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This was a simulation. The actors weren't even actors; they were members of the NCAA enforcement staff.

Yet when about 25 reporters, myself included, converged on the NCAA's headquarters in Indianapolis for the "Enforcement Experience" last week, it all felt so real when the third part of a four-step process, a hearing with the Committee on Infractions, was replicated. It was in the same room where Tennessee administrators, former men's basketball coach Bruce Pearl, former football coach Lane Kiffin and the other various parties associated with the 12 major violations that were levied against the institution in February's Notice of Allegations will go through the real thing next month.

That's because everyone who was acting in the simulation has witnessed a number of these previously secretive hearings. And I was informed by pretty much everyone, NCAA president Mark Emmert included, that they certainly weren't taking poetic license with the theatrics.

"Coach Smith," who was already fired from "State U" and accused of academic fraud and unethical conduct, rocked back and forth in his chair with uneasiness. "Steve Director" and the rest of the mock administrators from State U stuttered and stammered when they tried to come up with responses that would appease the relentless members of the Committee on Infractions - the judge and jury for cases of major NCAA violations.

Voices were raised, stories were examined and cross-examined, lawyers were told to hush up and let their clients speak for themselves and no one could hide behind the Fifth Amendment.

Just imagine how gripping the real thing must be.

It's quite possibly the most entertaining production the NCAA puts on, and no one - outside enforcement officials, members of the COI and the guilty parties involved - gets to see it.

The NCAA provides two valid reasons for why the hearings aren't open to reporters or broadcast on ESPN. Josephine Potuto, a former COI chair who played the part with grit in the simulation, agreed with one of the reasons, but said that was plenty enough to keep the doors closed on this must-see-TV event.

Julie Roe Lach, the NCAA's vice president of enforcement, said it doesn't put the hearings on TV because of "fundamental fairness" to the institutions and other parties involved. It wouldn't be fair to them, Roe Lach said, if the entire process was laid out to the public, resulting inevitably in the formation of negative opinions despite the fact that no actual charges have been levied yet.

Potuto dismissed that reason because real legal proceedings are televised and left open to public interpretation. But, Potuto said, the NCAA would be extremely hindered in how it investigates schools' wrongdoings if it couldn't protect the identities of those who provide on-the-record interviews throughout the course of an investigation.

The NCAA can use off-the-record information from anonymous sources to point it in the right direction of potential violations, but it can't use it as evidence to support its allegations. Therefore, it must land interviews and obtain documents from sources who might be OK with a select few knowing his or her identity, but not the entire country.

It's just one of the many differences between an actual, legal hearing and the ones the NCAA conducts once every two months.

No witnesses are called to the stand. Instead, evidence is gathered through three different channels: questions by the committee members during the hearing, documents provided in advance of the hearing, and documents and information requested by the COI during the hearing.

The NCAA's standard of proof also differs from what is necessary in legal proceedings. "Clear and convincing evidence" is typically enough for charges to stick.

"The burden of proof doesn't mean each piece of evidence has to reach that burden," Potuto said.

The road block that the fifth amendment, which protects witnesses from incriminating themselves with their own testimony, provides in real legal proceedings is non-existent to the NCAA. That made for some entertaining exchanges between Potuto and her colleague Andrea Myers, another former COI member, and the pretend lawyer for Coach Smith during the exercise.

Simulating what likely occurs at an annoyingly high level, Smith's lawyer repeatedly tried to answer questions that were directed specifically at her client. The key word is "tried," as Myers or Potuto would stop her not even 10 words into her sentence and say, with emphasis, "the question was directed at Coach Smith."

It's one of the reasons why about 80 percent of the coaches who appear at a Committee on Infractions hearing end up crying at some point during the proceedings, Myers said.

There's no wiggle room: questions can be answered the easy way or the hard way, but there's no way they'll go unanswered.

That's why UT's hearing, if it were shown to the public, would be so infinitely more entertaining than the already interesting simulation. Instead of two people from the COI throwing haymaker after haymaker in the form of probing, no-nonsense questions, there will be seven or eight doing just that in the real thing. Instead of one coach representing his personal interests against his former institution, there will be six: Pearl, Kiffin, former basketball assistants Tony Jones, Steve Forbes and Jason Shay and former football assistant David Reaves.

That promises for a long day in Indianapolis next month, one that could stretch into two if the COI isn't able to address all 12 of the major violations in one sitting. With each party making its own opening statement, responding to each allegation it is associated with, fielding relentless questions from COI members and presenting its final case in its closing statements, there's no telling how they'll fit everything in to the six-to-eight hour time frame that is typically allotted to COI hearings.

But as we've already learned, UT's violations and the subsequent aftermath were far from typical. It's fitting because what happens behind close doors at NCAA COI hearings is far from typical, too.

Andrew Gribble may be reached at 865-342-6327. Follow him at http://twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble and http://blogs.knoxnews.com/gribble

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Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say turn the drama back about 75% on all these accounts above and that bout closer to the truth. Witch Doctor say Bruce may be 2-5 year ban and we lose some scholarships....not much more than that.
Bones never lie.

BodeaneVol writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say turn the drama back about 75% on all these accounts above and that bout closer to the truth. Witch Doctor say Bruce may be 2-5 year ban and we lose some scholarships....not much more than that.
Bones never lie.

Rumor has it wikileaks has a bug at NCAA hearings...

Pullingguard writes:

Would be unfortunate if UT gets severe penalty because Bruce Pearl told a lie..The truth from him would have resulted in secondary..That said, UT will probably get hammered with loss of scholarships and probably ban on tournament play for 2012/13..
Football, probably a loss of some scholarships.
But, we must all wonder what will be bestowed upon Pearl and Kiffin.. Will be interesting..

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BodeaneVol:

Rumor has it wikileaks has a bug at NCAA hearings...

Witch Doctor wonder why not just go full-tilt and say "Pearl mentioned in Bin Laden memoirs." Witch Doctor say it the silly season....go big! no body will remember next month anyway..lol.
Bones never lie.

stormblast writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor wonder why not just go full-tilt and say "Pearl mentioned in Bin Laden memoirs." Witch Doctor say it the silly season....go big! no body will remember next month anyway..lol.
Bones never lie.

LOL. Roll the dice.

vol49 writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say turn the drama back about 75% on all these accounts above and that bout closer to the truth. Witch Doctor say Bruce may be 2-5 year ban and we lose some scholarships....not much more than that.
Bones never lie.

Let's hope they don't break out the 'enhanced' interogation tactics. Oh nevermind, we all know how fair and impartial the NCAA boys are Witchy.

easleychuck writes:

For what UT did, the punishment should fit the crime and that means what was gained by their violations..........nothing was gained. Pearl lost his job. Kiffin ran out into the night.

TommyJack writes:

Interesting piece, Gribble.

GerryOP writes:

I still have a hard time understanding how one organization can take the role of accuser, investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury.

smokeyvol1 writes:

Does the NCAA use Water Boarding to interogate? I would pay good money to see it happen to Kiffin!!!

CoverOrange writes:

in response to 02champs#209256:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Are you talking to yourself?

All you do is complain about every writer on every article. If you know so much about the sportswriting business go start your own newspaper somewhere and stop complaining on here. I'll give you your first critique: you're repetitive and boring.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say turn the drama back about 75% on all these accounts above and that bout closer to the truth. Witch Doctor say Bruce may be 2-5 year ban and we lose some scholarships....not much more than that.
Bones never lie.

I agree with your assessment except to say that it won't matter how many years BP will be banned because he'll likely never be hired again.

LaneBrains writes:

We've been preparing as well. It's a simple defense. "Monte Did it!" Monte has gotten on in years and his mental capacity had slipped so much that we were all trying to cover for him and his innocent mistakes...AND, it had been decades since he had coached college kids and he just made some simple mistakes that we all had to cover for him... He did take a huge pay cut, he did move to Knoxville to help his family...

AD Hayden bought it, seems to us the NCAA will as well.

Vol43 writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

Are you talking to yourself?

All you do is complain about every writer on every article. If you know so much about the sportswriting business go start your own newspaper somewhere and stop complaining on here. I'll give you your first critique: you're repetitive and boring.

I don't know all about that, but 02champs was funny there. 'What will be, will be'. We'll get thru this just fine and Dooley will take us to the promise land!

OwensboroVol writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

I agree with your assessment except to say that it won't matter how many years BP will be banned because he'll likely never be hired again.

You may be right, its really hard to judge. However, I believe that if Bruce is not banned at all, he will be coaching somewhere this fall. It would be interesting to see.

OwensboroVol writes:

My mind has been playing games on me since these problems were announced last year. My Brain and Gut tell me that at least the Basketball Program gets nailed with everything except the Kitchen Sink and the Football Program gets hit very lightly. For what its worth, I feel that Kiffin should get the banned punishment but not Bruce Pearl. I believe that when the rule broken is Secondary then no matter if the Coach lied about it, the punishment should not be more severe than the punishment for the original infraction. I know a lot of you will disagree with me on this, but you wouldn't give someone lethal injection because he lied about a parking ticket. I don't mind saying that I think that UT should have kept Bruce Pearl and fought it out with the NCAA. He did great things at Tennessee (Elite Eight, Graduated more players, Beat Memphis at Memphis, a No. 1 ranking, ETC. He was good enough of a coach to have eaten the penalties.

Stokes44yrs writes:

1. Don't go near the NCAA police.
2. Don't go near any high school kids
3. don't have any bbq's
4. don't win and make people mad.
5. do not under any circumstances be a coach
6. don't be bad
7. don't steal recruits
8. don't commit adultery
9. don't use phones
10. don't bow before any other organiztions than NCAA.
Be sure your goofs will find you out!!

Stokes44yrs writes:

in response to OwensboroVol:

My mind has been playing games on me since these problems were announced last year. My Brain and Gut tell me that at least the Basketball Program gets nailed with everything except the Kitchen Sink and the Football Program gets hit very lightly. For what its worth, I feel that Kiffin should get the banned punishment but not Bruce Pearl. I believe that when the rule broken is Secondary then no matter if the Coach lied about it, the punishment should not be more severe than the punishment for the original infraction. I know a lot of you will disagree with me on this, but you wouldn't give someone lethal injection because he lied about a parking ticket. I don't mind saying that I think that UT should have kept Bruce Pearl and fought it out with the NCAA. He did great things at Tennessee (Elite Eight, Graduated more players, Beat Memphis at Memphis, a No. 1 ranking, ETC. He was good enough of a coach to have eaten the penalties.

Every one knows that Pearl should NOT have lied. But except for some posters they also wanted to let him remain on a trial period basis. I think he lied intentionally but I also believe he regretted it (for what ever reason). Unfortunaltely lying is not that uncommon in the working world. My first post after it came out I too was angry and posted a holier than thou type post but since then I've taken up for Pearl. Not because he's innocent but because he is a good coach and as decent a person as most in his field(who knows). He DID bring basketball back to Tennessee.

allvol32 writes:

Sorry for the repost but there were two NCAA "Enforcement Experience" related articles today and my post is relevant for both:

allvol32 writes:

Did the sordid Cam Newton affair come up at the "Enforcement Experience"? The NCAA has ABSOLUTELY no credibility after that travesty. They can do all the "Experiences" that they want to but they are still as much of a charade (albeit one with teeth) as any organization could possibly be.

iowavol writes:

This will fall on the head of Hamilton for not monitoring enough - he is the only common denominator. Hopefully at that point he will finally be fired.

Pearl will be slapped, but he will be back, he's a good coach and very good citizen. He made a mistake, owned up to it, and will take his medicine. Does the NCAA really want to send the inevitable message to the professional coaching world that it's better to lie and coverup (a la Calhoun) versus coming clean? Doubtful.

Kiffin is too slick to be damaged in any of this. Southern Cal has his back, too much money out of the region of the country supporting the NCAA.

UT has a black eye for a couple of years. Not much more than that.

GardenGnome writes:

I can truly see Bruce Pearl stepping in at Kentucky in two or three years after Calipari leaves Lexington under a cloud of suspicion the same way he's left every program.

What will be interesting is seeing what happens to Jim Tressel at Ohio State. What he did was far worse than what Pearl is accused of.

The NCAA is a bunch of greedy hypocrites.

Ringleader writes:

UT should do like the Fiesta Bowl........offer to pay a million dollar fine, and everything goes away.......

crimsonviper writes:

in response to GerryOP:

I still have a hard time understanding how one organization can take the role of accuser, investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury.

I don't understand either...My wife has be doing it for 10 years.

vol49 writes:

in response to crimsonviper:

I don't understand either...My wife has be doing it for 10 years.

LOL! Good one Viper!

richvol writes:

in response to easleychuck:

For what UT did, the punishment should fit the crime and that means what was gained by their violations..........nothing was gained. Pearl lost his job. Kiffin ran out into the night.

Agree somewhat...that should measure into the punishment. A great example would be Auburn and how they benefitted from Cam Newton.

GerryOP writes:

in response to crimsonviper:

I don't understand either...My wife has be doing it for 10 years.

Just like the NCAA, you can't cancel your membership.

Kybasser writes:

in response to GardenGnome:

I can truly see Bruce Pearl stepping in at Kentucky in two or three years after Calipari leaves Lexington under a cloud of suspicion the same way he's left every program.

What will be interesting is seeing what happens to Jim Tressel at Ohio State. What he did was far worse than what Pearl is accused of.

The NCAA is a bunch of greedy hypocrites.

I started to refer to you as GG, GardenGnome, then I read that, and thought of Smith!! Sorry about that. Hey, I lobbied for Coach Pearl to come to UK a long time ago. I really like him at USI in Evansville, I liked him up in Wisconsin at the small school, but the ncaa has to hold him to at least the same expectations they hold students to. Look at what they did to Dez Bryant!! How could BP not have recognized his own kitchen in the picture??? Come on. I loved how he kept the UK/UT rivalry a rivalry. He kept UT competitive, and in time, I think he would have brought them a title. He screwed the pooch so to speak though, and he should be held accountable. I am hoping that Coach Martin will be able to maintain UT's high basketball performance, and I hope he will be given enough rope to get through the mess that BP left him. Also, I'm sorry, but Pearl's son, steven?? He played like he was on the football team more than the basektball team. I still believe basketball is supposed to be a non-contact sport!!!

Good luck to the Vols program. I do hope the enforcement committee will go after the ones who committed the violations rather than the school itself.

crockett1836 writes:

So there's a hearing against an institution that's using former members of that institution? That should be fair and balanced. The opportunity to incriminate the organization in order to save your own future might be hard to pass up. "So, Mr. Coach, you implemented these recruiting practices on your own accord?" "No sir, I was instructed by Mike Hamilton, implicitly." I wonder if the mafia will actually be at the proceedings or if they'll just phone in? Good grief the NCAA is full of it.

WhiteHotBleedOrange writes:

Waterboard Kiffin!!

halloffamebowler writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

Are you talking to yourself?

All you do is complain about every writer on every article. If you know so much about the sportswriting business go start your own newspaper somewhere and stop complaining on here. I'll give you your first critique: you're repetitive and boring.

Well said.

Merv writes:

This is an informative article.

We need to resist the logic that BP had a winning record, and so he's a good guy, and so what he did wasn't so bad. Like them or not, college athletics wouldn't exist without an organization like the NCAA. And that sort of organization can't exist without the ability to impose strong punishments on those who lie to it.

We all agree that UT's best argument is that BP came clean and that UT acted to punish him. The NCAA must decide (a) whether their contrition was genuine, and as Iowavol suggests, (b) what message it wants to send to coaches about the wisdom of coming clean.

snoopbob87 writes:

The logic of NCAA punishment defies reason. They penalize loyal fans who had nothing to do with the infractions. Those who just enjoy young men and women competing for their favorite college, color, tradition, by the hundreds of thousands, are left to suffer for the common mistakes of a few. I will not throw stones at coaches or players who make mistakes against NCAA rules which set them up to fail.

carbonzip writes:

Punish the coaches and individual players who violate the rules, not the whole program. Look at the NCAA's actions against SMU. They destroyed the Southwest conference as well as SMU sports.

huntined#565710 writes:

Don't know about all the changes with the NCAA but in the past it seems the penalty was not as bad as it was feared it would be but also was not as good as you hoped it would be..
Let's just hope it has not changed too much..

murrayvol writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

I agree with your assessment except to say that it won't matter how many years BP will be banned because he'll likely never be hired again.

He'll be hired again....as soon as the "show cause" expires.

Juzkruzin writes:

Lets hire Team 6 of the SEALS and raid the place and get the evidence. Shoot anyone who says you cannot have that, then get the CIA to analyze it and see if it was CP or CCalibration that did this and used a pron movie to send secrets to the NCAA, because everyone knows he is a rat and that is how he gets away with the violations he comments. If any UT Coach had paid a signee rent his senior year of high school so he could move out of his parents house they would be under the jail. Calibratior didn't even have to answer this violation to the NCAA. Guess the sources that gave the info was third party and unrealiable even tho he got his mail at the apt. Some do it once and get hammered while others do it yearly and get away with with it. I bet if we "waterboard" oh excuse me use enhance measures he would fess up for UK and Memphis!!

VolinCalif writes:

in response to crimsonviper:

I don't understand either...My wife has be doing it for 10 years.

Ten years! Poo! Try 56 years! And believe me it gets worse after the wives past that time of life. Just ask the Witch Doctor.

GardenGnome writes:

in response to Kybasser:

I started to refer to you as GG, GardenGnome, then I read that, and thought of Smith!! Sorry about that. Hey, I lobbied for Coach Pearl to come to UK a long time ago. I really like him at USI in Evansville, I liked him up in Wisconsin at the small school, but the ncaa has to hold him to at least the same expectations they hold students to. Look at what they did to Dez Bryant!! How could BP not have recognized his own kitchen in the picture??? Come on. I loved how he kept the UK/UT rivalry a rivalry. He kept UT competitive, and in time, I think he would have brought them a title. He screwed the pooch so to speak though, and he should be held accountable. I am hoping that Coach Martin will be able to maintain UT's high basketball performance, and I hope he will be given enough rope to get through the mess that BP left him. Also, I'm sorry, but Pearl's son, steven?? He played like he was on the football team more than the basektball team. I still believe basketball is supposed to be a non-contact sport!!!

Good luck to the Vols program. I do hope the enforcement committee will go after the ones who committed the violations rather than the school itself.

I couldn't agree more with your post. BP is a likable, charismatic guy. I hope he makes better choices at his next job. You can't keep a guy like that down for long.

...and yeah, Steven is a goon, but plays some good defense.

Thanks for your well wishes for the Vols. College sports needs more fans like you.

pj_ladyvolnMI writes:

Andrew, could you please tell us the times of the hearings on Friday and Saturday? Indy-based Vol fans may want to don our orange show our support outside the NCAA building.

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