David Paschal: Charlie Weis the most intriguing offensive coordinator in SEC

Having trouble waiting until the start of college football season? In a series on Sundays, the Times Free Press is providing top-three lists on various Southeastern Conference topics. Today’s list contains the most intriguing offensive coordinators for 2011.

1-- FLORIDA’S CHARLIE WEIS: This may be the most curious pairing of a head coach and an offensive coordinator in league history, and it has both Florida fans and rivals captivated.

Will Muschamp, 39. is in charge for the first time in his career, and it comes at the only program that has won three national championships in the past 15 seasons. The 55-year-old Weis has five years of head-coaching experience at Notre Dame and may be the most recognized offensive coordinator in NFL history.

Weis called the plays for Bill Belichick’s New England Patriots when they became the NFL’s first such coaching combination to win three Super Bowls in a four-year stretch.

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Orange_Scooter writes:

The most intriguing gut and triple chins in the league. He belongs in Florida, that way when they get beached whales they can peddle Charlie's fat butt out there to show them the way out to sea... you know like follow the leader. Heck, for entertainment purposes they can just take him down to SeaWorld and let kids feed him for a few bucks.

MusicCityVol writes:

I think Weis, Muschamp, and company will do a good job. If there was a year to get them though I think this might be it.

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basketballfever writes:

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TN holds the longest streak in the series @ 10 games. We'll see how good uf is without a proven head coach. I also like our chances against Charlie Weis as the OC. Didn't he lead Notre Dame to records of 3-9, 7-6 & 6-6 in his last three years there? Finally, he led Notre Dame to its 1st loss to Navy in 43 years. GO VOLS!!!

murrayvol writes:

No doubt Charlie's a larger than life figure.

BrassMonkey writes:

in response to basketballfever:

TN holds the longest streak in the series @ 10 games. We'll see how good uf is without a proven head coach. I also like our chances against Charlie Weis as the OC. Didn't he lead Notre Dame to records of 3-9, 7-6 & 6-6 in his last three years there? Finally, he led Notre Dame to its 1st loss to Navy in 43 years. GO VOLS!!!

He also beat the Vols twice during those years. In the end a Clausen brother was his downfall. Just like another oversized coach in K-town.

agohn writes:

in response to Mama_Calls_Me_Precious:

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It's amazing that all you Florida fans are so classless that you come onto a UT board to spew your hate.

Say it with me now Vols fans: Precious is a DB.

ULTIMATEVOLUNTEER writes:

Funny how all those "fat" jokes that used to be directed at Fulmer come around to bite you later. Maybe Charlie can help gain ground on Tennessee's National Championships.

VOLliven2it writes:

Charlie Weiss has proven NOTHING in college football. Will Muschamp has proven NOTHING as a head coach. So it is a wait and see deal.Keep on saying what all they will do. Words can be eaten or they can be proven. No one questions the talent FL has every year. Time alone will tell if people will be questioning their hires as head and OC. I am excitedly awaiting the coming season. By the way, I will be yelling for the Orange and White even with "lawyer boy" as you say as head coach and even if the Gators get the Seventh. A day of reckoning for the Vols is coming against the Gators. Just wait!

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to agohn:

It's amazing that all you Florida fans are so classless that you come onto a UT board to spew your hate.

Say it with me now Vols fans: Precious is a DB.

Vols and Agohn,

Not to worry friend. Trolls such as those two who camp out here on Go VOLS Extra, Destructible and Mama-needs-help-if this troll is precious,
simply have nothing else to do.

Vol fans have long concluded many of these trolls are plants. Others come under the envy-type categories such as CSS,himself, or anybody.
Many trolls like to take their shots for now, since they fear the inevitable.

The_Real_Orange writes:

I'm not overly optimistic about this coming season as it normally takes a year to get the players on the same page with an entirely new staff. For the Vol fans talking stupidly about UF returning to mediocrity.....keep dreaming. The commitments that UF already has is proving exactly what Foley saw, Muschamp is a great recruiter. If he can coach....UF will be back in the NC hunt again soon!

Ayres_Hall writes:

I disagree. Malzahn is still the most intriguing. No question. Malzahn was still coaching high school football while ol' Charlie was shuffling game plans between Belicheck and Brady. It's not too difficult being that middle man.

What else you got Charlie?

UF will be in the hunt regardless of who is coaching it's talent.

The fat jokes were NEVER funny. But stupiud fans will be stupid fans.

BrassMonkey writes:

in response to VOLliven2it:

Charlie Weiss has proven NOTHING in college football. Will Muschamp has proven NOTHING as a head coach. So it is a wait and see deal.Keep on saying what all they will do. Words can be eaten or they can be proven. No one questions the talent FL has every year. Time alone will tell if people will be questioning their hires as head and OC. I am excitedly awaiting the coming season. By the way, I will be yelling for the Orange and White even with "lawyer boy" as you say as head coach and even if the Gators get the Seventh. A day of reckoning for the Vols is coming against the Gators. Just wait!

FYI you sang Kiff's praises and he had proven nothing. Now you are on the Doolittle bandwagon and guess what he has proven....

BrassMonkey writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Vols and Agohn,

Not to worry friend. Trolls such as those two who camp out here on Go VOLS Extra, Destructible and Mama-needs-help-if this troll is precious,
simply have nothing else to do.

Vol fans have long concluded many of these trolls are plants. Others come under the envy-type categories such as CSS,himself, or anybody.
Many trolls like to take their shots for now, since they fear the inevitable.

I think the inevitable is that Dooley is gone by the 2013 season and we bring on a qualified coach that does not recruit and operate on a division II level.

Orange_Scooter writes:

in response to The_Real_Orange:

I'm not overly optimistic about this coming season as it normally takes a year to get the players on the same page with an entirely new staff. For the Vol fans talking stupidly about UF returning to mediocrity.....keep dreaming. The commitments that UF already has is proving exactly what Foley saw, Muschamp is a great recruiter. If he can coach....UF will be back in the NC hunt again soon!

Yeah, getting the recruits is a given in UF though. The same could be said about Texas and USC. Doesn't matter the coach they will always have an advantage there.

This recruiting season ain't over though and I think Florida State and Miami, as well as the other SEC schools, will add a lot more pressure in the coming years. FSU already appears to have a leg up in that area.

murrayvol writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Vols and Agohn,

Not to worry friend. Trolls such as those two who camp out here on Go VOLS Extra, Destructible and Mama-needs-help-if this troll is precious,
simply have nothing else to do.

Vol fans have long concluded many of these trolls are plants. Others come under the envy-type categories such as CSS,himself, or anybody.
Many trolls like to take their shots for now, since they fear the inevitable.

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VOLliven2it writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

FYI you sang Kiff's praises and he had proven nothing. Now you are on the Doolittle bandwagon and guess what he has proven....

Monkey you are climbing up the wrong tree with this Vol fan. You need to go sit on your Brass somewhere. I never lauded the Twinky Soft Cakes as our Coach. I had to accept it as did all Vols fans. I was especially happy when he left. Were you when Pope Urban left? FYI, look up who praised former coaches before you post on here doood. I have not claimed Dooley will do anything but he did take a really needy squad and got 6 wins last year. How many wins as head coach did Muschamp have? At least our boy was in the game. Go on and keep posting, I can neither hear nor see you. Monkey my hind leg. DONKEY is more like it. I'm out!

orangecountyvols writes:

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Murray,

You said it friend. It's incredibly amusing how the trolls think anything they ramble with here make or will make any difference. It's what trolls like CSS/orhimself plus Brass Monkeys and not-so Precious losers............... are hoping for.

Simply put, the trolls exist in fear of the inevitable.

Outdated writes:

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Not likely...Notre Dame didn't run him off by accident...If Texas wanted to keep Mus they would have done so..South Car, LSU, ALA, Auburn, and Georgia likely will be better than Florida in the forseeable future..TN will catch and pass them soon.. Looking for failure at Florida seems the most logical at this point...!!!!!

Outdated writes:

in response to CantStandSaban:

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Too bad Notre Dame didn't contact you before they got rid of such a HUGE great coach...

The_Real_Orange writes:

in response to Outdated:

Not likely...Notre Dame didn't run him off by accident...If Texas wanted to keep Mus they would have done so..South Car, LSU, ALA, Auburn, and Georgia likely will be better than Florida in the forseeable future..TN will catch and pass them soon.. Looking for failure at Florida seems the most logical at this point...!!!!!

Not likely that Texas was going to make an offer to Muschamp to keep him as an asst coach that could compare to the 2.75 mil per year that UF is paying him. Time will tell whether this staff that UF has put together will be successful or not. I like the results of most of Foley's hires in the past. His hires have been a little more successful than Hamilton's hires.....don't ya think?

voloffaith writes:

in response to CantStandSaban:

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Ouch that really hurt again.....If we're easy pickins then Van is........no I'll just let you ruminate on that one for a while.

FWBVol writes:

in response to The_Real_Orange:

Not likely that Texas was going to make an offer to Muschamp to keep him as an asst coach that could compare to the 2.75 mil per year that UF is paying him. Time will tell whether this staff that UF has put together will be successful or not. I like the results of most of Foley's hires in the past. His hires have been a little more successful than Hamilton's hires.....don't ya think?

I'll grant you that as far as overall hires Foley would seem more successful than Hamilton, but the jury is still out on the last two guys Hamilton hired...Derek Dooley and Cuonzo Martin.

I believe that, after inheriting a mess and needing a few years to right the ship, Dooley will do just fine in the long run. I believe the Martin will be a very good basketball coach for the Vols as well. And every indication is that before he resigned Hamilton did most of the ground work to get Dave Serrano in place as the UT baseball coach. Of course that's the least he could have done considering that he gave us Todd Raleigh.

As for the head football coaches that Foley has hired at Florida at this time he is one of two with the success of the third, and most recent hire, yet to be determined.

Nobody can deny that Ron Zook did an unacceptable job for the Gators on the field, but he left Urban Meyer the talent needed to win championships.

kman29 writes:

in response to Outdated:

Not likely...Notre Dame didn't run him off by accident...If Texas wanted to keep Mus they would have done so..South Car, LSU, ALA, Auburn, and Georgia likely will be better than Florida in the forseeable future..TN will catch and pass them soon.. Looking for failure at Florida seems the most logical at this point...!!!!!

If Texas wanted to keep Muschamp they would have done so???? Really this is your angle? And how would they have done so other than offering him the head coach position at Texas? As Muschamp said on his ESPN interview when Florida calls you answer. There are very few programs who have that status and Florida is one of them. So while Texas DID want to keep him, there was nothing they could do to pursude him to stay. Yeah lets see, "Will please stay as D-Cordinator and MAYBE when Mack Brown retires we will make you the head coach" That only works I guess when Tennessee comes calling you.

kman29 writes:

Have to laugh reading some of these comments about Weis. It all centers around his weight and his success as a head coach at Notre Dame. Well for the gators 1. Who really cares about his weight. 2. Last I checked he is not the head coach at Florida. I was quite certain that his title was offensive cordinator. And Weis's offenses, even at Notre Dame were never an issue. Weis lost at Notre Dame because they could never stop people on defense and his managing skills as a head coach were not good enough to fix that issue. So say what you want about his resume as a head coach in the end he is an assistant and his resume in that category is unmatched.

basketballfever writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

He also beat the Vols twice during those years. In the end a Clausen brother was his downfall. Just like another oversized coach in K-town.

It was actually once (2005) and it wasn't his team. He inherited it from Ty Willingham. His first year he had a good team and went to a BCS game. The players he signed were the last three years and the record showed it (3-9, 7-6 & 6-6). So for you uf fans, you better hope he can do the same with Meyer's recruits cause he can't do it with his own. GO BIG ORANGE!!!

The_Real_Orange writes:

in response to FWBVol:

I'll grant you that as far as overall hires Foley would seem more successful than Hamilton, but the jury is still out on the last two guys Hamilton hired...Derek Dooley and Cuonzo Martin.

I believe that, after inheriting a mess and needing a few years to right the ship, Dooley will do just fine in the long run. I believe the Martin will be a very good basketball coach for the Vols as well. And every indication is that before he resigned Hamilton did most of the ground work to get Dave Serrano in place as the UT baseball coach. Of course that's the least he could have done considering that he gave us Todd Raleigh.

As for the head football coaches that Foley has hired at Florida at this time he is one of two with the success of the third, and most recent hire, yet to be determined.

Nobody can deny that Ron Zook did an unacceptable job for the Gators on the field, but he left Urban Meyer the talent needed to win championships.

Wow .....a reasonable response on a sportsboard....how rare. Foley has an outstanding record when it comes to hires, as evidenced by UF setting the record this current season for SEC Titles. The baseball and softball teams were in the world series this year and his hires have won 4 National Titles in just the last few years in the 2 BIG SPORTS. Foley has no problem replacing a coach if he doesn't think they have their program competing nationally nearly every year.

MitchelCrass writes:

in response to Outdated:

Not likely...Notre Dame didn't run him off by accident...If Texas wanted to keep Mus they would have done so..South Car, LSU, ALA, Auburn, and Georgia likely will be better than Florida in the forseeable future..TN will catch and pass them soon.. Looking for failure at Florida seems the most logical at this point...!!!!!

couldn't agree more. hard to understand florida hired a first time head coach and charlie weis as an assistant. could be trouble.

The_Real_Orange writes:

in response to MitchelCrass:

couldn't agree more. hard to understand florida hired a first time head coach and charlie weis as an assistant. could be trouble.

The same opposing fans that are questioning the hiring of a first time coach are the ones that six years ago told us how the spread offense wasn't going to work in the SEC and that Meyer would fail. Six years and two National Championships later and I would say they were WRONG. Just sayin....

FearTheVols1252 writes:

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Funny how you come here to support Florida all the time when you're actually a Vandy fan. Oh yeah... maybe that's because your team has been irrelevant for DECADES!

FearTheVols1252 writes:

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Riiight... considering one is unproven at head coach and the other failed as a head coach.

I think most of you Florida fans have gotten such a big ego that you all have officially entered a state of denial. The other Florida schools are stepping up their recruiting efforts and are stealing talent away from you, while other SEC schools are making huge investments in coaching and recruiting. If we thought the SEC has been historically brutal, I think we're about to see that taken to an entirely new level, and your precious Gators will very unlikely be NC's or even SEC champs anywhere in the foreseeable future.

But by all means, please keep your blinders on… it will make it all the more fun for us to witness your disappointment and to start crying about the lack of victories under Muschamp and Weis. I give it 2 years before you start calling for their jobs!

ellerbee123 writes:

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They had to install new trophy cases in South Bend from all the title Weis brought in.

ellerbee123 writes:

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SEVEN

SEC1 writes:

Muschamp will be great. He has a top 5 class in the making with 12 commits so far mostly 4* recruits such as jessemen dunker, matt jones, jafar mann, mike davis, latroy pitman, colin thompson just to name a few. I know it's early but already impressive for muschamp. Oh by the way, how many recruits does dooley have secured? According to Rivals only 2 lol...

volsfannsc writes:

in response to The_Real_Orange:

The same opposing fans that are questioning the hiring of a first time coach are the ones that six years ago told us how the spread offense wasn't going to work in the SEC and that Meyer would fail. Six years and two National Championships later and I would say they were WRONG. Just sayin....

You really need to brush up on your football. Tebow left, Tebow right, dunk pass to the flats and Tebow left is not a spread offense. I'll give Tebow his credit where due- a great fullback. A spread offense????? Maybe because they lined up that way.

orangeman1 writes:

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That would be one heck of a coaching combo though.

The_Real_Orange writes:

in response to volsfannsc:

You really need to brush up on your football. Tebow left, Tebow right, dunk pass to the flats and Tebow left is not a spread offense. I'll give Tebow his credit where due- a great fullback. A spread offense????? Maybe because they lined up that way.

I think maybe you might have avoided the fact that whatever you want to call that offense....you can call it National Champs in 2006 & 2008. Just sayin.....

Down_The_Field writes:

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flar-duh 6-6 and 4-4 in the conference like last year.

aubie - L (thankful MSU was rotated out)
bammer - L (like last year)
lsu - L (like last year)
vandy - W (like last year)
kenlucky - W (like last year)
UGlAy & Vols split - W & L (break in the norm)
USC - L (like last year)
3 stooge non conference teams - W x 3 (like last year)
FSU - L (like last year)

music city bowl - W (win in different bowl)

Hrockytop writes:

I'm certainly NOT a gator fan but there's enough talent in Florida it doesn't matter who the coach is. Hell even that buffoon Zook won at Fla.. True I hope they fail but odds are Muschamp, Weis, and Fla. will be winners. Don't quite get why people ooh and awhh over Weis so much. I was not impressed with his uncreative, flat offense at ND. Hell the reason he won at NE was talent. I think after the wide open years of Spurrier and Meyer Fla. fans are gonna get bored quick.

Prostar writes:

You're going from a spread to a pro-style. You haven't recruited for a pro-style until this year and those guys are not on the field. Brantley and the other 10 guys have to pick up new formations and terminology and they're going to do it and not miss a beat? Florida will probably be good but they are beatable. Weis is good but over-rated, I'd take Malzahn over Weis.

beartn#223846 writes:

How can Malzahn not be in the top 3. It will be interesting what he can do with a new QB. At least he gets the RB back from last season.

headforTheHill writes:

Weiss hasn't proved a thing at this level and I would much rather have Dooley than Muschamp. They may beat the Vol's but they'll not win the East let alone the SEC championship. Texas had the pick of the litter just like Florida and his defense was shredded four or five games every year. Dooley=Integrity.

kman29 writes:

in response to headforTheHill:

Weiss hasn't proved a thing at this level and I would much rather have Dooley than Muschamp. They may beat the Vol's but they'll not win the East let alone the SEC championship. Texas had the pick of the litter just like Florida and his defense was shredded four or five games every year. Dooley=Integrity.

Weis hasn't proven a thing?

* Helped develop one of the best QBs in the NFL along the way winning 3 super bowl rings
* Got to Notre Dame and took a struggling Brady Quinn and turned him into a 1st round pick.
* Did actually go to 2 BCS bowls with Notre Dame

Not exactly sure how you can say Weis hasn't proven anything as an offensive cordinator. Maybe as a head coach, ok, but a cordinator? Come on!

But then again, please tell me what Dooley has proven? He is going into his 4th season as a head coach and has 1 winning season. He hasn't won a championship of any kind. His recruiting classes have been ok, but nothing spectacular. Other than showing he can beat the worse of the worse in the SEC and a horrid Memphis team, not really seeing what Dooley has proven.

As for your comment regarding Muschamp. His defenses were shredded four or five games a year????

Lets see 2008 their defense gave up 16 points a game and ranked 2nd nationally in sacks.

2009 they gave up 17 points a game. In both those seasons had there not been significant leads by Texas pounding the opposition the numbers would have been even better, but due to blowouts in many cases you had 2nd and 3rd teamers playing in the 4th qtr generally giving up a few extra meaningless scores. Yet even with that giving up 16 and 17 points a game in a season is certainly not being "shredded" especially when you consider the high caliber QBs those defenses faced in the big 12.

Colliervol writes:

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Vandy fans are not allowed to speak of football. Polo or croquet maybe. Leave the football discussions to the big boys.

Colliervol writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

FYI you sang Kiff's praises and he had proven nothing. Now you are on the Doolittle bandwagon and guess what he has proven....

You do realize Dooley had been here exactly ONE year right or can you count that high? I swear some people should never be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.

Colliervol writes:

in response to kman29:

Have to laugh reading some of these comments about Weis. It all centers around his weight and his success as a head coach at Notre Dame. Well for the gators 1. Who really cares about his weight. 2. Last I checked he is not the head coach at Florida. I was quite certain that his title was offensive cordinator. And Weis's offenses, even at Notre Dame were never an issue. Weis lost at Notre Dame because they could never stop people on defense and his managing skills as a head coach were not good enough to fix that issue. So say what you want about his resume as a head coach in the end he is an assistant and his resume in that category is unmatched.

His belt size and cholesterol count are probably unmatched as well. Charlie is one of those folks that live up to the billing of being "larger than life". He's larger than most things I know of.

Colliervol writes:

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Impossible to know right now. Neither Weis nor Muschamp have ever been a successful head coach. It's a given they'll win at Florida as most trained monkeys should but we shall see if they can win big.

You may look for them to win multiple titles. I do as well. With Charlie leading the way, they will do well in those hot dog eating contests that we see on TV.

DannyVol writes:

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It's all about cycles and your cycle is over. You may not make a bowl this yea...that's no exaggeration.

2Geezy writes:

I think its crazy how fans from other teams flock to a Tennessee Vols site....IDK about you other Vol fans out there, but I don't ever remember going to a Florida or Bama site....SMH its a shame, just a shame.....SMH.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

Year/offensive ranking (nationally)/ppg

2009/24th/30.1

2008/58th/24.7

2007/118th/16.4

2006/22nd/31.0

2005/9th/36.7

http://espn.go.com/college-football/s...

One thing to remember. MANY great OCs/DCs struggle when they have to play the role of coordinator along with head coach. That doesn't mean they are not good, perhaps great coordinators though. Charlie Weis is a really good OC. I don't see how you can argue with his track record. He had a couple of down years on offense at ND, but that was when Clausen was a Frosh/ Soph. The thing is, his entire offense along with his QB was young. Many also conveniently leave out the fact that he actually hired David Cutcliff as an OC when he was hired at ND, but Cut had a heart attack. I'm willing to bet he would have done better as a HC had Cut been up there with him.

On the other hand, he walked right into KC last yr and was great. They led the league in rushing, not to mention Matt Cassel had 27TDs and 5ints in 14 games.

Does he strike fear in me? LOL, NO! HOWEVER, just because I'm a fan of a rival team doesn't mean I'm gonna lie a say this dude isn't one heck of an OC. And the fat jokes are all and well, but they do NOTHING to disprove the man as an OC. This man has a proven track record of IMPROVING QBs and doing so rather quickly. Brantley is a pro-style QB so I'm wondering why folks don't think he's gonna show improvement. Weis will actually simplify things for him. They have the makings to be a really good team on offense.

HOWEVER...what UF fans need to worry about is the same thing happening to Muschamp that happened to Weis and many other coaches. Muschamp is a FANTASTIC DC. Anyone saying different has lost their mind. HOWEVER, as a DC AND HC, we shall see how he does. With all of the pressure and additional responsibilities that come with the HC position, will he be able to coach defense at the level he has been able to in the past? That will be the difference in Fla being alright or being really good IMO. But I think Weis will be fine. JMO

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