UT's day of reckoning with NCAA is here

Hearing could come down to a few factors

The University of Tennessee received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA on Feb. 22, 2011 regarding the school's men's basketball, coached by Bruce Pearl, right, and football programs, when coached by Lane Kiffin, left. This notice is in response to reports of alleged violations reported by UT and from external sources.

The University of Tennessee received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA on Feb. 22, 2011 regarding the school's men's basketball, coached by Bruce Pearl, right, and football programs, when coached by Lane Kiffin, left. This notice is in response to reports of alleged violations reported by UT and from external sources.

INDIANAPOLIS - Tennessee administrators, a soon-to-be-former administrator, current coaches, former coaches, new bosses, old friends and even brothers-in-law will all check in to a prominent downtown hotel this morning and pile into a large conference room.

When they're allowed to check out all depends on how satisfied the NCAA Committee on Infractions is with the answers they respectively provide to an endless barrage of probing questions.

The facts laid out in 12 major violations presented in the Notice of Allegations UT received in February are thorough and clear. How the defending parties explain their roles and perceived culpability for those violations, though, promises to elicit at least a few disagreements at today's closed-door hearing, which, according to former COI members, will go as late as it has to.

Among the topics that might bring forth the most conflict are:

Where does UT stand with the 'bump'?

Four days after he tearfully admitted to misleading NCAA investigators during a June 2010 interview, former men's basketball coach Bruce Pearl, accompanied by top assistant Tony Jones, committed what the NCAA determined to be a major violation. Pearl and Jones had a two-to-three minute conversation with then-junior Jordan Adams (Lawrenceville, Ga.) while on a trip to Oak Hill Academy in Virginia. That length of contact is deemed impermissible by NCAA rules, but it's rarely - if ever - been considered anything more than a secondary violation.

The timing, of course, was awful, but Pearl and Jones, who are represented by different attorneys, probably have a decent case to get the charge reduced. The intriguing part of this discussion will center on where UT stands with the "bump."

Before he and his staff were fired, Pearl was assured that UT would try to have the charge reduced or completely eliminated. But now that UT has separated itself from the popular coach, it very well could pin the violation on Pearl and focus on the violations that will most directly affect its program moving forward.

Reaves' role in the Orange Pride fiasco

Though it is redacted beyond comprehension in the Notice of Allegations presented to the media, it's clear that former UT quarterbacks coach David Reaves' role in the Orange Pride-related violation will be a hot-button issue during today's hearing.

Reaves' violation falls under the blanket phrase of "allegations relating to impermissible contacts with prospective student-athletes." The News Sentinel learned in September that Reaves was aware that two members of the UT hostess group known as Orange Pride traveled to Byrnes (S.C.) High and posed for pictures with two prospects - Corey Miller, who is currently a Vols sophomore, and Brandon Willis, who is now at North Carolina.

UT apparently made it clear to the NCAA during the investigation portion of this infractions case that it had no knowledge of Reaves' role in what was considered a clear-cut violation. Reaves, though, could tell a different story today. He's remained one of the bigger unknowns throughout this process, as he's remained as quiet as anyone involved.

Perhaps Reaves, who now serves as the offensive coordinator at New Mexico, will fall on the sword and move on with his career. Or maybe he'll fight it. Only those behind the closed doors will know.

Loyalty among former assistant coaches

Jones and Jason Shay remain out of work since they were fired as men's basketball assistants in March. Steve Forbes, who moved on to a head coaching job at a Florida junior college, now earns less than half of his old salary.

All three had a hand in the 10 violations levied against the basketball program, but Pearl is clearly the face of why everyone is here in the first place.

How the three assistants present their case will go a long way in determining not just their respective futures, but Pearl's as well.

The Kiffin factor; what can UT prove?

Lane Kiffin was an unpredictable figure from the day he landed in Knoxville as Phillip Fulmer's replacement to the day he surprisingly bolted to Southern Cal for his "dream job."

Already facing heavy-handed sanctions brought upon by his predecessor's regime, Kiffin has even more to lose at today's hearing. He faces a charge of failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance within the football program and failure to monitor the activities regarding compliance of several assistant coaches. If UT can prove Kiffin was running a rogue program and is completely to blame, he could be yanked from recruiting off campus for more than a year.

To think Kiffin, or anyone whose vested interest is on the line today, will go down without a fight is short-sighted.

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CoverOrange writes:

What did they know and when did they know it?

kingmufasa76 writes:

so basically we are playing 2 games on sat..... who can tell the truth? and russian roulette

TennesseeVols writes:

May God be with Tennessee

CoverOrange writes:

So many variables in this, a shame it isn't going to be on CourTV. They can all point fingers at each other but can any of them prove anything?

kingmufasa76 writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

So many variables in this, a shame it isn't going to be on CourTV. They can all point fingers at each other but can any of them prove anything?

espn lovem or hatem will be there

RJ_Vol writes:

Let's take our medicine and move on. More than ever, the University of Tennessee needs its fans today. Stand tall. From the General, "If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam."

CoverOrange writes:

in response to kingmufasa76:

espn lovem or hatem will be there

How many times will they show the timeline?

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

Never could stand cheaters. I'm glad they are gone, all of them. Yeah that includes everyone's loverboy..The greaseball Bruce Pearl.

eduardo writes:

damn the torpedoes! Us against the world people!

DannyVol writes:

Former coaches, former athletic director...unlike a lot of schools, most if not all of the violators are no longer on campus. That has to count for something. Please let that count for something.

Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctors nipples hard with anticipation.
Bones never lie.

born2ride writes:

Here's my prediction:

We are found guilty of lack on institutional control.

No NCAA tourney for 2 years for basketball team. (We are not going anyway under Martin.)

Loss of 2 basketball scholarship and restrictions on recruiting.

Football - two years probation but can still go to bowl games. No scholarship loss.

No TV loss. Pay a big fine.

Pearl - two year ban on coaching in NCAA.

TJ and Forbes - one year ban.

Kiffin - gets away with it.

Firing Pearl and Hamilton does not reduce the penalties.

eVOLved writes:

in response to 02champs#209256:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Gribble writes a great deal, and I read about the mock hearing in Sports Illustrated, from someone who wasn't there. Don't hate, you'll be reading the next articles when it starts to happen.

TurfToe writes:

Let's get this over with and get back to our roots! Running an elite program and doing it with pride, dignity, and respect. Go Vols!!!!!

PdxVol writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctors nipples hard with anticipation.
Bones never lie.

Who is the real Witch Doctor? Is this the real Witch Doctor or an impostor? I've seen blasphemous impostors in the past... is this one of them? Or is this the real one? Why would you be a ghost?

-confused

Mark63 writes:

This is how I am seeing the whole thing to go down to. Kiffin gets ban from the recuitment of players for three years, and one year probation. Hamilton gets fine very heavy, and is ban from ever holding another AD job, anywhere in the country. As for the rest of the people involve. I am going to remain silent on that. Unless they are going to rake the coals over coach Pearl. I have the most respect for him. I do not care what anyone else say about the man. As for basketball, and football programs. Either one, or both programs gets hit with the death penalty. That would mean the end to this season's basketball season, as well as next year, and football will start there's after this years playing. With no tv time what so ever. A total revamp of both programs, and restrictions in place for three years. Providing that after the first season off of the death penalty. That both programs can stay out of trouble. I am predicting this, because I really do believe that there is no way out of the storm that is about to become a hurricane.

VOLSERIOUS writes:

The fact of the matter vol nation is that once again hundreds of thousands of dollars will be spent for conversations and pictures with cuties and cocky coaching, thank the lord we didnt have a player wink the wrong way at a debutant at some catillion somewhere. Could someone show me the true damage created by the alleged violations.200,000 will be spent for what? How much will the
NCAA spend prosecuting these cases. If all recruits had been handed a share of 200,000 cash I could some how understand. People these kids are recruited from middle school and twitted, tweeted and touted by blue chip news sources constantly.
This political hogwash is a waste and another
reason the NCAA governing body is a joke.

richvol writes:

Let all who have it coming get what they deserve. I don't believe for a second that UT tried to cheat in any way but that does not exclude the various coaches involved.

Huttdawg100 writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctors nipples hard with anticipation.
Bones never lie.

HILARIOUS!!!!!!!

UCFgradVOLatHEART writes:

in response to Mark63:

This is how I am seeing the whole thing to go down to. Kiffin gets ban from the recuitment of players for three years, and one year probation. Hamilton gets fine very heavy, and is ban from ever holding another AD job, anywhere in the country. As for the rest of the people involve. I am going to remain silent on that. Unless they are going to rake the coals over coach Pearl. I have the most respect for him. I do not care what anyone else say about the man. As for basketball, and football programs. Either one, or both programs gets hit with the death penalty. That would mean the end to this season's basketball season, as well as next year, and football will start there's after this years playing. With no tv time what so ever. A total revamp of both programs, and restrictions in place for three years. Providing that after the first season off of the death penalty. That both programs can stay out of trouble. I am predicting this, because I really do believe that there is no way out of the storm that is about to become a hurricane.

The Death Penalty is a little harsh. That has only been dealt out once. SMU did a lot of shady things to get that. Tennessee is too much of a money cow for the NCAA to act that harsh.

bpvol#216873 writes:

Sad,Sad times for the UT family. And for most of us grads, fans, supportors, all we can do is sit by and watch.
While it's not the end of the world, it really makes me sad/mad to have to be Dragged into it.
I am for one ashamed and embarrassed. If you bleed orange, it's hard to not be.
All we can do is go with whatever penalties are levied and move on. As with all other things in life, it will pass.
But....I have been a proud ticket holder for 15 years. Not anymore. Let my tickets go this year.
Don't have any plans to re-up until I feel proud to be a Vol again.

nwcs writes:

The butler. In the parlor with a candlestick. That's how it'll end up.

Huttdawg100 writes:

Honestly, I think this is the opportunity for the NCAA to prevent guys like John Calipari and Lane Kiffin from going to a school, violating all sorts of NCAA rules, and then leaving the school to shoulder the burdens of punishment.

Pearl is going to get hammered. They're probably going to hit him with at least a 3 or 4 year show cause penalty. Kiffin and/or Orgeron will be pulled off the recruiting trail of a period of time.

Obviously, we'll get probation for some length of time. I think we lose 2 scholarships in football because of Corey Miller (I read that the NCAA generally takes 2 schollies for every one illegally recruited player). Basketball is completely confusing because we gained no competitive advantage from Pearl's transgressions, but most of the major violations that occurred are pinned on basketball.

volsfannsc writes:

Second guessing NCAA penalties is futile so why bother. They hammer when they shouldn't and the overlook when they shouldn't. Only God knows what drives their decisions. Without sensationalizing what has happened, the bulk of the wrong-doing is Pearl lied to NCAA personel and Kiffin did it his way after being told no. Both issues are between coach and NCAA and the trick to this is going to be how the NCAA associates their behavior with the university. Both UConn and Auburn have dodged bullets, but add in USC, OSU and UT and the whole thing starts to get messy. Interesting drama that would make great TV. I'm embarrassed that my university is in the limelight. I long for the days when things were quiet and we did our talking on the field or court.

HallowedHill writes:

in response to volsfannsc:

Second guessing NCAA penalties is futile so why bother. They hammer when they shouldn't and the overlook when they shouldn't. Only God knows what drives their decisions. Without sensationalizing what has happened, the bulk of the wrong-doing is Pearl lied to NCAA personel and Kiffin did it his way after being told no. Both issues are between coach and NCAA and the trick to this is going to be how the NCAA associates their behavior with the university. Both UConn and Auburn have dodged bullets, but add in USC, OSU and UT and the whole thing starts to get messy. Interesting drama that would make great TV. I'm embarrassed that my university is in the limelight. I long for the days when things were quiet and we did our talking on the field or court.

Amen brother!

TennesseeVols writes:

Knowing Tennessee's luck these past couple of years, it could be ugly

jdcdjc writes:

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I noticed the same thing. Martin has not coached a game and this guy is already branding him a looser.

MusicCityVol writes:

This could, and probably will, be bad. Everyone brace yourselves.

Hamilton's Professional Legacy To Be Defined In Indy
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mary59 writes:

I hope that the NCAA keep UT from any tourment play for 3yr and they ban from any tv games for the same amount of time. It about time the NCAA start throwing the book at the school who break the rules. The NCAA has turn there back on school for breaking rule to many times.
I hope if the UT get the book throw at them the player can tranefer to another school with out sitting out . It be so good that if UT looses all it top player to another school. It about time UT get it head out of the clouds. All you hear about is the sport program. You never hear about the medical schools or law school.
That is so shameful.

DaveVol writes:

in response to VOLSERIOUS:

The fact of the matter vol nation is that once again hundreds of thousands of dollars will be spent for conversations and pictures with cuties and cocky coaching, thank the lord we didnt have a player wink the wrong way at a debutant at some catillion somewhere. Could someone show me the true damage created by the alleged violations.200,000 will be spent for what? How much will the
NCAA spend prosecuting these cases. If all recruits had been handed a share of 200,000 cash I could some how understand. People these kids are recruited from middle school and twitted, tweeted and touted by blue chip news sources constantly.
This political hogwash is a waste and another
reason the NCAA governing body is a joke.

I tend to agree with you. I don't think these amount to buying players, which is what Ohio State, Bama, USC, and Auburn have done and still do. Yet UT will most likely receive the same punishment.

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to born2ride:

Here's my prediction:

We are found guilty of lack on institutional control.

No NCAA tourney for 2 years for basketball team. (We are not going anyway under Martin.)

Loss of 2 basketball scholarship and restrictions on recruiting.

Football - two years probation but can still go to bowl games. No scholarship loss.

No TV loss. Pay a big fine.

Pearl - two year ban on coaching in NCAA.

TJ and Forbes - one year ban.

Kiffin - gets away with it.

Firing Pearl and Hamilton does not reduce the penalties.

Well, first of all, we are not charged with lack of institutional control. And like him or not, Mike hamilton will be an AD again, likely before Bruce ever coaches another D1 college basketball game. No way of predicting the NCAA, but my bet is probabtion and a loss of a scholly or two. Bruce gets a show cause, and very possibly Lame Kiffin as well

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to Mark63:

This is how I am seeing the whole thing to go down to. Kiffin gets ban from the recuitment of players for three years, and one year probation. Hamilton gets fine very heavy, and is ban from ever holding another AD job, anywhere in the country. As for the rest of the people involve. I am going to remain silent on that. Unless they are going to rake the coals over coach Pearl. I have the most respect for him. I do not care what anyone else say about the man. As for basketball, and football programs. Either one, or both programs gets hit with the death penalty. That would mean the end to this season's basketball season, as well as next year, and football will start there's after this years playing. With no tv time what so ever. A total revamp of both programs, and restrictions in place for three years. Providing that after the first season off of the death penalty. That both programs can stay out of trouble. I am predicting this, because I really do believe that there is no way out of the storm that is about to become a hurricane.

The NCAA themselves after the SMU fiasco said there would NEVER be another "death penalty". So you lose

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

The whole Orange Pride incident is a laughable secondary violation..Nothing was gained and Reaves should have known better if he directed that stupidity..Iam sure Kiffin and Orgeron did things FAR worse than 2 girls waving a sign

DutchOrangeVolsOrange writes:

in response to shipperman#280095:

Well, first of all, we are not charged with lack of institutional control. And like him or not, Mike hamilton will be an AD again, likely before Bruce ever coaches another D1 college basketball game. No way of predicting the NCAA, but my bet is probabtion and a loss of a scholly or two. Bruce gets a show cause, and very possibly Lame Kiffin as well

Look, as far as basketball goes, well, I dunno. It could get nasty. Maybe a ban from post season play for 1-3 years. My prediction will be ban from post season for 2 years and scholly reductions for 2 years.

Football. Since the lack of institutinal control has been dropped, I think some scholly reductions. No post season bowl bans. The scolly sanctions would certainly hurt us since it has taken Dooley and staff to build back the numbers. As for Ole Surfer Boy (Kiffen) He needs to get something out of this. I have heard recruiting restrictions at USC. What can the NCAA do to a coach after He is left a school in NCAA troubl for another school?

Paul Finebaum could not resist making a dig at not getting banned from post season by saying some minor bowl will not get the opportunity to choose Tennessee. Finebaum is a UT grad? What, did some Lady at UT turn him down on a date or something? For this is worth these are just my predictions. My speculation on all of this is as worthy as some of the knuckleheaded comments I have seen on this whole thing since this started!

DutchOrangeVolsOrange writes:

I do not think there will be a postseason ban on the football team. A few scholly reductions, but that will be painful especially since it has taken 2 years for Dooley and staff to build that back again. I wonder what the NCAA could do to Ole Surfer Boy out at USC?

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to DutchOrangeVolsOrange:

Look, as far as basketball goes, well, I dunno. It could get nasty. Maybe a ban from post season play for 1-3 years. My prediction will be ban from post season for 2 years and scholly reductions for 2 years.

Football. Since the lack of institutinal control has been dropped, I think some scholly reductions. No post season bowl bans. The scolly sanctions would certainly hurt us since it has taken Dooley and staff to build back the numbers. As for Ole Surfer Boy (Kiffen) He needs to get something out of this. I have heard recruiting restrictions at USC. What can the NCAA do to a coach after He is left a school in NCAA troubl for another school?

Paul Finebaum could not resist making a dig at not getting banned from post season by saying some minor bowl will not get the opportunity to choose Tennessee. Finebaum is a UT grad? What, did some Lady at UT turn him down on a date or something? For this is worth these are just my predictions. My speculation on all of this is as worthy as some of the knuckleheaded comments I have seen on this whole thing since this started!

Personally, and mind you only a thought, I don't think we see post season bans. I think we look at probation but Bruce will get hammered, and Kiffy boy may lose his current job over a show cause

VolGrad writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctors nipples hard with anticipation.
Bones never lie.

TMI, but LOL anyway.

MDiv writes:

in response to mary59:

I hope that the NCAA keep UT from any tourment play for 3yr and they ban from any tv games for the same amount of time. It about time the NCAA start throwing the book at the school who break the rules. The NCAA has turn there back on school for breaking rule to many times.
I hope if the UT get the book throw at them the player can tranefer to another school with out sitting out . It be so good that if UT looses all it top player to another school. It about time UT get it head out of the clouds. All you hear about is the sport program. You never hear about the medical schools or law school.
That is so shameful.

I think you missed the English classes at UTK. Perhaps a little refresher course in grammar would be in order. Law school? Medical school? Give me a break! You could not pass Freshman English.

DutchOrangeVolsOrange writes:

in response to shipperman#280095:

Personally, and mind you only a thought, I don't think we see post season bans. I think we look at probation but Bruce will get hammered, and Kiffy boy may lose his current job over a show cause

Yes I tend to agree with your thoughts on all of this. More so on the football program. I am worried about the basketball program.

Another bad thing about all of this is that this process might take a few weeks to a few months before the NCAA makes the ruling. All of the UT Vol fan base is already on pins and needles!

VolGrad writes:

in response to Mark63:

This is how I am seeing the whole thing to go down to. Kiffin gets ban from the recuitment of players for three years, and one year probation. Hamilton gets fine very heavy, and is ban from ever holding another AD job, anywhere in the country. As for the rest of the people involve. I am going to remain silent on that. Unless they are going to rake the coals over coach Pearl. I have the most respect for him. I do not care what anyone else say about the man. As for basketball, and football programs. Either one, or both programs gets hit with the death penalty. That would mean the end to this season's basketball season, as well as next year, and football will start there's after this years playing. With no tv time what so ever. A total revamp of both programs, and restrictions in place for three years. Providing that after the first season off of the death penalty. That both programs can stay out of trouble. I am predicting this, because I really do believe that there is no way out of the storm that is about to become a hurricane.

You need to make an appointment with your ophthalmologist.

GOJO writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctors nipples hard with anticipation.
Bones never lie.

**************

- - -- - But do nipples lie?

pj_ladyvolnMI writes:

Andrew, is the hearing taking place in the NCAA headquarters or off-site in a hotel? I've heard both mentioned. Just curious since I live here...and can't seem to find out. It would be fun to get a group photo...ha.

utvolfan writes:

in response to bpvol#216873:

Sad,Sad times for the UT family. And for most of us grads, fans, supportors, all we can do is sit by and watch.
While it's not the end of the world, it really makes me sad/mad to have to be Dragged into it.
I am for one ashamed and embarrassed. If you bleed orange, it's hard to not be.
All we can do is go with whatever penalties are levied and move on. As with all other things in life, it will pass.
But....I have been a proud ticket holder for 15 years. Not anymore. Let my tickets go this year.
Don't have any plans to re-up until I feel proud to be a Vol again.

Yes, it's a sad time for the UT family, as this pattern of violations is inexcusable. However, the alleged perpetrators are gone, so the current coaches--and especially players--need fans' support more than ever. True fans (and family) stay loyal in good times and bad ones too.

82cat writes:

WOW!

I am a long time fan and I will always support the vols. I will be at every game watch it in on tv or listen to it on the radio just as I have for 50 plus years but man how did our football program fall this far?

I just reviewed Lindys (I know they are not perfect but theY seem to try to include at least one player off each team for fan interest) team and player list indicate how far we have fallen.Even a all inclusive magazine like Lindys could not find a single player or position to include.

HERE WE GO:

TOP 25- NO
TOP 50- NO

1ST TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - 0 DEF - 0
2ND TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - 0 DEF - 0
3RD TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - O DEF - 0

TOP 1O PLAYERS BY POSITION
QB - O
O LINE - 0
D LINE - 0
RB - 0
WR - 0
TE - 0
D LINE - 0
LB - 0
DB - 0
SAFETIES 0
PUNTER - 0
KICKER - 0
ALL PURP 0

TOP 10 POSITIONS BY TEAM
QB - NO
RB - NO
WR - NO
TE - NO
OL - NO

DL - NO
LB - NO
DB - NO
S - NO

I know we have young kids and a new coach and hope for a promising future but once again how in the hll did it get this bad?

At this moment UT football is not even an after thought.

I really believe Dooley is the right guy but man if he isn't------- well I don't even want to think about it.

Just a question to you all

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?

Huttdawg100 writes:

in response to pj_ladyvolnMI:

Andrew, is the hearing taking place in the NCAA headquarters or off-site in a hotel? I've heard both mentioned. Just curious since I live here...and can't seem to find out. It would be fun to get a group photo...ha.

They're at a hotel off-site. On Twitter, Adams, Rucker, Gribble, Patrick Brown are giving play by play updates. Obviously they can't go in, but Gribble tweeted earlier that Kiffin was dead serious after the first break: "We're in a full fledged break. Some major fraternizing going on right now, Shockingly, Kiffin not milling around." I guess he never thought that kharma would come back and bite him in the end.

They said that Dooley was cracking jokes with reporters right before the hearings began

Follow me on twitter: @The7Maxims

DutchOrangeVolsOrange writes:

in response to Huttdawg100:

They're at a hotel off-site. On Twitter, Adams, Rucker, Gribble, Patrick Brown are giving play by play updates. Obviously they can't go in, but Gribble tweeted earlier that Kiffin was dead serious after the first break: "We're in a full fledged break. Some major fraternizing going on right now, Shockingly, Kiffin not milling around." I guess he never thought that kharma would come back and bite him in the end.

They said that Dooley was cracking jokes with reporters right before the hearings began

Follow me on twitter: @The7Maxims

I don't think I've ever seen ole Surfer Boy smile. The Guy is always dead serious!

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to DutchOrangeVolsOrange:

Yes I tend to agree with your thoughts on all of this. More so on the football program. I am worried about the basketball program.

Another bad thing about all of this is that this process might take a few weeks to a few months before the NCAA makes the ruling. All of the UT Vol fan base is already on pins and needles!

I think they said 6-8 weeks, yeah there will be a tad of nail biting in Big Orange Country i would say

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to 82cat:

WOW!

I am a long time fan and I will always support the vols. I will be at every game watch it in on tv or listen to it on the radio just as I have for 50 plus years but man how did our football program fall this far?

I just reviewed Lindys (I know they are not perfect but theY seem to try to include at least one player off each team for fan interest) team and player list indicate how far we have fallen.Even a all inclusive magazine like Lindys could not find a single player or position to include.

HERE WE GO:

TOP 25- NO
TOP 50- NO

1ST TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - 0 DEF - 0
2ND TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - 0 DEF - 0
3RD TEAM ALL AMERICANS - OFF - O DEF - 0

TOP 1O PLAYERS BY POSITION
QB - O
O LINE - 0
D LINE - 0
RB - 0
WR - 0
TE - 0
D LINE - 0
LB - 0
DB - 0
SAFETIES 0
PUNTER - 0
KICKER - 0
ALL PURP 0

TOP 10 POSITIONS BY TEAM
QB - NO
RB - NO
WR - NO
TE - NO
OL - NO

DL - NO
LB - NO
DB - NO
S - NO

I know we have young kids and a new coach and hope for a promising future but once again how in the hll did it get this bad?

At this moment UT football is not even an after thought.

I really believe Dooley is the right guy but man if he isn't------- well I don't even want to think about it.

Just a question to you all

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?

Fillup Foolmer, and Jim Haslem for letting Hamilton keep Foolmore too long

Huttdawg100 writes:

in response to DutchOrangeVolsOrange:

I don't think I've ever seen ole Surfer Boy smile. The Guy is always dead serious!

I think Slive hit him with another Reprimand.

VolGrad writes:

in response to mary59:

I hope that the NCAA keep UT from any tourment play for 3yr and they ban from any tv games for the same amount of time. It about time the NCAA start throwing the book at the school who break the rules. The NCAA has turn there back on school for breaking rule to many times.
I hope if the UT get the book throw at them the player can tranefer to another school with out sitting out . It be so good that if UT looses all it top player to another school. It about time UT get it head out of the clouds. All you hear about is the sport program. You never hear about the medical schools or law school.
That is so shameful.

I want to encourage you to continue taking those English grammar classes.

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