With NCAA investigation now in the past, Derek Dooley hopes for recruiting 'boost'

NCAA cloud lifted from Vols

Tennessee head football coach Derek Dooley talks about recruiting and the 2010 signing class on Wednesday, Feb 3, 2010 at Neyland Stadium.

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Tennessee head football coach Derek Dooley talks about recruiting and the 2010 signing class on Wednesday, Feb 3, 2010 at Neyland Stadium.

As he stood in the North end zone late Wednesday night at Neyland Stadium, Derek Dooley rattled off the infamous timeline Tennessee fans grew to loathe throughout the waning months of the NCAA investigation.

Only Dooley's timeline, which he used to explain why recruiting came with an additional mountain of a hurdle through his first 19 months with the Vols, went back a little farther than the one that typically popped up during nationally televised UT men's basketball games.

Former men's basketball coach Bruce Pearl's tear-filled news conference last September — when the gravity of the NCAA probe into UT's program was truly realized and presented on a national platform — wasn't at the beginning. Instead, Dooley started at Dec. 8, 2009, a little more than one month before he was hired to replace Lane Kiffin.

"Hostess-Gate," Dooley called it, referring to The New York Times story that was first to reveal the NCAA's inquiry into the program's use of its Orange Pride hostess group.

From there, it only got worse.

After Pearl's news conference, it was the "negative energy" that hovered over the entire athletic department during the 2010-11 men's basketball season. Then Pearl and his entire staff were fired. Then came the Committee on Infractions hearing. Then came the waiting.

All the while, Dooley and his staff were trying to put together crucial recruiting classes to rebuild a once-proud program decimated by a combination of attrition and instability.

And rival coaches were using everything that happened under UT's roof against the Vols.

"You can't give somebody better ammunition," Dooley said.

With the investigation officially closing Wednesday, Dooley and his staff no longer have to dodge bullets on the recruiting trail. The football program, outside of a few minor self-imposed restrictions, won't face any further penalties.

Thursday marked the first full day when Dooley and his assistants didn't have to address the NCAA investigation when speaking with recruits and their parents.

It promises to make a world of difference as they put the finishing touches on a 2012 class that already includes 16 commitments.

"It's going to be new to me since I've been here," Dooley said. "Hopefully it will be a boost for us."

Just two months ago, UT's class stood at an SEC-low two commitments during what Dooley described as a "very difficult spring." It's a critical time for every coaching staff in the country to conduct evaluations of prospects. It was made doubly difficult for UT, as it tried to persuade prospects to visit its campus "on their own nickel" while a firestorm of negative national media coverage swirled in the months, weeks and days leading up to its Committee on Infractions hearing in June.

It, perhaps, reached a boiling point at the SEC's spring meetings in Destin, Fla., when Dooley told NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach that the NCAA's lengthy probes were "killing recruiting."

"Everything was happening during the critical time of recruiting," Dooley said. "That's the way it was, but it's a real tribute to our coaching staff.

"The hardest part was getting these guys up here and interested. Once we got them up here, then that matter didn't really affect us.

"Was it still out there in their minds? Of course it was. I had to answer that question with every recruit. I had to answer the question and I didn't have an answer."

Some recruits during the past 19 months thought they had the answers about UT's fate with the NCAA. And that wasn't a good thing for UT, because the information wasn't exactly coming from an unbiased source.

"The spin at the other schools isn't, 'Hey they're going to go in front of the committee, but they could be all right.' " Dooley said. "Their spin is 'Look what happened to USC. Do you want that to happen to you?'

"What you notice a lot of times is guys would be interested and then all of a sudden, 'I'm done, I'm not interested.' That usually doesn't just happen."

At its Committee on Infractions hearing last summer, Southern Cal, where Kiffin now is coach, was hit with severe sanctions that will hamper the program for years.

UT's punishment, even when projected by some of the most pessimistic prognosticators, never was in danger of heavy scholarship losses like the Trojans'.

But some kids simply didn't know any better.

"Some of them do live under rocks. In their own world," Dooley said. "They all knew about it. Our challenge was 'Do you bring it up or do you hope they don't know about it?' "

Whatever Dooley and his assistants decided, it largely worked.

The 2010 class Dooley closed out mere weeks after taking the job was ranked ninth in the nation by Rivals.com.

His 2011 class was a consensus top-15 class and his current 2012 group is in the top 20, but is expected to elevate further when player rankings are finalized by the national recruiting sites.

More importantly, all but five of the 56 players signed in 2010 and 2011 are still with the team. After Janzen Jackson's dismissal Wednesday, there are just 11 players remaining from Kiffin's 22-man 2009 class and 11 from Phillip Fulmer's final class at UT.

Dooley said he doesn't hold any hard feelings against the coaches who negatively recruited against UT. Frankly, he would have been startled if they weren't doing it.

"They should talk about the NCAA uncertainty," Dooley said. "I would do it if another team was about to go in front of the committee. It's not to be negative. It's just to put the facts out in front of them.

"All that's in the past. I'm proud of where we are right now and we can now move forward."

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MusicCityVol writes:

I agree. The Vols have been rolling on the recruiting trail as of late anyway. With the NCAA mess behind them I look for them to jump into the Top 15 in the recruiting rankings and maybe make the Top 10 by February. They need to take care of business against Montana and beat them the way an SEC team should beat an FCS team.

Checkerboard Chatting with Montana beat writer, Fritz Neigbor.
http://www.checkerboardchatter.com/20...

olecountryboy writes:

Looks like Recruiting is fixing to pick up. Lets get some big uglies in here

Huttdawg100 writes:

Dooley has definitely recruited well down the stretch. Linebacker Dalton Santos and the two highly rated safeties have definitely highlighted a rise in interest in Tennessee football from a national standpoint. However, we've got to get defensive linemen.

nocleats writes:

D TACKLES!!! D TACKLES!!! OMG D TACKLES!!!!

Southland writes:

well now, all of the dooley critic's can you say now that you are sorry for jumping all over the recruiting process of Dooley. Some said he was failing but apparently forgot every other coach in America was telling potential players that UT was going to get in trouble and that they didnt want to go there. Now, the cloud has lifted and the real recruiting begins for the first time in three years without a negative mess hanging over the program

olecountryboy writes:

BIG UGLIES, since we dont have to explain the NCAA situation, I think we can hone in on some of the uncommitted prospects. Maybe Taylor(Miami commit) will be impressed when he visits.

ncvol17 writes:

Great for the Big Orange, now how do the trolls spin it?
We will be back under Dooley..2012 will be a fun year..let's hope we perform admirably this year against stiff competition.

VOLliven2it writes:

This says a lot. It was obvious how high a mountain our coaches were still climbing with the NCAA threat of more sanctions hanging over us. Yet many who post on here were hammering our lack of big time recruiting. Well, we will see how it goes with no more punishment coming. I am believing we will see some marked improvement in quality players coming to Rocky Top and one more time WE NEED DEFENSIVE LINEMEN, Please!

mcgink2 writes:

in response to nocleats:

D TACKLES!!! D TACKLES!!! OMG D TACKLES!!!!

completely agree... but don't forget this is the absolute hardest position to recruit, for every school, because there simply aren't that many out there. dominating DTs are hard to come by both in college and NFL.

dvhill100 writes:

It really is remarkable the job CDD and staff have done in recruiting with the NCAA cloud hanging over them. Now it is past I expect even better.

RashaadSalabeb writes:

Coaches and Players you have all of the true Vol Fan's support. Screw the rest....they don't matter! I'm like everyone else. We've got to land a few quality defensive tackles. I'm sure we will and maybe at least one Juco tackle that can step in immediately. Time for kickoff is close. It won't be long before we're saying "It's Football Time In Tennessee"! Come on team make us proud!

Go Tennessee Vols!

FWBVol writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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Yeah and your coach is afraid of a real challenge. How else would you explain the reports that he turned down Tennessee before Derek Dooley was offered the job. No doubt Muschamp can do a great job when someone gives him a full cupboard, but we will find out how good of a job he does as a head coach.

I don't know of a coach in the history of the SEC that could have done any more last year than CDD with the talent and youth we had at Tennessee and the fact that upper classmen were learning their third systems as many years.

Whether Florida fans like it or not, Tennessee is an all-time Top 5 program in the AP polls, which is far more than the Gators can say.

murrayvol writes:

in response to ncvol17:

Great for the Big Orange, now how do the trolls spin it?
We will be back under Dooley..2012 will be a fun year..let's hope we perform admirably this year against stiff competition.

Frankly, ncvol, I don't give a damn how the trolls spin it.

murrayvol writes:

I've been pretty happy with Dooley & Company's work to this point. I expect to be delirious with joy moving forward.

go_vols_go writes:

Reel em in Coach D!

ProwlinAndGrowlinSmokeyDog writes:

DC writes:

"Your negative cloud of losing 6 to 7 games a year remains."

And you know this to be a fact???Do you have a crystal ball??

Smokey says improved recruiting and great coaching will result in LOTS of wins for the Vols...

...

volfanfrom49 writes:

I wonder how many of the "high star recruits" will meet CDD's high standards that are not football related??? i.e. character, academics, ect.

Orangeblood13 writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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and almost the same record as UT last year, go figure

DalTexVol writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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Too bad Urbie is not there anymore to coach them up. I saw Muschamp's work at Texas firsthand--enjoy the towel waving because that is all he's got.

DalTexVol writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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What's the matter DC, can't you read or are you just being disingenuous again? He was talking about recruiting. Worry about your own record after the towel waver takes over. Ha!

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors_Daddy:

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You got it right.

A coach with a losing record, a recuiting class that's top 15 but will still be 5th or 6th in the SEC, and a fanbase that thinks 7-5 would be a rousing success.

Gee...It makes me proud to an alum. I'd take Kiffin back in a minute. At least, with him, we didn't make excuses for losing until after the season was over.

DannyVol writes:

Now if we can just get the KNS to stop writing about the completed investigation, it will indeed disappear. But that's not likely to happen. Dooley's quotes came on Wednesday and this story was published Saturday. But there's more where that came from, right Adams? Like the negative stories which appear every year when dozens of blue-chippers and their families are in town? Stories with headlines like 'UT Still Struggling With Past Sins' will appear at the worst possible times and are probably already mostly written.

osbymartin75 writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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Are you bragging about a team that had all that talent and finished 4-4 in the sec only a game ahead of ut and its horrible coach and mediocre players as you and others have called them....apparently 5 stars dont mean too much for results on the field..florida and usc had 5 stars backing up 5 stars and still lost 5 games each...

osbymartin75 writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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I enjoyed watching his 6th best defense in America get blown out at home by a 4-8 UCLA team 34-12 last season..

osbymartin75 writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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Do you even read the posts you respond to? Where on that post did it say that Muschamp couldnt coach defense?

nocleats writes:

Did I mention that TN NEEDS D TACKLES? 3 or 4 of them this year! D TACKLES
!!

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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I would consider your life lousy seeing how you troll this site 24/7

Vol43 writes:

in response to murrayvol:

I've been pretty happy with Dooley & Company's work to this point. I expect to be delirious with joy moving forward.

"Delirious with Joy?" Now that's what I'm talking about! YeeeeeHaaaaaaaw GBO!

tennrich1 writes:

in response to InDestruCtible:

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I predict that's probably the dumbest post a troll has every made...won't take the time to ridicule you because I'm sure others will take advantage of that home run ball you just lobbed...uhhhhh, what was Florida's record again last year....silly boy!!!!!

TKO writes:

I'm for one glad Coach Cooley came to knoxville and is obviously doing all he can to not only clean the program, but also upgrade the talent with those that can be coached and represent The University of Tennessee in a better light. I hope that all goes well and he is able to see the return on his personal hard work and investment he is making for years to come. Best of luck Coach Dooley. We need speed and you are getting it. Coach'em.
Go VOlS!

Oenoboy writes:

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6th best D? Don't think so. Texas went 5-7 and had the following point hung on them during those 7 losses...

UCLA - 34, OK - 28, Iowa St - 28, Baylor - 30, K St - 39, OK St - 33, Tx A&M - 24

They ranked 51st in Points Allowed which is the Def stat that truly counts. Granted the Vols didn't fare any better in that department but Texas didn't have their 3rd coaching staff in 3 years. Muschamp allowed that with a loaded D with depth and longterm stability on the sidelines.

TKO writes:

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Muschamp and Weiss are suppose to be the best coaching duo in college football. Time will tell, but as luck would have it, the Miami debacle will drive more to UF and FL State.
Let's hope Coach Dooley can make a path to knoxville for some of those kids.
AS far as stars, I swear it bugs the hell out of me that people don't relaize it is not based on talent, but on offers from Div I schools. I've seen more three stars perform just as well.
Yes, Meyer drove the talent he acquired and had impending as hard as he could. As sson as he saw Jimbo at Fl St. move up in talent and his deminsh, he was out. He will inherit someone else's alent pool ( ohio st ) and drain that one in five years too.

givehim6 writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You got it right.

A coach with a losing record, a recuiting class that's top 15 but will still be 5th or 6th in the SEC, and a fanbase that thinks 7-5 would be a rousing success.

Gee...It makes me proud to an alum. I'd take Kiffin back in a minute. At least, with him, we didn't make excuses for losing until after the season was over.

And with Kiffin instead of being under a cloud we would be for sure be on probation.

snoopbob87 writes:

Coach says some "kids live under rocks", really. I don't think this coach gets it when it comes to the SEC and the level of competition among coaches . Coach Saban, Miles, Spurrier, would never make a off handed comment like "under rocks", when it comes to any recruit.

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

Hate to see it, but with this staff it's difficult to see this team winning more than 5 games - 3-9 or even 2-10 are a possibility with the only guaranteed wins coming against Montana and Buffalo.

It will be interesting to catalog all the Dooley Disciples as they jump ship as the season progresses.

TKO writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Hate to see it, but with this staff it's difficult to see this team winning more than 5 games - 3-9 or even 2-10 are a possibility with the only guaranteed wins coming against Montana and Buffalo.

It will be interesting to catalog all the Dooley Disciples as they jump ship as the season progresses.

Thanks Phillip

DutchOrangeVolsOrange writes:

in response to mcgink2:

completely agree... but don't forget this is the absolute hardest position to recruit, for every school, because there simply aren't that many out there. dominating DTs are hard to come by both in college and NFL.

DTs are very hard to get, but very much needed if You want to survive in the SEC!

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to DutchOrangeVolsOrange:

DTs are very hard to get, but very much needed if You want to survive in the SEC!

This is true.

However, why is no one pointing out that the only DT Dooley has in the fold is a player everyone else went south on after he under-performed in jr. college

AZ_Vol writes:

I think Dooley is the right man, at the right time, for the University of Tennessee. He's forthright; stable; and, he's hungry.

I feel a lot more secure about our football program with Dooley running it.

OrangePsyched writes:

PPOrange what will your name be when we are winning this year? This just in...Phil still is unemployed..nobody else wants him and we sure don't want him back. Are you sure that you're not CSS alter ego?

smokies_old_soul writes:

Look at where we are now and compare it to how we felt the night Kiffin slinked out of town after one year of running Fulmer's players off and recruiting a bunch of blue-chip kids he didn't know much about and didn't care to know ....... as Ed Orgeron told to Orange Tie Club, "We aren't angels and we don't recruit angels." no kidding Eddy.

and now .... we are out of the glamour business in football and basketball and back to hard work and building more solid foundations. Feels like Tennessee again - and i like my football coach with a little southern charm.

Oenoboy writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Hate to see it, but with this staff it's difficult to see this team winning more than 5 games - 3-9 or even 2-10 are a possibility with the only guaranteed wins coming against Montana and Buffalo.

It will be interesting to catalog all the Dooley Disciples as they jump ship as the season progresses.

OK...we get it. You don't like any of our new coaching staffs. That's your prerogative but all you do on this site is spew negativity and criticisms. Do you ever have anything positive to contribute? How about something of substance based upon facts instead of the Chicken Little meets Eeyore routine based upon speculation?

You have to go back to 1924 to find a season where we had less than 4 wins but you are going to toss out "3-9 or even 2-10" as possibilities? Even if you are a fan, it does not mean you aren't a troll.

deputy658 writes:

UT is in good with 4 or 5 of the top D Tackles in the nation and i'm confident we will get 2 or 3 . GO VOLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEAR:

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Witch Doctor chuckle...nice.
Bones never lie.

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Hate to see it, but with this staff it's difficult to see this team winning more than 5 games - 3-9 or even 2-10 are a possibility with the only guaranteed wins coming against Montana and Buffalo.

It will be interesting to catalog all the Dooley Disciples as they jump ship as the season progresses.

There you have it, folks! Brett Maverick Sports has made his picks. Don't forget, after you clean up on your bookie with these freebies, to join Brett's premium pay service!

Although picking pre season results for the year is completely dumb as you don't know about the weekly changes sure to occur. I'm going to pick against Brett here and save them both till year end:

Wins - Montanna, Cincy, Florida, Buffalo, Georgia, LSU, Middle Tn, Vandy and Clemson in the bowl

Loses - Alabama, South Carolina, Arky and Kentucky (unless they don't beat Ga. or LSU and have to have it to qualify for the bowl, Ky. finally breaks the string).

9 - 4, third in the SEC East.

Maverick, I'll bet you $1,000 that my number is closer than yours...

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to Oenoboy:

OK...we get it. You don't like any of our new coaching staffs. That's your prerogative but all you do on this site is spew negativity and criticisms. Do you ever have anything positive to contribute? How about something of substance based upon facts instead of the Chicken Little meets Eeyore routine based upon speculation?

You have to go back to 1924 to find a season where we had less than 4 wins but you are going to toss out "3-9 or even 2-10" as possibilities? Even if you are a fan, it does not mean you aren't a troll.

You like facts - I like facts - Walt 81 likes facts. The only problem is no one on this site likes to believe facts.

However, as someone who's been around our program for a long time, here are some facts.

Nick Saban is the best coach in the SEC and we play Bama each year.

Will Muschamp was the head coach in waiting at one of the top 3 coaching jobs in the nation (Texas). He left Texas to take a job at another of the top 3 coaching jobs (Fla.). Fla. can land 1/5 the talent their state produces and have more talent than Tn.. We also play Florida each year.

Steve Spurrier, like him or not, can out coach 4/5 of the coaches in the Hall of Fame. We play S.C. every year.

If Georgia lands only half of its in state prospects each year, they will always have more talent than Tn.. We also play them every year.

Given all factors (recruiting base being most important), Tennessee is the 6th best job in the SEC behind Bama, Fla, LSU, Aub, and Ga. To win consistently at Tn, it takes not only a good coach, but a vastly superior coach and recruiter to win.

To that end, Derek Dooley was not our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice to replace Kiffin. He was simply a desperation hire when we wouldn't pay Saban-like money to a top flight hire.

Expect us to struggle until we do.

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to keviningeorgia:

There you have it, folks! Brett Maverick Sports has made his picks. Don't forget, after you clean up on your bookie with these freebies, to join Brett's premium pay service!

Although picking pre season results for the year is completely dumb as you don't know about the weekly changes sure to occur. I'm going to pick against Brett here and save them both till year end:

Wins - Montanna, Cincy, Florida, Buffalo, Georgia, LSU, Middle Tn, Vandy and Clemson in the bowl

Loses - Alabama, South Carolina, Arky and Kentucky (unless they don't beat Ga. or LSU and have to have it to qualify for the bowl, Ky. finally breaks the string).

9 - 4, third in the SEC East.

Maverick, I'll bet you $1,000 that my number is closer than yours...

Ga, Fla, and LSU - you don't need me. Just ask any of the 33 million in those states and about 9/10 of the people in Tn (excluding insane asylums) and any of them will give you some long odds against that trifecta.

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You like facts - I like facts - Walt 81 likes facts. The only problem is no one on this site likes to believe facts.

However, as someone who's been around our program for a long time, here are some facts.

Nick Saban is the best coach in the SEC and we play Bama each year.

Will Muschamp was the head coach in waiting at one of the top 3 coaching jobs in the nation (Texas). He left Texas to take a job at another of the top 3 coaching jobs (Fla.). Fla. can land 1/5 the talent their state produces and have more talent than Tn.. We also play Florida each year.

Steve Spurrier, like him or not, can out coach 4/5 of the coaches in the Hall of Fame. We play S.C. every year.

If Georgia lands only half of its in state prospects each year, they will always have more talent than Tn.. We also play them every year.

Given all factors (recruiting base being most important), Tennessee is the 6th best job in the SEC behind Bama, Fla, LSU, Aub, and Ga. To win consistently at Tn, it takes not only a good coach, but a vastly superior coach and recruiter to win.

To that end, Derek Dooley was not our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice to replace Kiffin. He was simply a desperation hire when we wouldn't pay Saban-like money to a top flight hire.

Expect us to struggle until we do.

Nice. If every game were played on paper, I would agree that this snapshot of this moment in time, would make things work that way.

But, the games aren't played on paper and the snapshot of the current situation will change and change and change.

I will admit that Dooley was a desperation hire at the time. But, not one single coach you name was the #1 best in the nation when they got their first gig, either.

If you look at odds, then the odds are against Dooley becoming known as an elete coach. Long odds but not impossible odds.

I will give the man 4 years as I said I would all along. I also like what I'm seeing and hearing so far.

You, and people like you, are rooting for him to fail for whatever your reasons. Also, you spend countless hours on here "recruiting" others to think the way you do.

Fine, if you want Dooley to fail so you can proclaim yourself right. But, the overwhelming majority on this site pull for him because we pull for Tennessee. To us, you sound like Chicken Little, constantly complaining about the sky is falling, the sky is falling...

kletusfleabiscuit writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You like facts - I like facts - Walt 81 likes facts. The only problem is no one on this site likes to believe facts.

However, as someone who's been around our program for a long time, here are some facts.

Nick Saban is the best coach in the SEC and we play Bama each year.

Will Muschamp was the head coach in waiting at one of the top 3 coaching jobs in the nation (Texas). He left Texas to take a job at another of the top 3 coaching jobs (Fla.). Fla. can land 1/5 the talent their state produces and have more talent than Tn.. We also play Florida each year.

Steve Spurrier, like him or not, can out coach 4/5 of the coaches in the Hall of Fame. We play S.C. every year.

If Georgia lands only half of its in state prospects each year, they will always have more talent than Tn.. We also play them every year.

Given all factors (recruiting base being most important), Tennessee is the 6th best job in the SEC behind Bama, Fla, LSU, Aub, and Ga. To win consistently at Tn, it takes not only a good coach, but a vastly superior coach and recruiter to win.

To that end, Derek Dooley was not our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice to replace Kiffin. He was simply a desperation hire when we wouldn't pay Saban-like money to a top flight hire.

Expect us to struggle until we do.

Wow,,,still choked up about Fulmer. Get over it. CDD stepped in, and in my opinion, has done a fine job at recruiting - especially considering the hurdles put before him. It's okay to fall off the turnip truck Mr. Tpacker,,,but why let it run over you?

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Ga, Fla, and LSU - you don't need me. Just ask any of the 33 million in those states and about 9/10 of the people in Tn (excluding insane asylums) and any of them will give you some long odds against that trifecta.

There you go again! Twisting facts around to fit your writings (or reality). I would also give good odds to anyone who wanted those games as a 3 game parlay. But that's not what I offered you on the bet.

Good attempt at defflecting what is really happening, but let's recap:

You are spouting your normal garbage that Tn. will be very fortunate to go 2 - 10 this year, beating only Montanna and Buffalo.

My post said though it's not a good idea to pick season long winners in the preseason, I would pick against you. I then came up with a 9 - 4 scenario and offered to bet you $1000 at years end, mine would be closer than yours.

I didn't offer to parlay those 3 games for money I offered to prove to you that you are full of solid wastes...

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