Derek Dooley no fan of summer rules

Coach cites need for continued improvement

Derek Dooley already has made his desire for a larger coaching staff known publicly.

The Tennessee coach also wouldn't mind giving the ones he already has something to do in the summer.

The Vols are plenty busy during the offseason with conditioning, workouts and throwing sessions during the summer semesters. But that work can't be done with the instruction of their full-time coaches until camp opens in early August, which can leave those responsible for what happens after practice resumes perhaps a little frustrated while they wait to get started.

"I'd practice (in the summer)," Dooley said during a dedication Wednesday at the UT Center for Athletic Field Safety. "But that ain't ever going to happen.

"I look at these high school guys, and they practice every day, all summer - and they develop. They do a great job developing them.

"The schools and the states that put a real emphasis on developing their teams in the summer, they're out there coaching them during seven-on-seven or coaching their linemen, and they get better. I think it's a positive thing. You can still put limits on hours. They do that anyway."

The limitations on coaches during the summer are nothing new, with NCAA rules in place to prevent them from organizing, watching or participating in any "sport-specific" activities until practice officially opens.

That doesn't keep the vast majority of players across the country who spend their summers on campus from working out with the strength coach or getting together to work on skills related to their position, but it does lock out the personnel that lead the players through them for the rest of the year.

For a program like UT, that puts the focus on Ron McKeefery instead of Dooley - which isn't exactly a problem for Dooley, even if it's not the ideal situation.

"It's just something that's part of the job," he said. "You get used to it. You don't know any different because that's the way it's been ever since we've been coaching.

"I have a lot of trust in coach (McKeefery). He's done a phenomenal job and he keeps me well informed of the way things are going. If we need to sit down and visit with any of our players about any issues, then we're on it right away."

It might streamline the process to eliminate the middle man, just as it could potentially be a benefit to have a lower coach-to-player ratio on par with the NFL as Dooley suggested during the SEC spring meetings.

He hasn't publicly pushed any specific policies about the summer workouts, and it didn't appear as if he had any plans to do so. But the issue has come up in other programs this summer, including at Penn State, where legendary coach Joe Paterno stumbled upon a workout and inadvertently committed a secondary violation by talking about how impressive a player looked in it.

Paterno admitted the mistake during an ESPN broadcast along with Duke basketball coach Mike Kryzyewski last month, with both pushing for additional practice time and calling for the NCAA to "modernize" its rules.

Dooley has already made clear he isn't afraid to speak up for change when it comes to coaching, and even if offseason workouts aren't at the top of the list, they appear to be on there somewhere.

"I understand the rules," Dooley said. "But it just seems a little bit odd that we can't be around them other than socially for two months right before two-a-days.

"But that's the way the rules are."

Austin Ward covers Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274. Follow him at http://twitter.com/Vols_Beat and http://blogs.knoxnews.com/ward.

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VolAlum03ISBACK (Inactive) writes:

The rule is the same for every NCAA FBS program(except Michigan)...anyway, Dooley needs to try to go through two months without whining about something.

On another note...how stupid is the idea that a coach can't even watch a workout and then talk about it? The NCAA's rules are more ridiculous than the tax code.

trollhunter writes:

TROLLS, Leave this site or suffer the wrath of the army!

greatdaysahead writes:

Sounds like Dooley isn't the only one 'whining' about NCAA rules...perhaps there is some merit behind a lot of his words considering he addresses a lot of mutual concerns/annoyances/inefficiencies/etc seen by the team and fans alike.

RockyToptoNeyland writes:

dooley always makes great points, so they cant discuss playbooks? I know they cant have any organized or mandatory workouts, but can they meet with the coaches and discuss new strategies and playbook?

lafollette37766 writes:

As much as I agree with Dooley please abide by the NCAA rule no matter how stupid it is. We have enough problems with the NCAA as it is now.

MtJ_Orange writes:

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ROCKYTOPBRAD writes:

in response to MtJ_Orange:

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YOU SAID BUTTCRACK!! HA HA HA

GreerVol22 writes:

Ligit gripes from coach, but its not whining.

hueypilot writes:

in response to TennVolAlum:

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I don't think that's what the ncaa is trying to do. I think they are trying to apply the same rules to Michigan, Tennessee and Penn State, that apply for a lot of reasons, mostly fiscal, at Augustana and Fort Valley St, or Brown and Yale. I'd like to see the schools that want to tell the NCAA they would see them later as far as football and basketball are concerned and form a new association with a reasonable set of rules grounded in logic and reality.

GerryOP writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors_Daddy:

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Hold your breath while you're waiting...

VolGrad writes:

NCAA has to justify their positions somehow. This red tape probably gives them some addditional things to monitor during the otherwise lull of summer months. It makes them feel like they are earning their pay, but mostly helps them to maintain their sense of power.

GainesvilleVol1 writes:

If anyone can cut the amount of red tape, it should be a coach/lawyer.

Any Suggestions??

GO VOLS!!

budd#207344 writes:

in response to TennVolAlum:

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Please explain to me whose pockets are being lined? The money that is made is used to create facilities, give scholarships and grants, run tournaments, etc. There is nobody getting rich here except the coaches. And those coaches only help those student -athletes who are coached by folks who can get them to the next level. The winners in this are the student - athletes and the fans who get a great sporting experience to watch. What is the issue?

NO_DIGGITY writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors_Daddy:

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That's what the dude said in the 40 Year Old Virgin. Give it time, it will happen.

tmartin writes:

"I look at these high school guys, and they practice every day, all summer - and they develop. They do a great job developing them."

This can'tttttt be accurate, high school coaches wouldnt dare cheat. In the state of Tennessee that is against the rules. He must be talking about Maryville because rules dont apply to them.

where_the_magic_happens (Inactive) writes:

Paterno stumbled......Ha, some humor right there.....

Volunteer-Varmint writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors_Daddy:

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Pop, you ain't worth the explosive it takes to make a smoke bomb.

Ayres_Hall writes:

Each day I am more impressed with Head Football Coach Derek Dooley. He has a very broad vision, is an innovator with strong convictions and is not afraid to speak his mind. All are great leadership qualities.

Now coach, just win so the fanbase will allow you to stick around.

jack_2222#231746 writes:

in response to Nafniffikenal:

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Problem #1- No coach in the country that is worth his salt will NOT coach at TN

absolutely hilarious- that you wrote the opposite of what you mean says more about you than what you tried to say.

You best stay away from keyboards.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to VolAlum03ISBACK:

The rule is the same for every NCAA FBS program(except Michigan)...anyway, Dooley needs to try to go through two months without whining about something.

On another note...how stupid is the idea that a coach can't even watch a workout and then talk about it? The NCAA's rules are more ridiculous than the tax code.

Funny how you're whining about Dooley whining, and then whining some more about the NCAA. Hmmmm...

mountainbrook writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors_Daddy:

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Still waiting for Brantley's Hesiman? Ain't gonna happen under Zook II and Tubby.

JSamson7 writes:

in response to Nafniffikenal:

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So you're saying players want to play for a team of busted Trojans where they get put on probation, have famous alumni who committ far mre violent crimes than UT, & for teh most part underachieve in teh NFL?? Take a look at this link "Layla" & tell me I'm lying...

"The Vols may have been down the last few seasons, but the quality of our NFL pipeline is better than any other program in the SEC, and is certainly better than Southern Cal right now. Anyone who says otherwise not only ignores the traditions of this great university, but ignores fact. If Kiffin is still trying to sell recruits on the NFL first and foremost, perhaps he should start calling USC the Tennessee of the West."

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2011/7/14...

trollhunter writes:

TROLL ALERT: Lanekiffinfan is back spelled backwards! FAIL AGAIN!

GerryOP writes:

This place is a ceZZpool.

BobbyGraham writes:

in response to tmartin:

"I look at these high school guys, and they practice every day, all summer - and they develop. They do a great job developing them."

This can'tttttt be accurate, high school coaches wouldnt dare cheat. In the state of Tennessee that is against the rules. He must be talking about Maryville because rules dont apply to them.

Don't forget about Greeneville

trollhunter writes:

in response to Nafniffikenal:

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NOW PREPARE TO GET BANNED AGAIN!!! OR FACE THE WRATH

deputy658 writes:

It has never made sense to me that the NCAA wants to hold the HC responsible for these players' every action on and off the field and then they have a policy that limits how much contact that a coach can have with the player and even what can be discused during said contact.

fanzzz writes:

With a talent level so low it's at a Vanderbilt level and with only TWO recruits so far to help improve the talent, Dooley needs to work on recruiting in the summer, NOT practice.

VolAlum03ISBACK (Inactive) writes:

in response to trollhunter:

TROLLS, Leave this site or suffer the wrath of the army!

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VolAlum03ISBACK (Inactive) writes:

in response to trollhunter:

NOW PREPARE TO GET BANNED AGAIN!!! OR FACE THE WRATH

Describe the "WRATH" that you keep threatening posters with. You add nothing to the conversation. Your entire purpose is to lob meaningless threats at other posters. That is the DEFINITION of a troll. Start hunting yourself. I'll give you a hint: there's a trail of doritos crumbs and desperation leading to your prey.

budd#207344 writes:

in response to TennVolAlum:

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Once again reading comprehension fails you. I did not say it was not big business. I said who is getting rich? And the answer I gave is the coaches and the student -athletes. So once again you have shown who knows nothing.

TennVol01 writes:

Keep speaking out Coach. The noisy wheel gets the grease.

springtx_vol writes:

in response to TennVolAlum:

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You obviously know nothing about the rules around being a non-profit organization. The tax laws of this country do not allow non-profits to, wait, make a profit! Amazing isn't it.

You could make an argument that the people who work for the NCAA are getting rich, but that may be a tough sell also. Yes, Emmert probably makes a $1.5 million or so, but is that out of line for similar positions? Probably not.

Otherwise, the NCAA provides leadership for 20 or sports with team and individual championships. They fund the organization for all of these championships primarily off of the proceeds of the basketball Div 1 tournament (and to a lessor extent baseball and softball) and whatever fees are received from the member schools. I am not sure that any other championship is revenue generating.

trollhunter writes:

in response to VolAlum03ISBACK:

Describe the "WRATH" that you keep threatening posters with. You add nothing to the conversation. Your entire purpose is to lob meaningless threats at other posters. That is the DEFINITION of a troll. Start hunting yourself. I'll give you a hint: there's a trail of doritos crumbs and desperation leading to your prey.

And you prefer to have trolls on this site. PATHETIC! Wait a minute, I believe you are CSS or WDD. Sticking up for trolls is a big mistake.

trollhunter writes:

FANS: VolAlum03ISBACK is none other than CSS (CantStandSaban)

trollhunter writes:

in response to Navalorange:

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Don't worry, he'll be taken cared of.

Tnjimmy writes:

I think the NCAA has gotten out of control and its time for all major schools to develop a new organization.

VolAlum03ISBACK (Inactive) writes:

in response to trollhunter:

FANS: VolAlum03ISBACK is none other than CSS (CantStandSaban)

You are an idiot.

CSS is a Vandy fan. I graduated from UT in December 2003. Casey Clausen's parents annoyed the hell out of my dad during the ceremony and got ticked when the auditorium didn't erupt in applause as he got his diploma. I was living in Morrill Hall when four students got robbed in their dorm rooms in spring 2001. I used to sweat my a** off in "the Bubble." I spent two years living in Melrose Hall without A/C and sucking in fumes and dust while the greenway/walkway/whatever was built. So, while you claim to be a UT fan, I actually paid tuition, attended classes, and proudly walked across the podium in Thompson Boling Arena to accept my diploma.

You better keep whatever job you have, because you aren't a very good troll hunter.

trollhunter writes:

in response to VolAlum03ISBACK:

You are an idiot.

CSS is a Vandy fan. I graduated from UT in December 2003. Casey Clausen's parents annoyed the hell out of my dad during the ceremony and got ticked when the auditorium didn't erupt in applause as he got his diploma. I was living in Morrill Hall when four students got robbed in their dorm rooms in spring 2001. I used to sweat my a** off in "the Bubble." I spent two years living in Melrose Hall without A/C and sucking in fumes and dust while the greenway/walkway/whatever was built. So, while you claim to be a UT fan, I actually paid tuition, attended classes, and proudly walked across the podium in Thompson Boling Arena to accept my diploma.

You better keep whatever job you have, because you aren't a very good troll hunter.

FANS, See how he knows about CSS. Yep,the SAME PERSON

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