Fulmer had recruited a highly ranked QB that "didn't fit in iffin's style". Fulmer would be as good an AD as Dickey. Remember that Dickey is the one who threw the bowl game with Florida and then left UT for UF. Fulmer is orange through and through. Which is more than I can say for a lot of these posters.

7_Game_Maxims writes:

in response to hcjournals#206623:

Once again Adams makes himself part of the story by cutting down Phil Fulmer. The reason everyone hates you is because of the way you excoriated him 3 years ago. We know it, you know it. You made your self the story, which is rule number one and the line you don't cross. So getting your licks in by saying how screwed up Phil Fulmer is ill timed and in bad form. By the way......Coach Fulmer is one of us....So my advice to you is to find another dog to kick. I am in publishing and for you, as screwed up as daily newspapers are these days, to be as cavalier as you are when your own house is made of extremely thin glass, amazes me. You have single handedly caused long time KNS readers to have a bad taste or at least a less positive attitude about the paper because you became part of the story. You caused a groundswell, got Fulmer fired and celebrated Kiffin's arrival. Go ahead.....Deny it....Now we have turned into the also ran to a rival who didn't exist before 1990. Thanks.....Hope when you get home every night at least the cat likes you. Because you took the one thing you possess....The power to influence and you abused that very sacred privilege. And now Florida, with their wife beater clothed idiots think they own us.....Hope you are happy with yourself. Change and get a little perspective before it is too late.....Grow up....I'm out. Sorry for the diatribe......

I would normally post this under Take Bk Knox but I'm too lazy. The reason everyone hates him goes well beyond three years. I personally remember the '98 championship season when he tried so hard to poison our minds against Fulmer. His negativity was disgusting. Fulmer would later post the Tennessean's front page NC headline in his office instead of KNS'. Maybe there is some truth to not doing battle with the guys with the ink. I will cheer when JA's gone (being nice).

ALL_VOL75 writes:

in response to thereturnoftriumph:

one other thing. do any any of you guys or gals
know the perfect way to boil peanuts. i buy mine at my local grocery store amd usally get it right
about 50% of the time.
appreciate any help
TTICD

buy 3-5 lbs of Green/Raw Peanuts (NOT roasted)
rinse them until water runs clear
soak'em in water for 30 mins
in a large pot cover them with salt water (1 cup salt to a gallon of water)
boil them for 5 hours
enjoy!

TKO writes:

Good take on the current state of UT/FL affairs. good predictions except there is no way Washington beats Nebraska. The nudslide started with some dismal recruiting years with Fulmer.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to UofTNFan:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

I don't think it is KNS. It's just the way to sell papers. I really like
Griff. Strange is not bad but needs to flower things up a little to keep interest among the fans. JA has had some good stuff in his day but the way he comes across makes one wonder. He does tell it how he sees it and in a way i like that. Can't really stand all ME TOO attitudes. There wouldn't be much to talk about with your buddy if there were no differences.
Good night UTF you are either up very late or up early. Hang in there tomorrow I'll miss the first Qt because my grandson has a peewee game at 11:30. I am raising him and his little sister so as a Dad I have to be there. Go Vols Skin the Gators.

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