Signs of struggle there all along for Vols

In hindsight, the signs might have been there all along for Tennessee.

The first offseason workout produced a fractured ankle for a starting linebacker, and Herman Lathers would miss the entire year.

The presumptive answer for woes in the return game broke his collarbone early and Devrin Young was sidelined for all of training camp.

In the middle of August, the Vols dismissed perhaps their most valuable defensive player for a violation of team rules, ruling Janzen Jackson out of their plans.

Even without any adversity once Derek Dooley's second season officially began, the Vols coach had dealt with plenty on a roster still being rebuilt. But UT wasn't done, losing its top receiver in the third game with torn knee ligaments, watching its other starting safety go down with an injury and also playing five games without its quarterback during the most brutal stretch on the schedule.

After all of that, the Vols still had a chance to punch a ticket to a bowl game. But instead of finding out a possible postseason destination tonight, the program has been forced to take a hard look at what it will take to get back to contending for championships instead of Music City Bowl appearances as Dooley gears up for his third year at the helm.

"Sometimes you don't get always what you want," Dooley said after closing a losing campaign at Kentucky.

"But a lot of times you get what you deserve, and we're not a good football team. We've got a lot of work that we need to do to be a good football team. We need to go to work at that.

"Going to a bowl will make you think you better than you are. Probably wouldn't have helped us, when I look at it. We need to know that there's a lot of things you have to do to be a good player, and there's a lot of things you have to do to be a good team. And we aren't doing what we need to do, so we don't deserve to get rewarded."

After its 26-game winning streak over the Wildcats came to an end, there was little doubt about that for UT. There's also not much question that the Vols aren't aiming to simply earn a bid to a bowl game at the end of each season.

But if things had to get worse before they could better, the Vols might have reached the point where there's nowhere to go but up.

"At some point, we had to hit a real low point with where this program is, and I knew we were going to hit one," Dooley said. "I hoped we wouldn't, but it's inevitable. You're going to hit a bottom.

"We're going to begin our climb right now."

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jack_2222#231746 writes:

The rumors are flying.

nocleats writes:

Just Go Recruit!

lomas98 writes:

in response to thicknthinvol:

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What's the story? Looks like a recruit has tn in his top 5 interest. He hasn't made a visit.

Southland writes:

Mike Hamilton should pay Dooley's buyout and let UT move on

Smokey91 writes:

Does Dooley not realize that we were at the bottom when he got here?

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

Progress, improvement, recruit, win!

andy112382#209793 writes:

in response to Smokey91:

Does Dooley not realize that we were at the bottom when he got here?

Playing in the Chick-fil-a bowl before you lose a host of guys like Hardesty to graduation and Bryce Brown to being a head case is rock bottom?

DenverVol writes:

in response to Southland:

Mike Hamilton should pay Dooley's buyout and let UT move on

Huh? Am I missing some sort of sarcasm with this comment? Mike Hamilton?

arkyvol writes:

if hamilton thought the best he could do was hire a coach from the bush leagues, why didn't he at least pick one with a resume, like this one: http://www.beyondusports.com/8-reason...

but then, everything hammy touched turned to spit.

Vols20 writes:

This article says it all. Anybody with any sense knew going into the off-season last year that UT would be improved but still lacked sufficient depth. Jackson, Lathers, Hunter, and Bray were HUGE losses to a team that had little to lose in the first place. If we have a .550 year next year, then I will be worried as well. I thought 7-5 would be a great year this year if our studs stayed healthy, but without those guys, I probably would have guessed 4-8 or 5-7. It's just going to take a few years guys!

clvolfan writes:

The only way we would have been better,would be if Kiffy Boy was still here,none of the defections had happened,and had a major college running back. However,we would have more major violations and be on probation,with no bowl for 2 years,if we had earned one.

66Volunteer (Inactive) writes:

Where does Hart stand on all of this. Has he given DD a vote of confidence? Or is he going to return to Alabama to replace Mal Moore?

GerryOP writes:

Ward gave us the facts. Is anyone listening?

gillblog writes:

I've had an epiphany !

Fire Dooley et. al. and through all the money it takes to hire Larry Fedora.

Southern Miss was coached up like crazy today and I have seen nothing about Dooley's teams that can compare.

voldavid writes:

old news

shoalcreekvol writes:

Gill you said the key words "coached up". Words that have never been used about a Dooley-led team. It's like the supreme courts definition of pornography - you'll know it when you see it. People know "coached up"when they see it. And that's why they want him gone.

Vols20 writes:

in response to gillblog:

I've had an epiphany !

Fire Dooley et. al. and through all the money it takes to hire Larry Fedora.

Southern Miss was coached up like crazy today and I have seen nothing about Dooley's teams that can compare.

First of all, it is obvious that you are not very well educated bless your heart. That would be "throw" not "through". You obviously are one of those dads that sit up top at the high school football game on friday night trashing the coaching staff. Fedora is at a mid-major school that inherited a good talent level in his year one. I might add that this same club lost to UAB club a couple weeks ago that went 3-9. I'm not saying Fedora isn't a heck of a coach, but is not necessarily an upgrade. Derek Dooley is quality man. He took LaTech to a bowl which hadn't been done in a long time and was the AD. That is unheard of at a D1 school.

vorangel writes:

Better off not going to a bowl?
That says it all.
What about the 15 practices the team could use to get better, Coach?
Dooley is clueless. It's a terminal condition, just a question of how long we have to put up with this nonsense.

PHAT_VOL writes:

The Future,
http://jacksonville.com/sports/high-s...
I cant blame any recruit for bailing after some of the moronic comments on here.

movol53 writes:

in response to vorangel:

Better off not going to a bowl?
That says it all.
What about the 15 practices the team could use to get better, Coach?
Dooley is clueless. It's a terminal condition, just a question of how long we have to put up with this nonsense.

Perhaps he knew that the younger players "didn't want to be there" and he sure does not want UT losing any more on TV. He is trying to recruit!!!
This "bug" that some of the players has must be dealt with and if they going to a bowl cleaning house might have been put off until after the game. Clean house the sooner the better.

orange_eVOLution writes:

in response to PHAT_VOL:

The Future,
http://jacksonville.com/sports/high-s...
I cant blame any recruit for bailing after some of the moronic comments on here.

What does your link have to do with any recruits?

orange_eVOLution writes:

in response to movol53:

Perhaps he knew that the younger players "didn't want to be there" and he sure does not want UT losing any more on TV. He is trying to recruit!!!
This "bug" that some of the players has must be dealt with and if they going to a bowl cleaning house might have been put off until after the game. Clean house the sooner the better.

It's all about wanting to compete and kick butt for Tennessee. If Bray or others have 'attitude' about it, let them move on. We can start Worley or Peterman next year, I don't care. Keep the guys who have a pair and want to compete and win in the SEC. Bray would never start at LSU or Bama with his lame attitude and no leadership skills.

jschariter#367312 writes:

Dooley's comments are pathetic and emblematic of poor leadersip. Hard to see how making a change in coaching now will be more chaotic than this regime. Don't care much for a leader that blames everyone else but himself. Poor strategy on Worely's redshirt then Dooleys snide comments to the press on kids only stay 3 years, coupled with ostrich strategy by not showing the ARK film for a game critique for the players put me over the top to wishing he was gone. Tired of excuses, poor effort, poor game management, and 2nd half disappearance. It was painful to sit in Neyland stadium for 8 games. Last year was actually better.....

gillblog writes:

in response to Vols20:

First of all, it is obvious that you are not very well educated bless your heart. That would be "throw" not "through". You obviously are one of those dads that sit up top at the high school football game on friday night trashing the coaching staff. Fedora is at a mid-major school that inherited a good talent level in his year one. I might add that this same club lost to UAB club a couple weeks ago that went 3-9. I'm not saying Fedora isn't a heck of a coach, but is not necessarily an upgrade. Derek Dooley is quality man. He took LaTech to a bowl which hadn't been done in a long time and was the AD. That is unheard of at a D1 school.

Top marks on the "through" correction ! When one has had an epiphany, spelling can fall off.

Otherwise, I do not see a good case made for Dooley. Regardless of the talent level he inherited, Fedora inspired his team to attack and defeat the #6 team in the country, the #1 offensive team in the country run by one of the most prolific qb's ever in all of college football. And the game wasn't even close.

Do you really, honestly, think Dooley could design and motivate a team to such an effort under any circumstances?

From what I have seen so far, I do not.

volaholic45 writes:

We can HOPE that this is rock bottom, but it doesn't have to be.

Say, for example, that the underperforming coaches stay on and the better ones jump ship. Or that team chemistry and cohesiveness and even fan-loyalty gets tweeted to death in the off-season. Or that Vandy starts beating us for recruits. Or that another Randall Cobb slips out from under the hill's shadow and stars at Kentucky. Or that the rest of the league gets better, becoming by far the best conference nationally but leaving Tennessee locked in as lower tier. Or that the proven available coaches go to places like Ohio State, but are never mentioned as possibles at Tennessee.

Unlikely, I know, but stuff happens.

orange_eVOLution writes:

in response to volaholic45:

We can HOPE that this is rock bottom, but it doesn't have to be.

Say, for example, that the underperforming coaches stay on and the better ones jump ship. Or that team chemistry and cohesiveness and even fan-loyalty gets tweeted to death in the off-season. Or that Vandy starts beating us for recruits. Or that another Randall Cobb slips out from under the hill's shadow and stars at Kentucky. Or that the rest of the league gets better, becoming by far the best conference nationally but leaving Tennessee locked in as lower tier. Or that the proven available coaches go to places like Ohio State, but are never mentioned as possibles at Tennessee.

Unlikely, I know, but stuff happens.

Vandy is already beating us in state for recruits...

UT: 1 four-star, 2 two-star
Vandy: 2 four-star, 3 three-star

oldster writes:

in response to vorangel:

Better off not going to a bowl?
That says it all.
What about the 15 practices the team could use to get better, Coach?
Dooley is clueless. It's a terminal condition, just a question of how long we have to put up with this nonsense.

No, it is called trying to deal with a bad situation as best you can. You might want to try it sometimes. It can prevent depression.

oldster writes:

I heard that some of the younger players did not want to go to a bowl because they did not want to have to get up early and practice those extra practices. Given this and some research that I saw some time ago that said that young people, in particular young men (teens) do not wake up fully until about 1000 hrs or so, regardless of when they go to sleep. If these things are true, perphaps Dooley should re-examine his practice schedule.

oldster writes:

in response to gillblog:

Top marks on the "through" correction ! When one has had an epiphany, spelling can fall off.

Otherwise, I do not see a good case made for Dooley. Regardless of the talent level he inherited, Fedora inspired his team to attack and defeat the #6 team in the country, the #1 offensive team in the country run by one of the most prolific qb's ever in all of college football. And the game wasn't even close.

Do you really, honestly, think Dooley could design and motivate a team to such an effort under any circumstances?

From what I have seen so far, I do not.

I do not believe that anyone could motivate this group. This is a collection of spoiled, entitled brats. They believe stuff should just fall into their laps without any appreciable effort on their parts. Further, I am concerned about any athlete that requires outside influences from a coach or any other source to motivate them. Do you have to have a pep talk to go out and do your job? If not, why should these young men? If so, what the devil is wrong with you?

sbigdaddy writes:

OK, I think we can win next year but..... I think the coaching has to get better and they have to find out a way to get the players motivated to play the right way. coaching in my opinion has been done out of fear versus motivation of its players. OK Taking the redshirt off Worley for 2 games was not a good move. WE ALL KNOW THAT. Not playing Rajon Neal early in the season was not a good decision and to not have him as the feature back next years is just flat out CRAZY.. he is a better back than our freshman this year... He just is. James Stone was doing well last season snapping with his left hand and Tyler still was throwing the football with no problems... Who Idea was it to have Stone switch hands.... Coaching!!! The O- Line can pass protect well WHY?? because 70% of play calls were for passing plays..... How can they run the ball well against Bama, LSU and not against others???? Heistand better stop yelling at the players and talking down to them as they seem fearful of him... How does that motivate anyone???? You get the best out of players when you coach them up..NOT tear them down.. and finally IF Dereke Dooley keeps saying WE ARE A BAD TEAM.. HOPE HE MEANS THEY ARE BAD COACHES TOO.. because it starts there...Not ever have I heard Nick S and Les M. ever, ever blame the players they always say they have to improve as coaches getting the team ready.... The environment needs to change and Coach DD needs to let former players come back to be around the program beside PM.... I thought they were VOLS 4 Life!!!!1 Cant talk out of both side of your mouth coach.... I like you, think your in over your head but... so was Nick and Les Miles when they got there start.... But they were smart enough to surround thmeselves with GREAT COACHES AT EVERY POSITION... and for peep sake GET A RUNNING BACKS COACH.... PLEASE!!!!!!! Injury is apart of the game.... so you must do a better job preparing the players and your coaches.... Starters:
Same Offesenive line but but J. Schofield at your left Guard or and Stone back at Center.... QB Bray
WR Hunter, Rogers and for PEEP sake M Milton deserves a chance... Was not impressed with Z. Rogers.. RB- R. Neal, Full back please go with Fugate.. Tight end.. Rivers blocking needs help and he falls way too much Go with C. Clear...
Defense- Couch, Smith, Miller, AJ Johnson at the Middle, Curt M. Strong side Corners- Well you have to bring in a big time corner and DB... They were toast this year... Extra Point and Field goals should go to Brodus who was at the frat house.. he got courage and a great leg.... Punt return.. we need a fast guy like guy from LSU... Young was ok... but... Too small...
Just saying..... oh oh and please tell Chaney to stop being so predictable in play calls and play action pass works well not just running up the middle
thank goodness Imani Corss will be there next year a big back for back up..
.....

Vols20 writes:

in response to gillblog:

Top marks on the "through" correction ! When one has had an epiphany, spelling can fall off.

Otherwise, I do not see a good case made for Dooley. Regardless of the talent level he inherited, Fedora inspired his team to attack and defeat the #6 team in the country, the #1 offensive team in the country run by one of the most prolific qb's ever in all of college football. And the game wasn't even close.

Do you really, honestly, think Dooley could design and motivate a team to such an effort under any circumstances?

From what I have seen so far, I do not.

And... two weeks ago couldn't motivate his team enough to beat a dismal UAB club. Anyway, It is quite futile to compare Conference USA football with the SEC. I know I am in the minority but do believe Dooley will get it done. Tennessee was young this year. I know folks don't like to accept that as an excuse but it's fact. Consider the article above and then consider that UT started all underclassmen on the offensive line. Not a recipe for success. I not care if Saban was the head man. I would bet you a lot of money that Saban would tell you the same thing.

Vols20 writes:

in response to sbigdaddy:

OK, I think we can win next year but..... I think the coaching has to get better and they have to find out a way to get the players motivated to play the right way. coaching in my opinion has been done out of fear versus motivation of its players. OK Taking the redshirt off Worley for 2 games was not a good move. WE ALL KNOW THAT. Not playing Rajon Neal early in the season was not a good decision and to not have him as the feature back next years is just flat out CRAZY.. he is a better back than our freshman this year... He just is. James Stone was doing well last season snapping with his left hand and Tyler still was throwing the football with no problems... Who Idea was it to have Stone switch hands.... Coaching!!! The O- Line can pass protect well WHY?? because 70% of play calls were for passing plays..... How can they run the ball well against Bama, LSU and not against others???? Heistand better stop yelling at the players and talking down to them as they seem fearful of him... How does that motivate anyone???? You get the best out of players when you coach them up..NOT tear them down.. and finally IF Dereke Dooley keeps saying WE ARE A BAD TEAM.. HOPE HE MEANS THEY ARE BAD COACHES TOO.. because it starts there...Not ever have I heard Nick S and Les M. ever, ever blame the players they always say they have to improve as coaches getting the team ready.... The environment needs to change and Coach DD needs to let former players come back to be around the program beside PM.... I thought they were VOLS 4 Life!!!!1 Cant talk out of both side of your mouth coach.... I like you, think your in over your head but... so was Nick and Les Miles when they got there start.... But they were smart enough to surround thmeselves with GREAT COACHES AT EVERY POSITION... and for peep sake GET A RUNNING BACKS COACH.... PLEASE!!!!!!! Injury is apart of the game.... so you must do a better job preparing the players and your coaches.... Starters:
Same Offesenive line but but J. Schofield at your left Guard or and Stone back at Center.... QB Bray
WR Hunter, Rogers and for PEEP sake M Milton deserves a chance... Was not impressed with Z. Rogers.. RB- R. Neal, Full back please go with Fugate.. Tight end.. Rivers blocking needs help and he falls way too much Go with C. Clear...
Defense- Couch, Smith, Miller, AJ Johnson at the Middle, Curt M. Strong side Corners- Well you have to bring in a big time corner and DB... They were toast this year... Extra Point and Field goals should go to Brodus who was at the frat house.. he got courage and a great leg.... Punt return.. we need a fast guy like guy from LSU... Young was ok... but... Too small...
Just saying..... oh oh and please tell Chaney to stop being so predictable in play calls and play action pass works well not just running up the middle
thank goodness Imani Corss will be there next year a big back for back up..
.....

Don't yell at players! You lost my respect right there. You have obviously never played competitive athletics. Coaches often yell out of passion and intensity. It's part of it!

OrangePsyched writes:

Glad I don't have to be around all these loser that hate all things Dooley. I have a small business and I talk UT football with my customers. 90% of them are completely behind CDD and the program. I always watch for coaches and commentators remarks that are made about CDD also and the consensus is that he will get the job done. I know that the negative souls on here are by far the minority of fans. Looking forward to O/W game already. VFL!

volaholic45 writes:

in response to orange_eVOLution:

Vandy is already beating us in state for recruits...

UT: 1 four-star, 2 two-star
Vandy: 2 four-star, 3 three-star

I think you missed the point.

Classof72 writes:

"... And we aren't doing what we need to do, so we don't deserve to get rewarded."
-Derek Dooley

You're absolutely correct. After that miserable season, culminating in the shameful debacle at Kentucky, what do you think you deserve? Since you surely don't deserve a $5 Million buyout, you're going to get a chance to do better. Please make the most of it. We like you and wish you well, but, to quote Vince Lombardi, "You've got to produce." Now get out there and show us some coaching for a change.

orange_eVOLution writes:

in response to volaholic45:

I think you missed the point.

What was the point that I missed?

orange_eVOLution writes:

in response to sbigdaddy:

OK, I think we can win next year but..... I think the coaching has to get better and they have to find out a way to get the players motivated to play the right way. coaching in my opinion has been done out of fear versus motivation of its players. OK Taking the redshirt off Worley for 2 games was not a good move. WE ALL KNOW THAT. Not playing Rajon Neal early in the season was not a good decision and to not have him as the feature back next years is just flat out CRAZY.. he is a better back than our freshman this year... He just is. James Stone was doing well last season snapping with his left hand and Tyler still was throwing the football with no problems... Who Idea was it to have Stone switch hands.... Coaching!!! The O- Line can pass protect well WHY?? because 70% of play calls were for passing plays..... How can they run the ball well against Bama, LSU and not against others???? Heistand better stop yelling at the players and talking down to them as they seem fearful of him... How does that motivate anyone???? You get the best out of players when you coach them up..NOT tear them down.. and finally IF Dereke Dooley keeps saying WE ARE A BAD TEAM.. HOPE HE MEANS THEY ARE BAD COACHES TOO.. because it starts there...Not ever have I heard Nick S and Les M. ever, ever blame the players they always say they have to improve as coaches getting the team ready.... The environment needs to change and Coach DD needs to let former players come back to be around the program beside PM.... I thought they were VOLS 4 Life!!!!1 Cant talk out of both side of your mouth coach.... I like you, think your in over your head but... so was Nick and Les Miles when they got there start.... But they were smart enough to surround thmeselves with GREAT COACHES AT EVERY POSITION... and for peep sake GET A RUNNING BACKS COACH.... PLEASE!!!!!!! Injury is apart of the game.... so you must do a better job preparing the players and your coaches.... Starters:
Same Offesenive line but but J. Schofield at your left Guard or and Stone back at Center.... QB Bray
WR Hunter, Rogers and for PEEP sake M Milton deserves a chance... Was not impressed with Z. Rogers.. RB- R. Neal, Full back please go with Fugate.. Tight end.. Rivers blocking needs help and he falls way too much Go with C. Clear...
Defense- Couch, Smith, Miller, AJ Johnson at the Middle, Curt M. Strong side Corners- Well you have to bring in a big time corner and DB... They were toast this year... Extra Point and Field goals should go to Brodus who was at the frat house.. he got courage and a great leg.... Punt return.. we need a fast guy like guy from LSU... Young was ok... but... Too small...
Just saying..... oh oh and please tell Chaney to stop being so predictable in play calls and play action pass works well not just running up the middle
thank goodness Imani Corss will be there next year a big back for back up..
.....

Hey, man... six million words or less, okay?

pcorange writes:

Since it's obvious that CDD is staying, I certainly hope that he can turn it around. Maybe the heat being turned up will be what he needs to grow into his job and purge his staff of underperforming coaches. I like Dooley, but I still believe that if he were going to get it done, we'd be seeing incremental improvement in the basics of the game, but we're not. That, to me, is the best indicator we have right now of what the future may look like. Again, I hope I am wrong about it because he is the kind of guy that you want to see succeed here.

volaholic45 writes:

in response to orange_eVOLution:

What was the point that I missed?

That all of it is already happening.

West_TN_VOL77 writes:

in response to Vols20:

This article says it all. Anybody with any sense knew going into the off-season last year that UT would be improved but still lacked sufficient depth. Jackson, Lathers, Hunter, and Bray were HUGE losses to a team that had little to lose in the first place. If we have a .550 year next year, then I will be worried as well. I thought 7-5 would be a great year this year if our studs stayed healthy, but without those guys, I probably would have guessed 4-8 or 5-7. It's just going to take a few years guys!

Nice Post!

orange_eVOLution writes:

"Extra Point and Field goals should go to Brodus who was at the frat house.. he got courage and a great leg..."

I'll freakin' second that. Either give Brodus a scholly or sign a new kicker (not Bullock). Palardy has proven to be the biggest bust of a kicker in UT history.

West_TN_VOL77 writes:

in response to OrangePsyched:

Glad I don't have to be around all these loser that hate all things Dooley. I have a small business and I talk UT football with my customers. 90% of them are completely behind CDD and the program. I always watch for coaches and commentators remarks that are made about CDD also and the consensus is that he will get the job done. I know that the negative souls on here are by far the minority of fans. Looking forward to O/W game already. VFL!

Well said. I agree 100%. Most of the comments on any of these posts are intended just to get folks panties in a was. I believe most of the fan base is behind our coach, and hope that he is the one to take us back to the top.

bvol1inSC writes:

in response to vorangel:

Better off not going to a bowl?
That says it all.
What about the 15 practices the team could use to get better, Coach?
Dooley is clueless. It's a terminal condition, just a question of how long we have to put up with this nonsense.

Completely agree. We NEEDED a bowl badly to continue practicing - and to give Dooley more opportunity to try to learn to manage his prima donna players, evaluate coaches, etc. I mean ideally, we get to the point where we are playing in a major bowl because we belong there, etc. But ANY bowl would've been a blessing for this team in its current state...and Dooley.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to Vols20:

This article says it all. Anybody with any sense knew going into the off-season last year that UT would be improved but still lacked sufficient depth. Jackson, Lathers, Hunter, and Bray were HUGE losses to a team that had little to lose in the first place. If we have a .550 year next year, then I will be worried as well. I thought 7-5 would be a great year this year if our studs stayed healthy, but without those guys, I probably would have guessed 4-8 or 5-7. It's just going to take a few years guys!

I love you see no evil, hear no evil, speak no common sense homers. Almost every Vols news outlet is running stories about how Hiestand is a tyrant, Dooley is dismissive and doesn't discipline players, and our players quit during the UK game. One of our best position coaches just quit due to the chaos created by Dooley, but for you guys the problem is...DEPTH.

DELUSIONAL!!!

deputy658 writes:

I dont know any thing about Hiestand or how CDD manages his players and coaches during practice as I think no one else who posts on here does either. One thing I do know is CDD started this season with 66 players on scholly and that was before injuries. I dont know if everybody on here knows or not but a team is allowed 85 players on scholly and so we were short 19 players. I want to wait until CDD gets his roster full with his guys and then see what he can do before passing judgment. Just sayin !! GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!

Madkels writes:

in response to Vols20:

First of all, it is obvious that you are not very well educated bless your heart. That would be "throw" not "through". You obviously are one of those dads that sit up top at the high school football game on friday night trashing the coaching staff. Fedora is at a mid-major school that inherited a good talent level in his year one. I might add that this same club lost to UAB club a couple weeks ago that went 3-9. I'm not saying Fedora isn't a heck of a coach, but is not necessarily an upgrade. Derek Dooley is quality man. He took LaTech to a bowl which hadn't been done in a long time and was the AD. That is unheard of at a D1 school.

Dooley had a losing record at La Tech and one bowl game. Compare that to the So. Miss coach with a winning record, a conference championship over an undefeated 6th ranked team, and several bowl games.

Oh, did I mention Dooley's losing record at UT? But you already know that.

Madkels writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

I love you see no evil, hear no evil, speak no common sense homers. Almost every Vols news outlet is running stories about how Hiestand is a tyrant, Dooley is dismissive and doesn't discipline players, and our players quit during the UK game. One of our best position coaches just quit due to the chaos created by Dooley, but for you guys the problem is...DEPTH.

DELUSIONAL!!!

Amen. Those who ignore the facts and just use the "glass is half full" " we are a young team" defense for this staff, will eventually have to admit that results and scores don't lie.

Unfortunatley, it will be down the road after a few more losing seasons when the program is deeper in a hole.

RemembertheAlamo writes:

in response to DenverVol:

Huh? Am I missing some sort of sarcasm with this comment? Mike Hamilton?

NO sarcasm meant here! No brain Mike Hamilton was the AD that put the ridiculous buyout clause in the contract to an unproven coach with a losing record. This type of buyout should never have been given to Dooley. Mike Hamilton should be responsible for this stupid piece of work.

RemembertheAlamo writes:

in response to Madkels:

Amen. Those who ignore the facts and just use the "glass is half full" " we are a young team" defense for this staff, will eventually have to admit that results and scores don't lie.

Unfortunatley, it will be down the road after a few more losing seasons when the program is deeper in a hole.

I agree, but what people don't understand, we did have a young team, but we did not have a young coaching staff, they were suppose to be experience. But instead they acted like it was their first year coaching. The play calling was awful. I don't see it improving since it has not improved in the last two years. I expected for us to go 5-7 or 4-8, but at the same time I expected us to beat Vandy and Ky. We only got half of that done.

RemembertheAlamo writes:

in response to OrangePsyched:

Glad I don't have to be around all these loser that hate all things Dooley. I have a small business and I talk UT football with my customers. 90% of them are completely behind CDD and the program. I always watch for coaches and commentators remarks that are made about CDD also and the consensus is that he will get the job done. I know that the negative souls on here are by far the minority of fans. Looking forward to O/W game already. VFL!

I guess you did not see the "No Shows" at the Vandy game. It was more than a few minority of fans. 90% may be completely behind CDD and the program, but there has to be improvement by the Florida game next year or your 90 will go to less than 50 quick. Bank on it!

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